Utter Idiocy

[harrry]

now, THIS is overloaded.

What is wrong with that....he does have a red cloth showing.

[WebBangkok]

Yeah,

I seen a kid who was no more that 5 years old at the petrol station with his had to no more than 3 year old sister holding onto the back and pulled up beside us trying to buy petrol.

Either they stole it from there parents or there parents are absolute morons.

Luckily a guy on with a pickup went straight over to them and started yelling at them, he got one of the staff to help him put the bike on the pickup and he drove them home.

Some people seem to be really fresh from the bush at times, how can you allow kids that young to ride a motorbike.

[evadgib]

Links of interest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vp3xWsXbs0

A Taxi driver jumps out of his car without considering what effect his actions could cause to others (see how close the gap was at 0.3 & 0.6 secs!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaGTV69Q4Bo

A woman plays russian roulette by pitting her "chicken chaser" (motorbike) against a 3L 4x4.

Edited July 24, 2012 by evadgib

[farang000999]

Before i had children i looked at this stuff cynically as 'Social Darwinism'. People will act stupid and I don't care about them so I do not care. Now I don't know if I have matured or I am fearful for my daughter but this type of irresponsibility rubs me the wrong way these days and I don't know <deleted> is wrong with Thai people and society that they don't set these people straight. I understand that Thais are reserved people and avoid confrontation but a society should set standards for education and safety. But I suppose in Thailand this type of behavior is almost encouraged. It is like the rich Thais running the show want the poor people to stay as dumb as possible.

[harrry]

Links of interest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vp3xWsXbs0

A Taxi driver jumps out of his car without considering what effect his actions could cause to others (see how close the gap was at 0.3 & 0.6 secs!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaGTV69Q4Bo

A woman plays russian roulette by pitting her "chicken chaser" (motorbike) against a 3L 4x4.

To me it looks as if the driver of the 4*4 is not wiling to vary his pace and drive by the road conditions. He expects everyone to let him past like a VIP.

[kennedy]

At least you can't call Thailand the NANY STATE

[Fookhaht]

You all are dreadfully misinterpreting the photographic evidence:

1. This was taken in Russia.

2. The driver is blind and he's relying on the kid for directions.

[MrsMills]

Links of interest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vp3xWsXbs0

A Taxi driver jumps out of his car without considering what effect his actions could cause to others (see how close the gap was at 0.3 & 0.6 secs!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaGTV69Q4Bo

A woman plays russian roulette by pitting her "chicken chaser" (motorbike) against a 3L 4x4.

The SUV driver is driving like an idiot, bet it was a Farang, slow down moron, you knock a Thai kid over in a small town cos you are speeding, you'd better hope the police get to you before the locals do.

Farang in a Fortuner mentality, idiot !!

Edited July 24, 2012 by MrsMills

[Johnniey]

Have you ever heard the adage live and let live?

I am surprised with the amount of time you spent in thailand that you don't understand more about the way people think.

Everything must be fun and exciting.

People here have a faith which manyfarang. perceive as stupidity.

karma and fate etc

do you actually think you can change the day you die ?

I've had my kids on motorbikes but standing in front of me.

I allow my kids to ride their. push bikes with no helmets - am i idiotic. The Australian government think I am but I say **** off.

Should I wrap my kids in cotton wool all their lives?

STanding on a motorbike is not nearly as dangerous as it looks.

one thing i don't allow is for them to go in the back of a pick up.

especially at Song kran . such a dangerous time and immigration amazed st the idiotic faring who do this even drunk. but live and leg live.

there is no good or bad in this world of casuality.

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Edited July 24, 2012 by Johnniey

[robblok]

Links of interest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vp3xWsXbs0

A Taxi driver jumps out of his car without considering what effect his actions could cause to others (see how close the gap was at 0.3 & 0.6 secs!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaGTV69Q4Bo

A woman plays russian roulette by pitting her "chicken chaser" (motorbike) against a 3L 4x4.

The SUV driver is driving like an idiot, bet it was a Farang, slow down moron, you knock a Thai kid over in a small town cos you are speeding, you'd better hope the police get to you before the locals do.

Farang in a Fortuner mentality, idiot !!

Have to agree with that the guy could have slowed down but no he wanted to go on. I really dislike fortuner drivers in general they drive like they own the place. There are of course good ones but in general Thais or farang in fortuners are crazy.

[canuckamuck]

You mean overloaded like this? I think its fertalizer. The truck sounded like a thrashing machine.

Gadzooks!

Edited July 24, 2012 by canuckamuck

[David48]

now, THIS is overloaded.

now, THIS is overloaded.

