Canadian Sisters Found Dead In Thai Resort

[Jaivin2011]

Wow, just reading all the postings......I am so so soruprised to find that they are a lot of forensic and medical specialists among TV members and so many professionals! Wow,

Anyway, on another note.......despite whatever happens and even how bad foreigners are treated here and and no matter how many high-profile cases appears in the international media........the influx of trash toursist and expats to this country will never cease if not increase in numbers. Amazing! And the Thais know this secret!

[krisb]

Sounds like poisoning. It must have been a quick onset if neither of them could call for help. This is when Canadian investigators need to work with Thai police rather than just let Thai cops look after the case. RIP. so so sad.

[GentlemanJim]

Interesting, looking at the hotel on Agoda, the first customer review on the first page is

Everything is good except for bedbugs, hence the bites and lack of sleep. Disappointing that a mid range hotel have bed bugs like that..

Now wasn't the issue with the deaths at the Downtown inn, Chang Mai something to do (potentially) with the fact that the mattresses had been treated for bedbug infestation, by using some extremely toxic chemical.

The link for the Phi phi palms residence is here

http://www.agoda.com..._residence.html

It would be interesting to know if the lady who did the review on Agoda complained to the hotel Her review was dated 6 june. Maybe the beds had been treated and some people are still using very toxic pesticides to get rid of bedbug infestations.

To my mind this has to be environmental and this information could well be a good clue to those investigating.

Of course the room was sealed and a team of forensic experts are already on scene collecting evidence. What do you mean they are not there yet and their ETA is two weeks.

I don't understand what you mean with the statement I have put in bold. I have not said anything concerning this in my post?

[Soupdragon]

Interesting, looking at the hotel on Agoda, the first customer review on the first page is

Everything is good except for bedbugs, hence the bites and lack of sleep. Disappointing that a mid range hotel have bed bugs like that..

Now wasn't the issue with the deaths at the Downtown inn, Chang Mai something to do (potentially) with the fact that the mattresses had been treated for bedbug infestation, by using some extremely toxic chemical.

The link for the Phi phi palms residence is here

http://www.agoda.com..._residence.html

It would be interesting to know if the lady who did the review on Agoda complained to the hotel Her review was dated 6 june. Maybe the beds had been treated and some people are still using very toxic pesticides to get rid of bedbug infestations.

To my mind this has to be environmental and this information could well be a good clue to those investigating.

Of course the room was sealed and a team of forensic experts are already on scene collecting evidence. What do you mean they are not there yet and their ETA is two weeks.

I don't understand what you mean with the statement I have put in bold. I have not said anything concerning this in my post?

Apologies Jim I wasn't suggesting you said that. I lived on PP for three years and that comment merely reflected how things happen over there.

[w11guy]

What strikes me as odd is that neither girl asked for help. I know that they must have been extremely ill, but even opening their bedroom door would have alerted someone. I'm sure an autopsy will discover the cause of death.

And don't forget that cases such as these are quite rare, which is why they catch our attention. Someone earlier gave a list of deaths in Thailand this year, but most of the deaths are due to accidents are people hanging out in dangerous areas. Of course, if you hang around with prostitutes, pimps, drug dealers and all the low-life types that are attracted to the scene, then bad things will happen. That is the case in all countries. And many deaths by accident involve foreigners driving and riding a motorbike without a helmet. That is their fault not the fault of the Thai people.

This case is tragic and is already being investigated, so let's wait for the result before speculating too much.

Edited June 17, 2012 by w11guy

[ginjag]

W11guy---You put "the cause of death" I agree should be, BUT here it will read A cause of death ??

[ttelise]

I am going to go out on a limb here, and state that whatever happened to these girls, you will NOT EVER see a screaming headline next month that says they were farang tourists poisoned in the land of smiles. This will go the way of every other mysterious death like this, never really solved and then swept away under the rug Thai style. In the real world a toxicological examination of the body would solve this case instantly. This will never happen here, and toxins will only be alluded to. What incredible pain for the families.......

Experts from all around the world participated in the Chiang Mai Downtown Inn investigation and they were not able to reach a conclusive decision.

Ruse. When were they called in. Destruction/spoliation of evidence if not done contemporaneous with or immediately after problem and after Thai investigators had their hands all over everything.

