I Now Realise That Something Is Missing In Life .......

[Mosha]

The funny thing is that few here would begrudge a 'western' woman her past but find one unforgivable in a Thai woman.

I would say what is more funny is that few guys would even touch a prostitute back home but in Thailand many Western guys marry them.

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And about these thai bar girl, even a thai man will never, ever marry them. The asinity thing is western do it here .

After we wonder why some thai look at us like creeps.

I know one who is, he doesn't know it though.

[transam]

The next time i meet a woman, i will treat her like a real man ie like you. will tie her up on a chain, feed her bones, and if she lucky enough take her for daily walks

You are learning quickly!

But seriously: women dig jerks. That makes no sense by male logic, but their brains don't work by male logic.

Try to be a jerk, and you will see that your success with women will triple.

What a twonk.

Perhaps some here, me, do not mix with your choice of companion eh.

[kerryk]

The PhD president of a large Western university married a porn star a while back. He didn't know it for 20 years. Those Western men aren't too smart when it comes to women.

[GreenSnapper]

Ahh the voice of experience speaks. I have seen a lot of guys like you. It is one of the reasons for the sound business plan of Pattaya and certain neighborhoods in Bangkok and other Thai cities.

The business plans are built on men who pamper women, buy cars and houses and are so nice that the women will secretely cringe.

Quite the opposite of what I wrote.

[phl]

Ahh the voice of experience speaks. I have seen a lot of guys like you. It is one of the reasons for the sound business plan of Pattaya and certain neighborhoods in Bangkok and other Thai cities.

The business plans are built on men who pamper women, buy cars and houses and are so nice that the women will secretely cringe.

Quite the opposite of what I wrote.

LOL, and for some crazy reason i thought it was built for men to get some cheap sex

[kerryk]

Ahh the voice of experience speaks. I have seen a lot of guys like you. It is one of the reasons for the sound business plan of Pattaya and certain neighborhoods in Bangkok and other Thai cities.

The business plans are built on men who pamper women, buy cars and houses and are so nice that the women will secretely cringe.

Quite the opposite of what I wrote.

LOL, and for some crazy reason i thought it was built for men to get some cheap sex

Actually the only place a jerk can get cheap sex.

[Beetlejuice]

I place Thai girls/women/females into three categories.

1. The poor and the underclass’s whose priorities are to get rich quick and only view the farang as a walking bank account or seeking life long financial support for themselves and families.

2. The middle to upper class Thai girls/women/females who may consider a farang as a viable suitor, providing he is able to compete with her lavish lifestyle, provide and sustain her lavish lifestyle in the custom that she is used to or so desires, especially if she is a social climber.

3. Those that would never consider forming relationships with farang males even if they were the last men on Earth.

These days I truly do believe that Thai women are no longer good viable propositions as girlfriends or wives, especially since over the years Thai people have become more affluent and the country has become extremely commercialised. The women’s expectations of a partner are higher than what they used to be, with similar doctrines that are almost comparable with the attitudes of Western women. Many Thai women are these days able to live completely independant lives with no need to take on board a permanment partner or can be extremely particular with whom they choose.

As one poster has already mentioned, perhaps there are girls/women/females in other countries that are not so materialistic and money orientated that would make better and more loyal partners.

A man who can put women of any culture into three categories is beyond redemption as a sentient being. Don't believe me? Post it in the ladies forum and see what happens. Or in a forum with people from civilized countries.

I don`t believe in suggesting that Thai women place the financial status of a farang male as high priority in regards to choosing a farang partner is a derogatory statement.

As I said, I do not consider Thai women as good choices for girlfriends or wives for the reasons I have already mentioned and I have been living in Thailand for almost 30 years, seen a lot of changes and because this is how events and attitudes have progressed over time.

How else would you like me to explain this or what else do you prefer to hear?

I have personally witnessed too many of my friends and associates being scammed in the past and my statements are not made out of prejudice or unfounded. Today, i would never introduce any of my male family or friends to Thai women, without first having a complete knowledge of they`re background and true intentions.

My point is that whatever guys decide to take on, they do at their own discretion, but treat with caution, keeping in mind the reputations many of these women have acquired over the years.

