Jatuporn Threatens Hunger Strike If Bail Revoked

[weka]

But is he perhaps correct with his assertions that the CC cannot revoke his bail?

There's been a lot of people saying that the CC is out of its jurisdiction on this and yet nobody claiming it's correct. There's some talk of him threatening the CC judges, and that's up for conjecture but can the CC do what the PTP claims only the prosecutor can do?

I think he's an odious buffoon but if we call on the rule of law for all, maybe he's got a point (just shamefully expressed)?

The CC is not revoking his bail, it is petitioning the court which granted bail to review it in light of his actions, which appear to contravene his bail conditions. He has continually breached bail conditions since it was granted, perhaps relying on his former MP status to protect him.

Thanks OzMick, that makes more sense, appreciate the clarification.

So do you think that is a normal action, using a legal team from the constitutional court to petition the criminal court to revoke bail of an individual?

I don't know that's why I put a question mark there

Do you know? If so please help me understand if, as Jatuporn is saying, that the CC breached protocol in a non legal way.

I don't think we can use the word "normal" with anything related to Thai politics.

[GentlemanJim]

If I was a CC judge having to put up with having having my private phone numbers handed to the public inciting hate calls and intimidation, I would be inclined to remind another court that the terms of bail had been broached for sure. Yingluck hasn't enough spine to reprimand the Reds and some of them are bang out of order.

Well apart from the fact that Jaturporn had nothing to do with the names/adresses nonsense and looking at the situation non emotionally and from a legal viewpoint, is it normal legal practise for a constitutional court to use its legal team to press for bail revocation in a criminal court?

The thing is phiphidon, you are unable to look at these things 'non emotionally'. If you want to look at it all 'non emotionally', then simply ask yourself these questions

Has Jatuporn broken the condition of bail where he was not supposed to speak at any public political gathering of people?

Has Jatuporn broken his bail condition in that he was not supposed to incite a crowd to violence in particular towards elected officials or appointed officials?

Is Jatuporn still under protection of privileged statues as an MP?

The conclusion to all the questions is that Jatuporn HAS broken his bail conditions and should be locked up behind bars. What does it matter who reported him and complained? He should be in jail, no excuses.

[phiphidon]

I don't know that's why I put a question mark there

Do you know? If so please help me understand if, as Jatuporn is saying, that the CC breached protocol in a non legal way.

I don't think we can use the word "normal" with anything related to Thai politics.

Fair enough, I don't know, but I don't think it's "normal" - there is a seperation of the 4 courts as they each have their "specialities". It appears to me that the CC are going beyond the seperation between the courts to get jaturporns bail revoked.

I'm not aware for instance that the CC has ever set their legal team on revoking the bail of Sondhi for example, or even a non political person, so why just this "one off", that's why I question it.

[phiphidon]

If I was a CC judge having to put up with having having my private phone numbers handed to the public inciting hate calls and intimidation, I would be inclined to remind another court that the terms of bail had been broached for sure. Yingluck hasn't enough spine to reprimand the Reds and some of them are bang out of order.

Well apart from the fact that Jaturporn had nothing to do with the names/adresses nonsense and looking at the situation non emotionally and from a legal viewpoint, is it normal legal practise for a constitutional court to use its legal team to press for bail revocation in a criminal court?

The thing is phiphidon, you are unable to look at these things 'non emotionally'. If you want to look at it all 'non emotionally', then simply ask yourself these questions

Has Jatuporn broken the condition of bail where he was not supposed to speak at any public political gathering of people?

Has Jatuporn broken his bail condition in that he was not supposed to incite a crowd to violence in particular towards elected officials or appointed officials?

Is Jatuporn still under protection of privileged statues as an MP?

The conclusion to all the questions is that Jatuporn HAS broken his bail conditions and should be locked up behind bars. What does it matter who reported him and complained? He should be in jail, no excuses.

Please put me down if I ever get emotional over jaturporn! I just question the reasons for the CC to get involved, see post #93. Once the CC start overstepping boundaries who is there to stop them - it's partially why there is such a fuss over the charter amendment bill, they seem to be making up the rules as they go along.

[Mitker]

Great! Do it Poporn. Until the end.

But don't bother to keep us updated about it.

