New Draconian Property Law To Deport Foreigners Who "Owns" Land Illegally

[Cheops]

One more reason to leave this country....i don't want to give just one more bath to this people!!!

Please go!

[annabel]

2 - Legal ways:

* Lease 30 years: Everybody has to know that you have NO garantee that the lease will be renewed after 30 years. After 30 years you may loose your good.

* Buy the land at the name of you thai wife, but if she is a prostitute, she will may ask 50% of the value of the house and leave.

Sorry Spellforce, but not totally correct... even IF she leave, YOU OWN NOTHING ... so forget the 50 percent. Same if your wife dies, property does not go to you, it goes straight to the family of your wife....except car etc, which is hopefully in your name BEFORE...after you will not have the chance to change the name in the book....same other way around, Thailaw

If you are not sure my fellow TV members, RENT is always kind of safer then buy.... YOU will NEVER own LAND in Thailand

Sorry, you`re wrong there, if your wife has a legal phi nai gam with you as the beneficiary you`ll recieve ownership of the property when she dies and have 180 days from when you receive the deeds to sell. We have one.

However - YOU dont own anything here....and you cant pack your house in the 180days and running away with it... so even in the 180 days you can and HAVE TO SALE because its not YOURs

Amd when people know that you are under pressure to sell within a time frame ... How much will you get at the end ...?? Peanuts!!

[Cheops]

Move to Cambodia, you can set up a company 100% in your name for $200 (for 99 years) and tax set up $300 (per year) and away you go.

And then you can make your business, and work in it unlike Thailand, where only Thais can work in your bar or other business.

Business visa $285 for 12 months with no visa runs.

Cambodians have a great sence of humour and they are not just after your cash, alot cheaper in Cambodia as well.

If you want a Cambodian passport with honoraray citizenship, no problem if you have $39,500 and then buy land in your name.

I do hear you can buy new built apartments in your own name now as well.

So what's holding you here then? The problem is that many of us have built a family and friends life (Thai friends!) in Thailand and you just don't move that easily to another country (well, maybe back to our home-country, but currently I feel that Thailand IS my homecountry).

Many people are complaining about Thais that they see foreigners as walking ATM's. I think many of you complaining people don't have real Thai friends and maybe living in 'nice' places such as Pattaya or Phuket. Yes, maybe in those places foreigners are seen as walking ATM's, but this is not the majority view of the Thais. Mostly people don't know this, but actually most Thais are not even aware that we foreigners can't own land! Many Thais have asked me why I don't buy a nice house etc.!

It's the elite Thai that tries to prevent foreigners from buying land with just one goal: so they can grab it! Nothing more, nothing less.

Edited June 30, 2012 by Cheops

[crazydrummerpauly]

if you had the money to meet the MM2H criteria you'd understand the difference.

My resources easily qualify me for the MM2H programme and my comprehension is excellent (and it is not dependent on my bank balance anyway).

What I am saying is that the total investment involved is a lot more than for the Thai retirement extension. Not just a little bit more but many, many times more.

If you are over 50, it basically comes down to 1.5 million Baht vs. 800K Baht. Plus monthly income, which you need anyway.

Too expensive for many, I agree. But you have a real visa and proper status. Unlike Thailand, where 'extension of stay' is nothing else than a better tourist visa.

I always thought it was 800,000 Baht INCLUDING monthly income - so it can be half + half : 400,000 in the bank, and a total annual income of the other 400,000. Of course, there is just one good thing about being even older - over 65 in receipt of home govt pension, and a nice Cat 'O' for a potential 15 months, extendable by getting a double 60-day Tourist visa, and you are legally in LOS for an easy 19 months - try another run at the the double-Tourist, and it can end up being a month under 2 years. Sweet for old gits - and no need to show cash in the bank :-)

[moskito]

Buddhism teaches that YOU CANNOT OWN anything in this world. Strange how Buddhisms taught in school here but the Thai System of laws are contradictory to Buddhism.

reminds me always of this two bugs sitting on a dog and having an argument to whom the dog belongs...

[moskito]

if you had the money to meet the MM2H criteria you'd understand the difference.

My resources easily qualify me for the MM2H programme and my comprehension is excellent (and it is not dependent on my bank balance anyway).

What I am saying is that the total investment involved is a lot more than for the Thai retirement extension. Not just a little bit more but many, many times more.

If you are over 50, it basically comes down to 1.5 million Baht vs. 800K Baht. Plus monthly income, which you need anyway.

Too expensive for many, I agree. But you have a real visa and proper status. Unlike Thailand, where 'extension of stay' is nothing else than a better tourist visa.