[Gonzo the Face]

Not being an expert in any of the possible suggested causes of these deaths, but maybe as one with hopefully a bit of common sense. I have just re read 8+ pages of postings and I have some questions.

The girls checked in on Tuesday

Not known if they were seen on Wednesday

Maid service knocks on Thursday

Bodies found mid-day on Friday

..... is something amiss here...????

Bodies discovered mid-day Friday [which to me would be around noon]

Police are notified of two dead bodies at 9PM.... ????

......is something amiss here...????

Why the maybe 9 hrs time lag.....

....time for room clean up ???

....time for borrowing never to be missed items...???

....time to create the in country inevitable 'excuse as to why its not my fault' and of course get everyone on the same story.

This is again a shocker and I do hope and pray that the parents find strength and solace in getting through and with some factual answers

RIP little ones

G

[stevenl]

Not being an expert in any of the possible suggested causes of these deaths, but maybe as one with hopefully a bit of common sense. I have just re read 8+ pages of postings and I have some questions.

The girls checked in on Tuesday

Not known if they were seen on Wednesday

Maid service knocks on Thursday

Bodies found mid-day on Friday

..... is something amiss here...????

Bodies discovered mid-day Friday [which to me would be around noon]

Police are notified of two dead bodies at 9PM.... ????

......is something amiss here...????

Why the maybe 9 hrs time lag.....

....time for room clean up ???

....time for borrowing never to be missed items...???

....time to create the in country inevitable 'excuse as to why its not my fault' and of course get everyone on the same story.

This is again a shocker and I do hope and pray that the parents find strength and solace in getting through and with some factual answers

RIP little ones

G

Why do people construct events their way and then come up with the explanation that fits their timeline?

Stick to the facts.

[EyesWideOpen]

Wow, just reading all the postings......I am so so soruprised to find that they are a lot of forensic and medical specialists among TV members and so many professionals! Wow,

Anyway, on another note.......despite whatever happens and even how bad foreigners are treated here and and no matter how many high-profile cases appears in the international media........the influx of trash toursist and expats to this country will never cease if not increase in numbers. Amazing! And the Thais know this secret!

Not sure about the amount of forensic specialists here on TV, but I think this case is similar to the case in Chiang Mai. Meaning it falls under the process of simple deduction. In that case when the first couple of people died, the Thai " authorities" sort of explained it away with bizarre reasons. Then when five more people died in the same circumstances they had a harder time with the bizarre reasons...... And regarding another post who said foreign experts had come to Chiang Mai to work out the cause of death, I believe the bodies were long gone, and the experts were presented with whatever evidence the Thai police gave them. Also in that case the police were protecting a powerful Thai owner of the hotel.

Regarding the influx of tourists here, i agree . I call it the roadside diner method of business. You have a diner on a busy highway. A person stops by and eats. After finishing he declares it the worst meal he ever had, throws his money down, glares at the waitress, and storms out the door. Then a minute later a new customer sits down in the same seat and orders. Meaning Thailand has such natural resources including stunning women , that people will always come here. It would take the poisoning of hundreds of tourists and travel bans by outside countries to stop this influx here. Thailand fully knows this, therefor can adapt a sort of shoulder shrug to incidents like this one, so no need to really solve it. And in my opinion there will be no team of international forensics experts flown in to perform an autopsy..........

Edited June 17, 2012 by EyesWideOpen

[stevenl]

Not sure about the amount of forensic specialists here on TV, but I think this case is similar to the case in Chiang Mai.

The only similarities I see are that people died and there might be a connection with a hotel room.

[Grumbles]

The deaths of these two young girls is very sad. As a father myself I can only imagine what the poor parents must be feeling.

What really pisses me off though is the doomsayers whineging about "another death in LOS" etc. If Thailand is so bad why don't these miserable f#$@s go home.

As no results have been published yet, no one knows how they died.

As I tell my kids when they come over, it's not the same as home, all the regulations and safety precautions at home don't exist here. You have to be awake and aware.

Chemicals are sprayed around and left with the tops off, the road rules are non existant, food hygiene standards are very lax. If you are aware of these things and take care you have a chance to survive. If you are unaware you could have a serious problem.

Maybe some of these deaths are caused by the unfortunate victims unknowingly contributing to their own deaths.

As for the murders and beatings some falangs invite trouble. The Thai criminal/violent element definitely exists, but every country has this element and if you go into their territory you get what you ask for.

