Thaksin Billionaire Before Entering Politics: Noppadon

[MikeOboe57]

Do you think telling the truth according to the anti T posters on Thai Visa is part of a lawyers job? Or do you think all lawyers who don't tell the truth as you see it should be disbarred? Or do you think all lawyers who make doubtful statements should be disbarred?So the question remains, "They should haul Noppadon into court and strip him of his lawyer status." Why? He is not doing anything else that one could hire a lawyer to do in almost any country anywhere in the world. You know there is more to reality than just Thaskin bashing on Thai Visa. Not everyone believes you.

Again, Noppadon is not acting as a lawyer, he is just a propaganda loudmouth. As such he is not required to tell the truth. In court a lying lawyer would have to face serious consequences. That's also why R. Amsterdam changed from business lawyer to "human rights activist" - you get away with BS.

So if he is not even acting as a lawyer why would you want to disbar the guy? You see the why question really makes a lot of sense!

Lots of things can get you disbarred.

Example from wikipedia:

Jack Thompson, the Florida lawyer noted for his activism against video games, was permanently disbarred for various charges of misconduct. The action was the result of several grievances claiming that Thompson had made defamatory, false statements and attempted to humiliate, embarrass, harass or intimidate his opponents.

[rubl]

He was listed in Forbes as a USD Billionaire before he became PM. In the top 3 in Thailand I recall.

So, he lied on his asset declaration then.

Thanks for clearing that up.

I actually give him credit if he hid his money from the Army/courts.

Smart move for sure when the tanks are always warmed up ready to go.

In fact I recall they did take as much as they could get their hands on.

Rumour had it that when k. Thaksin and his then-wife left for Bejing to watch the games, they not only had an awfull lot of (unchecked) suitcases for such a short trip, but even had permission for it. Probably under the motto 'good riddance'. No credit here, only debit to the country. The US$ 300,000 or so bond lost for bail jumping was most likely only a pittence, pocket money, or loose change.

So, a bail jumper, a smuggler, a liar, admired by some because of that. A modern day Robin Hood, imagine

[Buchholz]

Around 2000 he lost a ton in the dot com crash.

That's ok, because in just a few years his brilliant financial wizard, in the form of his 20-something college student daughter, singlehandedly turned the family stock portfolio around enough to become....For the second consecutive year.....

Thaksin's Daughter Thailand's Richest Stockholder

Started by george

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If you read this article, it sounds like the Walton (Walmart) family, except the Waltons are not trying to take over the United States.

It is quite a staggering compilation with the Clan holding positions # 1, # 2, and #4 out of the Top Five Richest Stockholders. Even Yingluck was in there at a distant # 62 in the ever-shuffling of stock assets amongst The Family.

It also is mentioned that prior to the financial guru Daughter #1 holding the mantel as the Richest Stockholder in Thailand for two years running....that the previous crown was Wife #1 Potjaman, who was the Richest Stockholder in Thailand...who held it for three continuous years up to 1999.

Just before the big crash that hit The Clan hard in 2000 according to pauljones.

It is only because of the brilliance of the daughter's strategic moves that within a blink of an eye they all returned to their multiple individual billionaires' status like the Walmart Walton's.

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[55Jay]

He was listed in Forbes as a USD Billionaire before he became PM. In the top 3 in Thailand I recall.

Thanks for confirming he falsified his sworn asset declaration letter when he stated under oath to only having 25 US millions or so.

So he started his blatant pathological lying over a decade ago and hasn't skipped a beat since.

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Were asset declarations required when he became PM - or not?

[scotbeve]

Meanwhile, there could be four potential perjury cases related to official asset declarations of public office holders and their spouses.

Records of the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) show the asset declarations of Thaksin and his then-wife Pojaman na Pombejra back in 2001 were 569 million baht and 9.96 billion baht, respectively.

However, Pojaman, in her recent closing statement in the 76-billion-baht assets-seizure case, told the Supreme Court that 34 billion baht of the 76 billion baht belonged to her even though she reported her assets amounted to only 9.96 billion baht in February 2001, when Thaksin first assumed the premiership.