I always thought it was 800,000 Baht INCLUDING monthly income - so it can be half + half : 400,000 in the bank, and a total annual income of the other 400,000. Of course, there is just one good thing about being even older - over 65 in receipt of home govt pension, and a nice Cat 'O' for a potential 15 months, extendable by getting a double 60-day Tourist visa, and you are legally in LOS for an easy 19 months - try another run at the the double-Tourist, and it can end up being a month under 2 years. Sweet for old gits - and no need to show cash in the bank :-)

sry. didnt read all of it...if married to a Thai Citizen it is 400.000 in the bank OR 60.000 monthly income... if not married 800.000 or 60k monthly for the 1 Year Visa

[annabel]

I have been looking at the website of the Office of the Ombudsmen http://www.ombudsman.../eng/index1.asp and I can't see anything that suggests their duties involve drafting legislation or submitting such bills before Parliament. They are not part of of the government or parliamentarians. They are appointed by the Senate and their role is investigate complaints about public officials and initiate prosecutions if necessary. So I don't know why this character is shooting off his mouth about drafting a bill that he is going to submit to Parliament. It seems to be none of his business and it is doubtful that the House Speaker or the ruling Pheua Thai Party would provide precious parliamentary time for or support any legislation that is not part of their own very tight agenda. I think the only way he can do this is to get a sponsor high up in PTP to propose the bill but it would seem inappropriate and strange for an Ombudsman to be seen to be interfering in the parliamentary process. Of course the reporters and their editors who put this story in the national press failed to comment on this critical aspect. As usual they just wrote down what the idiot said and printed it as gospel without a second thought.

That's exactly what was thinking ... An Ombudsman making a new law rule ...?? where in the world do Ombudsmen do this ..?? They are suppose to be arbitrators to solve issues and nothing else... but yet again this is Thailand ...?? Ombudsman may have a different role and meaning here .. who the hell knows ... Oh I know ... Yingyucky appointed the Ombudsman guy as one of the new cabinet ministers in charge of land ownership in Thailand

[gaucho]

nearly bought here on two occasions ...so glad i didnt ...if they keep this up ...whats that about the goose ?

[jalansanitwong]

Thai politicans and officals are involved in property development particularly in the south. Who do they sell all these luxury villas and condos to ?????. foreigners of course.

Thais like to spit on farangs every 6 months or so through the media. Its what they do best.

I never hear Thai politicans complaining about Thai's legally buying and selling houses in the west courtesy of their old senile farang husbands.

Any farang who buys land and builds a house on it gets no sympathy from me when the rug is pulled from under him.The law is the law dont try and bypass it with fancy accountants and lawyers.

Rent is dirt cheap in Thailand and landlords are better here than back home.

Farangs will never understand that we are second rate citizens here even though we literally built this country.

Imagine Thailand without the infrastructure and tourism development we gave it since the 60's? This place would still be as backward as Laos or Cambodia.

[RigPig]

Move to Cambodia, you can set up a company 100% in your name for $200 (for 99 years) and tax set up $300 (per year) and away you go. And then you can make your business, and work in it unlike Thailand, where only Thais can work in your bar or other business. Business visa $285 for 12 months with no visa runs. Cambodians have a great sence of humour and they are not just after your cash, alot cheaper in Cambodia as well. If you want a Cambodian passport with honoraray citizenship, no problem if you have $39,500 and then buy land in your name. I do hear you can buy new built apartments in your own name now as well.

So what's holding you here then? The problem is that many of us have built a family and friends life (Thai friends!) in Thailand and you just don't move that easily to another country (well, maybe back to our home-country, but currently I feel that Thailand IS my homecountry). Many people are complaining about Thais that they see foreigners as walking ATM's. I think many of you complaining people don't have real Thai friends and maybe living in 'nice' places such as Pattaya or Phuket. Yes, maybe in those places foreigners are seen as walking ATM's, but this is not the majority view of the Thais. Mostly people don't know this, but actually most Thais are not even aware that we foreigners can't own land! Many Thais have asked me why I don't buy a nice house etc.! It's the elite Thai that tries to prevent foreigners from buying land with just one goal: so they can grab it! Nothing more, nothing less.