[weka]

I don't know that's why I put a question mark there

Do you know? If so please help me understand if, as Jatuporn is saying, that the CC breached protocol in a non legal way.

I don't think we can use the word "normal" with anything related to Thai politics.

Fair enough, I don't know, but I don't think it's "normal" - there is a seperation of the 4 courts as they each have their "specialities". It appears to me that the CC are going beyond the seperation between the courts to get jaturporns bail revoked.

I'm not aware for instance that the CC has ever set their legal team on revoking the bail of Sondhi for example, or even a non political person, so why just this "one off", that's why I question it.

Thanks for your reply.

I guess another situation in Thai Politics where the ends is seen to justify the means. I was just puzzled why many, including Chalerm first went for the "out of your jurisdiction" claim. They then followed up with the were you REALLY threatened? usual backpedalling smokescreen. In the absence of any obvious morals or codes of conduct, I believe following the rule of law to be the only alternative before anarchy truly reigns supreme.

If Jatuporn is correct, all power to him. If not I hope he somehow disappears as he serves no value to the Thai people in my opinion, (well perhaps one Thai person...)

Edited June 26, 2012 by weka

[animatic]

quote name='weka' timestamp='1340683324' post='5428345'

But is he perhaps correct with his assertions that the CC cannot revoke his bail?

There's been a lot of people saying that the CC is out of its jurisdiction on this and yet nobody claiming it's correct. There's some talk of him threatening the CC judges, and that's up for conjecture but can the CC do what the PTP claims only the prosecutor can do?

I think he's an odious buffoon but if we call on the rule of law for all, maybe he's got a point (just shamefully expressed)?

The CC is not revoking his bail, it is petitioning the court which granted bail to review it in light of his actions, which appear to contravene his bail conditions. He has continually breached bail conditions since it was granted, perhaps relying on his former MP status to protect him.

Thanks OzMick, that makes more sense, appreciate the clarification.

So do you think that is a normal action, using a legal team from the constitutional court to petition the criminal court to revoke bail of an individual?

If I was a CC judge having to put up with having having my private phone numbers handed to the public inciting hate calls and intimidation, I would be inclined to remind another court that the terms of bail had been broached for sure. Yingluck hasn't enough spine to reprimand the Reds and some of them are bang out of order.

Basically it is the guys your rulings get reviewed by saying

'We do NOT like your current ruling'.

And of course they can in future, make the lower court judges cases

go different ways if they chose to, fully legally.

Smooth sailing or mucho extra work.

Send them back down, throw them out with strongly-worded, face-losing comments,

or just overturn them, or give them proper hearing because there is no animosity.

Appellate court judges have this situation both above and below them.

They know that they hold this card over the lower judges, and the upper judges over them.

It may, or may not, be detrimental to the law or the defendants to do this,

but it is SOP in most nations multi-level court systems.

Edited June 26, 2012 by animatic

[Moruya]

If I was a CC judge having to put up with having having my private phone numbers handed to the public inciting hate calls and intimidation, I would be inclined to remind another court that the terms of bail had been broached for sure. Yingluck hasn't enough spine to reprimand the Reds and some of them are bang out of order.

Well apart from the fact that Jaturporn had nothing to do with the names/adresses nonsense and looking at the situation non emotionally and from a legal viewpoint, is it normal legal practise for a constitutional court to use its legal team to press for bail revocation in a criminal court?

The thing is phiphidon, you are unable to look at these things 'non emotionally'. If you want to look at it all 'non emotionally', then simply ask yourself these questions

Has Jatuporn broken the condition of bail where he was not supposed to speak at any public political gathering of people?

Has Jatuporn broken his bail condition in that he was not supposed to incite a crowd to violence in particular towards elected officials or appointed officials?

Is Jatuporn still under protection of privileged statues as an MP?

The conclusion to all the questions is that Jatuporn HAS broken his bail conditions and should be locked up behind bars. What does it matter who reported him and complained? He should be in jail, no excuses.

He suggested the murder of Abhisit and Suthep as I recall. An offence all by itself in most societies

[OzMick]

If I was to stand up in front of any group in Oz and make even insinuations of threats against any judge, let alone superior court versions, I'm quite sure that I would have to explain my words to another judge in rapid order.

