ThaiOats Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 However, I do want to see a full reckoning for the events of last year and not let this be yet another sweeping under the carpet of crimes. Do you want that, that is your goal is it? How about the crimes that have occurred over the last decade, shall we just nullify them in favour of your goal, you can take off the rubber mask now. Just as well, Phiphidon believes the Reds didn't kill anybody it was all the army's fault. Shame on them for shooting over 3000 bullets and killed somewhere between 1 and 98, bloody murderous lot those militants are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 "Come out and launch a political fight to eradicate the Democrat Party from the Thai political platform. The Democrats have breached parliamentary regulations such as defying Parliament President Somsak Kiatsura-nont during the House meeting and taking his chair away. Such behaviour is tantamount to destroying democracy and the Constitution," Weng said on the stage at the "Pheu Thai, the Truth for Democracy" event. Pheu Thai party list MP and United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship leader Dr. Weng asks for a 'political fight' to 'eradicate' another political party. Sound very democratic. Also very reasonable, I mean for Pete's sake, 'taking his chair away', that simply asks for 'eradication'. A Speaker of the House who simply cuts microphones and develops a problem with his ears (eh?), what to do, what to do? Publish his phone number, his address, eradicate his party? BTW very interesting to see some link Democrats and PAD. How many PAD leaders are Democrat party list MP? Same question on Pheu Thai and UDD. PS "Pheu Thai, the Truth for Democracy", looking at the photo, red-shirts only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 So why fuss now if amnesty is no big deal, either you agree it was a major self serving action....or you carry the rather obvious disability of double standards It's not me making the "fuss", it is the Thai people, and in the case of the referendum in 2007 and the amnesty that it included, they made no fuss until years later, but in the current case, the reaction has been immediate. Suggests to me that current feelings are more spontaneous and genuine. Of course i do agree however that if you are against amnesties, you are against them all - or at least should be. So rather than continue the cycle of them, why not stop awarding them, and set up enquiries for ones past. That is surely a better way forward than the one currently being promoted of "well they did it, so why can't we?", that you seem to line yourself behind. Looks like you've missed the whole set, not just the point......it is the same people who allowed a referendum and accepted the outcome as it was favourable....who are now using legalities and any other methodology to prevent the possibility of exactly the same outcome......and as for your stop awarding amnesty, another convenient 'we have seen the error of our ways'.....you couldn't make this stuff up and the gullible keep quaffing it down.... And as for the guy above who suggested overiding the coup amnesty law and putting the generals in Jail........ ......quality humour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phiphidon Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 However, I do want to see a full reckoning for the events of last year and not let this be yet another sweeping under the carpet of crimes. Do you want that, that is your goal is it? How about the crimes that have occurred over the last decade, shall we just nullify them in favour of your goal, you can take off the rubber mask now. Actually I meant 2010. See that bold lettering there full. Thats what I meant, both "sides" brought to book. The majority of the reds have served or are serving their time. The red leaders have still to see their day in court. But I also want to see the Security forces properly investigated, not being shielded by the "I was only following orders " SOP and Abhisit and the CRES not being protected by the Emergency Decree lifeline Of course this is not going to happen, the die was set when abhisit set up an investigation committee with no power to call witnesses and the DSI and all dragged their feet on the investigation front. it will be all one way traffic. Same as it always was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phiphidon Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 However, I do want to see a full reckoning for the events of last year and not let this be yet another sweeping under the carpet of crimes. Do you want that, that is your goal is it? How about the crimes that have occurred over the last decade, shall we just nullify them in favour of your goal, you can take off the rubber mask now. Just as well, Phiphidon believes the Reds didn't kill anybody it was all the army's fault. Shame on them for shooting over 3000 bullets and killed somewhere between 1 and 98, bloody murderous lot those militants are. Another mind reader - I suggest you read my reply before mouthing off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiOats Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Seriously wish some of you guys could understand Thai and listen to the differences between the rallies. I stopped listening to Jatuporn at 20 minutes of BS and hatred with nothing to contribute to the meaning of Democracy. According to him Abhisit's and Suthep's cases are already in the court and that they knew their fate already that's why they're trying to overthrow the government as soon as possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rubl Posted June 17, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2012 (edited) ... However, I do want to see a full reckoning for the events of last year and not let this be yet another sweeping under the carpet of crimes. ... Last year had main interesting events 'general election' and 'a flooding well done'. A bit off topic, just as off topic as the 2010 events. Interesting, but off topic. The topic here is a Pheu Thai party list MP and United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship leader who calls for the 'political fight to eradicate' another political party. In a very democratic manner of course. Now put your mind on this (goes for all) and tell me how you 'politically eradicate your opponents in a democratic fashion' Edited June 17, 2012 by rubl 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixalex Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Looks like