gharknes Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 I have done several internet ping traces over the last few weeks and although everyone thinks there is a problem external to thailand I have found this is not the case, CAT telecom have consistantly shown to be the network problem, here is a trace I did this Am to Thaivisa, you can see very clearly there is a high ping some 200ms within the CAT-11Gservice, I have mailed them several times about this and got no response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai Dee Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 It is painfully slow today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldAsiaHand Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 Yeah. In spite of all the complaints about True ADSL (and they are more than justified), this is the first day I have found my connnection so slow as to be almost unusable. Most pages time out before loading and the disconnects are continual. Crappy, slow service for two year and I have endured, but it was never even close to this bad before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gharknes Posted January 16, 2006 Author Share Posted January 16, 2006 I would guess that all Thailand ISP's use CAT Telecom system somewhere along the line, it seems they are having trouble supplying the demand or they are having maintenance trouble with their routers and equipment, I would go for a mixture of both, either way CAT Telecom is the problem. They are within Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 The main problem is that CAT don't have qualified personell to maintain routers, DNS, proxies etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierra01 Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 Or supply enough bandwidth George? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gharknes Posted January 16, 2006 Author Share Posted January 16, 2006 Or supply enough bandwidth George? I don't think bandwidth is the problem in this case, if you notice the 200ms issue is between two CAT-11G nodes, there are three, the data from 1-2 is fine but from 2-3 there is a huge dip, ignore the spike later in the trace, this was just a spike, this problem can only get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buadhai Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 (edited) I've been on and off most of the day and my connection (MaxNet4Home 512/256) seems about normal. Here's a Speakeasy test using the San Francisco server at 1545 16 January 2006 from Korat: Download Speed: 380 kbps (47.5 KB/sec transfer rate) Upload Speed: 60 kbps (7.5 KB/sec transfer rate) Here's the traceroute: traceroute to thaivisa.com (69.93.20.90), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 84.141 ms 5.859 ms 1.347 ms 2 58.147.80.0 (58.147.80.0) 53.537 ms 28.805 ms 28.536 ms 3 10.122.30.254 (10.122.30.254) 29.331 ms 29.478 ms 29.380 ms 4 172.16.10.121 (172.16.10.121) 40.657 ms 40.138 ms 40.177 ms 5 172.16.10.2 (172.16.10.2) 41.120 ms 40.150 ms 40.567 ms 6 172.16.10.98 (172.16.10.98) 42.140 ms 40.949 ms 41.503 ms 7 192.168.10.10 (192.168.10.10) 35.967 ms 36.550 ms 37.417 ms 8 203.156.188.197 (203.156.188.197) 48.905 ms 37.430 ms 36.643 ms 9 gateway.ji-net.com (203.147.0.62) 53.833 ms 39.719 ms 37.979 ms 10 61.19.15.213 (61.19.15.213) 38.876 ms 48.685 ms 37.581 ms 11 202.47.253.138 (202.47.253.138) 335.976 ms 333.332 ms 395.048 ms 12 202.47.253.217 (202.47.253.217) 464.794 ms 538.942 ms 455.779 ms 13 63.65.153.13 (63.65.153.13) 513.162 ms 454.725 ms 456.134 ms 14 0.so-7-0-0.xl1.lax1.alter.net (152.63.112.250) 510.340 ms 515.990 ms 506.129 ms 15 0.so-7-0-0.xl1.dfw13.alter.net (152.63.103.218) 489.721 ms 488.671 ms 484.105 ms 16 pos6-0.gw1.dfw13.alter.net (152.63.103.85) 599.677 ms 571.760 ms 553.865 ms 17 theplanet-gw.customer.alter.net (157.130.143.226) 568.668 ms 649.651 ms 547.434 ms 18 vl31.dsr02.dllstx3.theplanet.com (70.85.127.30) 503.508 ms 519.459 ms 503.286 ms 19 vl22.dsr02.dllstx2.theplanet.com (70.85.127.76) 578.278 ms 635.392 ms 590.659 ms 20 vl1.car12.dllstx2.theplanet.com (12.96.160.17) 617.763 ms 550.747 ms 550.990 ms 21 thaivisa.com (69.93.20.90) 571.981 ms 559.393 ms 544.878 ms Pretty dismal on that same hop to 202.47.253.138 Edited January 16, 2006 by buadhai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astral Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 CAT is a real dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deksan Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 Or supply enough bandwidth George? I don't think bandwidth is the problem in this case, if you notice the 