Chavalit: Govt Restraint, Court Prudence Needed

[Emptyset]

Dont be absurd! Communist training camps, what in the world are you talking about?

From my earlier original post which I'm sure you read before you then attacked all my posts as being myopic etc.;

http://www.atimes.co...a/LE13Ae01.html

"His five-year odyssey with the Communist Party of Thailand (CPT) included a three-month period in Hanoi in the heady period following the unification of Vietnam under communist rule. There, Therdpoum and a handful of hand-picked Thai activists, like prominent student leader Seksan Prasertkun, as well as current UDD leaders Weng Tochirakan and Jaran Dittapichai, were drilled in Maoist revolutionary theory. "

Is that an article from the Sonthi owned Asia Times?

Regardless, as a fully developed and functioning grown man, (i presume) are you really suggesting a 3 month 'Communist Training Camp' is anything other than complete rubbish?

Why would it be rubbish? This was in the late 70s. What's clearly rubbish is the notion that they'd be in Hanoi to be drilled in 'Maoist revolutionary theory'. Vietnam was Marxist-Leninist. Vietnam obviously sided with Russia in the Sino-Soviet split; which is incidentally, one reason why the CPT crumbled - internal disagreement over whether they should side with Russia or China. The majority of them decided to go for China, which proved to be a mistake. Because of the detente between China and the US, China pulled much of its funding and political support for the CPT.

[Emptyset]

Well, you are the one who, three posts ago, rubbished all my writing based on your contention that I had said Chaidee "was UDD".

I had never said that. I said he had long-time UDD allies dating back to their shared experiences in communist brainwashing camps in Hanoi, and I had been told he contributed to early UDD magazine articles too. I never said he was a UDD member. Your claim that I had said he is a UDD member is a falsehood.

I would suppose that most people would assume, from your initial post, that Chaidee was a current UDD ally, as you didn't mention he and his former allies had gone in seperate directors. Imagine if I said 'longtime Thaksin ally and Thai Rak Thai supporter Sonthi Lim' - and quoted his comments on Thaksin without mentioning the last 7 years of history... I think it would be fair if people assumed that I might be being slightly disingenuous if I said such a thing, without at least disclosing the fact that Thaksin and Sonthi were actually former allies and not currently allied as you made it sound.

[Yunla]

I would suppose that most people would assume, from your initial post, that Chaidee was a current UDD ally, as you didn't mention he and his former allies had gone in seperate directors.

Well firstly, re; his allies. I don't believe any official statements given by UDD or PTP, they are arsonists and murderers and they are out-on-bail or fleeing fugitive criminals. I can not seriously take the word of people like that as "the truth". Also they have a hidden agenda that is in my opinion absolutely massive.

UDD leadership members were in the communist brainwashing camp in Vietnam with Chaidee years ago. Those UDD men are now saying that they are no longer revolutionary communists, I do not believe them. They have been told to play down the revolutionary communist stuff, because their party PTP is in power and are also in the trunk-section of their covert plans to topple the Thai state in my opinion.

PTP are a classic authoritarian integrated command & control structure, and they have no intention of letting UDD members revolutionary communist beliefs spoil the Yingluck media-party they are currently playing.

And re; Chaidee, I was using his name because he gives great quotes and does not deny his hardcore revolutionary communist beliefs, unlike the alleged reformed UDD men. He was a good example that I used to show the kind of history that PTP members have grown up with and also it is not contentious at all, if you watched the redmob public speeches in 09/10 you will know the speeches structure and phrasing were lifted from many of Mao's own speeches.

I mentioned all this in response to an earlier post by people saying PTP rewriting the constitution is OK because they have no anti-LM or anit-monarchy agenda. That statement was absurd and I used the best examples I could think of and presented them appropriately, to attempt to refute that earlier statement.

Edited July 11, 2012 by Yunla