I like Thailand and find the Thais in general to be quite friendly. There are Thais who don't like foreigners, but there are people in Australia who don't like Asians.

[FarangBuddha]

Am I the only person who thinks it is very strange that so many tourists die in Thailand?

I have not kept a count but we are certainly talking of dozens of deaths this year already, some accidents, some murders, many not fully explained or in very dubious circumstances. From the description of the room these 2 poor girls suffered a nasty end, we can only hope the police do a proper job of the forensics and investigation.

Maybe. Thailand now receives almost 20M tourists a year. In any random sample population of 20M people, what percentage would be expected to die of natural [illness/disease] and un-natural [accidents] causes in a year. The CIA World Fact Book (per Wikipedia) states a crude death rate per year of 8.37 per 1000 population. Therefore, if Thailand receives 20M visitors a year, over 167,000 of these visitors can be expected to die at some point of natural/unnatural causes during the year. I am no statistician, but many of these deaths in this population will occur while they are in Thailand.

So no, I don't think there is anything out of the ordinary about the number of tourist (or other farang deaths) that occur in Thailand in any given year. Of course, it is a tragedy to the families involved in specific deaths and to them I'm sure most would extend their condolences.

[Curt1591]

Not sure about the amount of forensic specialists here on TV, but I think this case is similar to the case in Chiang Mai. Meaning it falls under the process of simple deduction. In that case when the first couple of people died, the Thai " authorities" sort of explained it away with bizarre reasons. Then when five more people died in the same circumstances they had a harder time with the bizarre reasons......

About the most "bizarre reason" for an explanation of the Chiangmai victims IS the "overzealous use of pesticide" angle. The Chiangmai deaths would be about the first cases of fatal inhalation of such chemicals. All fatalities that I have been able to find have been from deliberate ingestion for the purpose of suicide. The top toxicologist from New Zealand said that such deaths would be almost impossible.

But, it worked well to "explain away" Mr. Carter and make the story die down.

[gamini]

How terrible, my thoughts are with the parents. I was at a funeral only 2 days ago of the eldest son of a long standing friend. He was 37.

I kept a log for a while earlier this year of attacks or and/or deaths of foreigners in Thailand up to May 11 when I stopped recording. (see below). There may well have been others of which I was not aware during that time.

What a horrible way to die, the girls would know they were very sick. You know you are very ill when you vomit and are incapable of doing anything to clean up the mess.

Why didn't they call reception and ask for a doctor before they got too bad?

If its from something they've eaten, surely other people will have eaten the same stuff from the same place?

It does sound a very nasty poisin, maybe was targeted only to them intentionally?

1 Feb.Phuket. 4 young Swedes + Thai driver killed. Fish truck hit Honda car head on.

6 Feb. Pattaya Suicide? fall from Condo . Naked wealthy Austrian Red Bull boss.

12 Feb. Bangkok. Wendy Albano American designer stabbed & choked to death in hotel room.

22 Feb.Phuket Pregnant teenage Australian female beaten up and items stolen by 4 Ladyboys.

28 Feb Phuket Lara O'Connell Oz model killed. drove m/cycle into food stall 3.30am no helmet

4 March Phuket Mini bus/fish pick up truck crash. 4 tourists dead, 5 injured.

7 March Phuket Russian man electrocuted at Dewa Karon Beach Resortswimming pool. (bridge railing live)

7 March Phuket Finnish man killed in m/bike accident

8 March Kantharalak 60 yr old Sewdish male hit from behind by pickup whilst on m/bike. fatal

13 March Prachuap Khiri Khan Brit guy & Thai wife Michael Raymond, 68 and Suchada Baokhamdee, 52 found murdered

28 March Krabi town. 2 young German girls attacked. phones etc stolen. Trying to resist, 1 has thumb cut off.

01 April Bangkok. 30 yr old farang found hanged on roof of abondoned 32 storey building on Bang Na - Trat Rd.

02 April Phuket 66 yr old Ruissian male tourist found hanged from a tree

09 April Bangkok Khao San Rd. French tourist Charlie 26 dies in fire.

10 April Chonburi Rin Island in Sattahip district 41 yrs Russian male drowns diving. suspectected drunk alcohol

19 April Pattaya Soi 8 Mr. Michael Golop, 66 years of age shot & injured at random along with 2 young Thais.

11 May North of Phuket. National Park. Taiwanese airline pilot killed in longtail boat accident

OK so what do we have here, like 24 deaths in 5 months? Let's be generous and say 120 tourists die by accidents and crime in one year. Then let's say the 16,000,000 tourists in 2011 is exaggerated, we can shave off 4 million and call it 12,000,000 per year. 120 out of 12,000,000, is around 1/100th of a percent. Seems pretty safe to me... get a life, folks.