200ms issue is between two CAT-11G nodes, there are three, the data from 1-2 is fine but from 2-3 there is a huge dip, ignore the spike later in the trace, this was just a spike, this problem can only get worse. I dont think it s really the pbm, there might be one ip for the router inside CAT for the provider and the next router is the CAT gateway. So 200ms between cat router isp and cat router gateway just means your isp is saturated and need more bandwidth. I dont want to find excuses for CAT but ISPs arent all white here. I m impatient that ISPs acquire their own bandwitdth and get rid of CAT, less ppl involved = less troubles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippybangkok Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 CAT is being side lined slowly...... the future looks bright ( refer to NTC rulings of late). Possibly we might look forward to more stable connections and cheaper o/s calls once competition comes in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giulio Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 The main problem is that CAT don't have qualified personell to maintain routers, DNS, proxies etc. i gree with you but i think also that the bandwitch is not enough and many times is oversystem,but cat and all isp continue to make new contracts adsl.........so maybe after 1 years maybe me that i get goldcyber tot i'm able to download from europe to 1-3 kilobytes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gharknes Posted January 16, 2006 Author Share Posted January 16, 2006 I've been on and off most of the day and my connection (MaxNet4Home 512/256) seems about normal. Here's a Speakeasy test using the San Francisco server at 1545 16 January 2006 from Korat:Download Speed: 380 kbps (47.5 KB/sec transfer rate) Upload Speed: 60 kbps (7.5 KB/sec transfer rate) Here's the traceroute: traceroute to thaivisa.com (69.93.20.90), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 84.141 ms 5.859 ms 1.347 ms 2 58.147.80.0 (58.147.80.0) 53.537 ms 28.805 ms 28.536 ms 3 10.122.30.254 (10.122.30.254) 29.331 ms 29.478 ms 29.380 ms 4 172.16.10.121 (172.16.10.121) 40.657 ms 40.138 ms 40.177 ms 5 172.16.10.2 (172.16.10.2) 41.120 ms 40.150 ms 40.567 ms 6 172.16.10.98 (172.16.10.98) 42.140 ms 40.949 ms 41.503 ms 7 192.168.10.10 (192.168.10.10) 35.967 ms 36.550 ms 37.417 ms 8 203.156.188.197 (203.156.188.197) 48.905 ms 37.430 ms 36.643 ms 9 gateway.ji-net.com (203.147.0.62) 53.833 ms 39.719 ms 37.979 ms 10 61.19.15.213 (61.19.15.213) 38.876 ms 48.685 ms 37.581 ms 11 202.47.253.138 (202.47.253.138) 335.976 ms 333.332 ms 395.048 ms 12 202.47.253.217 (202.47.253.217) 464.794 ms 538.942 ms 455.779 ms 13 63.65.153.13 (63.65.153.13) 513.162 ms 454.725 ms 456.134 ms 14 0.so-7-0-0.xl1.lax1.alter.net (152.63.112.250) 510.340 ms 515.990 ms 506.129 ms 15 0.so-7-0-0.xl1.dfw13.alter.net (152.63.103.218) 489.721 ms 488.671 ms 484.105 ms 16 pos6-0.gw1.dfw13.alter.net (152.63.103.85) 599.677 ms 571.760 ms 553.865 ms 17 theplanet-gw.customer.alter.net (157.130.143.226) 568.668 ms 649.651 ms 547.434 ms 18 vl31.dsr02.dllstx3.theplanet.com (70.85.127.30) 503.508 ms 519.459 ms 503.286 ms 19 vl22.dsr02.dllstx2.theplanet.com (70.85.127.76) 578.278 ms 635.392 ms 590.659 ms 20 vl1.car12.dllstx2.theplanet.com (12.96.160.17) 617.763 ms 550.747 ms 550.990 ms 21 thaivisa.com (69.93.20.90) 571.981 ms 559.393 ms 544.878 ms Pretty dismal on that same hop to 202.47.253.138 your connection doesn't seem to go near cat telecom so you are lucky and hardly relevant to us unfortunate peps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gharknes Posted January 17, 2006 Author Share Posted January 17, 2006 I've been on and off most of the day and my connection (MaxNet4Home 512/256) seems about normal. Here's a Speakeasy test using the San Francisco server at 1545 16 January 2006 from Korat: Download Speed: 380 kbps (47.5 KB/sec transfer rate) Upload Speed: 60 kbps (7.5 KB/sec transfer rate) Here's the traceroute: traceroute to thaivisa.com (69.93.20.90), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 84.141 ms 5.859 ms 1.347 ms 2 58.147.80.0 (58.147.80.0) 53.537 ms 28.805 ms 28.536 ms 3 10.122.30.254 (10.122.30.254) 29.331 ms 29.478 ms 29.380 ms 4 172.16.10.121 (172.16.10.121) 40.657 ms 40.138 ms 40.177 ms 5 172.16.10.2 (172.16.10.2) 41.120 ms 40.150 ms 40.567 ms 6 172.16.10.98 (172.16.10.98) 42.140 ms 40.949 ms 41.503 ms 7 192.168.10.10 (192.168.10.10) 35.967 ms 36.550 ms 37.417 ms 8 203.156.188.197 (203.156.188.197) 48.905 ms 37.430 ms 36.643 ms 9 gateway.ji-net.com (203.147.0.62) 53.833 ms 39.719 ms 37.979 ms 10 61.19.15.213 (61.19.15.213) 