Edited July 5, 2012 by Beetlejuice

[NanLaew]

Thats one thing i miss with women back at home,you can talk about movies,music,old school friends,worldly experiences,sometimes i find the cultural differences here too much

what I miss most is a proper kiss. a proper snog. western women know how to kiss. thai women don,t.

#3 at Playskool, NEP. You'll thank me for it.

Sent from the Back 'o Bennachie with an Asus eePad Transformer TF201 thingumabob.

Playskool in BKK or Pattaya?

NEP... I said NEP

[NanLaew]

I have come to the conclusion that as far as Thai girls are concerned, there is nothing out there worth having, no matter where you live in Thailand.

The girls on dating and social networking sites that are specifically aiming their sites at farangs, are looking for mugs that are willing to part with a lot of money quickly, the girls who have profiles on Thai dating and Thai social networking sites only, are not interested in farangs, the girls one may meet in bars, massage parlours, nightclubs or discos will also be looking for a temporary farang meal ticket.

Thai girls from the poorer provinces will more likely only become hooked up with farangs if they believe this maybe a fast track method of gaining wealth and status for themselves and families, where the farang will become the village cash withdrawal machine. It is unlikely that the upper class, decent, already well established Thai women will want to associate themselves with farangs, other than for work or business purposes.

It wasn’t always like this, some years ago it was considered a good move on a Thai girls part to marry a farang and would often be encouraged by their families to do so. But these days the attitudes have changed, now in Thai society, Thai women that form relationships with farangs are looked down upon, because most farangs seem to become more associated with women from the lower classes of Thai society, as these are more desperate and more likely to be targeted as fair game by farangs seeking female companions.

Over the years I have become rather disenchanted with Thai women, because unlike in the West, they seem to have stereotyped farang men and it appears extremely difficult to form any normal relationships with them on a true love basis.

These are the sign of the times we now live in, business before pleasure seems to be the run of the mill. The saying in Thailand, no money, no honey, really does pertain to farangs living in Thailand.

My advice is; avoid getting involved with Thai women or make sure you choose very, very carefully, with caution.

Are you advocating celibacy then? Are you celibate?

[NanLaew]

... The same as when I am out on a night here in Pattaya, once they know I refuse to pay exorbitant prices they fade away. When a 39 year old is asking me for 2000 Baht + a bar fine, I laugh.

What about the 19 year old asking for 2000 baht + bar fine?

[Beetlejuice]

I have come to the conclusion that as far as Thai girls are concerned, there is nothing out there worth having, no matter where you live in Thailand.

The girls on dating and social networking sites that are specifically aiming their sites at farangs, are looking for mugs that are willing to part with a lot of money quickly, the girls who have profiles on Thai dating and Thai social networking sites only, are not interested in farangs, the girls one may meet in bars, massage parlours, nightclubs or discos will also be looking for a temporary farang meal ticket.

Thai girls from the poorer provinces will more likely only become hooked up with farangs if they believe this maybe a fast track method of gaining wealth and status for themselves and families, where the farang will become the village cash withdrawal machine. It is unlikely that the upper class, decent, already well established Thai women will want to associate themselves with farangs, other than for work or business purposes.

It wasn’t always like this, some years ago it was considered a good move on a Thai girls part to marry a farang and would often be encouraged by their families to do so. But these days the attitudes have changed, now in Thai society, Thai women that form relationships with farangs are looked down upon, because most farangs seem to become more associated with women from the lower classes of Thai society, as these are more desperate and more likely to be targeted as fair game by farangs seeking female companions.

Over the years I have become rather disenchanted with Thai women, because unlike in the West, they seem to have stereotyped farang men and it appears extremely difficult to form any normal relationships with them on a true love basis.

These are the sign of the times we now live in, business before pleasure seems to be the run of the mill. The saying in Thailand, no money, no honey, really does pertain to farangs living in Thailand.

My advice is; avoid getting involved with Thai women or make sure you choose very, very carefully, with caution.

Are you advocating celibacy then? Are you celibate?

What answer would you prefer to hear?

Like so many other posters on this thread, are you basing relationships with Thai women purely on sex and confusing the differences between paying for short time with bargirls and being in a loving relationship? Do you mean that without associations with Thai women you cannot get your leg over and you are willing to have a relationship on a pay as you ride basis?