This is faulty reasoning. Most of these deaths take place in Pattaya or Phuket. The rest of the country on average is pretty safe.

[allan michaud]

Come on folks - a little perspective. It's a big world with lots of nasty people and tragic events. Google "tourists die" and you'll come up with 29million hits. People die under tragic circumstances all over the world. For those of you who want to blame Thailand, as one paranoid poster put it "a hub of death" go home and hide under you bed, you'll be safer there.

My condolences to the family during this tragic time and to the sisters - RIP.

Here in Cambodia where I have lived for the past 12 years the number of deaths of foreigners each year can be counted on 1 hand. The occasional drug overdose, we had a couple of machete murders a few years back, but it's very rare. Why is it Thailand seems to have farang deaths on almost a daily basis? I realise there are far more farangs in Thailand than Cambodia but still it seems very excessive.

[EyesWideOpen]

I waited before posting as a number of "facts" being presented just did not sound right. The rule of thumb with events like this is that initial "facts" are unreliable and will change with time. Sure enough, more reliable information has been released. The skin condition referred to as "lesions" is apparently the result of natural decomposition on a rash. A rash occurs when the skin comes in contact with an irritant and it requires time to develop. The rule of thumb is 24-48 hours for a rash to have full onset. A rash and lesions are very different.

I suggest that people do not speculate lest they be embarrassed.

As for the people claiming conspiracies and danger, I direct their attention to the alleged rape that was exposed this week on Phuket. The Australian woman has confesed to a hoax. Always wait for the facts to be established before passing judgement. In Thailand, initial news crime or castrophe event reports are rarely reliable.

How about the police opinion ??

"Lt Col Rat Somboon of Krabi Provincial Police told the Gazette that officers at the scene believed that the women had died about 12 hours before their bodies were found.

Police suspect poisoning he said.

Edited June 17, 2012 by EyesWideOpen

[TinoThailand]

"They had skin lesions and it seemed that they had bled from the gums. Also, their fingernails and toenails were blue"

It sounds like the symptoms of a diving accident. isn't it ?

Must dive pretty deep then i think and you would colapse faster maybe not later in your room?

Vomit? No I think the police is guesing right.

[BirdsandBooze]

The Land of Smiles is a carefully crafted image formulated by the tourist industry. Like any country it has it`s good but also it`s fair share of bad.

[EyesWideOpen]

The deaths of these two young girls is very sad. As a father myself I can only imagine what the poor parents must be feeling.

What really pisses me off though is the doomsayers whineging about "another death in LOS" etc. If Thailand is so bad why don't these miserable f#$@s go home.

As no results have been published yet, no one knows how they died.

As I tell my kids when they come over, it's not the same as home, all the regulations and safety precautions at home don't exist here. You have to be awake and aware.

Chemicals are sprayed around and left with the tops off, the road rules are non existant, food hygiene standards are very lax. If you are aware of these things and take care you have a chance to survive. If you are unaware you could have a serious problem.

Maybe some of these deaths are caused by the unfortunate victims unknowingly contributing to their own deaths.

As for the murders and beatings some falangs invite trouble. The Thai criminal/violent element definitely exists, but every country has this element and if you go into their territory you get what you ask for.

I like Thailand and find the Thais in general to be quite friendly. There are Thais who don't like foreigners, but there are people in Australia who don't like Asians.

I find this post insulting to the two dead girls. Are you somehow implying they contributed to their own death by coming to Thailand and checking into a small hotel on a resort island ??

This is taking being an apologist to a new low... :-(

Regarding the lack of knowledge of the endless dangers here, if foreign governments warned all their outbound tourists of these dangers, the Thai embassy would scream bloody murder..

Regarding your statement that nobody knows how they died, that is not really correct. The Thai police have already stated they believe it to be poison...

[TinoThailand]

"The deaths of these two women follow an American and two Norwegian tourists dying of suspected poisoning after staying at 'The Laleena guesthouse’ on Phi Phi Island in 2009."