What is wrong with that....he does have a red cloth showing.

That is an amazing photo ... Amazing Thailand!

EDIT:- I grabbed that photo before it got removed and pasted the 2 quotes above.

Edited July 24, 2012 by David48

[pattayadingo]

Have to admit I see crazy things like this every day in Thailand. If the parents do not have the sense to understand what they are doing, the children never will either. It is about time those in high places started to educate the people.

On the other hand, so called educated people from the west can often be seen in Pattaya - for example - riding on powerful motorbikes at high speed down narrow streets, some doing wheelies as they take off.

That is as stupid as anything a Thai can do on these roads.

[Rimmer]

Giant photographs distorting the forum removed

[GuestHouse]

Have you ever heard the adage live and let live?

I am surprised with the amount of time you spent in thailand that you don't understand more about the way people think.

Everything must be fun and exciting.

People here have a faith which manyfarang. perceive as stupidity.

karma and fate etc

do you actually think you can change the day you die ?

I've had my kids on motorbikes but standing in front of me.

I allow my kids to ride their. push bikes with no helmets - am i idiotic. The Australian government think I am but I say **** off.

Should I wrap my kids in cotton wool all their lives?

STanding on a motorbike is not nearly as dangerous as it looks.

one thing i don't allow is for them to go in the back of a pick up.

especially at Song kran . such a dangerous time and immigration amazed st the idiotic faring who do this even drunk. but live and leg live.

there is no good or bad in this world of casuality.

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This is a good example of "loosing the plot"

[GreenSnapper]

So you take photos while driving a car.

Was there a kid with you then?

[Johnniey]

So you take photos while driving a car.

Was there a kid with you then?

what an idiotic thing to do. pot and black kettle .

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[bendejo]

Disappointed by the misleading title of this thread. And here I was expecting some good cow humor.

Many of you who've been out here a while may have noticed that people in this region don't fret about what could have/almost happened.

[h90]

What is wrong with it?

She could write SMS while driving....

[apetley]

Have you ever heard the adage live and let live?

I am surprised with the amount of time you spent in thailand that you don't understand more about the way people think.

Everything must be fun and exciting.

People here have a faith which manyfarang. perceive as stupidity.

karma and fate etc

do you actually think you can change the day you die ?

I've had my kids on motorbikes but standing in front of me.

I allow my kids to ride their. push bikes with no helmets - am i idiotic. The Australian government think I am but I say **** off.

Should I wrap my kids in cotton wool all their lives?

STanding on a motorbike is not nearly as dangerous as it looks.

one thing i don't allow is for them to go in the back of a pick up.

especially at Song kran . such a dangerous time and immigration amazed st the idiotic faring who do this even drunk. but live and leg live.

there is no good or bad in this world of casuality.

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Standing on motorbikes is not dangerous?

A couple of weeks one of our Thai neighbours was taking his daughter to school. She was standing in front of him. A car came out of a side street. He braked and she knocked 4 teeth out when she nutted the speedo.

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[GuestHouse]

So you take photos while driving a car.

Was there a kid with you then?

what an idiotic thing to do. pot and black kettle .

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It would be an idiotic thing to do if it were not a baseless assumption.

I guess the idea that one can be a passenger in a car has not occured to either of you.

[NBD]

People here have a faith which manyfarang. perceive as stupidity.

karma and fate etc

do you actually think you can change the day you die ?

This is utter <deleted>.

Yes I can change the day I day - I can go out now on a motorbike and drive under a 40 ton truck with no helmet on. I could be standing up on the back of my mate's bike for an even better chance.

Why don't people drive like that in Singapore or Hong Kong where they have a similar belief system?

I agree to a point that Thailand's lax attitude to safety is part of the fun - I like the fact that I can choose not to wear a helmet if I go on a motorbike and sometimes I do. I like the fact that I won't get a serious fine for not wearing a seat belt, driving 1/2 a mile to the shops. But I think it's sad that people place so little value on their own and other people's lives, and so little thought about the consequences of their actions, that they take it to this level.

As for fun and exciting. I doubt it, because it's probably perfectly normal to the kid in that picture, it is simple stupidity and carelessness

[Johnniey]

People here have a faith which manyfarang. perceive as stupidity.

karma and fate etc

do you actually think you can change the day you die ?

This is utter <deleted>.

Yes I can change the day I day - I can go out now on a motorbike and drive under a 40 ton truck with no helmet on. I could be standing up on the back of my mate's bike for an even better chance.

Why don't people drive like that in Singapore or Hong Kong where they have a similar belief system?