Besides the 2001 declaration, Pojaman reported to the NACC in 2005 that her assets had dropped to 8.91 billion baht and those of Thaksin to 506 million baht.

http://www.asiaone.c...228-201380.html

"I had 86 billion baht worth of assets before I entered politics, but they stole 46 billion from me,"

Thaksin Shinawatra

Around 2000 he lost a ton in the dot com crash.

I did read his personal stock market gains were in line with the SET Index while in office.

In 2003 the Thai Market gained 103%. That might explain his capital gains?

There is a whole lot of disinformation coming from The Nation all these years.

The FOX news of Thailand only worse. Much worse.

And if I may add to this.... all the typos as well as calculator finger problems with the Nation have made it a laughing stock over the years!!!!!

[phiphidon]

I actually give him credit if he hid his money from the Army/courts.

Smart move for sure when the tanks are always warmed up ready to go.

In fact I recall they did take as much as they could get their hands on.

Rumour had it that when k. Thaksin and his then-wife left for Bejing to watch the games, they not only had an awfull lot of (unchecked) suitcases for such a short trip, but even had permission for it. Probably under the motto 'good riddance'. No credit here, only debit to the country. The US$ 300,000 or so bond lost for bail jumping was most likely only a pittence, pocket money, or loose change.

So, a bail jumper, a smuggler, a liar, admired by some because of that. A modern day Robin Hood, imagine

Rumour has it indeed, just about as believable as this from a forum known for it's exceptional knowledge of thai politics and

football

It's all well and good having money to spend citychic, but does it not concern you that your club is about to be taken over by someone who is so corrupt he fled his country in a small fleet of helicopters carrying suitcases full of his money?!

http://www.big-football-forum.co.uk/bff/viewtopic.php?style=1&f=1&t=1647&p=41674

I tend to believe this version of events posted by George back in the day on TVF

Posted 2006-09-25 16:23:31

Update:

Officials deny Thaksin left Thailand with 'unusual' amount of luggage

BANGKOK: -- Officials have denied Thaksin Shinawatra left Thailand with an 'unusual' amount of baggage, amid reports the ex-premier may have taken large amounts of cash out of the country before a military coup.

Thaksin left the country for a series of foreign engagements 10 days before the coup that ousted him and a later flight from Bangkok which took officials to a summit in Cuba, picked up Thaksin on the way.

'Both flights took off from the military airport and the amount of luggage was not unusual,' Group Captain Montol Suchookorn, a Royal Thai Air Force spokesman, told Agence France-Presse.

--AFP 2006-09-25

http://www.thaivisa....s/page__st__150

[whybother]

He was listed in Forbes as a USD Billionaire before he became PM. In the top 3 in Thailand I recall.

Thanks for confirming he falsified his sworn asset declaration letter when he stated under oath to only having 25 US millions or so.

So he started his blatant pathological lying over a decade ago and hasn't skipped a beat since.

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Were asset declarations required when he became PM - or not?

They were, as per the 1997 constitution.

[phiphidon]

Around 2000 he lost a ton in the dot com crash.

That's ok, because in just a few years his brilliant financial wizard, in the form of his 20-something college student daughter, singlehandedly turned the family stock portfolio around enough to become....For the second consecutive year.....

Thaksin's Daughter Thailand's Richest Stockholder

Started by george

http://www.thaivisa....st-stockholder/

.

If you read this article, it sounds like the Walton (Walmart) family, except the Waltons are not trying to take over the United States.

It is quite a staggering compilation with the Clan holding positions # 1, # 2, and #4 out of the Top Five Richest Stockholders. Even Yingluck was in there at a distant # 62 in the ever-shuffling of stock assets amongst The Family.

It also is mentioned that prior to the financial guru Daughter #1 holding the mantel as the Richest Stockholder in Thailand for two years running....that the previous crown was Wife #1 Potjaman, who was the Richest Stockholder in Thailand...who held it for three continuous years up to 1999.