you've missed the whole set, not just the point......it is the same people who allowed a referendum and accepted the outcome as it was favourable....who are now using legalities and any other methodology to prevent the possibility of exactly the same outcome...... The only way it could be exactly the same outcome is if the amnesty awarded in 2007 and the current one proposed were for exactly the same alleged crimes. They aren't, and that is why i think in one case the outrage was artificially manufactured years later, and in the other, it has been immediate. and as for your stop awarding amnesty, another convenient 'we have seen the error of our ways'.....you couldn't make this stuff up and the gullible keep quaffing it down.... What could possibly be more convenient than "this is wrong but let's argue it's right on the basis that others have done it before"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiOats Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 However, I do want to see a full reckoning for the events of last year and not let this be yet another sweeping under the carpet of crimes. Do you want that, that is your goal is it? How about the crimes that have occurred over the last decade, shall we just nullify them in favour of your goal, you can take off the rubber mask now. Just as well, Phiphidon believes the Reds didn't kill anybody it was all the army's fault. Shame on them for shooting over 3000 bullets and killed somewhere between 1 and 98, bloody murderous lot those militants are. Another mind reader - I suggest you read my reply before mouthing off. I don't need to be a mind reader as it's written all over you. Or maybe it's a coincidence that we're all mind readers, how about you go back and reflect on why we say these things about you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixalex Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Seriously wish some of you guys could understand Thai and listen to the differences between the rallies. I stopped listening to Jatuporn at 20 minutes of BS and hatred with nothing to contribute to the meaning of Democracy. According to him Abhisit's and Suthep's cases are already in the court and that they knew their fate already that's why they're trying to overthrow the government as soon as possible. Some of those guys aren't even here in Thailand, much less able to understand Thai. I agree, the differences are stark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Seriously wish some of you guys could understand Thai and listen to the differences between the rallies. I stopped listening to Jatuporn at 20 minutes of BS and hatred with nothing to contribute to the meaning of Democracy. According to him Abhisit's and Suthep's cases are already in the court and that they knew their fate already that's why they're trying to overthrow the government as soon as possible. It's a pity that on radio you can't see k. Jatuporn wearing his Ghandi image Tshirt. Works well with foreigners who don't understand the language. I'm not a psychiatrist, but to me just the shouting already expresses a violent attitude, IMHO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 So why fuss now if amnesty is no big deal, either you agree it was a major self serving action....or you carry the rather obvious disability of double standards It's not me making the "fuss", it is the Thai people, and in the case of the referendum in 2007 and the amnesty that it included, they made no fuss until years later, but in the current case, the reaction has been immediate. Suggests to me that current feelings are more spontaneous and genuine. Of course i do agree however that if you are against amnesties, you are against them all - or at least should be. So rather than continue the cycle of them, why not stop awarding them, and set up enquiries for ones past. That is surely a better way forward than the one currently being promoted of "well they did it, so why can't we?", that you seem to line yourself behind. Looks like you've missed the whole set, not just the point......it is the same people who allowed a referendum and accepted the outcome as it was favourable....who are now using legalities and any other methodology to prevent the possibility of exactly the same outcome......and as for your stop awarding amnesty, another convenient 'we have seen the error of our ways'.....you couldn't make this stuff up and the gullible keep quaffing it down.... And as for the guy above who suggested overiding the coup amnesty law and putting the generals in Jail........ ......quality humour Was there a point to that post, any point at all, I'm fairly good at reading, but I think I may have missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 However, I do want to see a full reckoning for the events of last year and not let this be yet another sweeping under the carpet of crimes. Do you want that, that is your goal is it? How about the crimes that have occurred over the last decade, shall we just nullify them in favour of your goal, you can take off the rubber mask now. Actually I meant 2010. I know exactly what you meant, myopic to the last and ignore everything else. Still a man hears what he wan't to hear and disregards the rest - Paul Simon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phiphidon Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Just as well, Phiphidon believes the Reds didn't kill anybody it was all the army's fault. Shame on them for shooting over 3000 bullets and killed somewhere between 1 and 98, bloody murderous lot those militants are. Another mind reader - I suggest you read my reply before mouthing off. I don't need to be a mind reader as it's written all over you. Or maybe it's a coincidence that we're all mind readers, how about you go back and reflect on why we say these things about you. How about you go back over my posts and see where I have ever said that the redshirts and or blackshirts were not responsible for the deaths of some of the security forces? How about you reflect on "why we say these things about you" - is it because you're one of the cheerleaders jumping on the comments of others and generally incapable of independant thought? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phiphidon Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 However, I do want to see a full reckoning for the events of last year and not let this be yet another sweeping under the carpet of crimes. Do you want that, that is your goal is it? How about the crimes that have occurred over the last decade, shall we just nullify them in favour of your goal, you can take off the rubber mask now. Actually I meant 2010. I know exactly what you meant, myopic to the last and ignore everything else. Still a man hears what he wan't to hear and disregards the rest - Paul Simon. You forgot a bit of my post, the important bit Actually I meant 2010. See that bold lettering there full. Thats what I meant, both "sides" brought to book. The majority of the reds have served or are serving their time. The red leaders have still to see their day in court. But I also want to see the Security forces properly investigated, not being shielded by the "I was only following orders " SOP and Abhisit and the CRES not being protected by the Emergency Decree lifeline Of course this is not going to happen, the die was set when abhisit set up an investigation committee with no power to call witnesses and the DSI and all dragged their feet on the investigation front. it will be all one way traffic. Same as it always was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 (edited) However, I do want to see a full reckoning for the events of last year and not let this be yet another sweeping under the carpet of crimes. Do you want that, that is your goal is it? How about the crimes that have occurred over the last decade, shall we just nullify them in favour of your goal, you can take off the rubber mask now. Actually I meant 2010. See that bold lettering there full. Thats what I meant, both "sides" brought to book. The majority of the reds have served or are serving their time. The red leaders have still to see their day in court. But I also want to see the Security forces properly investigated, not being shielded by the "I was only following orders " SOP and Abhisit and the CRES not being protected by the Emergency Decree lifeline Of course this is not going to happen, the die was set when abhisit set up an investigation committee with no power to call witnesses and the DSI and all dragged their feet on the investigation front. it will be all one way traffic. Same as it always was. The reds have served or are serving? A handfull minor cannon fodder. Both sides brought to book. The Abhisit government may have been a bit reluctant and dragging it's feet, but the Yingluck government has come with the "amnesty for all" proposal which is ready to be discussed in parliament from the 1st of August. No need to shield Abhisit, Suthep, Security forces, go get them. Oh, and by the way, Thaksin and red-shirts are innocent. Both sides brought to book, but emphasize the others. edit: add: Blame Abhisit for setting up a TRTS, blame Abhisit for DSI dragging it's feet. Blame Abhisit, wy not. He does't have a red-shirt, he's not a member of Pheu Thai, ... Fair's fair in red-shirt land. Edited June 17, 2012 by rubl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Just as well, Phiphidon believes the Reds didn't kill anybody it was all the army's fault. Shame on them for shooting over 3000 bullets and killed somewhere between 1 and 98, bloody murderous lot those militants are. Another mind reader - I suggest you read my reply before mouthing off. I don't need to be a mind reader as it's written all over you. Or maybe it's a coincidence that we're all mind readers, how about you go back and reflect on why we say these things about you. How about you go back over my posts and see where I have ever said that the redshirts and or blackshirts were not responsible for the deaths of some of the security forces? How about you reflect on "why we say these things about you" - is it because you're one of the cheerleaders jumping on the comments of others and generally incapable of independant thought? Stereotypes do exist for a reason..... and the slur about being incapable of independent thought is quite ironic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiOats Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Just as well, Phiphidon believes the Reds didn't kill anybody it was all the army's fault. Shame on them for shooting over 3000 bullets and killed somewhere between 1 and 98, bloody murderous lot those militants are. Another mind reader - I suggest you read my reply before mouthing off. I don't need to be a mind reader as it's written all over you. Or maybe it's a coincidence that we're all mind readers, how about you go back and reflect on why we say these things about you. How about you go back over my posts and see where I have ever said that the redshirts and or blackshirts were not responsible for the deaths of some of the security forces? How about you reflect on "why we say these things about you" - is it because you're one of the cheerleaders jumping on the comments of others and generally incapable of independant thought? You're right. I apologize then not knowing that you also think the red shirts and black shirts murdered security forces and innocent by-standers. I haven't seen it anywhere else but since you're able to come forth and admit it, then I do sincerely apologize. At the time of writing the response, I was watching Jatuporn's speech and he blamed ALL the deaths on the security forces and Abhisit/Suthep, to which the red crowd cheered on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Was there a point to that post, any point at all, I'm fairly good at reading, but I think I may have missed it. There was...you did..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 (edited) I don't need to be a mind reader as it's written all over you. Or maybe it's a coincidence that we're all mind readers, how about you go back and reflect on why we say these things about you.How about you go back over my posts and see where I have ever said that the redshirts and or blackshirts were not responsible for the deaths of some of the security forces?How about you reflect on "why we say these things about you" - is it because you're one of the cheerleaders jumping on the comments of others and generally incapable of independant thought?You're right. I apologize then not knowing that you also think the red shirts and black shirts murdered security forces and innocent by-standers. I haven't seen it anywhere else but since you're able to come forth and admit it, then I do sincerely apologize. At the time of writing the response, I was watching Jatuporn's speech and he blamed ALL the deaths on the security forces and Abhisit/Suthep, to which the red crowd cheered on. Just wondering, 'honest John' phiphidon: "where I have ever said that the redshirts and or blackshirts were not responsible for the deaths of some of the security