38.876 ms 48.685 ms 37.581 ms 11 202.47.253.138 (202.47.253.138) 335.976 ms 333.332 ms 395.048 ms 12 202.47.253.217 (202.47.253.217) 464.794 ms 538.942 ms 455.779 ms 13 63.65.153.13 (63.65.153.13) 513.162 ms 454.725 ms 456.134 ms 14 0.so-7-0-0.xl1.lax1.alter.net (152.63.112.250) 510.340 ms 515.990 ms 506.129 ms 15 0.so-7-0-0.xl1.dfw13.alter.net (152.63.103.218) 489.721 ms 488.671 ms 484.105 ms 16 pos6-0.gw1.dfw13.alter.net (152.63.103.85) 599.677 ms 571.760 ms 553.865 ms 17 theplanet-gw.customer.alter.net (157.130.143.226) 568.668 ms 649.651 ms 547.434 ms 18 vl31.dsr02.dllstx3.theplanet.com (70.85.127.30) 503.508 ms 519.459 ms 503.286 ms 19 vl22.dsr02.dllstx2.theplanet.com (70.85.127.76) 578.278 ms 635.392 ms 590.659 ms 20 vl1.car12.dllstx2.theplanet.com (12.96.160.17) 617.763 ms 550.747 ms 550.990 ms 21 thaivisa.com (69.93.20.90) 571.981 ms 559.393 ms 544.878 ms Pretty dismal on that same hop to 202.47.253.138 your connection doesn't seem to go near cat telecom so you are lucky and hardly relevant to us unfortunate peps oh it does, CAT are nodes 11 and 12, the ones with high ping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melus Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 I get the same high ping within the CAT-11Gservice as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abandon Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 The problem is that CAT do not have enough experienced personell to wind up their computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Conners Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Latency is not the same as bandwidth. What you see is just the trip from Bangkok to Los Angeles - that kind of distance will always take a long time. I used to think CAT was the biggest problem but I have to say that I generally get the 512/256 promised with my CSLOX/TTT ADSL. Not cheap, mind, at 2800 bt/month, but well worth the price! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gharknes Posted January 17, 2006 Author Share Posted January 17, 2006 Latency is not the same as bandwidth. What you see is just the trip from Bangkok to Los Angeles - that kind of distance will always take a long time.I used to think CAT was the biggest problem but I have to say that I generally get the 512/256 promised with my CSLOX/TTT ADSL. Not cheap, mind, at 2800 bt/month, but well worth the price! the high ping you are looking at is within the CAT network between 2 nodes in thailand and not Los Angeles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Conners Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 No, that's not how it works. Each ping value is the latency from your PC to the IP address noted. 202.47.253.217 is CAT's router in the US, the latency of ~250ms is the tip over the Pacific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gharknes Posted January 18, 2006 Author Share Posted January 18, 2006 (edited) No, that's not how it works. Each ping value is the latency from your PC to the IP address noted.202.47.253.217 is CAT's router in the US, the latency of ~250ms is the tip over the Pacific. CAT doesn't have a router in the USA, the node you describe above is in Thailand, my trace software also has a geographical map display, it also shows location data. I also understand about latency but most people know what ping is so i use that term. I worked for Nortel Networks for 27 years Edited January 18, 2006 by gharknes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 (edited) Both 61.19.15.213 and 202.47.253.217 are Asia Pacific's gateway, located in Queensland, Australia. Milton to be specific... It seems Ji-net (and Maxnet, which uses the Ji-net infrastructure) gets priority over trafic coming from True! I can ping as much as I like, my traffic never gets stuck for more then 200 msec in CAT's servers... Edited January 18, 2006 by monty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Eventhough most graphical trace programs will place the servers in Thailand, these servers ar in Australia! 202.47.253.138 Record Type: IP Address OrgName: Asia Pacific Network Information Centre OrgID: APNIC Address: PO Box 2131 City: Milton StateProv: QLD PostalCode: 4064 Country: AU My traffic never pings more then 300 msec on these Australian servers... So this might actually be the traffic coming from True only being held up, probably because CAT throttles the bandwidth according to how much ISP's pay!