I agree to a point that Thailand's lax attitude to safety is part of the fun - I like the fact that I can choose not to wear a helmet if I go on a motorbike and sometimes I do. I like the fact that I won't get a serious fine for not wearing a seat belt, driving 1/2 a mile to the shops. But I think it's sad that people place so little value on their own and other people's lives, and so little thought about the consequences of their actions, that they take it to this level.

As for fun and exciting. I doubt it, because it's probably perfectly normal to the kid in that picture, it is simple stupidity and carelessness

People here have a faith which manyfarang. perceive as stupidity.

karma and fate etc

do you actually think you can change the day you die ?

This is utter <deleted>.

Yes I can change the day I day - I can go out now on a motorbike and drive under a 40 ton truck with no helmet on. I could be standing up on the back of my mate's bike for an even better chance.

Why don't people drive like that in Singapore or Hong Kong where they have a similar belief system?

I agree to a point that Thailand's lax attitude to safety is part of the fun - I like the fact that I can choose not to wear a helmet if I go on a motorbike and sometimes I do. I like the fact that I won't get a serious fine for not wearing a seat belt, driving 1/2 a mile to the shops. But I think it's sad that people place so little value on their own and other people's lives, and so little thought about the consequences of their actions, that they take it to this level.

As for fun and exciting. I doubt it, because it's probably perfectly normal to the kid in that picture, it is simple stupidity and carelessness

Disagree if you want but to say utter <deleted> is rather arrogant.

It's ok to not wear a helmet? You like Thailand for this yet criticize locals for letting it be like this? Hypocrite.

[NBD]

I don't criticise them for letting it be like this, and it's not really about Thailand or Thais anyway as most Thais don't show the level of stupidity shown in that picture. I am criticising the individual concerned for his utter, wanton disregard for the safety of the child he is carrying - presumably his son. His chances of dying or suffering serious permanent injury in even a minor accident are multiplied many times by standing up.

Yes it is kind of arrogant, I believe the value placed on life by educated people ( in Thailand and the rest of the world) is part and parcel of a better way to live than the haphazard idiocy displayed here. On the other hand I enjoy the freedom to take calculated risks on my own behalf as an adult who is aware of them. Feel free to disagree.

[TommoPhysicist]

I really don't see a problem.

Guess you guys are all too used to being told what to do by your nanny states.

[edwinchester]

Have you ever heard the adage live and let live?

I am surprised with the amount of time you spent in thailand that you don't understand more about the way people think.

Everything must be fun and exciting.

People here have a faith which manyfarang. perceive as stupidity.

karma and fate etc

do you actually think you can change the day you die ?

I've had my kids on motorbikes but standing in front of me.

I allow my kids to ride their. push bikes with no helmets - am i idiotic. The Australian government think I am but I say **** off.

Should I wrap my kids in cotton wool all their lives?

STanding on a motorbike is not nearly as dangerous as it looks.

one thing i don't allow is for them to go in the back of a pick up.

especially at Song kran . such a dangerous time and immigration amazed st the idiotic faring who do this even drunk. but live and leg live.

there is no good or bad in this world of casuality.

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If your kids are riding in front of you what do you think will happen too them in the event of an accident?

I'd never let my kids be an airbag.

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[GuestHouse]

I really don't see a problem.

Guess you guys are all too used to being told what to do by your nanny states.

I entitled this post "Utter Idiocy" and commented - 'Needs no words really". You all know my posting style, so 'Needs no words" was a bit of a departure.... One that I gave thought to.

The thought being, I'll express my view that the images I posted have captured 'Utter Idiocy' (my view which I'm please most agree with), and leave it to the board to give their own opinions.

I did not rant against all Thailand, all Thais or even groups of Thais.

Nor did I say there ought to be a law against this, the adult driver(s) need arresting, should be sent to prison/be flogged, child welfare should be called - I did not invoke the power of the state, or indeed the 'Nanny State'.

But here we have TommoPhysicist proclaiming he can see nothing wrong in riding a motorcycle on a public road with a young child standing on the back seat. And then goes on tell us we've all too used to being told what to do by our "Nanny States".

For TommoPhysicist not to see 'anything' wrong, he'd have to have missed his classes on the very basic laws of physics and dynamics. He'd also have to lack any imagination and the ability to extrapolate the consequences of any number of incidents that might cause a sudden change to the direction, speed or vertical alignment of the bike beneath the child. He is, he would have us believe, blind to the risks and the endangerment of a child. We don't need any laws, other than the laws of physics to help us understand this endangerment.

Perhaps Tommo(Failed)Physicist has been blinded to the endangerment of a child by his overriding issues with the Nanny State he was so keen to bring into the discussion.