Firstly Thailand will NEVER be your home country, even the national anthem says"Thailand for Thais". Whether you understand it or not (and it seems to me you are the one living a fantasy here) Thais are indoctrinated in this mind set from primary school. The king and country are number one. If you cross the line you will soon find out how "equal" you are in Thai society. Have you ever thought that when they ask you why you do not buy or build a nice house that they are actually wondering why you do not put your money into something you can never own? They are just encouraging you to part with your money and can't understand why if you have been conned into thinking you are actually a part of this place you haven't already done so! If all of the people in Isaan are so innocent why do they constantly send their daughters to the areas you mentioned ? The country has a history of prostitutung itself for it's own gain, just look at the second world war and Vietnam war, and I am not referring to the women working in bars but what they did by standing with their feet on both sides of the fence. Sure accept this place for what it is and enjoy it but wake up and see it for what it really is. They only want your children for their own gain and so they have someone to look after them the same as they had to do for their parents.

I choose to live here but I am certainly not disillusioned by what it really is, take off your rose coloured glasses and take a look at the real Thailand!

[cheeryble]

My wife was just told by a condo salesman to wait one or two years for the condo market to become so oversaturated that, despite the cultural factors, prices WILL fall.

Wow. A condo salesman talking sense. I'm impressed.

Only problem with his theory is that every year it costs more to build new units.

The cost price of recent new blocks has been of a level that units in older blocks have played catch-up though happily you can get a very high quality renovation in an established block for the price of a rather mediocre new condo apartment in a "fancy" new block with a nice reception but laminate floors and cheap tiles etc upstairs in the unit.

With continued growth there will be inflation and materials will most likely cost more.

Personally I've never come across one person who's bought a new condo purely for speculative purposes. Rather they tend to make use of the condo in some way or other.

So I have my doubts if even in the event of an oversupply there'll be a sell-off at a loss.....more likely, as most developers have to show continuing success to fund the next project, if sales fall building will necessarily start to fall too. JMO.

[RigPig]

If they do go ahead with this I wonder how far back they will take the transactions. Companies have records of sales etc. It would not be difficult to have a go at any profits made by previous directors that sold the property with the company as those transactions could be deemed illegal too. Could be a mass exodus of farangs leaving Thailand with not much more than the shirts on their backs. Out with the old in with the new and all property is returned to the "rightful" owners.....Thais. This could prop Thailand up for decades, who would need the farangs then?

[oops]

I am totally fine with their decision. The childish and arrogant acts of the powers at hand will come back to haunt them.

For me, I hope it will be the same as it was in the mid to late 90's. These guys pass laws like they pull them out of ther arse

[oops]

Move to Cambodia, you can set up a company 100% in your name for $200 (for 99 years) and tax set up $300 (per year) and away you go.

And then you can make your business, and work in it unlike Thailand, where only Thais can work in your bar or other business.

Business visa $285 for 12 months with no visa runs.

Cambodians have a great sence of humour and they are not just after your cash, alot cheaper in Cambodia as well.

If you want a Cambodian passport with honoraray citizenship, no problem if you have $39,500 and then buy land in your name.

I do hear you can buy new built apartments in your own name now as well.

And they have casino's ...

[Gary A]

I hear good things about living in Cambodia. I had three friends who moved there. Their opinion was that the Cambodian public servants are crooked beyond belief and the government there makes Thai politicians look honest. Two of my friends died there and the third is now back living back here in Thailand.

Thai law says that marital assets will be split 50/50 in the event of a divorce. That may be true but the civil court makes that decision and they have no power to enforce that ruling. If you want your 50 percent, you better be able to get along with your ex-wife very well and hope that she feels generous.

A lease is pretty solid but not if you lease from your wife. If you have a lease then get married, when the 30 years is up, your wife gets nothing. That's why I didn't go that way. A Usafruct is also worthless if you are divorced and your ex-wife decides to invalidate it.

You can safely own a condo IF you buy it in your name BEFORE you get married. There are always threats that the government is going to enforce the law regarding bogus companies. It hasn't happened yet but in my opinion, it is just a matter of when and not if.

I do have a condo in my name that was purchased before we married. I have bought properties for my wife. If she decides to throw me out she has earned the properties because she has already put up with me for quite a few years. If worse comes to worse, I'll move into my condo and I certainly won't miss any meals.

[oops]

When people start ditching their properties for little or nothing it will obviously lower the value so that Thai's can buy them up. Later they will change the law back....and allow us to buy.

Some will venture into this again and they will change the law again.... Round and Round we go..grab a partner and watch your cash flow....it's bound to be stole

[oops]

Move to Cambodia, you can set up a company 100% in your name for $200 (for 99 years) and tax set up $300 (per year) and away you go. And then you can make your business, and work in it unlike Thailand, where only Thais can work in your bar or other business. Business visa $285 for 12 months with no visa runs. Cambodians have a great sence of humour and they are not just after your cash, alot cheaper in Cambodia as well. If you want a Cambodian passport with honoraray citizenship, no problem if you have $39,500 and then buy land in your name. I do hear you can buy new built apartments in your own name now as well.