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lom Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Both 61.19.15.213 and 202.47.253.217 are Asia Pacific's gateway, located in Queensland, Australia. Milton to be specific...It seems Ji-net (and Maxnet, which uses the Ji-net infrastructure) gets priority over trafic coming from True! I can ping as much as I like, my traffic never gets stuck for more then 200 msec in CAT's servers... IP Address: 202.47.253.217 Location: BANGKOK (13.733 N, 100.500 E) Network: CAT-IIGservice IP Address: 61.1915.213 Location: BANGKOK (13.733 N, 100.500 E) Network: CAT so they are in no way related to Asia Pacific Au. Today , there is "just" a 200mS delay within CAT and another 120mS from CAT to NTT (Verio) in US. The 120mS delay is justified by the distance between the nodes but the delay within CAT is not acceptable. It was 800 - 1000 mS last week so internet seems speedy today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Conners Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Well you believe what you want but I can tell you for 100% sure that this 200+ ms hop is definitely the hop out of Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lom Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Well you believe what you want but I can tell you for 100% sure that this 200+ ms hop is definitely the hop out of Thailand. Yes sure I do, especially after having checked http://www.verio.com/about/network/gin.cfm and http://www.cat.net.th/thix/connectivitymap.html I cant see (and there is no reason for it) that traffic from LOS passes AU on it's way to US or Europe. I believe the 200+ mS is spent within a very busy CAT caching proxxy server.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mali_in_CM Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Yeah, mine is slow. I've got the el cheapo 999B/mo with no speed promised. Is there an ISP in ChiangMai who will deliver on, let's say, 512/256? Any idea of price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silurian Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I contacted True since I am experiencing 50K to 90K download speeds during the evening to the US. Of course they did the usual of testing the line. Then they insisted to send out a technician to the house. I know it isn't an issue with the line in the house since I get 2M to adslthailand.com. When the technician came out, I explained the issue to him. He called the office and then explained to me that True only guarantees bandwidth within their network. He then stated that the reason it is slow is due to CAT limiting the bandwidth out from True and there is nothing that True can do about it. He did state I could purchase a leased line for 30,000 baht/month. That's not going to happen. I did find that my company has a local VPN pop for me to use but for some reason I get between 160ms to 220ms ping time from my house in Bangkok to that VPN gateway which I believe is in Bangkok. I have no idea how this traffic is getting routed around. The tracert shows at least 15 hops from my house to a point where it seems to be blocked. At least it seems better to go across the VPN for now until the True/CAT interchange gets better. -Sil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierra01 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Could someone put all this into plain, old fashioned English for those of us that haven't a clue what on earth your talking about, and just want to know why our internet speeds are a joke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gharknes Posted January 18, 2006 Author Share Posted January 18, 2006 boy has it ground to a halt within the last 30 minutes, i upgraded from 256 to 512 yesterday and this today is very very bad indeed, there must be technical problems somewhere, i tried to call TT&T tech line and it is constantly engaged, i tried a speed test and it timed out lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 (edited) He called the office and then explained to me that True only guarantees bandwidth within their network. This is true, if you look at the fine print, if not altogether in line with user expectation. He then stated that the reason it is slow is due to CAT limiting the bandwidth out from True This is mostly true, in that True cannot get as much international bandwidth from CAT as they want, and they have publicly called for ending CAT's monopoly so they can deal with other providers. However: and there is nothing that True can do about it. This is complete bullshit. True *could* stop signing up new ADSL customers until they can get more international bandwidth from CAT. Edited January 18, 2006 by Crushdepth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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