Farang Gets A Kicking By Some Thai Birds

[edwinclapham]

I really dont get this obsequious way you have of saying "only a tourist"!

I was bought up in Thailand yet now live elsewhere, yet when I come home to Nong Khai I never class myself as a tourist.

For me the definition of a tourist is someone coming into a country and doing the sights. With TB having his good lady in CM and perpetual accompanying visits would hardly class him as a tourist in my books... he also is coming back to his second home.

My father is on a 90 day reporting, much the same as most, yet he has lived for decades in Thailand and classes himself a guest in Thailand.

Nothing more or nothing less.

I havent read anywhere that you are a citizen of the Kingdom Tommo, hence as far as I am concerned you remain a guest/tourist in my books.

Tourists don't live here full-time and can't speak the language.

Tourists meet hookers in hooker hang outs and claim they are with respectable girls.

While not a Thai citizen myself, I have created Thai citizens, and will continue to create more.

I think this thread is most appropriate http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/566204-old-expats-in-thailand-possible-hell-on-earth/

Yes I have created Thai citizens also, along with thousands of others, we are not in the minority.

[TommoPhysicist]

Yes I have created Thai citizens also, along with thousands of others, we are not in the minority.

And I've never claimed you are a tourist!

Unlike TB who is clearly a tourist.

Edited June 30, 2012 by TommoPhysicist

[chrisinth]

To me, there seems to be two distinct camps in regards to Thai women, one camp is of the opinion that every single one of them is available for a price, and look on the other camp with disdain for believing that any Thai woman would want to be with them for anything other than money.

The second camp recognizes the existence of said women, but can see beyond that and understand that there are millions upon millions of Thai woman that cannot be bought at any price, and they look at the first camp with disdain and disgust.

I'm pinning my mast to the second camp..............I was not joking earlier when I said we had to squeeze past the sweaty old mongers to get to the dance floor at Spicy. These guys were salivating over the tattooed brigade, and anyone who was ever in Spicy can now easily recall a mental image of the Loi Kroh girls dancing on the raised platform, while the mongers picked them off one by one.

This is the world the mongers created for themselves, and because they created it, they cannot believe there is any other type of world out there. It's a damaging self delusion, which leads these guys to entrench themselves in their belief that they are the keepers of the secrets of Thai womanhood.

It's you guys that have wrecked the reputation of Thailand, you guys that carry the stories of depravity back to your home countries, you guys that create new customers by encouraging your pals to travel to Thailand to follow in your footsteps, it's you guys that feed the monster, and the monsters diet is poverty stricken uneducated young women.

Then you have the cheek to complain when these women are taught by the monster how to bite back.

I pity you guys, you think you are Thai experts, I know I am not, but I do know this........................there are millions of visitors to Thailand every year that don't take away your image of the country. There are millions of Thais who are repulsed by you, and you are notorious worldwide.

You have brought it to the point where good people are reluctant to travel to Thailand because of the cesspits you have created. You have contributed to bring the name of Thailand down.

Trust me, yes there are plenty of you guys, but you don't own the secret of Thai women...........because decent Thai women wouldn't be seen dead with you. If you truly believe that every single Thai / farang marriage is a falsehood base upon money, then you are beyond redemption. You don't deserve scorn, you deserve the same pity as the village idiots.

I'm getting sick of the amount of misogynistic crap I'm reading on this forum, some of you guys here are needing help, your attitude to women in general is disgraceful, and to Thai women in particular, shameful. Your an embarrassment to all the decent members of this forum.

regards

theblether

ps. my apologies to the mods for being so direct on this matter

Well Blether, looks like you have come out with another pearl of wisdom, well written!

If I could just add my tuppence worth. I have been on both sides of the fence here in Thailand, and am not afraid to say this. But I have never, deliberately or to my knowledge, belittled or berated any of the girls, always treated with respect everyone from the battle-hardened fire breathing girls to the bank manageresses. I have never deliberately lied to or tried to con anyone (again to the best of my knowledge) except for maybe thinking I was funny when I was p1ssed or not turning out to be the stud I was bragging about earlier..

I guess that was how I was brought up.

The problem I see from some peoples attitudes runs to uneducation of the country and locale. It is easily done; I used to think that the whole of Thailand was the same as Pattaya, because Pattaya was all I ever saw. When you associate with the same crowd everyday you will eventually adopt the general attitude of that group: it is the nature of the beast.

Anyway, my story is that I partied for 10 years (not living here full time for the whole period) and have been married for coming up to 14 years. Loved every minute of the first 10, loving every minute of the past 14 even more. And so as not to burst anyone's bubble, no she wasn't a bar girl.