forces?" Where have you said they were, or might be responsable? Where have you said the army was, or might be responsable? Edited June 17, 2012 by rubl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 (edited) Was there a point to that post, any point at all, I'm fairly good at reading, but I think I may have missed it. There was...you did..... Please enlighten me then. Or you could just use a yawn emoticon if you don't feel like it. Edited June 17, 2012 by Thaddeus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phiphidon Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 However, I do want to see a full reckoning for the events of last year and not let this be yet another sweeping under the carpet of crimes. Do you want that, that is your goal is it? How about the crimes that have occurred over the last decade, shall we just nullify them in favour of your goal, you can take off the rubber mask now. Actually I meant 2010. See that bold lettering there full. Thats what I meant, both "sides" brought to book. The majority of the reds have served or are serving their time. The red leaders have still to see their day in court. But I also want to see the Security forces properly investigated, not being shielded by the "I was only following orders " SOP and Abhisit and the CRES not being protected by the Emergency Decree lifeline Of course this is not going to happen, the die was set when abhisit set up an investigation committee with no power to call witnesses and the DSI and all dragged their feet on the investigation front. it will be all one way traffic. Same as it always was. The reds have served or are serving? A handfull minor cannon fodder. Both sides brought to book. The Abhisit government may have been a bit reluctant and dragging it's feet, but the Yingluck government has come with the "amnesty for all" proposal which is ready to be discussed in parliament from the 1st of August. No need to shield Abhisit, Suthep, Security forces, go get them. Oh, and by the way, Thaksin and red-shirts are innocent. Both sides brought to book, but emphasize the others. edit: add: Blame Abhisit for setting up a TRTS, blame Abhisit for DSI dragging it's feet. Blame Abhisit, wy not. He does't have a red-shirt, he's not a member of Pheu Thai, ... Fair's fair in red-shirt land. Cmon rubl, your english is better than that, but if you just want to make things up out of my post, carry on but don't forget this thread is about remove the democrats reds told...................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phiphidon Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Stereotypes do exist for a reason..... and the slur about being incapable of independent thought is quite ironic. Strange definition of irony if I may say so and it wasn't a slur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Cmon rubl, your english is better than that, .............. Correcting English, the last bastion..... well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 (edited) Cmon rubl, your english is better than that, but if you just want to make things up out of my post, carry on but don't forget this thread is about remove the democrats reds told...................... I'm trying to stick to the topic and I asked you all to put your mind on 'democratically eradicating a political opponent'. As for 'make things up out of my post', I certainly would never presume I could or should even try to beat a master at his game edit: add: how does one progress from 'english better than that' to 'but if you want to make things up'? Edited June 17, 2012 by rubl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 edit: add: how does one progress from 'english better than that' to 'but if you want to make things up'? Unc, don't confuse him.... we could be here all night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phiphidon Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Just wondering, 'honest John' phiphidon: "where I have ever said that the redshirts and or blackshirts were not responsible for the deaths of some of the security forces?" Where have you said they were, or might be responsable? Where have you said the army was, or might be responsable? I could ask you the same thing, I suspect the answers will be different. I have my opinion and you have yours, generally diametrically opposite to mine. You're welcome to sift through my posts if you don't believe me. I'm comfortable with my knowledge of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phiphidon Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Cmon rubl, your english is better than that, but if you just want to make things up out of my post, carry on but don't forget this thread is about remove the democrats reds told...................... I'm trying to stick to the topic and I asked you all to put your mind on 'democratically eradicating a political opponent'. As for 'make things up out of my post', I certainly would never presume I could or should even try to beat a master at his game edit: add: how does one progress from 'english better than that' to 'but if you want to make things up'? I was alluding to your knowledge of the english language was better than what you were trying to portray in your deliberate misreading of my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phiphidon Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Cmon rubl, your english is better than that, .............. Correcting English, the last bastion..... well done. Oh Thaddeus, if you only read and quote half of the post you will get less than half of its meaning - see above for my explanation to rubl, it may help avoid further kneejerk posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Cmon rubl, your english is better than that, but if you just want to make things up out of my post, carry on but don't forget this thread is about remove the democrats reds told...................... I'm trying to stick to the topic and I asked you all to put your mind on 'democratically eradicating a political opponent'. As for 'make things up out of my post', I certainly would never presume I could or should even try to beat a master at his game edit: add: how does one progress from 'english better than that' to 'but if you want to make things up'? I was alluding to your knowledge of the english language was better than what you were trying to portray in your deliberate misreading of my post. Good one, so basically you had nothing, and ran with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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