Where the failure to understand the hazards and the physics indicates a problem of intellect, the latter indicates failings in psychology.

That endangerment of a child brings about such a need to moan about the 'nanny state' is to my mind a tad disturbing.

But I take comfort in the knowledge that it is almost certainly to a Nanny State that TP shall return if and when his freely made life choices here in Thailand go to rat <deleted>.

Edited July 24, 2012 by GuestHouse

[TommoPhysicist]

But I take comfort in the knowledge that it is almost certainly to a Nanny State that TP shall return if and when his freely made life choices here in Thailand go to rat <deleted>.

You're the one finding fault with common behaviour in Thailand.

I'm surprised you are the one that doesn't return to his country or origin after seeing your complete contempt for Thai people, not only in this post, but in many other posts as well. Don't like it here ...... go home.

[David48]

Hi there GuestHouse.

Firstly great that you both bought those images to our attention for discussion and having grown up in a Culture, most likely similar to yours, I can see how aghast you would feel that a societal culture as rich as the Thai would allow such a thing, particularly when it is common practise that an adult should stand for a child on public transport, when quite the opposite is true in my, and most likely your Culture.

When we see something that we don't understand, we try and rationalise it to the set of laws, social, cultural, physical and government that we know.

We know that this riding style poses increased danger to the child.

No helmet is also questionable.

But still, you have the evidence in the photo.

The rider of the bike made a judgement call that the joy that the child experienced outweighed the inherent risks.

Did any of the Thais try and stop the rider and point out to (presumably him) the error and folly of his ways ... most likely not.

Do the Thai population have a much higher death toll per head from motorcycle accidents then say Germany or New Zealand etc ... most likely.

Would I do this with my kid around the Farm at 5 kph ... probably.

Would I do this around a public road at 50 kph ... probably not.

The truefull answer is absoloutly not.

In Australia, on large Farms, it’s is quite common for a child as young as 12 to learn to drive the paddock car and by 15 actually working the Farm tractor.

But would that be allowed on the road … absolutely not.

It similarly comes down to what is acceptable to the country we live in.

So it's not the action (kid on the bike) to be condemned, but the place the action took place?

Again, the rider of the bike thought that it was Ok

I am not trying to argue that what occurred in the photo conforms with my value set, nor am I trying to change your and other readers minds … but I do think that a counter argument could be provided so that there is a balanced view point.

EDIT

In my years I lived in London I spent a fair about of time as a motorcycle courier.

If you were to get sideswiped, a very common form of motorcycle accident, whether the child was standing as the child was in the photo, or tucked up behind Dad ... the result would most likely be, very much the same ... ... Helmets do increase the chance of survival immensely.

.

Edited July 24, 2012 by David48

[GuestHouse]

But I take comfort in the knowledge that it is almost certainly to a Nanny State that TP shall return if and when his freely made life choices here in Thailand go to rat <deleted>.

You're the one finding fault with common behaviour in Thailand.

I'm surprised you are the one that doesn't return to his country or origin after seeing your complete contempt for Thai people, not only in this post, but in many other posts as well. Don't like it here ...... go home.

I'd like you to expand on that TP.

You say I see fault in with common behaviour in Thailand and then state I have complete contempt of Thai people.

OK - Tell me. At what point does the behaviour of a Thai person become so outrageous that you would accept a foreigner being critical of the behaviour?

We have two videos posted elsewhere on Thaivisa today - One of a young Thai man punching out an old cleaning lady, in the second video a Thai youth coaxes a ladyboy to follow him down the stares and then turns and punches his victim in the face, to be joined by friend who also sticks a few punches in.

Am I or anyone else as a foreigner not allowed to express my disgust over this behaviour? - is the mere fact that these attacks are committed by Thais in Thailand and that I am a foreigner justification to deny me the right to comment?

If so, upon who's authority do you TP make these ?

Where is my contempt for Thailand and Thai people? - show it to me.

I've lived and worked in Thailand for 12 out of the past 20 years, I speak read and write the language, I have wide circle of Thai friends from across almost the whole range of Thai society. I specifically choose to socialise with Thais rather than foreigners and have only once in the past 20 years come across a Thai who has told me to go home (he was pissed and ranting about foreigners taking Thai jobs - and for the record it was other Thais who carted him off and asked my to forgive his behaviour).

So come on TP - Put up - Explain yourself.

Explain when it is acceptable in your little world for a foreigner to express an opinion about Thai behaviour?

Give me the evidence of where I hold Thai people in contempt?

Explain upon what authority do you get to decide what opinions foreigners may or may not express in Thailand?

Edited July 24, 2012 by GuestHouse