The video (even though it is years old) shows uneducation and a blatent disregard for the girl, whatever way you look at it. Did he deserve the kicking? Yes he did; never ever take someone at face value and assume you have the right to abuse them either verbally (propositioning) or physically (groping).

[bonobo]

This entire thread has devolved into a back-and-forth of who knows what and who is wrong.

Please keep off the personal attacks and keep on topic, or at least partially on topic, or the thread will be closed.

[theblether]

@ChrisinTh

Thanks very much, I recognize what you are saying about Pattaya, my first trip was to Pattaya and I've never been back. I don't regret visiting Patts, I thoroughly enjoyed many things about the town, but it's not for me. A female friend recommended Chiang Mai to me and she was right, and since then I have discovered that going even further North is one of the delights of my life.

I totally agree with you though, it doesn't matter if you are interacting with ladies of the night or with bank managers, you have to maintain the fundamental decency instilled in you by your upbringing. Some people end up on a slippery slope of disrespect and they never get off it, one day they reach the bottom and look around themselves and ask, how did it come to this? It came to this because you lost your grip on your self respect. It's not unique to Thailand, far from it, I know many a story of people around me who fell into that trap.

You saw that, and you walked away Chris, and your life changed immeasurably. To me, it's the mark of a man that he can hold his hands up, and say, stop the bus, I'm getting off. Trust me, I have had to do that several times in the past myself. I am no saint, but like you, thank God my parents taught me responsibility and respect, cos anytime I hit that slippery slope, it's those values that pull me back off it before I hit the bottom.

Thank God for good parents.

[theblether]

This entire thread has devolved into a back-and-forth of who knows what and who is wrong.

Please keep off the personal attacks and keep on topic, or at least partially on topic, or the thread will be closed.

It doesn't matter if I'm a tourist, an expat, a regular visitor ( that's actually what I class myself as ) or a Martian, I've learned one thing about Thailand. Grope a Thai woman and your gonna get your head kicked in.

Quite right too I say.

[billd766]

We went ashore in Fort Butterworth one night with an Aussie who'd never been foreign before. He didn't drink until he met us either. He grabbed the arse of a ladyboy. She turned round and knocked him out with one punch

My pal was in the merchant navy during the 68-82, he said that Boogie Street in Singapore was legendary, he tells some hilarious stories of guys fumbling about down there.

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I was there in 1968 to 71 with the RAF and yes it was legendary, also great fun.

Ah the good old days.

[Johnniey]

This entire thread has devolved into a back-and-forth of who knows what and who is wrong.

Please keep off the personal attacks and keep on topic, or at least partially on topic, or the thread will be closed.

It doesn't matter if I'm a tourist, an expat, a regular visitor ( that's actually what I class myself as ) or a Martian, I've learned one thing about Thailand. Grope a Thai woman and your gonna get your head kicked in.

Quite right too I say.

Wait a minute - these are not normal Thai women.

To grope a woman in any country is a terrible crime but

These women a criminals in a criminal city (by CHOICE) that are bring the law into their own hands. The irony of it - look at where they are and the way they are dressed.

They are looking to get 500 baht by giving oral sex to big fat Gunther, or whoever, yet resort to this thugish behaviour because of what?

Like I have always said - that brothell city - the Thais and foreigner deserve each other.

[theblether]

This entire thread has devolved into a back-and-forth of who knows what and who is wrong.

Please keep off the personal attacks and keep on topic, or at least partially on topic, or the thread will be closed.

It doesn't matter if I'm a tourist, an expat, a regular visitor ( that's actually what I class myself as ) or a Martian, I've learned one thing about Thailand. Grope a Thai woman and your gonna get your head kicked in.

Quite right too I say.

Wait a minute - these are not normal Thai women.

To grope a woman in any country is a terrible crime but

These women a criminals in a criminal city (by CHOICE) that are bring the law into their own hands. The irony of it - look at where they are and the way they are dressed.

They are looking to get 500 baht by giving oral sex to big fat Gunther, or whoever, yet resort to this thugish behaviour because of what?

Like I have always said - that brothell city - the Thais and foreigner deserve each other.

So merely by definition, to be female and in Pattaya, you cannot be a normal woman and you deserve to be groped???.

I'm not buying that.

[kerryk]

This entire thread has devolved into a back-and-forth of who knows what and who is wrong.

Please keep off the personal attacks and keep on topic, or at least partially on topic, or the thread will be closed.