Hope they not end up suspecting again... It's really not that hard to find out the case mostly, and also who was working cooking, cleaning and serving.

If they died 12 hours ago like they said they died very slowly and in a horrible way

RIP Sisters

[LarryBird]

What I don't get, is why people are always saying 'it's the same as in....'

It's NOT!!

Prime example.. There's LITTER all over the place in this country.. If someone mentions that, some genius on this forum will mention that sometimes people litter in farangville as well!! Sure, it's true it happens in both places, but at DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT RATES..

Now, in a country where the police have a different idea of their job description, crimes often go unpunished/blamed on the wrong person, do you really think that crimes occur at the same rate as in a place where law enforcement tends to do their job, and the courts, try to deliver justice???

Another example of something just from observation.. I think for the most part, Thai youth don't partake in as much idleminded mischievousness as farang youth.. Less vandalism, etc..

[Gonzo the Face]

Not being an expert in any of the possible suggested causes of these deaths, but maybe as one with hopefully a bit of common sense. I have just re read 8+ pages of postings and I have some questions.

The girls checked in on Tuesday

Not known if they were seen on Wednesday

Maid service knocks on Thursday

Bodies found mid-day on Friday

..... is something amiss here...????

Bodies discovered mid-day Friday [which to me would be around noon]

Police are notified of two dead bodies at 9PM.... ????

......is something amiss here...????

Why the maybe 9 hrs time lag.....

....time for room clean up ???

....time for borrowing never to be missed items...???

....time to create the in country inevitable 'excuse as to why its not my fault' and of course get everyone on the same story.

This is again a shocker and I do hope and pray that the parents find strength and solace in getting through and with some factual answers

RIP little ones

G

Why do people construct events their way and then come up with the explanation that fits their timeline?

Stick to the facts.

In answer to your banal question...... its because some people have brains and others just post without any reading comprehension.

If you take the time to read the newspaper articles, you will read that each of the facts above is taken from the articles.

Not that you would know, but to someone who is able to think, it does make some questions arise from which one would try and determine what actually could have happened... as between PP and CM , it seems to be another similar repeated event.

[stevenl]

The deaths of these two young girls is very sad. As a father myself I can only imagine what the poor parents must be feeling.

What really pisses me off though is the doomsayers whineging about "another death in LOS" etc. If Thailand is so bad why don't these miserable f#$@s go home.

As no results have been published yet, no one knows how they died.

As I tell my kids when they come over, it's not the same as home, all the regulations and safety precautions at home don't exist here. You have to be awake and aware.

Chemicals are sprayed around and left with the tops off, the road rules are non existant, food hygiene standards are very lax. If you are aware of these things and take care you have a chance to survive. If you are unaware you could have a serious problem.

Maybe some of these deaths are caused by the unfortunate victims unknowingly contributing to their own deaths.

As for the murders and beatings some falangs invite trouble. The Thai criminal/violent element definitely exists, but every country has this element and if you go into their territory you get what you ask for.

I like Thailand and find the Thais in general to be quite friendly. There are Thais who don't like foreigners, but there are people in Australia who don't like Asians.

I find this post insulting to the two dead girls. Are you somehow implying they contributed to their own death by coming to Thailand and checking into a small hotel on a resort island ??

This is taking being an apologist to a new low... :-(

Regarding the lack of knowledge of the endless dangers here, if foreign governments warned all their outbound tourists of these dangers, the Thai embassy would scream bloody murder..

Regarding your statement that nobody knows how they died, that is not really correct. The Thai police have already stated they believe it to be poison...

Maybe you'd better reread both what Grumbles and the Thai police have said. But then again, not much point probably, we all read things the way we want to read them.

[LarryBird]

Come on folks - a little perspective. It's a big world with lots of nasty people and tragic events. Google "tourists die" and you'll come up with 29million hits. People die under tragic circumstances all over the world. For those of you who want to blame Thailand, as one paranoid poster put it "a hub of death" go home and hide under you bed, you'll be safer there.

My condolences to the family during this tragic time and to the sisters - RIP.

Here in Cambodia where I have lived for the past 12 years the number of deaths of foreigners each year can be counted on 1 hand. The occasional drug overdose, we had a couple of machete murders a few years back, but it's very rare. Why is it Thailand seems to have farang deaths on almost a daily basis? I realise there are far more farangs in Thailand than Cambodia but still it seems very excessive.

