Red Shirts To Rally At Court For Ruling On Jatuporn

[Buchholz]

Red shirts will stage a rally today in front of the Criminal Court, which is due to decide whether to revoke the bail of red-shirt leader Jatuporn Promphan.

Will this be the 300,000 to 400,000 Red Shirts that Thida promised would rally earlier this month, but didn't materialize?

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[Arkady]

I tried to sympathise with the sentiment of the some Red Shirt supporters – i.e. the working class fight for democracy (supposedly). Now their protests are signs of threat/aggression and simply bothersome.

On the way to work this morning (7.30am) – a Red Shirt truck was blaring music at full volume! 7.30am!!! That is just inconsiderate, intrusive and plain selfish. I don’t care how noble the cause is – I don’t want to listen to any loud music at 7.30am in the morning!!!

I don't want to listen to this mindless gunge at any time of day.

[Skywalker69]

Yes totally normal in real democracies. Politicians get locked up because of their speeches and staging rallies is undemocratic.

In real democracies, persons facing serious criminal charges are not nominated as candidates for election, nor given dodgy party list seats as a reward for their criminal activities and to help them avoid prosecution.

There is also the tendency for those facing very serious charges NOT to be granted bail, and those lucky enough to get this privilege are usually smart enough to obey their bail conditions.

But that's in a REAL democracy and not here.

Real democracies are also notoriously intolerant of people intimidating judges.

True words spoken.

[OzMick]

I think they should look 'em all up and throw away the key. But my guess is they'll be out of jail in no time.

But if I did what he did I would be in jail or kicked out of the country, it's good to be Thai sometimes.

http://www.courierma...z-1226426065160 Australia has the best jails. Bedroom looks like F1 hotel

Democrat spokesman Chavanond Intarakomalyasut said yesterday that red shirts hounded Abhisit from the airport to a hotel where the Democrats held a seminar. Some even tried to block Abhisit's car with their vehicles.

Abhisit Vejjajiva on Saturday slammed the red shirts' violent attack on him in Chiang Mai, saying the incident was obviously intended to hurt him and threw rocks at the car he came in, damaging it.

They didn't just block his car they smashed it, from what I heard but free to air TV didn't report it nor newspapers by the look of it. Onya Nation

Smashed it, really, from "what you heard" not just "blocked" by two pickups with his car managing to get through without damage as reported. Oh well, I'll wait for the photographs of this smashed car.............

I was surprised that not one of the red shirts managed to push his granny under the wheels of Abhisit's car. They could then label him a murderer (again) AND collect B7.7 million.

[OzMick]

Abhisit could use some advice from former NSW Premier Bob Askin.

[webfact]

Pheu Thai spokesman: Red shirts rally outside Criminal Court not pressuring judges, hopes court will review Jatuporn's bail fairly /MCOT

[Buchholz]

Red shirts will stage a rally today in front of the Criminal Court, which is due to decide whether to revoke the bail of red-shirt leader Jatuporn Promphan.

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[phiphidon]

I think they should look 'em all up and throw away the key. But my guess is they'll be out of jail in no time.

But if I did what he did I would be in jail or kicked out of the country, it's good to be Thai sometimes.

http://www.courierma...z-1226426065160 Australia has the best jails. Bedroom looks like F1 hotel

Democrat spokesman Chavanond Intarakomalyasut said yesterday that red shirts hounded Abhisit from the airport to a hotel where the Democrats held a seminar. Some even tried to block Abhisit's car with their vehicles.

Abhisit Vejjajiva on Saturday slammed the red shirts' violent attack on him in Chiang Mai, saying the incident was obviously intended to hurt him and threw rocks at the car he came in, damaging it.

They didn't just block his car they smashed it, from what I heard but free to air TV didn't report it nor newspapers by the look of it. Onya Nation

Smashed it, really, from "what you heard" not just "blocked" by two pickups with his car managing to get through without damage as reported. Oh well, I'll wait for the photographs of this smashed car.............

Yes, you were deliberately misleading, nothing new there.

Did you read the article in yesterdays Bangkok Post? - a trifle less emotional than LindsayBKKs post and almost the same as I posted within the limits of not quoting from the BP.

Now if you have a picture of the smashed car you will have contributed in your small way to this thread after all.

[tlansford]

Yes totally normal in real democracies. Politicians get locked up because of their speeches and staging rallies is undemocratic.

In real democracies, persons facing serious criminal charges are not nominated as candidates for election, nor given dodgy party list seats as a reward for their criminal activities and to help them avoid prosecution.

There is also the tendency for those facing very serious charges NOT to be granted bail, and those lucky enough to get this privilege are usually smart enough to obey their bail conditions.

But that's in a REAL democracy and not here.

Real democracies are also notoriously intolerant of people intimidating judges.

Real democracies select judges through democratic processes.

Looks like democracy is coming to Thailand branch of gov't by branch of gov't...

Edited July 23, 2012 by tlansford

[Lifer]

I tried to sympathise with the sentiment of the some Red Shirt supporters – i.e. the working class fight for democracy (supposedly). Now their protests are signs of threat/aggression and simply bothersome.