So what's holding you here then? The problem is that many of us have built a family and friends life (Thai friends!) in Thailand and you just don't move that easily to another country (well, maybe back to our home-country, but currently I feel that Thailand IS my homecountry). Many people are complaining about Thais that they see foreigners as walking ATM's. I think many of you complaining people don't have real Thai friends and maybe living in 'nice' places such as Pattaya or Phuket. Yes, maybe in those places foreigners are seen as walking ATM's, but this is not the majority view of the Thais. Mostly people don't know this, but actually most Thais are not even aware that we foreigners can't own land! Many Thais have asked me why I don't buy a nice house etc.! It's the elite Thai that tries to prevent foreigners from buying land with just one goal: so they can grab it! Nothing more, nothing less.

Firstly Thailand will NEVER be your home country, even the national anthem says"Thailand for Thais". Whether you understand it or not (and it seems to me you are the one living a fantasy here) Thais are indoctrinated in this mind set from primary school. The king and country are number one. If you cross the line you will soon find out how "equal" you are in Thai society. Have you ever thought that when they ask you why you do not buy or build a nice house that they are actually wondering why you do not put your money into something you can never own? They are just encouraging you to part with your money and can't understand why if you have been conned into thinking you are actually a part of this place you haven't already done so! If all of the people in Isaan are so innocent why do they constantly send their daughters to the areas you mentioned ? The country has a history of prostitutung itself for it's own gain, just look at the second world war and Vietnam war, and I am not referring to the women working in bars but what they did by standing with their feet on both sides of the fence. Sure accept this place for what it is and enjoy it but wake up and see it for what it really is. They only want your children for their own gain and so they have someone to look after them the same as they had to do for their parents.

I choose to live here but I am certainly not disillusioned by what it really is, take off your rose coloured glasses and take a look at the real Thailand!

@Cheops (Thai Friends)....AHHAAHAAAHAAAAA AHAHHAAAAAAHAAA STOP IT ! ( Thai friends) ahahhhahaaaaahhahaaaaaa

There is no such thing as a Thai friend.....a few good Thai wives but even they will look at you sometime and say...Yes! it have to be that way...this is Thailand.. Your a F'n idiot if you think you have a real Thai friend. (Thailand IS my homecountry) ahaaahaaaaahaaaahaaaa What will you do for an encore. You either have no possesions and live from hand to mouth or your a complete fool to believe they are your friends. First time you have a serious Thai on falang problem away from your home you will find out just how kind Thailand. is.

Edited July 1, 2012 by oops

[kerrysum]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a great bunch of posts, so many covered so many topics I am truely in AWE......

I pretty much saw everything covered from A 2 Z in all of your posts, and thanks for them.....

So I guess what this means, what you have put into writing is always subject to change.......

Yes there are duel standards in Thailand and I admit this... I.E. if I come your country I can own property, I can walk away when it fails, and if you come to the LOS we will charge you double, raise your fees, and we will leave it in the grey area, so we can always change it...... Is there any rule of Law in Thailand... ????? Or is it here today and gone tomorrow.....

POINT IS THERE NEEDS TO BE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.....

Nations will rise and Nations will fall, and we know there are some hungry nations right next door.... So many are correct in Asian investment in Thailand, I have seen it come and go, especially in the Rice producing areas of the North.....

Just my opinion.......

Have a wonderdul day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And yes, I still do love Thailand.......

Always, Kilosierra

[Cheops]

@Cheops (Thai Friends)....AHHAAHAAAHAAAAA AHAHHAAAAAAHAAA STOP IT ! ( Thai friends) ahahhhahaaaaahhahaaaaaa

There is no such thing as a Thai friend.....a few good Thai wives but even they will look at you sometime and say...Yes! it have to be that way...this is Thailand.. Your a F'n idiot if you think you have a real Thai friend. (Thailand IS my homecountry) ahaaahaaaaahaaaahaaaa What will you do for an encore. You either have no possesions and live from hand to mouth or your a complete fool to believe they are your friends. First time you have a serious Thai on falang problem away from your home you will find out just how kind Thailand. is.

Well, your post says probably more about you than about me To use your unnecessary words: you are a F'n idiot to write such a post about people you don't even know.

And I gladly keep it this way! Probably you don't have friends in your homecountry as well.

There are cerntainly a lot of good people here. Of course there are also a lot of bad people here, but this is the same in your homecountry.