This is my whole point, that many farang guys only view Thai women for sexual purposes and the women see the mens desires as a potentual earner.

As I said, these are the signs of the times and for those guys who are seeking genuine Thai girl partners, be cautious and choose carefully, because the general attitudes regarding relationships have much changed since my days when I first plonked myself down here in Thailand.

Edited July 5, 2012 by Beetlejuice

[tinfoilhat]

The funny thing is that few here would begrudge a 'western' woman her past but find one unforgivable in a Thai woman.

I would say what is more funny is that few guys would even touch a prostitute back home but in Thailand many Western guys marry them.

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i think that is a because here the prositutes are 'girls' rather than women.

far less intimidating that

[AnandaSatvha]

After seeing what most westerners have put into relationships here and what they get in return. I really can't get down on myself, I've really been quite fortunate to meet women who actually loved me for more than my bank card.

[tinfoilhat]

Even as a male, it's hard to take another farang who lives in Pattaya serious.

.

Do you know who lives in Pattaya? They are too important for me to talk about on Thai Visa.

Yeah right, you'd would tell us, but then you would have to kill us.

do your read over the garbage you write?

I don't know whether you or BigPolyamorousJohn takes the prize for ThaiVisa's worst pontificating bag o' wind.

Edited July 5, 2012 by tinfoilhat

[kerryk]

Even as a male, it's hard to take another farang who lives in Pattaya serious.

.

Do you know who lives in Pattaya? They are too important for me to talk about on Thai Visa.

Yeah right, you'd would tell us, but then you would have to kill us.

do your read over the garbage you write?

I don't know whether you or BigPolyamorousJohn takes the prize for ThaiVisa's worst pontificating bag o' wind.

It is not me who makes the rules about what we can post and not post on Thai Visa. It is Thai Visa.

If you had a clue you would know that some people who live in Pattaya are not allowed to be posted about on Thai Visa. If you want to know who it is PM me and I'll tell you. Have you figured it out yet??? Hint, she gives out a lot of diplomas!

[kerryk]

After seeing what most westerners have put into relationships here and what they get in return. I really can't get down on myself, I've really been quite fortunate to meet women who actually loved me for more than my bank card.

It was your bicycle that got them.

[kerryk]

I place Thai girls/women/females into three categories.

1. The poor and the underclass’s whose priorities are to get rich quick and only view the farang as a walking bank account or seeking life long financial support for themselves and families.

2. The middle to upper class Thai girls/women/females who may consider a farang as a viable suitor, providing he is able to compete with her lavish lifestyle, provide and sustain her lavish lifestyle in the custom that she is used to or so desires, especially if she is a social climber.

3. Those that would never consider forming relationships with farang males even if they were the last men on Earth.

These days I truly do believe that Thai women are no longer good viable propositions as girlfriends or wives, especially since over the years Thai people have become more affluent and the country has become extremely commercialised. The women’s expectations of a partner are higher than what they used to be, with similar doctrines that are almost comparable with the attitudes of Western women. Many Thai women are these days able to live completely independant lives with no need to take on board a permanment partner or can be extremely particular with whom they choose.

As one poster has already mentioned, perhaps there are girls/women/females in other countries that are not so materialistic and money orientated that would make better and more loyal partners.

A man who can put women of any culture into three categories is beyond redemption as a sentient being. Don't believe me? Post it in the ladies forum and see what happens. Or in a forum with people from civilized countries.

I don`t believe in suggesting that Thai women place the financial status of a farang male as high priority in regards to choosing a farang partner is a derogatory statement.

As I said, I do not consider Thai women as good choices for girlfriends or wives for the reasons I have already mentioned and I have been living in Thailand for almost 30 years, seen a lot of changes and because this is how events and attitudes have progressed over time.

How else would you like me to explain this or what else do you prefer to hear?

I have personally witnessed too many of my friends and associates being scammed in the past and my statements are not made out of prejudice or unfounded. Today, i would never introduce any of my male family or friends to Thai women, without first having a complete knowledge of they`re background and true intentions.

My point is that whatever guys decide to take on, they do at their own discretion, but treat with caution, keeping in mind the reputations many of these women have acquired over the years.