On the way to work this morning (7.30am) – a Red Shirt truck was blaring music at full volume! 7.30am!!! That is just inconsiderate, intrusive and plain selfish. I don’t care how noble the cause is – I don’t want to listen to any loud music at 7.30am in the morning!!!

Although I live in a "red Shirt" area and see this l kind of crap going on all the time, remember that Thais only really care about themselves when it comes to disturbing neighbors with their drinking, low music, and 1-5 dogs/house.

[thaicbr]

Yes totally normal in real democracies. Politicians get locked up because of their speeches and staging rallies is undemocratic.

In real democracies, persons facing serious criminal charges are not nominated as candidates for election, nor given dodgy party list seats as a reward for their criminal activities and to help them avoid prosecution.

There is also the tendency for those facing very serious charges NOT to be granted bail, and those lucky enough to get this privilege are usually smart enough to obey their bail conditions.

But that's in a REAL democracy and not here.

Real democracies are also notoriously intolerant of people intimidating judges.

Real democracies select judges through democratic processes.

Looks like democracy is coming to Thailand branch of gov't by branch of gov't...

Strikes me that its the same here as the Uk. Which I presume you agree is a democratic country ( which doesn't have a constitution)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Court_judge#section_2

So I'm not sure what you are trying to imply. Again

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[Robby nz]

Real democracies select judges through democratic processes.

Looks like democracy is coming to Thailand branch of gov't by branch of gov't...

It is my understanding that the King appoints judges in this country, that not good enough for you?

[soundman]

Several off topic posts were removed. Please don't re-post them, and try to stick to the topic at hand, which incidentally, is not the election results, or your interpretation of them.

[Crushdepth]

Yes totally normal in real democracies. Politicians get locked up because of their speeches and staging rallies is undemocratic.

In real democracies, persons facing serious criminal charges are not nominated as candidates for election, nor given dodgy party list seats as a reward for their criminal activities and to help them avoid prosecution.

There is also the tendency for those facing very serious charges NOT to be granted bail, and those lucky enough to get this privilege are usually smart enough to obey their bail conditions.

But that's in a REAL democracy and not here.

Real democracies are also notoriously intolerant of people intimidating judges.

Real democracies select judges through democratic processes.

Looks like democracy is coming to Thailand branch of gov't by branch of gov't...

Really?

They are generally *appointed* by the executive, head of state or a commission, actually.

[Lite Beer]

RT@tulsathit: TR @news1005fm: Court postpones Jatuporn bail revocation hearing to Aug 9.

[saltandpepper]

RT@tulsathit: TR @news1005fm: Court postpones Jatuporn bail revocation hearing to Aug 9.

why?

[jimsrant]

I tried to sympathise with the sentiment of the some Red Shirt supporters – i.e. the working class fight for democracy (supposedly). Now their protests are signs of threat/aggression and simply bothersome.

On the way to work this morning (7.30am) – a Red Shirt truck was blaring music at full volume! 7.30am!!! That is just inconsiderate, intrusive and plain selfish. I don’t care how noble the cause is – I don’t want to listen to any loud music at 7.30am in the morning!!!

I tried to sympathise with the sentiment of the some Red Shirt supporters – i.e. the working class fight for democracy (supposedly). Now their protests are signs of threat/aggression and simply bothersome.

On the way to work this morning (7.30am) – a Red Shirt truck was blaring music at full volume! 7.30am!!! That is just inconsiderate, intrusive and plain selfish. I don’t care how noble the cause is – I don’t want to listen to any loud music at 7.30am in the morning!!!

Then your clearly are in the wrong country. If you live near most temples at least once a week you will be woken by loud music and chanting at 5.30am. On each holiday day you will be woken by loud music and chanting for most of the day.

Loud music and chanting for any event is the norm in Thailand.

You clearly have no concept of thai culture and would be best going somewhere that has a different culture because you are not going to change this one and nor would I want you to.

[theajarn]

I too was going to side with the red shirts at one point -- a former student of mine explained to me why she sympathises with them and she did a VERY good job at explaining it all.

Simply put (but these are my thoughts not my student's) -- Thaksin is good because he is the embodiment of corruption. Without him corruption isn't centralised to get the country anywhere. Look at it this way: Abhisit was the embodiment of all that's good and just -- but he was just surrounded by criminals. With Abhisit, orders came from outside, all around and thrown at him. With Thaksin however, the orders come from him and only him. The point is that you will never get a clean official. Thaksin controls corruption, and apparently in order to fight corruption in Thailand, you have to be THE most corrupt in the country. So you silly farangs and your democracy have had it wrong all along..

[PoorSucker]

Now if you have a picture of the smashed car you will have contributed in your small way to this thread after all.

How about pictures from 2009.

[webfact]

Court postpones bail revocation decision on Red Shirt leader Jatuporn to Aug 9, orders him not to make any public address to instigate crowd /MCT

[pedro01]

RT@tulsathit: TR @news1005fm: Court postpones Jatuporn bail revocation hearing to Aug 9.

why?