I know that I have quite some good Thai friends. Real friends. For example one of them co-signed a 1 million car-finance (and if you really know Thai people you will know that they are hesitate to do this even for family, but as said these friends really know me very well), since it's difficult to get some trust from banks in the beginning. Probably that has to do with all the bad foreigners here who don't have friends (neither here or in their homecountry) and behave like they are the best (nicely said!). There are more examples why I know my friends are real friends, but I will not bother you with this and I will not try to explain to you about the homecountry thing, since your mindset will not believe it anyway.

What do still here in Thailand anyway? Since you can't make any friends here, don't trust the people here and you don't see this as your homecountry? I bet you are one of those people who just come here to enjoy and misuse the Thai females (reading in your post that you only have some good Thai wives).

[RigPig]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a great bunch of posts, so many covered so many topics I am truely in AWE......

I pretty much saw everything covered from A 2 Z in all of your posts, and thanks for them.....

So I guess what this means, what you have put into writing is always subject to change.......

Yes there are duel standards in Thailand and I admit this... I.E. if I come your country I can own property, I can walk away when it fails, and if you come to the LOS we will charge you double, raise your fees, and we will leave it in the grey area, so we can always change it...... Is there any rule of Law in Thailand... ????? Or is it here today and gone tomorrow.....

POINT IS THERE NEEDS TO BE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.....

Nations will rise and Nations will fall, and we know there are some hungry nations right next door.... So many are correct in Asian investment in Thailand, I have seen it come and go, especially in the Rice producing areas of the North.....

Just my opinion.......

Have a wonderdul day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And yes, I still do love Thailand.......

Always, Kilosierra

A level playing field would be nice but just being able to know where you stand would be a good start. I imported a gearbox for my bike and when I queried the tax and duty was told that I was now paying (an astronomical amount) for storage and it could take days to review it....... In other words pay up or we will charge you more. When you comply with all the rules for getting a visa you go there and because the guy in charge had a bad day you only get 90 days instead of the 12 month multi entry you qualified for. Nothing you can do come back in 3 months and don't leave the country (bit hard for me I work overseas on an oil rig). A Thai pulls out in front of you and you hit him, he didn't look, he didn't indicate, in fact he was 3 up no helmet and off the side of a double lane'd road when he began his move, you've got nowhere to go! Who's fault was it? You guessed it 4000 Baht later and your on your way.

Fairness and (I know I'm fantasising) justice would be nice. How can you expect people to respect the law when you see the BIB blatantly riding around without a helmet. This is the big joke here, it starts with the small things. I feel sorry for the people that were told the nominee companies were legal but should have done your home work first. If you did and took the chance well like any casino the house ALWAYS wins in the end.

Just have open eyes and take this place for what it is and enjoy it while you can. If you want security or really can't afford to live here you should of stayed at home.

[RigPig]

@Cheops (Thai Friends)....AHHAAHAAAHAAAAA AHAHHAAAAAAHAAA STOP IT ! ( Thai friends) ahahhhahaaaaahhahaaaaaa

There is no such thing as a Thai friend.....a few good Thai wives but even they will look at you sometime and say...Yes! it have to be that way...this is Thailand.. Your a F'n idiot if you think you have a real Thai friend. (Thailand IS my homecountry) ahaaahaaaaahaaaahaaaa What will you do for an encore. You either have no possesions and live from hand to mouth or your a complete fool to believe they are your friends. First time you have a serious Thai on falang problem away from your home you will find out just how kind Thailand. is.

Well, your post says probably more about you than about me To use your unnecessary words: you are a F'n idiot to write such a post about people you don't even know.

And I gladly keep it this way! Probably you don't have friends in your homecountry as well.

There are cerntainly a lot of good people here. Of course there are also a lot of bad people here, but this is the same in your homecountry.

I know that I have quite some good Thai friends. Real friends. For example one of them co-signed a 1 million car-finance (and if you really know Thai people you will know that they are hesitate to do this even for family, but as said these friends really know me very well), since it's difficult to get some trust from banks in the beginning. Probably that has to do with all the bad foreigners here who don't have friends (neither here or in their homecountry) and behave like they are the best (nicely said!). There are more examples why I know my friends are real friends, but I will not bother you with this and I will not try to explain to you about the homecountry thing, since your mindset will not believe it anyway.

What do still here in Thailand anyway? Since you can't make any friends here, don't trust the people here and you don't see this as your homecountry? I bet you are one of those people who just come here to enjoy and misuse the Thai females (reading in your post that you only have some good Thai wives).