When I first got to Thailand we picked German Shepherds to guard our airplanes. They were really good at. Better than other breeds. And they were fierce and loyal. Different breeds of dogs do different things well. Some herd some guard.

But that is not the case with women.

When you classify Thai women into three groups you only show your ignorance of Thai women.

Success in the West is a trophy wife and trophy family. You brought that culture with you like a turtle brought his shell. Success in Thailand is staying single. But that observation is not about Thai women it is about men.

The smart guys in Thailand are the single guys who live well. It is partly luck because you have to be healthy and have a source of income.

[brit1984]

I place Thai girls/women/females into three categories.

1. The poor and the underclass’s whose priorities are to get rich quick and only view the farang as a walking bank account or seeking life long financial support for themselves and families.

2. The middle to upper class Thai girls/women/females who may consider a farang as a viable suitor, providing he is able to compete with her lavish lifestyle, provide and sustain her lavish lifestyle in the custom that she is used to or so desires, especially if she is a social climber.

3. Those that would never consider forming relationships with farang males even if they were the last men on Earth.

These days I truly do believe that Thai women are no longer good viable propositions as girlfriends or wives, especially since over the years Thai people have become more affluent and the country has become extremely commercialised. The women’s expectations of a partner are higher than what they used to be, with similar doctrines that are almost comparable with the attitudes of Western women. Many Thai women are these days able to live completely independant lives with no need to take on board a permanment partner or can be extremely particular with whom they choose.

As one poster has already mentioned, perhaps there are girls/women/females in other countries that are not so materialistic and money orientated that would make better and more loyal partners.

A man who can put women of any culture into three categories is beyond redemption as a sentient being. Don't believe me? Post it in the ladies forum and see what happens. Or in a forum with people from civilized countries.

I don`t believe in suggesting that Thai women place the financial status of a farang male as high priority in regards to choosing a farang partner is a derogatory statement.

As I said, I do not consider Thai women as good choices for girlfriends or wives for the reasons I have already mentioned and I have been living in Thailand for almost 30 years, seen a lot of changes and because this is how events and attitudes have progressed over time.

How else would you like me to explain this or what else do you prefer to hear?

I have personally witnessed too many of my friends and associates being scammed in the past and my statements are not made out of prejudice or unfounded. Today, i would never introduce any of my male family or friends to Thai women, without first having a complete knowledge of they`re background and true intentions.

My point is that whatever guys decide to take on, they do at their own discretion, but treat with caution, keeping in mind the reputations many of these women have acquired over the years.

When I first got to Thailand we picked German Shepherds to guard our airplanes. They were really good at. Better than other breeds. And they were fierce and loyal. Different breeds of dogs do different things well. Some herd some guard.

But that is not the case with women.

When you classify Thai women into three groups you only show your ignorance of Thai women.

Success in the West is a trophy wife and trophy family. You brought that culture with you like a turtle brought his shell. Success in Thailand is staying single. But that observation is not about Thai women it is about men.

The smart guys in Thailand are the single guys who live well. It is partly luck because you have to be healthy and have a source of income.

Are you suggesting raising children as a single father is smart?

Or are you simply suggesting that having children is not smart?

Some clarification needed please

[phl]

NEP... I said NEP

What is NEP?

[kerryk]

Success in Thailand is staying single. But that observation is not about Thai women it is about men.

The smart guys in Thailand are the single guys who live well. It is partly luck because you have to be healthy and have a source of income.

Are you suggesting raising children as a single father is smart?

Or are you simply suggesting that having children is not smart?

Some clarification needed please

No. Having children is an individual decision. I would want my children educated in the West but that is not to say there are not good alternatives in Thailand given you spend the cash.

Thailand is biased towards old single guys. Visas, health care, availability of companions. I think it is very difficult to be young and raise a family here.

[brit1984]

Success in Thailand is staying single. But that observation is not about Thai women it is about men.

The smart guys in Thailand are the single guys who live well. It is partly luck because you have to be healthy and have a source of income.

Are you suggesting raising children as a single father is smart?

Or are you simply suggesting that having children is not smart?

Some clarification needed please

No. Having children is an individual decision. I would want my children educated in the West but that is not to say there are not good alternatives in Thailand given you spend the cash.

