(What Seems Like A) Sexpat Has A Go At Some Holidaymakers

[nocturn]

this alpha/beta male nonsense seems to be particularly popular amongst body builders and the intellectually challenged

You shouldn't talk about intellect when you have not the slightest knowledge on biology and evolution.

??

Im sorry, i wan't aware i needed a biology degree to offer an opinion.

You could increase your intellectual capabilities if you'd learn reading.

Just try to be helpful.

Ah, see, this is what happens when you make an uninformed assumption.

On average i read about 2 novels a week, and far more when i have the free time. In fact, my daughter is out today and I just finished up a novel by James Lee Burke.

May I ask you what does that have to do with Alpha and beta males or that sad tv show in the OP?

have you lost sight of what you were on about?

[SukhumwitSoi22]

This man was an extreme beta male with no access to women.

Rather an omega-male if we are to use that terminology. Actually, with exceptions (such as every rich, tall, handsome, huge cock, Thaivisa member), the so called Beta male is the male norm. There are hardly any real alphas around. Before the feminist/sexual revolution (same thing) in the 60s, hypergamy was far less common since society had clearly defined rules and even laws to prevent it from happen. But when the stigma of being a loose woman was eliminated, contraception discovered, divorce laws changed (by the feminists), that meant women now all pursue the same alpha men giving a harem situation, where a few men have sex with 'all' the girls.

this alpha/beta male nonsense seems to be particularly popular amongst body builders and the intellectually challenged

And short men who've been reading e-books entitled "how to score with women".

[phl]

This man was an extreme beta male with no access to women.

Rather an omega-male if we are to use that terminology. Actually, with exceptions (such as every rich, tall, handsome, huge cock, Thaivisa member), the so called Beta male is the male norm. There are hardly any real alphas around. Before the feminist/sexual revolution (same thing) in the 60s, hypergamy was far less common since society had clearly defined rules and even laws to prevent it from happen. But when the stigma of being a loose woman was eliminated, contraception discovered, divorce laws changed (by the feminists), that meant women now all pursue the same alpha men giving a harem situation, where a few men have sex with 'all' the girls.

this alpha/beta male nonsense seems to be particularly popular amongst body builders and the intellectually challenged

And short men who've been reading e-books entitled "how to score with women".

is that your latest read? or your ONLY read?

Edited July 28, 2012 by phl

[MAJIC]

In the west girls do have options and some choose to service men..................go figgure!

Sorry, but what are you talking about?

I think what Cheecoo was refering to: in the Western World there are many prostitutes,and they don't choose this proffession because there are no good jobs around,there are plenty of jobs,but they still go for the easy money,because they are lazy,and don't believe in working too hard for a living.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just watched the VDO and it's the usual BS.

I wonder if I'll ever see a foreign media article that tells the truth about it, and I'm not holding my breath!

[SukhumwitSoi22]

this alpha/beta male nonsense seems to be particularly popular amongst body builders and the intellectually challenged

And short men who've been reading e-books entitled "how to score with women".

is that your latest read? or your ONLY read?

Have you been drinking?

I thought only teenage girls used these childish "smily" graphics.

Edited July 28, 2012 by SukhumwitSoi22

[phl]

this alpha/beta male nonsense seems to be particularly popular amongst body builders and the intellectually challenged

And short men who've been reading e-books entitled "how to score with women".

is that your latest read? or your ONLY read?

Have you been drinking?

I thought only teenage girls used these childish "smily" graphics.

You right!! Grown ups just make silly posts

[seasia]

I think the old dude was probably right.

Look at the way the young guys and girls were behaving outside the go-go earlier.

Hookers are hookers mainly because they are too lazy to work in a respectable job.

Easy money without much effort is the name of the game.

As for the hooker and her story ...... tears on tap, playing for the camera.

I think you are right, blunt but correct.

[Feeld]

I think the old dude was probably right.

Look at the way the young guys and girls were behaving outside the go-go earlier.

Hookers are hookers mainly because they are too lazy to work in a respectable job.

Easy money without much effort is the name of the game.

As for the hooker and her story ...... tears on tap, playing for the camera.

The drunk in the video clip didn't get it and niether did you Tommo, perhaps comment again more sensibly when you've been here longer and seen the village communities (and all they entail) first hand and really understood the issues.

Eek, I agree, they have few choices I'm afraid, the only upside is that the situation has improved over the past fifteen years so at least things are getting better.