Won't parliament be in session then & his immunity kick back in?

[webfact]

Criminal Court defers decision on Jatuporn

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The Criminal Court Monday deferred its decision to August 9 as to whether to revoke bail of red-shirt leader Jatuporn Promphan or not.

The Criminal Court Monday held a hearing to consider the request by nine Constitution Court judges for Jatuporns' bail to be revoked on ground that he had intimidated the judges during a political rally.

The Criminal Court asked Jatuporn to hear the court's decision at 9 am on August.

The court also warned Jatuporn and red-shirt leaders to be careful about using amplifier system in front of the court as the loud noises violated other people's rights.

The court also warned Jatuporn and other red-shirt leaders to be careful about their public comments.

-- The Nation 2012-07-23

[thaicbr]

RT@tulsathit: TR @news1005fm: Court postpones Jatuporn bail revocation hearing to Aug 9.

why?

Won't parliament be in session then & his immunity kick back in?

Exactly

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[phiphidon]

Red shirts will stage a rally today in front of the Criminal Court, which is due to decide whether to revoke the bail of red-shirt leader Jatuporn Promphan.

Will this be the 300,000 to 400,000 Red Shirts that Thida promised would rally earlier this month, but didn't materialize?

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Probably not, no, but then theres no need now. Ever heard of hyperbole by the way? I'd hate you to go through life taking everything literally. "See you later"

[Buchholz]

RT@tulsathit: TR @news1005fm: Court postpones Jatuporn bail revocation hearing to Aug 9.

why?

Won't parliament be in session then & his immunity kick back in?

Exactly

Jatuporn is no longer an MP and won't have parliamentary immunity when it reconvenes on August 1st.

Court disqualifies UDD leader Jatuporn as MP

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[phiphidon]

I think they should look 'em all up and throw away the key. But my guess is they'll be out of jail in no time.

But if I did what he did I would be in jail or kicked out of the country, it's good to be Thai sometimes.

http://www.courierma...z-1226426065160 Australia has the best jails. Bedroom looks like F1 hotel

Democrat spokesman Chavanond Intarakomalyasut said yesterday that red shirts hounded Abhisit from the airport to a hotel where the Democrats held a seminar. Some even tried to block Abhisit's car with their vehicles.

Abhisit Vejjajiva on Saturday slammed the red shirts' violent attack on him in Chiang Mai, saying the incident was obviously intended to hurt him and threw rocks at the car he came in, damaging it.

They didn't just block his car they smashed it, from what I heard but free to air TV didn't report it nor newspapers by the look of it. Onya Nation

Smashed it, really, from "what you heard" not just "blocked" by two pickups with his car managing to get through without damage as reported. Oh well, I'll wait for the photographs of this smashed car.............

I was surprised that not one of the red shirts managed to push his granny under the wheels of Abhisit's car. They could then label him a murderer (again) AND collect B7.7 million.

Abhisit would probably sue the victims family for denting the bumper ( I was going to say sue for mental cruelty but he wouldn't shed too many, if any, tears for a red shirt granny under the wheels)

[hellodolly]

Any comments on a Democratically elected leader of the opposition, having to deal with such intimidation on a visit to Thailand's 2nd city?

As Red/yellow supporters concede, Thailand is a Democratic country.

In my ignorance, is such treatment of a senior member of parliament (is that the right term in Thailand), normal and accepted in Democracies?

If not, perhaps Thailand, via the current ruling party isn't quite a Democracy yet.

The Red-shirts are nothing to do with PTP so PTP condemnation of such atrocious activities is forthcoming I'm sure

Good one

[Buchholz]

Red shirts will stage a rally today in front of the Criminal Court, which is due to decide whether to revoke the bail of red-shirt leader Jatuporn Promphan.

Will this be the 300,000 to 400,000 Red Shirts that Thida promised would rally earlier this month, but didn't materialize?

.

Probably not, no, but then theres no need now. Ever heard of hyperbole by the way? I'd hate you to go through life taking everything literally. "See you later"

Perhaps you could draft a letter to the Red Shirt Leaders like Thida to tone down their hyberbolic number claims.

Then they wouldn't be re-quoted here and you could rest easy.

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Edited July 23, 2012 by Buchholz

[carra]

Jatuporn is no longer an MP and won't have parliamentary immunity when it reconvenes on August 1st.

Court disqualifies UDD leader Jatuporn as MP

http://www.thaivisa....n-of-mp-status/

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Unless he is given a cabinet post, just like kasit

[hellodolly]

Yes totally normal in real democracies. Politicians get locked up because of their speeches and staging rallies is undemocratic.

"Worawut Wichaidit, a spokesman for the red-shirt movement, said yesterday that red-shirt leaders and supporters would gather at the court today to provide moral support for Jatuporn"

If they really want to help they should be organizing suport for his mental health.

Contrary to popular belief he was not born with his foot in his mouth he kept doig that himself.

I see there are people who think it is undemocratic to stage rallies and is wrong to put people in jail who speak out against the monarchy. People who back and even advocate burning down Bangkok. Maybe Jatuporn is not alone in his need of help.