If I happened to be on bail for terrorism related charges at the time, I am again quite sure that I would be explaining those words while wearing a prison uniform.

If I was in the US at the time, I would be reluctant to make anything that sounded like a threat against a judge even in a private phone call or e-mail.

Well and truly about time that some people realised that having your side win an election doesn't put you above the law - not always, anyway.

[phiphidon]

He suggested the murder of Abhisit and Suthep as I recall. An offence all by itself in most societies

OK, I'll ask, when did he suggest the murder of abhisit and suthep?

[Moruya]

If I was a CC judge having to put up with having having my private phone numbers handed to the public inciting hate calls and intimidation, I would be inclined to remind another court that the terms of bail had been broached for sure. Yingluck hasn't enough spine to reprimand the Reds and some of them are bang out of order.

Well apart from the fact that Jaturporn had nothing to do with the names/adresses nonsense and looking at the situation non emotionally and from a legal viewpoint, is it normal legal practise for a constitutional court to use its legal team to press for bail revocation in a criminal court?

The thing is phiphidon, you are unable to look at these things 'non emotionally'. If you want to look at it all 'non emotionally', then simply ask yourself these questions

Has Jatuporn broken the condition of bail where he was not supposed to speak at any public political gathering of people?

Has Jatuporn broken his bail condition in that he was not supposed to incite a crowd to violence in particular towards elected officials or appointed officials?

Is Jatuporn still under protection of privileged statues as an MP?

The conclusion to all the questions is that Jatuporn HAS broken his bail conditions and should be locked up behind bars. What does it matter who reported him and complained? He should be in jail, no excuses.

Please put me down if I ever get emotional over jaturporn! I just question the reasons for the CC to get involved, see post #93. Once the CC start overstepping boundaries who is there to stop them - it's partially why there is such a fuss over the charter amendment bill, they seem to be making up the rules as they go along.

I think it's his rebelious chubbiness that does it for you!

[Moruya]

If I was a CC judge having to put up with having having my private phone numbers handed to the public inciting hate calls and intimidation, I would be inclined to remind another court that the terms of bail had been broached for sure. Yingluck hasn't enough spine to reprimand the Reds and some of them are bang out of order.

Well apart from the fact that Jaturporn had nothing to do with the names/adresses nonsense and looking at the situation non emotionally and from a legal viewpoint, is it normal legal practise for a constitutional court to use its legal team to press for bail revocation in a criminal court?

Jatuporn was at the same rally - defaming the same judges.

[Bagwan]

Today, in Thai news...

Jutaporn declares he will "scweam and scweam until he is sithk" if he doesn't get his own way...

Also in the news, Thousands cheer as they misunderstand the news, thinking Jutaporn has returned to jail

As lisped by Violet Elizabeth Bott in the' Just William' series.

[Bagwan]

I just did a little checking back through the forum.

Our boy Jatuporn is a busy lad, at least his mouth is.

Threatens, warns, says, claims, even forgives.

No wonder everyone takes him so seriously, he's an intellectual force to be reckoned with.

Jatuporn Threatens Hunger Strike If Bail Revoked

Started by Lite Beer, Today, 13:55

Jatuporn Threatens To Sue Constitution Court

Started by webfact, 2012-06-22 16:46

Jatuporn Warns Of Bigger Rallies Ahead

Started by Lite Beer, 2011-02-20 07:21

Jatuporn 'Forgives' Chalong As The Two Reconcile

Started by webfact, 2012-05-12 06:43

Jatuporn Says He Ready For Cabinet Seat

Started by webfact, 2012-05-02 15:56

Jatuporn, Suthep Battle Over 2010 Crackdown: Thai Charter Amendment

Started by webfact, 2012-02-25 05:02

Jatuporn May Lose MP Status Over Invalid Pheu Thai Party Membership

Started by webfact, 2011-12-02 05:45

Jatuporn To Sue 154 Democrat MPs Over Censure Claims

Started by webfact, 2011-11-29 05:42

Jatuporn Claims That Floods Are Politically Motivated

Started by webfact, 2011-10-21 11:11

Jatuporn Claims Attempt To Overthrow Thai Govt

Started by webfact, 2011-09-01 16:13

Jatuporn Warns Of Bigger Rallies Ahead

Started by Lite Beer, 2011-02-20 07:21

Get up to date. You missed "I'll sue anybody who says that I threatened to go on hunger strike."