You REALLY can't see past the end of your nose can you! He only co-signed your loan for the car hoping you would default and he could pick it up after you had made 1/2 the payments.

GET THIS STRAIGHT.....YOU WILL NEVER BE THAI.....YOU WILL ALWAYS BE LOOKED DOWN UPON!!!

WAKE UP dreamer, you are caught up in fantasy land worse than the idiots that frequent the bars looking for a good wife. Oh and by the way, misuse their females, who the dickens do you think sends them to work in the bars in the first place to be "misused" as you put it? THEIR PARENTS who don't want to work and only had them in the first place so they could live off them. Thai culture from good wholesome Thai families no doubt friends of yours.

[cheeryble]

SUBSTANTIVE POST

A friend who is pretty experienced about property here (CM) told me the Land Dept was now not registering usufructs.

I objected that a boss at a back desk at Mae Rim had himself suggested a usufruct (sit ti gep gin) just last year. My friend seemed confident this ban on usufructs had been so for about 6 months. His deals mostly with CM or Hang Dong office I guess not sure if this is a blanket ban or just confined to one office.

Can anyone substantiate?

Cheeryble

Never quoted myself but would like to keep this to the fore........

My friend said he he's heard this from various sources.

Are Land Offices still registering usufructs?

[RigPig]

SUBSTANTIVE POST

A friend who is pretty experienced about property here (CM) told me the Land Dept was now not registering usufructs.

I objected that a boss at a back desk at Mae Rim had himself suggested a usufruct (sit ti gep gin) just last year. My friend seemed confident this ban on usufructs had been so for about 6 months. His deals mostly with CM or Hang Dong office I guess not sure if this is a blanket ban or just confined to one office.

Can anyone substantiate?

Cheeryble

Never quoted myself but would like to keep this to the fore........

My friend said he he's heard this from various sources.

Are Land Offices still registering usufructs?

Just another case of the concerns I viewed before. You are playing the game their way but they don't like the fact you may have control so .....move the goal posts. Usufruct's are legal so why is someone in authority not following the law? What reasons do they give for not allowing it? I assume a lawyer drew up the documents so where is the problem? Oh that's right you are farang, that's the problem.

Just accept it no matter what you do, no matter that you follow the rules or the law, you are not Thai. You will NEVER gain control over land. There is no rule of law here. It is TOTALLY up to the policeman, or the official who is in charge at the time and I will say it again YOU ARE NOT THAI AND NEVER WILL BE. I had an incident once where it was pointed out to me that a dog that continually soiled me entrance way had more rights than me, it was Thai !!

Edited July 1, 2012 by Rimmer
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[simple1]

Are Land Offices still registering usufructs? - not if at the time of application you are married to a Thai, not enforceable under Thai law.

[Cheops]

@Cheops (Thai Friends)....AHHAAHAAAHAAAAA AHAHHAAAAAAHAAA STOP IT ! ( Thai friends) ahahhhahaaaaahhahaaaaaa

There is no such thing as a Thai friend.....a few good Thai wives but even they will look at you sometime and say...Yes! it have to be that way...this is Thailand.. Your a F'n idiot if you think you have a real Thai friend. (Thailand IS my homecountry) ahaaahaaaaahaaaahaaaa What will you do for an encore. You either have no possesions and live from hand to mouth or your a complete fool to believe they are your friends. First time you have a serious Thai on falang problem away from your home you will find out just how kind Thailand. is.

Well, your post says probably more about you than about me To use your unnecessary words: you are a F'n idiot to write such a post about people you don't even know.

And I gladly keep it this way! Probably you don't have friends in your homecountry as well.

There are cerntainly a lot of good people here. Of course there are also a lot of bad people here, but this is the same in your homecountry.

I know that I have quite some good Thai friends. Real friends. For example one of them co-signed a 1 million car-finance (and if you really know Thai people you will know that they are hesitate to do this even for family, but as said these friends really know me very well), since it's difficult to get some trust from banks in the beginning. Probably that has to do with all the bad foreigners here who don't have friends (neither here or in their homecountry) and behave like they are the best (nicely said!). There are more examples why I know my friends are real friends, but I will not bother you with this and I will not try to explain to you about the homecountry thing, since your mindset will not believe it anyway.

What do still here in Thailand anyway? Since you can't make any friends here, don't trust the people here and you don't see this as your homecountry? I bet you are one of those people who just come here to enjoy and misuse the Thai females (reading in your post that you only have some good Thai wives).

You REALLY can't see past the end of your nose can you! He only co-signed your loan for the car hoping you would default and he could pick it up after you had made 1/2 the payments.