[TommoPhysicist]

The drunk in the video clip didn't get it and niether did you Tommo, perhaps comment again more sensibly when you've been here longer and seen the village communities (and all they entail) first hand and really understood the issues.

I live in a small village up North and farm with my wife, and have done for about 5 years ........ what exactly do I need to understand?

Edited July 29, 2012 by TommoPhysicist

[SukhumwitSoi22]

I think the old dude was probably right.

Look at the way the young guys and girls were behaving outside the go-go earlier.

Hookers are hookers mainly because they are too lazy to work in a respectable job.

Easy money without much effort is the name of the game.

As for the hooker and her story ...... tears on tap, playing for the camera.

The drunk in the video clip didn't get it and niether did you Tommo, perhaps comment again more sensibly when you've been here longer and seen the village communities (and all they entail) first hand and really understood the issues.

Eek, I agree, they have few choices I'm afraid, the only upside is that the situation has improved over the past fifteen years so at least things are getting better.

The drunk was a fool. But I think that this Tommo character DOES get it.

[Feeld]

The drunk in the video clip didn't get it and niether did you Tommo, perhaps comment again more sensibly when you've been here longer and seen the village communities (and all they entail) first hand and really understood the issues.

I live in a small village up North and farm with my wife, and have done for about 5 years ........ what exactly do I need to understand?

The girl in the video is from Issan and that's a far cry from the villages in the North, twenty years ago the northern villages were full of the same familes as today, central and northern Thais - twenty years ago the Issan villages were full of displaced Cambodians escaping from the fighting with Pol Pot and the camps along the border were overflowing. The stigma of being from Issan at that time was not unlike todays stigma of being a Burmese worker in Thailand, second class citizens with no career prospects and fit only for menial labour. Fortunately things have improved somewhat today but the situation for many familes in Issan remains dire, take a look at the make up of working girls in Nana today or along Beach Road in Pattaya, nine tenths are from Issan. If ever you were to take the time to engage with them socially and to listen to their stories, you'd undertand that the girl in the video was fairly typical, mostly honest and well intentioned, uneducated but exercising one of her very few options to stay afloat.

[phl]

The drunk in the video clip didn't get it and niether did you Tommo, perhaps comment again more sensibly when you've been here longer and seen the village communities (and all they entail) first hand and really understood the issues.

I live in a small village up North and farm with my wife, and have done for about 5 years ........ what exactly do I need to understand?

The girl in the video is from Issan and that's a far cry from the villages in the North, twenty years ago the northern villages were full of the same familes as today, central and northern Thais - twenty years ago the Issan villages were full of displaced Cambodians escaping from the fighting with Pol Pot and the camps along the border were overflowing. The stigma of being from Issan at that time was not unlike todays stigma of being a Burmese worker in Thailand, second class citizens with no career prospects and fit only for menial labour. Fortunately things have improved somewhat today but the situation for many familes in Issan remains dire, take a look at the make up of working girls in Nana today or along Beach Road in Pattaya, nine tenths are from Issan. If ever you were to take the time to engage with them socially and to listen to their stories, you'd undertand that the girl in the video was fairly typical, mostly honest and well intentioned, uneducated but exercising one of her very few options to stay afloat.

So following your logic, ALL females from the villages should be hookers right?

Since you believe the girl was well intentioned, perhaps you can explain why hooking seems to stay in the family and pass from mother to daughter?

After all the "well intentioned" mother is hooking to put her kids through school to give them a better life, only to retire once the daughter hits about 15-strange is not it?!

Cambodians are much much more poor, but prostitution does not seem to take over as much as it does in Thailand

[whistleblower]

The drunk in the video clip didn't get it and niether did you Tommo, perhaps comment again more sensibly when you've been here longer and seen the village communities (and all they entail) first hand and really understood the issues.

I live in a small village up North and farm with my wife, and have done for about 5 years ........ what exactly do I need to understand?

The girl in the video is from Issan and that's a far cry from the villages in the North, twenty years ago the northern villages were full of the same familes as today, central and northern Thais - twenty years ago the Issan villages were full of displaced Cambodians escaping from the fighting with Pol Pot and the camps along the border were overflowing. The stigma of being from Issan at that time was not unlike todays stigma of being a Burmese worker in Thailand, second class citizens with no career prospects and fit only for menial labour. Fortunately things have improved somewhat today but the situation for many familes in Issan remains dire, take a look at the make up of working girls in Nana today or along Beach Road in Pattaya, nine tenths are from Issan. If ever you were to take the time to engage with them socially and to listen to their stories, you'd undertand that the girl in the video was fairly typical, mostly honest and well intentioned, uneducated but exercising one of her very few options to stay afloat.