It doesn't matter if I'm a tourist, an expat, a regular visitor ( that's actually what I class myself as ) or a Martian, I've learned one thing about Thailand. Grope a Thai woman and your gonna get your head kicked in.

Quite right too I say.

Wait a minute - these are not normal Thai women.

To grope a woman in any country is a terrible crime but

These women a criminals in a criminal city (by CHOICE) that are bring the law into their own hands. The irony of it - look at where they are and the way they are dressed.

They are looking to get 500 baht by giving oral sex to big fat Gunther, or whoever, yet resort to this thugish behaviour because of what?

Like I have always said - that brothell city - the Thais and foreigner deserve each other.

What a disgusting post. Makes my fingers feel dirty even typing a response. You should be ashamed.

[GreenSnapper]

So merely by definition, to be female and in Pattaya, you cannot be a normal woman and you deserve to be groped???.

I'm not buying that.

Nobody deserves to be groped against his will.

Not a woman and not a man.

But those of you, who promote excessive violence against men, are actually worse than a groper.

This guy could easily end up disabled or even dead.

[maxme]

So merely by definition, to be female and in Pattaya, you cannot be a normal woman and you deserve to be groped???.

I'm not buying that.

Nobody deserves to be groped against his will.

Not a woman and not a man.

But those of you, who promote excessive violence against men, are actually worse than a groper.

This guy could easily end up disabled or even dead.

True but does the law help these women or is it each and everyone for themselves here?

If someone came and grabbed your mom by the "noms", I guess you would tell him kindly to remove his hands or?

Edited June 30, 2012 by maxme

[TommoPhysicist]

If someone came and grabbed your mom by the "noms", I guess you would tell him kindly to remove his hands or?

I'd ask mum why she was in a street full of prostitutes and ladyboys first ......... which is what the video showed.

If you walk around in a warzone, not much point in complaining if you get shot.

[Johnniey]

If someone came and grabbed your mom by the "noms", I guess you would tell him kindly to remove his hands or?

I'd ask mum why she was in a street full of prostitutes and ladyboys first ......... which is what the video showed.

If you walk around in a warzone, not much point in complaining if you get shot.

Exactly Tommy

These girls' customers are naive tourists and sex addicts. Why on earth would I want to defend the actions of such criminals. The tourists probably don't realise that prostitution is illegal and the sexpats don't care or justify their addiction by calling them bar girls.

[theblether]

So merely by definition, to be female and in Pattaya, you cannot be a normal woman and you deserve to be groped???.

I'm not buying that.

Nobody deserves to be groped against his will.

Not a woman and not a man.

But those of you, who promote excessive violence against men, are actually worse than a groper.

This guy could easily end up disabled or even dead.

Be fair, no one is suggesting the guy ends up permanently damaged.

[kerryk]

So merely by definition, to be female and in Pattaya, you cannot be a normal woman and you deserve to be groped???.

I'm not buying that.

Nobody deserves to be groped against his will.

Not a woman and not a man.

But those of you, who promote excessive violence against men, are actually worse than a groper.

This guy could easily end up disabled or even dead.

True but does the law help these women or is it each and everyone for themselves here?

If someone came and grabbed your mom by the "noms", I guess you would tell him kindly to remove his hands or?

Of course the police protect these women. If a punter does not pay a bar girl the police will collect. If a man gropes a woman on walking street the police will arrest and charge the person. Numerous cases of this every year in Pattaya newspapers. Last one I remember was at Lucifer's I think. It was quite a large fine as I remember.

[StreetCowboy]

...Wait a minute - these are not normal Thai women.

To grope a woman in any country is a terrible crime but

These women a criminals in a criminal city (by CHOICE) that are bring the law into their own hands. The irony of it - look at where they are and the way they are dressed.

They are looking to get 500 baht by giving oral sex to big fat Gunther, or whoever, yet resort to this thugish behaviour because of what?

Like I have always said - that brothell city - the Thais and foreigner deserve each other.

If someone came and grabbed your mom by the "noms", I guess you would tell him kindly to remove his hands or?

I'd ask mum why she was in a street full of prostitutes and ladyboys first ......... which is what the video showed.

If you walk around in a warzone, not much point in complaining if you get shot.

Exactly Tommy

These girls' customers are naive tourists and sex addicts. Why on earth would I want to defend the actions of such criminals. The tourists probably don't realise that prostitution is illegal and the sexpats don't care or justify their addiction by calling them bar girls.

I think we've been through this before, and if I recall correctly, prostitution is no more illegal in Thailand than it is in the UK.