It's all the same, bro! 1 death, 200 deaths, 5,000 deaths.. Since farang have died in Cambodia, and farang have died in Thailand, that means the two places are equal.

All those crazy farang jumping off buildings in Phuket and Pattaya. .. That's because there's a big magnet in those two places which attracts depressed people. It has nothing to do with the sleaze that's around those areas.

[stevenl]

Not being an expert in any of the possible suggested causes of these deaths, but maybe as one with hopefully a bit of common sense. I have just re read 8+ pages of postings and I have some questions.

The girls checked in on Tuesday

Not known if they were seen on Wednesday

Maid service knocks on Thursday

Bodies found mid-day on Friday

..... is something amiss here...????

Bodies discovered mid-day Friday [which to me would be around noon]

Police are notified of two dead bodies at 9PM.... ????

......is something amiss here...????

Why the maybe 9 hrs time lag.....

....time for room clean up ???

....time for borrowing never to be missed items...???

....time to create the in country inevitable 'excuse as to why its not my fault' and of course get everyone on the same story.

This is again a shocker and I do hope and pray that the parents find strength and solace in getting through and with some factual answers

RIP little ones

G

Why do people construct events their way and then come up with the explanation that fits their timeline?

Stick to the facts.

In answer to your banal question...... its because some people have brains and others just post without any reading comprehension.

If you take the time to read the newspaper articles, you will read that each of the facts above is taken from the articles.

Not that you would know, but to someone who is able to think, it does make some questions arise from which one would try and determine what actually could have happened... as between PP and CM , it seems to be another similar repeated event.

So you're trusting Thai papers and other sources reporting the exact facts, including a timeline that is correct?

Plus 'which to me would be around noon' is not exactly a hard fact.

Edited June 17, 2012 by stevenl

[Suradit69]

Come on folks - a little perspective. It's a big world with lots of nasty people and tragic events. Google "tourists die" and you'll come up with 29million hits. People die under tragic circumstances all over the world. For those of you who want to blame Thailand, as one paranoid poster put it "a hub of death" go home and hide under you bed, you'll be safer there.

My condolences to the family during this tragic time and to the sisters - RIP.

These threads involving deaths of foreigners certainly seem to bring out a strange subset of ThaiVisa members. All the conspiracy theorists and barstool poison experts and keepers of death statistics seem to live in a very dark world where storms of paranoia rage continually.

Of course when it turns out, as is often the case, that a crime is farang on farang violence, they seem to be too busy to post.

Seriously, if you are that unhappy here or feel threatened, why not go live elsewhere? Statistically life in Belgium sounds pretty idyllic, despite the opposite view of someone who lived there.Of course, the cloud of doom & gloom will probably emigrate with you.

[Kilgore Trout]

If the average Thai in the street only knew what the world thinks they would hang their collective heads in shame.

No they wouldn't, they would just direct their anger towards them; remember; visitors who come to Thailand should admire Thais, not insult them.

[Gonzo the Face]

Not being an expert in any of the possible suggested causes of these deaths, but maybe as one with hopefully a bit of common sense. I have just re read 8+ pages of postings and I have some questions.

The girls checked in on Tuesday

Not known if they were seen on Wednesday

Maid service knocks on Thursday

Bodies found mid-day on Friday

..... is something amiss here...????

Bodies discovered mid-day Friday [which to me would be around noon]

Police are notified of two dead bodies at 9PM.... ????

......is something amiss here...????

Why the maybe 9 hrs time lag.....

....time for room clean up ???

....time for borrowing never to be missed items...???

....time to create the in country inevitable 'excuse as to why its not my fault' and of course get everyone on the same story.

This is again a shocker and I do hope and pray that the parents find strength and solace in getting through and with some factual answers

RIP little ones

G

Why do people construct events their way and then come up with the explanation that fits their timeline?

Stick to the facts.

In answer to your banal question...... its because some people have brains and others just post without any reading comprehension.

If you take the time to read the newspaper articles, you will read that each of the facts above is taken from the articles.

Not that you would know, but to someone who is able to think, it does make some questions arise from which one would try and determine what actually could have happened... as between PP and CM , it seems to be another similar repeated event.

So you're trusting Thai papers and other sources reporting the exact facts, including a timeline that is correct?