[phiphidon]

If I was a CC judge having to put up with having having my private phone numbers handed to the public inciting hate calls and intimidation, I would be inclined to remind another court that the terms of bail had been broached for sure. Yingluck hasn't enough spine to reprimand the Reds and some of them are bang out of order.

Well apart from the fact that Jaturporn had nothing to do with the names/adresses nonsense and looking at the situation non emotionally and from a legal viewpoint, is it normal legal practise for a constitutional court to use its legal team to press for bail revocation in a criminal court?

Jatuporn was at the same rally - defaming the same judges.

You keep on posting these throwaway lines and not one of them have you backed with any kind of evidence. To date you have accused Jaturporn of giving out the names and addresses of the CC judges, calling for the murder of abhisit and suthep and now he was "defaming" the judges. He's been a busy boy hasn't he?

What next, your dog died and it's because jatuporn put a spell on it..................?

[OzMick]

"When you look at the dark side, careful you must be. For the dark side looks back." Yoda

[GentlemanJim]

If I was a CC judge having to put up with having having my private phone numbers handed to the public inciting hate calls and intimidation, I would be inclined to remind another court that the terms of bail had been broached for sure. Yingluck hasn't enough spine to reprimand the Reds and some of them are bang out of order.

Well apart from the fact that Jaturporn had nothing to do with the names/adresses nonsense and looking at the situation non emotionally and from a legal viewpoint, is it normal legal practise for a constitutional court to use its legal team to press for bail revocation in a criminal court?

Jatuporn was at the same rally - defaming the same judges.

You keep on posting these throwaway lines and not one of them have you backed with any kind of evidence. To date you have accused Jaturporn of giving out the names and addresses of the CC judges, calling for the murder of abhisit and suthep and now he was "defaming" the judges. He's been a busy boy hasn't he?

What next, your dog died and it's because jatuporn put a spell on it..................?

No, he ate it in anticipation of his 12 hour hunger strike.

[daboyz1]

LOLOLOL!!!!^^^

[Arkady]

He is not to be trusted. He would only pretend to be on a hunger strike just he pretended to be roughing it with the red shirts at Ratchprasong while he was actually kipping and eating in the Grand Hyatt Erawan and having meetings in an air conditioned container. There would be a steady stream of motor bikes from 5 star hotels and restaurants arriving at the prison and the guards would be bribed to support his BS story.

[AleG]

He suggested the murder of Abhisit and Suthep as I recall. An offence all by itself in most societies

OK, I'll ask, when did he suggest the murder of abhisit and suthep?

When he said both should join the 90+ dead from 2010 "protest" in a speech last week.

[animatic]

If I was a CC judge having to put up with having having my private phone numbers handed to the public inciting hate calls and intimidation, I would be inclined to remind another court that the terms of bail had been broached for sure. Yingluck hasn't enough spine to reprimand the Reds and some of them are bang out of order.

Well apart from the fact that Jaturporn had nothing to do with the names/adresses nonsense and looking at the situation non emotionally and from a legal viewpoint, is it normal legal practise for a constitutional court to use its legal team to press for bail revocation in a criminal court?

Jatuporn was at the same rally - defaming the same judges.

You keep on posting these throwaway lines and not one of them have you backed with any kind of evidence. To date you have accused Jaturporn of giving out the names and addresses of the CC judges, calling for the murder of abhisit and suthep and now he was "defaming" the judges. He's been a busy boy hasn't he?

What next, your dog died and it's because jatuporn put a spell on it..................?

If Jatuporn is not guilty of conspiracy, then no one in Thailand knows the definition of the word.

You think these guys don't have back stage group meetings to make sure they are on point as a unit?

Convicted, not yet, obviously done it; sure,

nothing suports any other conclusion.

Edited June 27, 2012 by animatic

[ableguy]

Hope the gob sh***** t does, what a clown this idiot is but is still viewed by some as a future cabinet member or at least an mp.

[phiphidon]

He suggested the murder of Abhisit and Suthep as I recall. An offence all by itself in most societies

OK, I'll ask, when did he suggest the murder of abhisit and suthep?