I find it sad that our forum is so populated with ignorant spleen-mongers, but I don't wish them any ill or violence.

If you genuinely feel that some of our fellows suffer from an addiction, then they are to be pitied in their sickness, not villified and persecuted. Is that how you treat cancer victims? Or those with TB? Or the mentally handicapped?

SC

[StreetCowboy]

So merely by definition, to be female and in Pattaya, you cannot be a normal woman and you deserve to be groped???.

I'm not buying that.

Nobody deserves to be groped against his will.

Not a woman and not a man.

But those of you, who promote excessive violence against men, are actually worse than a groper.

This guy could easily end up disabled or even dead.

Be fair, no one is suggesting the guy ends up permanently damaged.

That's what happens when you get hyour head kicked in - when you are recklessly assaulted. Or are you saying that in this instance, the attackers were showing restraint and considering the risk of injury to the recipient

SC

[smokie36]

The issue is one of consent. If you don't have that then keep your hands to yourself. Pretty simple and basic stuff even when drunk most of us understand it.

Makes no difference what a girl is wearing or the street she is standing on in my view.

[theblether]

Or those with TB?

Do you mind, it's not that bad being with me

[kerryk]

So merely by definition, to be female and in Pattaya, you cannot be a normal woman and you deserve to be groped???.

I'm not buying that.

Nobody deserves to be groped against his will.

Not a woman and not a man.

But those of you, who promote excessive violence against men, are actually worse than a groper.

This guy could easily end up disabled or even dead.

Be fair, no one is suggesting the guy ends up permanently damaged.

That's what happens when you get hyour head kicked in - when you are recklessly assaulted. Or are you saying that in this instance, the attackers were showing restraint and considering the risk of injury to the recipient

SC

Moot point actually. It was a very old video. Now we have the TPV there to keep order. Besides now the girls know they make a bundle by reporting it and cashing in at the police station.

[maxme]

If someone came and grabbed your mom by the "noms", I guess you would tell him kindly to remove his hands or?

I'd ask mum why she was in a street full of prostitutes and ladyboys first ......... which is what the video showed.

If you walk around in a warzone, not much point in complaining if you get shot.

Right as this hasn't happened in the so called "normal" areas. How about Song Kran when a lot of the young Thai guys go out just to grope the women? I guess that's what you define as a warzone as well.

[maxme]

So merely by definition, to be female and in Pattaya, you cannot be a normal woman and you deserve to be groped???.

I'm not buying that.

Nobody deserves to be groped against his will.

Not a woman and not a man.

But those of you, who promote excessive violence against men, are actually worse than a groper.

This guy could easily end up disabled or even dead.

True but does the law help these women or is it each and everyone for themselves here?

If someone came and grabbed your mom by the "noms", I guess you would tell him kindly to remove his hands or?

Of course the police protect these women. If a punter does not pay a bar girl the police will collect. If a man gropes a woman on walking street the police will arrest and charge the person. Numerous cases of this every year in Pattaya newspapers. Last one I remember was at Lucifer's I think. It was quite a large fine as I remember.

It also may have to do with in which area this occuring as well.

[theblether]

So merely by definition, to be female and in Pattaya, you cannot be a normal woman and you deserve to be groped???.

I'm not buying that.

Nobody deserves to be groped against his will.

Not a woman and not a man.

But those of you, who promote excessive violence against men, are actually worse than a groper.

This guy could easily end up disabled or even dead.

Be fair, no one is suggesting the guy ends up permanently damaged.

That's what happens when you get hyour head kicked in - when you are recklessly assaulted. Or are you saying that in this instance, the attackers were showing restraint and considering the risk of injury to the recipient

SC

In an ideal world said incident would not have happened, in an ideal world people would not resort to violence.

When you find that ideal world let me know, and I'll join you in it.

In the meantime, in the real world, anyone groping a Thai woman is liable to get this response. So if there are any newbies or guests reading this topic, that are contemplating their first holiday in Thailand, take account of this advice.

1 Keep your hands to yourself

2 Don't fight in Thailand.

As simple as that

[maxme]

If someone came and grabbed your mom by the "noms", I guess you would tell him kindly to remove his hands or?

I'd ask mum why she was in a street full of prostitutes and ladyboys first ......... which is what the video showed.

If you walk around in a warzone, not much point in complaining if you get shot.

Exactly Tommy

These girls' customers are naive tourists and sex addicts. Why on earth would I want to defend the actions of such criminals. The tourists probably don't realise that prostitution is illegal and the sexpats don't care or justify their addiction by calling them bar girls.