Just before the big crash that hit The Clan hard in 2000 according to pauljones.

It is only because of the brilliance of the daughter's strategic moves that within a blink of an eye they all returned to their multiple individual billionaires' status like the Walmart Walton's.

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Well when you've finished being staggered could you answer the question;

So on what date did he state under oath he had $25 million dollars? A year will do.

[MikeOboe57]

Well when you've finished being staggered could you answer the question;

So on what date did he state under oath he had $25 million dollars? A year will do.

I would guess making false statements is a criminal offence even if you are "technically" not under oath. Try to cheat on your income tax declaration and watch what happens.

[Thaddeus]

And if I may add to this.... all the typos as well as calculator finger problems with the Nation have made it a laughing stock over the years!!!!!

I agree, the typos and grammatical errors contained within are inexcusable considering the resources that they could draw on.

But this isn't about a newspaper is it, no matter how hard you try to draw attention away from the subject.

[phiphidon]

Well when you've finished being staggered could you answer the question;

So on what date did he state under oath he had $25 million dollars? A year will do.

I would guess making false statements is a criminal offence even if you are "technically" not under oath. Try to cheat on your income tax declaration and watch what happens.

Are those the official figures from the NACC or a table pulled off of an Anti Thaksin Blog? I think you know the answer. Still lets say they are the same as the official NACC figures. Strangely enough the figures correspond with what Noppodon said in the OP so what's your point?

[Thaddeus]

They should haul Noppadon into court and strip him of his lawyer status. He can work for Amsterdam's team of the dubiously qualified

Why?

Because either he or Thaksin is being dishonest about Thaksin's assets and the truth should out.

I take it your information is better than Forbes. I think not. I think you are making it up. If you are not list your information. If not admit your lie.

Right, let me get this straight, you are saying that the information from someone else is a fabrication and the Forbes article is true.

If the Forbes article is true as you submit it to be, then Thaksin lied in his asset declaration.

Cool, I wish that his friends were just as honest in their assessments.

[Thaddeus]

Well when you've finished being staggered could you answer the question;

So on what date did he state under oath he had $25 million dollars? A year will do.

I would guess making false statements is a criminal offence even if you are "technically" not under oath. Try to cheat on your income tax declaration and watch what happens.

Are those the official figures from the NACC or a table pulled off of an Anti Thaksin Blog? I think you know the answer. Still lets say they are the same as the official NACC figures. Strangely enough the figures correspond with what Noppodon said in the OP so what's your point?

Yes, of course the figures agree.....

BANGKOK: -- Former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra was already a billionaire with a net worth of more than Bt60 billion before beginning his career in public service, his legal adviser Noppadon Pattama said on Tuesday.

From Noppadons statement, can you spot just a little bit of duplicity here, or smell something funny, or, heaven forbid, a lie.

Edited June 19, 2012 by Thaddeus

[MikeOboe57]

Well when you've finished being staggered could you answer the question;

So on what date did he state under oath he had $25 million dollars? A year will do.

I would guess making false statements is a criminal offence even if you are "technically" not under oath. Try to cheat on your income tax declaration and watch what happens.

Are those the official figures from the NACC or a table pulled off of an Anti Thaksin Blog? I think you know the answer. Still lets say they are the same as the official NACC figures. Strangely enough the figures correspond with what Noppodon said in the OP so what's your point?

Now we only have to fit in Thaksin's statement:

"I had 86 billion baht worth of assets before I entered politics, but they stole 46 billion from me,"

But I'm sure you have an explanation for that.

[pepi2005]

So Thaksin was already belonging to the "Ammart" from the beginning (just as all the other "red" leaders by the way).

Everyone - except for the "red" infantry - knows that.

It is as if Lenin's lawyer would say that Lenin has been a super-capitalist for a long time,

so why wouldn't we trust him? [and return the tax money he "redirected" into his own pockets before]

What's the news?

Even the fake photo with Nelson Mandela is already an old sock!

[Moruya]

So I think we can all safely say that Thaksin, Noppadon, Yingluck, Potjaman, Chinicha etc. Were significantly economical with the truth when declaring assets.