Plus 'which to me would be around noon' is not exactly a hard fact.

No , did not say noon was a hard fact, but ask 10 people what approximate time is mid day to them..... guess what..... It does say the police were notified at about 9PM.... So whatever time the bodies were discovered, do you not think that there is a large time lag from your mid day?

Cute baby...... I hope what you have is not contagious.

[george]

UPDATE:

Poisoning suspected after Quebec sisters found dead in Thailand hotel room

MONTREAL - The two Quebec sisters found dead Thursday night in a Thailand hotel room were well-known and popular in their hometown of Pohenegamook, a rural area of 3,000 near the Maine border, the local mayor said.

Sisters Audrey and Noemi Belanger, 20 and 25, were victims of an apparent poisoning at the southern Thai resort of Phi Phi Island, Thai police say.

"They were two brilliant young girls, very involved in the community," Mayor Louise Labonte said Saturday.

She said they were always active in town events and worked in a grocery store owned by their father, Carl.

She said the sisters attended the local high school, Ecole secondaire du Transcontinental, where Labonte was a librarian. The school has about 250 students.

The young women were studying at Universite Laval.

Claudette Levasseur, a waitress at Restaurant du Moulin, said Noemi had worked for her when she was in charge of the municipal beach.

"She was always smiling, in good humour. They were both energetic, helpful. Everyone here is shaken. It's given us all a chill."

The Belanger sisters were found in their room by a hotel maid. Both had a mysterious rash and discoloured nails.

The deaths evoke two similar and unsolved deaths three years ago on the same resort island where two women, an American and a Norwegian, were found poisoned in their adjoining rooms. There were signs of vomiting. Their companions also became ill but survived.

The island is a popular holiday spot for young people where bars stay open until dawn and binge drinking out of "buckets" is said to be a popular pastime.

Claude Rochon of the foreign affairs media office in Ottawa refused to disclose any information other than to say, "our thoughts are with the family and friends of the Canadian citizens who passed away in Thailand."

She added that "Canadian consular officials in Bangkok are providing consular assistance to the family and are in contact with local authorities."

According to the Thai newspaper Phuket Gazette, the sisters checked into the hotel Tuesday.

They planned to stay only one night but later asked to extend their visit through Wednesday night.

The paper quotes one Thai police officer saying that the sisters arrived at the hotel Tuesday and "went out and came back to their room that same night, but stayed in their room all day on Wednesday."

The sisters were found Thursday after a maid became concerned that they were not responding to her knocks.

"A maid knocked on the door to clean the room on Thursday, but there was no response, so the maid thought the women needed more rest and left," a police officer said.

Thursday evening the maid tried again. When she got no response, she grew concerned and used a master key to enter the room where she discovered the bodies. The hotel alerted police at 9 p.m.

"We rushed to the hotel with medical officers from Koh Phi Phi Hospital and a rescue team," police told the newspaper.

Police also said the young women had skin lesions, had been bleeding from the gums and their fingernails and toenails were blue.

Police told the newspaper that the women died 12 to 20 hours before their bodies were found.

Isabelle Soucy, a high school art teacher who taught both girls when they were students at École Sécondaire du Transcontinental, said that whole town is badly shaken up by the deaths. The Bélanger family, which includes an older sister, is well known and well loved in the small town, Soucy said.

“They were very engaged, social girls, really good girls. This really touches everyone here so deeply,“ Soucy said.

While Audrey had just begun an undergraduate degree at Université Laval, Noémi had completed a degree in psychology and had just been accepted in Laval’s school of dentistry. The girls were apparently taking a short holiday in Thailand to celebrate the school year ending, before returning to Pohénégamook for the summer, as usual, to work in their father’s grocery store.

“They are a very strong, close family who often travel together,” said Soucy, noting a recent trip to New York City by the parents and three sisters. She said Noémie had also travelled to several developing countries to do humanitarian work.

“I don’t understand what happened. It seems from the television news that the hotel they were staying at was a nice hotel, not a dump. I don’t understand if they were sick why they didn’t ask for help. They are girls who know how to look after themselves, they can speak French and English. … I just don’t understand why it happened so fast and why nobody else was sick,” at the hotel, she said.

Michelle Lalonde of The Montreal Gazette contributed to this report

-- The Montreal Gazette 2012-06-17