When he said both should join the 90+ dead from 2010 "protest" in a speech last week.

Thank you, a link?

[AleG]

He suggested the murder of Abhisit and Suthep as I recall. An offence all by itself in most societies

OK, I'll ask, when did he suggest the murder of abhisit and suthep?

When he said both should join the 90+ dead from 2010 "protest" in a speech last week.

Thank you, a link?

No link, not everything that happens in the world is appended a URL.

[waza]

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

It is heartening to see that members of the CC have the balls to do something.

[harrry]

He can go on a hunger strike. His fellow prisoners will appreciate the extra rations.

[longway]

He suggested the murder of Abhisit and Suthep as I recall. An offence all by itself in most societies

OK, I'll ask, when did he suggest the murder of abhisit and suthep?

When he said both should join the 90+ dead from 2010 "protest" in a speech last week.

Thank you, a link?

He also wished they were dead or something along those lines in his speech during Thaksin's its all about me me me rally in Cambodia. Its reported by Nick Nolitz on New Mandala.

[steveromagnino]

With the highest concern for his health, I would strongly recommend that Jatuporn would go on a diet or hunger strike.

He is clearly unable to manage his weight, and I am very concerned that his inability to exercise self control in exercise and diet plus his decision to live a high stress lifestyle may result in long term health issues.

It would be a great shame were he unable to remain healthy enough to one day prove how capable he is at helping others, because to date while he has been delivering fierce speeches, which anyone can do, actions speak louder than words and we have yet to see much actual action. Especially when it has been much the same speech given in different ways for 4 years now.

For anyone who is close to him, please relay the message that I am quite happy to provide some dietary assistance, perhaps Atkins or a combination of hunger strike and exercise, that may yet be able to assist him in proving that he can look after his own calorie intake to the point of not risking placing himself as a burden to the state in future when he suffers substantial health issues.

And unlike many members of organised protests, I do this out of the goodness of my heart, so the only payment I wish to receive is a smile, and perhaps a thank you, but even then, I do it for him, not for my own personal profit.

I have a wide range of whey protien supplements and other items assembled, ready and waiting, to burn Bangkok, no I mean, burn Jatuporn's calorie intake....to the ground.

Edited June 27, 2012 by steveromagnino

[Moruya]

In news today I see that in preparation for the possibility of Jatuporn being imprisoned once again, his stable mate, Chankwai has accused the army of planning a coup.

Also in the new I see that PM Yingluck "Presides" over a flood meeting. Getting the large gilded seat ready for big bruv?

"ASEAN to gear up for possible emergencies with food safety strategy" there is a worry across the region on the impact of Jatuporn's hunger strike

"Yongyuth on Jatuporn going to Constitution court: He doesn't pressure the court but only exercise his legal right" yeah, right.

[Siripon]

With the highest concern for his health, I would strongly recommend that Jatuporn would go on a diet or hunger strike.

He is clearly unable to manage his weight, and I am very concerned that his inability to exercise self control in exercise and diet plus his decision to live a high stress lifestyle may result in long term health issues.

It would be a great shame were he unable to remain healthy enough to one day prove how capable he is at helping others, because to date while he has been delivering fierce speeches, which anyone can do, actions speak louder than words and we have yet to see much actual action. Especially when it has been much the same speech given in different ways for 4 years now.

For anyone who is close to him, please relay the message that I am quite happy to provide some dietary assistance, perhaps Atkins or a combination of hunger strike and exercise, that may yet be able to assist him in proving that he can look after his own calorie intake to the point of not risking placing himself as a burden to the state in future when he suffers substantial health issues.

And unlike many members of organised protests, I do this out of the goodness of my heart, so the only payment I wish to receive is a smile, and perhaps a thank you, but even then, I do it for him, not for my own personal profit.

I have a wide range of whey protien supplements and other items assembled, ready and waiting, to burn Bangkok, no I mean, burn Jatuporn's calorie intake....to the ground.

Steve, I think we have to admire Jatuporn for refusing to take the easy path and swallow 'Fitne' or some similar product, but rather deciding to go the natural route and cease eating.

His self sacrifice in the desire for self promotion will surely go down In the history books..

Never in the field of Thai politics will have so many calories been sacrificed by such a fool for so little purpose.