Now remind me, what do they have in common?

[scotbeve]

And if I may add to this.... all the typos as well as calculator finger problems with the Nation have made it a laughing stock over the years!!!!!

I agree, the typos and grammatical errors contained within are inexcusable considering the resources that they could draw on.

But this isn't about a newspaper is it, no matter how hard you try to draw attention away from the subject.

Thad, wasn't my intention of drawing away from the issue.... The fact of the matter is that the Nation appears to be very biased towards a certain group or party and that the paper has been incorrect with BILLIONS of baht before.

[kerryk]

So I think we can all safely say that Thaksin, Noppadon, Yingluck, Potjaman, Chinicha etc. Were significantly economical with the truth when declaring assets.

Now remind me, what do they have in common?

People who have nothing to do with them or cannot possibly effect their future post about them at 4 o clock in the morning.

[Moruya]

So I think we can all safely say that Thaksin, Noppadon, Yingluck, Potjaman, Chinicha etc. Were significantly economical with the truth when declaring assets.

Now remind me, what do they have in common?

People who have nothing to do with them or cannot possibly effect their future post about them at 4 o clock in the morning.

That's an assumption and an irrelevance.

[pauljones]

He was listed in Forbes as a USD Billionaire before he became PM. In the top 3 in Thailand I recall.

So, he lied on his asset declaration then.

Thanks for clearing that up.

I actually give him credit if he hid his money from the Army/courts.

Smart move for sure when the tanks are always warmed up ready to go.

In fact I recall they did take as much as they could get their hands on.

Rumour had it that when k. Thaksin and his then-wife left for Bejing to watch the games, they not only had an awfull lot of (unchecked) suitcases for such a short trip, but even had permission for it. Probably under the motto 'good riddance'. No credit here, only debit to the country. The US$ 300,000 or so bond lost for bail jumping was most likely only a pittence, pocket money, or loose change.

So, a bail jumper, a smuggler, a liar, admired by some because of that. A modern day Robin Hood, imagine

Convicted by who? A Thai court under army control?

Didn't you see those secret recordings of the judges conspiring with the democrats?

[whybother]

Convicted by who? A Thai court under army control?

Didn't you see those secret recordings of the judges conspiring with the democrats?

A Thai court under Thaksin proxy party government.

Didn't you read that those recordings were set up. Or didn't the red shirt propaganda news tell you that?

[Moruya]

They should haul Noppadon into court and strip him of his lawyer status. He can work for Amsterdam's team of the dubiously qualified

Why?

Because either he or Thaksin is being dishonest about Thaksin's assets and the truth should out.

I take it your information is better than Forbes. I think not. I think you are making it up. If you are not list your information. If not admit your lie.

His figures now and his figures then don't agree. Neither do Noppadon's

That's all the proof anyone with functioning neurons requires.

[Moruya]

They should haul Noppadon into court and strip him of his lawyer status. He can work for Amsterdam's team of the dubiously qualified

I have always thought that you hired a lawyer to tell lies on your behalf in court.

It's clear that the Thaksion camp has decided, after all these years, to now say that he didn't gain any wealth whilst he was in power and that he was rich all the time. The statements now contradict official statements made at the time.

In time we will hear the same set of untruths told by Jatuporn, Yingluck, Chalerm and other connected mouths as part of a cunning plan to hand the confiscated billions back in order to return his fictitious finances to a pre-coup position.

Some of us can see it for what it is.

Whether a member of the legal profession should be involved in the scheme is a matter for the Thai Law Society. Whether Noppadon's statements now go against any statements that he may have made in court will be a matter for the law courts to decide.

Lawyers lying in court....... The only lies they are able to present are the lies that the client presents as truths!

[kerryk]

Moruya,

So if his figures don't agree you disbar him?

[Moruya]

Convicted by who? A Thai court under army control?

Didn't you see those secret recordings of the judges conspiring with the democrats?

A Thai court under Thaksin's brother in law's administration no less.

Get your facts right.