As I said in an earlier post she is lying. Last time I saw her she had an English boyfriend. When he went to work she went hooking. In the video she said she wants 1 man!

[chiang mai]

The drunk in the video clip didn't get it and niether did you Tommo, perhaps comment again more sensibly when you've been here longer and seen the village communities (and all they entail) first hand and really understood the issues.

I live in a small village up North and farm with my wife, and have done for about 5 years ........ what exactly do I need to understand?

The girl in the video is from Issan and that's a far cry from the villages in the North, twenty years ago the northern villages were full of the same familes as today, central and northern Thais - twenty years ago the Issan villages were full of displaced Cambodians escaping from the fighting with Pol Pot and the camps along the border were overflowing. The stigma of being from Issan at that time was not unlike todays stigma of being a Burmese worker in Thailand, second class citizens with no career prospects and fit only for menial labour. Fortunately things have improved somewhat today but the situation for many familes in Issan remains dire, take a look at the make up of working girls in Nana today or along Beach Road in Pattaya, nine tenths are from Issan. If ever you were to take the time to engage with them socially and to listen to their stories, you'd undertand that the girl in the video was fairly typical, mostly honest and well intentioned, uneducated but exercising one of her very few options to stay afloat.

So following your logic, ALL females from the villages should be hookers right?

Since you believe the girl was well intentioned, perhaps you can explain why hooking seems to stay in the family and pass from mother to daughter?

After all the "well intentioned" mother is hooking to put her kids through school to give them a better life, only to retire once the daughter hits about 15-strange is not it?!

Cambodians are much much more poor, but prostitution does not seem to take over as much as it does in Thailand

That post appears to be fact and not logic, just how you manage to conclude that it implies all Issan women should be hookers escapes me, but let's not dwell on that aspect!

It does seem that the mother/daughter part is frequently true, I think though that's a feature of how difficult it really is for some poor rural families to haul themselves out of poverty. I think it's also a feature of how strong the family bond is in those families, the need to provide for the extended family seems to be passed down from one generation to the next and unless education levels are improved, the solution is always going to be the same one.

Finally, I only have little knowledge of Cambodian culture so I can't sensibly comment, but it would seem very odd if Thai females were found to be promisucous and morally corrupt whereas their Cambodian neighbours were found to be virtuous and saintlike!

[chiang mai]

It's interesting to see that in this thread the word "prostitute" is not being defined, in my world and I think also in the real world in Thailand, there's two different groups involved. The first is the hard core professional working girl, the like of which are seen all around the world, I define that as a prostitute. The second is the rural farm girl, uneducated, poor and part of an extended family that needs support. I'm with the earlier poster who states that opportunities for Issan women in the latter group are far and few between. For me such people are not really prostitutes any more than any woman in any country who is looking for a partner and/or support might be defined as one, the trouble is that the argument requires less thought and effort if we don't dig into the subject too deeply and simply generalise instead!.

[nontabury]

It's interesting to see that in this thread the word "prostitute" is not being defined, in my world and I think also in the real world in Thailand, there's two different groups involved. The first is the hard core professional working girl, the like of which are seen all around the world, I define that as a prostitute. The second is the rural farm girl, uneducated, poor and part of an extended family that needs support. I'm with the earlier poster who states that opportunities for Issan women in the latter group are far and few between. For me such people are not really prostitutes any more than any woman in any country who is looking for a partner and/or support might be defined as one, the trouble is that the argument requires less thought and effort if we don't dig into the subject too deeply and simply generalise instead!.

Prostitute= A person who earns money by having sex with people.

[whistleblower]

It's interesting to see that in this thread the word "prostitute" is not being defined, in my world and I think also in the real world in Thailand, there's two different groups involved. The first is the hard core professional working girl, the like of which are seen all around the world, I define that as a prostitute. The second is the rural farm girl, uneducated, poor and part of an extended family that needs support. I'm with the earlier poster who states that opportunities for Issan women in the latter group are far and few between. For me such people are not really prostitutes any more than any woman in any country who is looking for a partner and/or support might be defined as one, the trouble is that the argument requires less thought and effort if we don't dig into the subject too deeply and simply generalise instead!.

High class escort willing to sell sex for money = Prostitute

Ukranian slapper hanging around Subway sandwich shop trying to sell sex = Prostitute

Rural uneducated poor farmgirl selling sex for money = Prostitute

They are all prostitutes. The only difference between a 'starfish' and value for your buck is the price you pay!