There are more than a few of these areas who happen to be in between places. So if you are going straight through one of these areas instead of going around them, then you're automatically a sexpat?

Edited June 30, 2012 by maxme

[kerryk]

Tourist Police detained Mr. Kid Nordberg aged 47 from Sweden who had arrived in Thailand earlier on Wednesday. He confirmed to Police that he had touched the woman’s rear end after exiting the toilets. He immediately apologized to the victim who was adamant that he be taken to Pattaya Police Station for charging.

Upon arrival at Pattaya Police Station, Police Lieutenant Colonel Preecha took up the case and spoke with both the victim and the suspect. Khun Paemigar repeated to the officer that she wanted him charged with assault and would not settle for anything less.

From story on Thai Visa.

[kerryk]

If someone came and grabbed your mom by the "noms", I guess you would tell him kindly to remove his hands or?

I'd ask mum why she was in a street full of prostitutes and ladyboys first ......... which is what the video showed.

If you walk around in a warzone, not much point in complaining if you get shot.

Exactly Tommy

These girls' customers are naive tourists and sex addicts. Why on earth would I want to defend the actions of such criminals. The tourists probably don't realise that prostitution is illegal and the sexpats don't care or justify their addiction by calling them bar girls.

There are more than a few of these areas who happen to be in between places. So if you are going straight through one of these areas instead of going around them, then you're automatically a sexpat?

I take my hi so Thai wife to the Blues Factory on Walking street at least once a month. Also a block away to the Hoff to listen to opera and eat. She is not a sex pat.

[phuturatica]

I didn't even bother reading through all these comments. However I don't think anyone has a right to grope or touch a girl without their consent. If she is a hooker and she did consent then fair enough but if not, he deserved every punch and kick he got.

I see it happen all the time... Dirty foreign men come to Thailand and think that they can put their hands on whatever they please because they're in a country where they think it's acceptable. I have many female Thai friends who have had it happen in my company and it makes me furious. I also have no problem standing up for my Thai female friends and kicking the douchebag in the balls.

Your attitude is common.

The Western women who complain most about "being groped" are mostly those no man in his right mind would ever even think of groping. A good example are the "slut walks".

If I would have beaten down every ladyboy or hooker who has groped me in Walking Street, they had to build some more hospitals there. Fortunately, most men aren't as violent.

If you read my comment properly I wasn't really referring to Western women being groped. I was talking about my female Thai friends... All of whom are pretty respectable, well educated ladies and for the record... I NEVER hang out in gogo bars or any kind of bars where hookers are looking to pick up. Just not my thing or my kind of scene. I quite clearly didn't come to Thailand for that. I'm not sure I understood your comment properly so correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying that the only Western women who complain about being groped are those who are dressed like sluts and asking for it?!

[phuturatica]

I didn't even bother reading through all these comments. However I don't think anyone has a right to grope or touch a girl without their consent. If she is a hooker and she did consent then fair enough but if not, he deserved every punch and kick he got.

I see it happen all the time... Dirty foreign men come to Thailand and think that they can put their hands on whatever they please because they're in a country where they think it's acceptable. I have many female Thai friends who have had it happen in my company and it makes me furious. I also have no problem standing up for my Thai female friends and kicking the douchebag in the balls.

Where does this happen?

In bars that aren't gogo bars and have no hookers in them.

[kerryk]

I didn't even bother reading through all these comments. However I don't think anyone has a right to grope or touch a girl without their consent. If she is a hooker and she did consent then fair enough but if not, he deserved every punch and kick he got.

I see it happen all the time... Dirty foreign men come to Thailand and think that they can put their hands on whatever they please because they're in a country where they think it's acceptable. I have many female Thai friends who have had it happen in my company and it makes me furious. I also have no problem standing up for my Thai female friends and kicking the douchebag in the balls.

Your attitude is common.

The Western women who complain most about "being groped" are mostly those no man in his right mind would ever even think of groping. A good example are the "slut walks".

If I would have beaten down every ladyboy or hooker who has groped me in Walking Street, they had to build some more hospitals there. Fortunately, most men aren't as violent.

If you read my comment properly I wasn't really referring to Western women being groped. I was talking about my female Thai friends... All of whom are pretty respectable, well educated ladies and for the record... I NEVER hang out in gogo bars or any kind of bars where hookers are looking to pick up. Just not my thing or my kind of scene. I quite clearly didn't come to Thailand for that. I'm not sure I understood your comment properly so correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying that the only Western women who complain about being groped are those who are dressed like sluts and asking for it?!

So what club do you kick the guys in the balls in?