[Moruya]

Moruya,

So if his figures don't agree you disbar him?

There's a fine line with what lawyers can or cannot do

Let us suppose that Noppadon said something like this:

"The National Counter Curruption Commission (NCCC) is welcomed to check Thaksin's declared assets and I only demand for a straightforward audit without a pretext to fault him," Noppadon Patama said.

Link - http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Noppadol-challenges-NCCC-to-review-Thaksin-s-asset-30039134.html

Or that he was forced to step down as foreign minister because of a number of breaches of the constitution

http://nationmultimedia.com/2008/07/10/politics/politics_30077773.php

[lujanit]

He was listed in Forbes as a USD Billionaire before he became PM. In the top 3 in Thailand I recall.

In the late 80s he was selling radio and pagers and doing telecommunications deals all over SE Asia.

In the early 90s, it was very difficult and very expensive to get a phone line to your home in many places.

Thaksin was there when cell phones took off.

Around 1994 he launched SatCom 1 and was building skyscrapers in Bangkok.

He bacame a telecommunications tycoon.

I believe he had 60 companies going.

Didn't he produce multi Billion surpluses when in office?

He may be corrupt (who isn't in Thailand?) but he is a smart guy that can run big operations.

I think he was railroaded by the Army thugs and high level scoundrels that really run the show around here. There futures looked dim with a task master/CEO as PM.

This gang espouses Democracy to grab the cash from the USA but roll out the tanks when they don't like electoral results. Scammers.

Another Thaksin apologist

[Moruya]

He was listed in Forbes as a USD Billionaire before he became PM. In the top 3 in Thailand I recall.

In the late 80s he was selling radio and pagers and doing telecommunications deals all over SE Asia.

In the early 90s, it was very difficult and very expensive to get a phone line to your home in many places.

Thaksin was there when cell phones took off.

Around 1994 he launched SatCom 1 and was building skyscrapers in Bangkok.

He bacame a telecommunications tycoon.

I believe he had 60 companies going.

Didn't he produce multi Billion surpluses when in office?

He may be corrupt (who isn't in Thailand?) but he is a smart guy that can run big operations.

I think he was railroaded by the Army thugs and high level scoundrels that really run the show around here. There futures looked dim with a task master/CEO as PM.

This gang espouses Democracy to grab the cash from the USA but roll out the tanks when they don't like electoral results. Scammers.

Another Thaksin apologist

Pauljones - just prior to Thaksin's trial, his lawyer, a certain Mister Noppadon, said that his client's asset declaration of a few measly tens of millions of dollars should be audited to prove that he was telling the truth.

Now the same lawyer is saying "well, you know pee nong, Thaksin was a billionaire all along"

Which Noppadon do you believe?

Which Thaksin do you believe?

[Crushdepth]

Noppadon said the opposition Democrat Party had no justification for saying Thaksin had abused office to enrich himself.

Just a criminal conviction and confiscation of billions by the courts, with several more cases pending the fugitive's return.

But personally I'm happy to believe whatever Thaksin's legal team tells me.

[phiphidon]

Are those the official figures from the NACC or a table pulled off of an Anti Thaksin Blog? I think you know the answer. Still lets say they are the same as the official NACC figures. Strangely enough the figures correspond with what Noppodon said in the OP so what's your point?

Now we only have to fit in Thaksin's statement:

"I had 86 billion baht worth of assets before I entered politics, but they stole 46 billion from me,"

But I'm sure you have an explanation for that.

According to the OP Noppodon said that in 1994 Thaksin had 60 Billion baht in assets and in 1997 this had dropped to 24 Biilion because of bad investments or whatever. Now why is there not a chance that Thaksin had 86 billion baht of assets before 1994? Then he would be correct in saying he had 86 billion worth of assets before entering politics. Simple.

Personally, though this could have happened, I feel it more likely that as this statement was made at a phone in to a rally he was just bragging about his wealth to make a point - it's not as if the phone in was made under oath was it?

Of course, any excuse to rage at the evil thaksin can never be missed by the usual suspects, can it?