Thailand is biased towards old single guys. Visas, health care, availability of companions. I think it is very difficult to be young and raise a family here.

Actually, I personally am finding it quite easy at the moment ("to be young and raise a family here"), but I understand your point about the limitations of the Thai education system, which are likely to mean that we move elsewhere in the future.

However, if we had no children, I cannot see any obvious obstacles for my wife and I to live in Thailand. I don't see how being single would make life any better. In fact, as I can't read Thai or speak Thai fluently it would possibly be more problematic.

(the latter point I believe fits with your hypothesis on another thread)

Edited July 6, 2012 by brit1984

[kerryk]

Success in Thailand is staying single. But that observation is not about Thai women it is about men.

The smart guys in Thailand are the single guys who live well. It is partly luck because you have to be healthy and have a source of income.

Are you suggesting raising children as a single father is smart?

Or are you simply suggesting that having children is not smart?

Some clarification needed please

No. Having children is an individual decision. I would want my children educated in the West but that is not to say there are not good alternatives in Thailand given you spend the cash.

Thailand is biased towards old single guys. Visas, health care, availability of companions. I think it is very difficult to be young and raise a family here.

Actually, I personally am finding it quite easy at the moment ("to be young and raise a family here"), but I understand your point about the limitations of the Thai education system, which are likely to mean that we move elsewhere in the future.

However, if we had no children, I cannot see any obvious obstacles for my wife and I to live in Thailand. I don't see how being single would make life any better. In fact, as I can't read Thai or speak Thai fluently it would possibly be more problematic.

(the latter point I believe fits with your hypothesis on another thread)

It is just the voice of experience and cynicism. I had three great marriages. I had three bad divorces.

Now I think single is smarter. It just depends on where you are in the cycle.

[HeavyDrinker]

It is just the voice of experience and cynicism. I had three great marriages. I had three bad divorces.

Now I think single is smarter. It just depends on where you are in the cycle.

I've been married nearly 21 years...what's your secret...??

[NanLaew]

NEP... I said NEP

What is NEP?

Nana Entertainment Plaza.

Cool your jets... she's not in Pattayaland.

[kerryk]

It is just the voice of experience and cynicism. I had three great marriages. I had three bad divorces.

Now I think single is smarter. It just depends on where you are in the cycle.

I've been married nearly 21 years...what's your secret...??

Secret to what? And put my name in the post. How am I supposed to know it's me?

[brit1984]

It is just the voice of experience and cynicism. I had three great marriages. I had three bad divorces.

Now I think single is smarter. It just depends on where you are in the cycle.

Maybe being single is smarter for you (not necessarily for everyone), but anyway you are not single.

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[HeavyDrinker]

Secret to what?

Getting out of it all. It was meant to be a humorous remark but you seem a tad fractious today old bean.

And put my name in the post. How am I supposed to know it's me?

You really should be able to remember what you wrote not an hour since....?

[maxme]

@brit1984

I guess it all depends on your situation. Where you live, what visa you have and what your income is.

Take English teaching jobs in Bangkok for example, where they offer 20 000 baht to people with an university degree is just plain silly compared to what the neighboring countries are offering for the same level.

As you know most of the younglings that come here do not have the same capital as the elder ones and therefor have to struggle harder. Add to that if you have children the expenses rise exponentially and you still have to deal with the visa issue.

I guess the bottom line is Thailand is hard place to raise a family in but not impossible if you have got the capital for it and many barely have.

[kerryk]

Secret to what?

Getting out of it all. It was meant to be a humorous remark but you seem a tad fractious today old bean.

And put my name in the post. How am I supposed to know it's me?

You really should be able to remember what you wrote not an hour since....?

I'm getting pretty old you know. I been in Thailand since before they ate rice.

[kerryk]

It is just the voice of experience and cynicism. I had three great marriages. I had three bad divorces.

Now I think single is smarter. It just depends on where you are in the cycle.

Maybe being single is smarter for you (not necessarily for everyone), but anyway you are not single.

Sent from iPhone; please forgive any typos or violations of forum rules

I'm a whore. My GF offered me a new house and a lazy boy recliner and a large screen TV with Satellite dish. What can you say?