[chiang mai]

It's interesting to see that in this thread the word "prostitute" is not being defined, in my world and I think also in the real world in Thailand, there's two different groups involved. The first is the hard core professional working girl, the like of which are seen all around the world, I define that as a prostitute. The second is the rural farm girl, uneducated, poor and part of an extended family that needs support. I'm with the earlier poster who states that opportunities for Issan women in the latter group are far and few between. For me such people are not really prostitutes any more than any woman in any country who is looking for a partner and/or support might be defined as one, the trouble is that the argument requires less thought and effort if we don't dig into the subject too deeply and simply generalise instead!.

High class escort willing to sell sex for money = Prostitute

Ukranian slapper hanging around Subway sandwich shop trying to sell sex = Prostitute

Rural uneducated poor farmgirl selling sex for money = Prostitute

They are all prostitutes. The only difference between a 'starfish' and value for your buck is the price you pay!

I dread to think where your definition of the word prostitute stops, or maybe it doesn't. Hows about, western woman marries western man, later has an extra-marital affair and divorces western man and is awarded half his financial assets?

[TommoPhysicist]

I dread to think where your definition of the word prostitute stops, or maybe it doesn't. Hows about, western woman marries western man, later has an extra-marital affair and divorces western man and is awarded half his financial assets?

Prostitute = cash payment for the sex, at point of sale.

Now what don't you understand about that?

[chiang mai]

It's interesting to see that in this thread the word "prostitute" is not being defined, in my world and I think also in the real world in Thailand, there's two different groups involved. The first is the hard core professional working girl, the like of which are seen all around the world, I define that as a prostitute. The second is the rural farm girl, uneducated, poor and part of an extended family that needs support. I'm with the earlier poster who states that opportunities for Issan women in the latter group are far and few between. For me such people are not really prostitutes any more than any woman in any country who is looking for a partner and/or support might be defined as one, the trouble is that the argument requires less thought and effort if we don't dig into the subject too deeply and simply generalise instead!.

Prostitute= A person who earns money by having sex with people.

Ex-wives in divorce courts then?

[whistleblower]

It's interesting to see that in this thread the word "prostitute" is not being defined, in my world and I think also in the real world in Thailand, there's two different groups involved. The first is the hard core professional working girl, the like of which are seen all around the world, I define that as a prostitute. The second is the rural farm girl, uneducated, poor and part of an extended family that needs support. I'm with the earlier poster who states that opportunities for Issan women in the latter group are far and few between. For me such people are not really prostitutes any more than any woman in any country who is looking for a partner and/or support might be defined as one, the trouble is that the argument requires less thought and effort if we don't dig into the subject too deeply and simply generalise instead!.

High class escort willing to sell sex for money = Prostitute

Ukranian slapper hanging around Subway sandwich shop trying to sell sex = Prostitute

Rural uneducated poor farmgirl selling sex for money = Prostitute

They are all prostitutes. The only difference between a 'starfish' and value for your buck is the price you pay!

I dread to think where your definition of the word prostitute stops, or maybe it doesn't. Hows about, western woman marries western man, later has an extra-marital affair and divorces western man and is awarded half his financial assets?

Thats called marriage, maybe the law is unfair but divorce law is law. When you get married you know what your entering into.

Prostitution is selling sex for monetary gain!

I often wonder about the people on here who try to circumvent what is or what is not prostitution. I think they fall into 4 categories.

1. They dont know what prostitution means.

2. They try to defend the 'poor rural farm girl' so they dont have to feel guilty when they pay them for sex.

3. They can tell their friends they dont 'pay' for sex, they just give the girl money because she's poor.

4. They married a bar girl and need to justify that she wasn't in fact a prostitute.

I have never met a guy who has told me his wife is a former bar girl, i have met thousands who admit she worked in a bar but was the cashier.

[chiang mai]

I dread to think where your definition of the word prostitute stops, or maybe it doesn't. Hows about, western woman marries western man, later has an extra-marital affair and divorces western man and is awarded half his financial assets?

Prostitute = cash payment for the sex, at point of sale.

Now what don't you understand about that?

A lot more Tommo than you do about the differences between people in northern villages and Issan villages! But back on subject:

How's about a starving homeless female who allows someone to have sex with her simply because she wants to eat, are you going to classify her as a prostitute also?

[nocturn]

this alpha/beta male nonsense seems to be particularly popular amongst body builders and the intellectually challenged

And short men who've been reading e-books entitled "how to score with women".

is that your latest read? or your ONLY read?