GET THIS STRAIGHT.....YOU WILL NEVER BE THAI.....YOU WILL ALWAYS BE LOOKED DOWN UPON!!!

WAKE UP dreamer, you are caught up in fantasy land worse than the idiots that frequent the bars looking for a good wife. Oh and by the way, misuse their females, who the dickens do you think sends them to work in the bars in the first place to be "misused" as you put it? THEIR PARENTS who don't want to work and only had them in the first place so they could live off them. Thai culture from good wholesome Thai families no doubt friends of yours.

You REALLY can't see past the end of your nose can you! He only co-signed because he is a good friend without any gain in mind. He has enough money, is doing well and is well traveled around the world. But sure you won't believe this, since in your mind all Thais are alike.

DON'T make use of my thoughts in your posts to other people! Clearly you can't think about good arguments yourself. I see you constantly posting against people who like Thailand and have indeed good Thai friends.

Yes, I know I will never be a real Thai, but I never said I would did I? Probably you can't read too well I guess.

Don't let me get started on other things in your posts which is clearly coming from a narrow mind.

Why did you come here in the first place if you don't like Thailand and it's people? You don't even work here. Go home!

Edited July 1, 2012 by Cheops

[TommoPhysicist]

Why did you come here in the first place if you don't like Thailand and it's people? You don't even work here. Go home!

I tend to think Oops and Rigpig are more correct in their outlooks than you.

I examined both their posts and can't find anything to suggest they don't like it here.

Being realistic doesn't automatically mean they don't like Thailand or even that they aren't enjoying themselves here.

Best to look for friends among your own kind IMHO.

Trust and friendship aren't really high on my list of important things to make my life happy in any country.

Edited July 1, 2012 by TommoPhysicist

[Cheops]

Why did you come here in the first place if you don't like Thailand and it's people? You don't even work here. Go home!

I tend to think Oops and Rigpig are more correct in their outlooks than you.

I examined both their posts and can't find anything to suggest they don't like it here.

Being realistic doesn't automatically mean they don't like Thailand or even that they aren't enjoying themselves here.

Best to look for friends among your own kind IMHO.

Thanks for your view TommoPhysicist, but they are suggesting that my friends are not real friends, which of course they really can't know.

They base their opinion on their own experience and if they are behaving badly in Thailand for sure you won't make any real friends. That would be the same in their homecountry.

Not sure what your last statement means: your own kind?

Who are your own kind? Another foreigner living in Thailand? No thanks. I have seen enough bad examples.

Of course there are also many good foreigners living here which I have met as well.

Your signature suggest you don't trust anybody, not even your children?

Edited July 1, 2012 by Cheops

[samsiam]

What if your parents did not tell you where you really came from ??

[RigPig]

@Cheops (Thai Friends)....AHHAAHAAAHAAAAA AHAHHAAAAAAHAAA STOP IT ! ( Thai friends) ahahhhahaaaaahhahaaaaaa

There is no such thing as a Thai friend.....a few good Thai wives but even they will look at you sometime and say...Yes! it have to be that way...this is Thailand.. Your a F'n idiot if you think you have a real Thai friend. (Thailand IS my homecountry) ahaaahaaaaahaaaahaaaa What will you do for an encore. You either have no possesions and live from hand to mouth or your a complete fool to believe they are your friends. First time you have a serious Thai on falang problem away from your home you will find out just how kind Thailand. is.

Well, your post says probably more about you than about me To use your unnecessary words: you are a F'n idiot to write such a post about people you don't even know.

And I gladly keep it this way! Probably you don't have friends in your homecountry as well.

There are cerntainly a lot of good people here. Of course there are also a lot of bad people here, but this is the same in your homecountry.

I know that I have quite some good Thai friends. Real friends. For example one of them co-signed a 1 million car-finance (and if you really know Thai people you will know that they are hesitate to do this even for family, but as said these friends really know me very well), since it's difficult to get some trust from banks in the beginning. Probably that has to do with all the bad foreigners here who don't have friends (neither here or in their homecountry) and behave like they are the best (nicely said!). There are more examples why I know my friends are real friends, but I will not bother you with this and I will not try to explain to you about the homecountry thing, since your mindset will not believe it anyway.

What do still here in Thailand anyway? Since you can't make any friends here, don't trust the people here and you don't see this as your homecountry? I bet you are one of those people who just come here to enjoy and misuse the Thai females (reading in your post that you only have some good Thai wives).

You REALLY can't see past the end of your nose can you! He only co-signed your loan for the car hoping you would default and he could pick it up after you had made 1/2 the payments.