Have you been drinking?

I thought only teenage girls used these childish "smily" graphics.

teenage girls and a substantial percentage of the posters on thaivisa.

its an alpha male thing apparently

[TommoPhysicist]

Ex-wives in divorce courts then?

No because

1) no cash payment at the point of sale

2) marriage is not about sex (marriage is more about not having sex)

Edited August 1, 2012 by TommoPhysicist

[TommoPhysicist]

4. They married a bar girl and need to justify that she wasn't in fact a prostitute.

I think this is the one.

[whistleblower]

I dread to think where your definition of the word prostitute stops, or maybe it doesn't. Hows about, western woman marries western man, later has an extra-marital affair and divorces western man and is awarded half his financial assets?

Prostitute = cash payment for the sex, at point of sale.

Now what don't you understand about that?

A lot more Tommo than you do about the differences between people in northern villages and Issan villages! But back on subject:

How's about a starving homeless female who allows someone to have sex with her simply because she wants to eat, are you going to classify her as a prostitute also?

Yes because shes selling sex. Does that mean a starving homeless female who breaks into my house and steals money to buy food is not a thief???

[chiang mai]

It's interesting to see that in this thread the word "prostitute" is not being defined, in my world and I think also in the real world in Thailand, there's two different groups involved. The first is the hard core professional working girl, the like of which are seen all around the world, I define that as a prostitute. The second is the rural farm girl, uneducated, poor and part of an extended family that needs support. I'm with the earlier poster who states that opportunities for Issan women in the latter group are far and few between. For me such people are not really prostitutes any more than any woman in any country who is looking for a partner and/or support might be defined as one, the trouble is that the argument requires less thought and effort if we don't dig into the subject too deeply and simply generalise instead!.

High class escort willing to sell sex for money = Prostitute

Ukranian slapper hanging around Subway sandwich shop trying to sell sex = Prostitute

Rural uneducated poor farmgirl selling sex for money = Prostitute

They are all prostitutes. The only difference between a 'starfish' and value for your buck is the price you pay!

I dread to think where your definition of the word prostitute stops, or maybe it doesn't. Hows about, western woman marries western man, later has an extra-marital affair and divorces western man and is awarded half his financial assets?

Thats called marriage, maybe the law is unfair but divorce law is law. When you get married you know what your entering into.

Prostitution is selling sex for monetary gain!

I often wonder about the people on here who try to circumvent what is or what is not prostitution. I think they fall into 4 categories.

1. They dont know what prostitution means.

2. They try to defend the 'poor rural farm girl' so they dont have to feel guilty when they pay them for sex.

3. They can tell their friends they dont 'pay' for sex, they just give the girl money because she's poor.

4. They married a bar girl and need to justify that she wasn't in fact a prostitute.

I have never met a guy who has told me his wife is a former bar girl, i have met thousands who admit she worked in a bar but was the cashier.

There's a certain ammount of game playing with words going on in this debate, certainly I agree, by strict definition, that a person who sells themselves for sex is prostituting themselves, but is that person to be classified as a prostitute, I say not necessarily and in many case no. But if it's easier for some of you to say everything in life must be black and white, go for it. As for your other inuendo's, please spare us your narrow self serving definitions, the fact is that not everyone sees the world and the people in it in such simply and easy terms.

[TommoPhysicist]

A lot more Tommo than you do about the differences between people in northern villages and Issan villages! But back on subject:

How's about a starving homeless female who allows someone to have sex with her simply because she wants to eat, are you going to classify her as a prostitute also?

I have lived in both a Northern Lanna village, and an Issan village near Korat .......... nobody was starving in either.

If you are hungry you can visit any temple and they will feed you.

If you are homeless you may stay free of charge at any temple.

If you actually see a hungry person, I would suggest you buy them some food, not have sex with them and pay them.

Edited August 1, 2012 by TommoPhysicist

[chiang mai]

A lot more Tommo than you do about the differences between people in northern villages and Issan villages! But back on subject:

How's about a starving homeless female who allows someone to have sex with her simply because she wants to eat, are you going to classify her as a prostitute also?

I have lived in both a Northern Lanna village, and an Issan village near Korat .......... nobody was starving in either.

If you are hungry you can visit any temple and they will feed you.

If you are homeless you may stay free of charge at any temple.

If you actually see a hungry person, I would suggest you buy them some food, not have sex with them and pay them.

That's pretty offensive Tomo, this is a debate about what is and what is not a prostitute!