GET THIS STRAIGHT.....YOU WILL NEVER BE THAI.....YOU WILL ALWAYS BE LOOKED DOWN UPON!!!

WAKE UP dreamer, you are caught up in fantasy land worse than the idiots that frequent the bars looking for a good wife. Oh and by the way, misuse their females, who the dickens do you think sends them to work in the bars in the first place to be "misused" as you put it? THEIR PARENTS who don't want to work and only had them in the first place so they could live off them. Thai culture from good wholesome Thai families no doubt friends of yours.

You REALLY can't see past the end of your nose can you! He only co-signed because he is a good friend without any gain in mind. He has enough money, is doing well and is well traveled around the world. But sure you won't believe this, since in your mind all Thais are alike.

DON'T make use of my thoughts in your posts to other people! Clearly you can't think about good arguments yourself. I see you constantly posting against people who like Thailand and have indeed good Thai friends.

Yes, I know I will never be a real Thai, but I never said I would did I? Probably you can't read too well I guess.

Don't let me get started on other things in your posts which is clearly coming from a narrow mind.

Why did you come here in the first place if you don't like Thailand and it's people? You don't even work here. Go home!

The difference is I see it for what it is and accept it for what it is. I have lived here for 10 years, I like Thailand and choose to live here, but I have no doubts about where I REALLY fit in here and am happy to go along with it. You my friend are living an illusion created by those around you. One day the chips will be down and then you will find out where you fit into Thai society. You will never get a Thai to back you, whether you are right or not, against another Thai, no matter how long you have known them or how close to that person you think you are. I am not saying they are bad people, it's just how it is. You may not think this but my posts are not aimed at criticizing you but to (hopefully) opening your eyes a little BEFORE you find out the hard way.

By the way it doesn't matter how much money your friend has that co signed for your car (and if he had to do this you clearly never had enough money to pay cash for it so I have to question if you can REALLY afford to live in Thailand) adding some of yours to it would have been the only thing in his mind. It is the nature of the beast. You don't have to look far to see how they treat each other and especially if there is any material gain in it. They exploit there own people for profit and gain so do you really think they view you any differently?

My posts do not come from a narrow mind as you say but an aware one as yours should be. The simple fact you view Thailand as your homecountry as you put it shows that. Can you not see the injustice and double standards. If you don't believe me try telling all your "friends" and wife / girlfriend you have no money and see if they will help you out.

This post is about Thais once again moving the goal posts for their own gain and to take from unsuspecting and gullible people (like yourself) something they never earned or worked for. This is the point I am trying to make.

[Cheops]

The difference is I see it for what it is and accept it for what it is. I have lived here for 10 years, I like Thailand and choose to live here, but I have no doubts about where I REALLY fit in here and am happy to go along with it. You my friend are living an illusion created by those around you. One day the chips will be down and then you will find out where you fit into Thai society. You will never get a Thai to back you, whether you are right or not, against another Thai, no matter how long you have known them or how close to that person you think you are. I am not saying they are bad people, it's just how it is. You may not think this but my posts are not aimed at criticizing you but to (hopefully) opening your eyes a little BEFORE you find out the hard way.

By the way it doesn't matter how much money your friend has that co signed for your car (and if he had to do this you clearly never had enough money to pay cash for it so I have to question if you can REALLY afford to live in Thailand) adding some of yours to it would have been the only thing in his mind. It is the nature of the beast. You don't have to look far to see how they treat each other and especially if there is any material gain in it. They exploit there own people for profit and gain so do you really think they view you any differently?

My posts do not come from a narrow mind as you say but an aware one as yours should be. The simple fact you view Thailand as your homecountry as you put it shows that. Can you not see the injustice and double standards. If you don't believe me try telling all your "friends" and wife / girlfriend you have no money and see if they will help you out.

This post is about Thais once again moving the goal posts for their own gain and to take from unsuspecting and gullible people (like yourself) something they never earned or worked for. This is the point I am trying to make.

Hi RigPig,

thanks, I appreciate your last post! I know that I will never be a Thai, but believe me, I really have a few very good Thai friends which I know already about 15 years and who will back me. The point is that many Thai people will not back their Thai friends and family as well. But there are also good Thai people who will, although maybe the majority doesn't.

I need to make also my apologies if I posted something less nice to you. Sorry for that.

I know some Thai have double standards and double pricing schemes etc., but mostly this is because the richer Thais want to make money wherever they can and foreigners are automaticly assumed to have more money.

Your last point is valid and I agree with you.