Reds, Mps Face Legal Action For 'Intimidation'

[drdoom6996]

dam_n right!!! Hit these people and their Paymaster in the pocketbook and update the penalties to hit them much harder than current law allows. Lets see if he can handle the extra expense of fomenting his violent shenanigans.

I totally agree. However it would be nice to see more punishment (if found guilty) than 14,000 baht and a 6 month suspended sentence. Just my opinion, but these people are getting off way to easy when found guilty.

[drdoom6996]

Read the other newspaper's report and what Abhisit has to say. Up to you whether you believe it is an accurate account, or not. At least he was there.

Well said

[rubl]

Has Phiphidon scarpered again?

Throw a smokescreen & then, when discovered, run away.

BTW, I'm still awaiting your opinion on the charter re-write.

I wonder what will happen when he has put everyone on "ignore"?

PPD and a bunch of adverts

Google is your friend

Stay cool and keep smiling

[Noistar]

quote name='ianf' timestamp='1343539378' post='5527908']

Their actions of intimidation are due to the frustration they feel about the lack of freedom of speech in this country and their lack of trust of a court that basically protects the rights of the wealthy and powerful.

I think it is very sad that you should go out of your way to excuse their behaviour. When Abhisit recently came here to Chiang Mai to a meeting he was intimidated and threatened throughout his stay. I saw ugly people doing ugly things (I mean Ugly in the sense that their faces were contorted with rage and so on); These are not the actions of people who want Democracy or indeed people who feel frustrated anbout the lack of freedom of speech (etc). These are people who have been manipulated and twisted and, shall I say, led astray (!) by a very perverse leadership who owe more to Mussolini and Hitler than to Gandhi. It is a sad truism that if you feed people with a constant stream of political lies and false ideals then at some point a minority - the ones who want to show the world how purposeful and radical they are - will release their pressure valves and their hate and anger will come steaming out. Sadly, if you take any of these people aside and listen to their ideas, firstly they do not understand democracy, 2nd, they have no central ideology and thirdly they are like Jehovah's Witnesses in that they have a monopoly on truth (their truth) and no amount of discussion or argumentation will change their views. In other words they have adopted this identity as a radical red and it has become their whole raison d'etre. Under different circumstances they could have been commie guerillas, missionaries for some sect, fascist stooges or even stamp collectors.

(Incidentally I would put the Shinawatras amongst the class of wealthy and powerful!)

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unfortunately the last point about their wealth is easily excused. Their wealth is used to improve the lot of the poor. A 'Mr Donut' run is all that's needed to show they care.

Like most (All?) democracies, the apathetic majority (IMHO) allow excesses to happen.

The mandate that the ruling party have is defended because in order to vote for it, you must be aware of it's content. I concede the point.

However, there was no -which bits are you voting for? It is an all or nothing. No different to other Democracies in the world.

Would be nice to see the ruling party acknowledging that the Constitution is too important to be left to page x of their mandate, which realistically (IMHO) most of their supporters didn't even know was there.

I realise the army did things differently in 2007, and have set a precedent for heavy handed implementations, but things are different now - hey, we have a Democracy

"Ugly People doing Ugly things"

How the press saw the Red Shirts "intimidating and threatening" Abhisit on his recent trip to Chiang Mai

It is what I witnessed with my own eyes and I was seriously scared!!! My whole feeling was that there is something waiting to explode here because these people were like clockwork oranges - they were wound up and ready to vent their spleen. I fear the day when this descends to civil war which in a sense is where this path is leading us ......

I share your concerns

Abhisit seems to be showing what the duty of a politician, the leader of the opposition, is. Obviously there is little respect for what he represents - ie, Democracy.

Mind you, Phiphidon hasn't replied to your post, so you may have been mistaken

[hellodolly]

Has Phiphidon scarpered again?

Throw a smokescreen & then, when discovered, run away.

BTW, I'm still awaiting your opinion on the charter re-write.

I wonder what will happen when he has put everyone on "ignore"?

PPD and a bunch of adverts

He reminds me of a friend of mine.

If a republican says the moon is made of cheese he immediately agrees.

[hellodolly]

Their actions of intimidation are due to the frustration they feel about the lack of freedom of speech in this country and their lack of trust of a court that basically protects the rights of the wealthy and powerful.

I think it is very sad that you should go out of your way to excuse their behaviour. When Abhisit recently came here to Chiang Mai to a meeting he was intimidated and threatened throughout his stay. I saw ugly people doing ugly things (I mean Ugly in the sense that their faces were contorted with rage and so on); These are not the actions of people who want Democracy or indeed people who feel frustrated anbout the lack of freedom of speech (etc). These are people who have been manipulated and twisted and, shall I say, led astray (!) by a very perverse leadership who owe more to Mussolini and Hitler than to Gandhi. It is a sad truism that if you feed people with a constant stream of political lies and false ideals then at some point a minority - the ones who want to show the world how purposeful and radical they are - will release their pressure valves and their hate and anger will come steaming out. Sadly, if you take any of these people aside and listen to their ideas, firstly they do not understand democracy, 2nd, they have no central ideology and thirdly they are like Jehovah's Witnesses in that they have a monopoly on truth (their truth) and no amount of discussion or argumentation will change their views. In other words they have adopted this identity as a radical red and it has become their whole raison d'etre. Under different circumstances they could have been commie guerillas, missionaries for some sect, fascist stooges or even stamp collectors.

(Incidentally I would put the Shinawatras amongst the class of wealthy and powerful!)

I agree 100%.

In my village I have a very good friend. He was a red shirt fighter in Bangkok, but came back quickly when he saw the violence promoted by the leaders.

I never tried to "convert" by a political discussion but by Buddhist argumentation in the lineage of Tan Buddhadasa (dhammic socialism) and the Buddha's Teaching

to analyze first with an open mind "what is what" before you go to an action.

Now he is "converted" by himself.

In southern Lampang district I assisted to some Buddhist ceremonies over the last years - I saw old men and women. This time the whole population - no politics.

They take refuge to the Buddha .... open end, we will see what happens.

Well I am what is called a reborn again pagan. And it is my belief that if they take it to any deity or perceived deity such as Buddha they will receive far more profit than taking it to a red shirt. And defiantly more than a red shirt leader will give them. The leaders don't even realize they are serving a false prophet proven criminal or fill in the blanks there are a lot of negative ones that fit. I do give him credit for trying to do some thing about water management but his brother in law dropped it.

[webfact]

Court to file complaint against top red shirt

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The Office of the Constitution Court will today file a complaint outlining six charges against a red-shirt leader, two Pheu Thai MPs and two other individuals accused of undermining the court's reputation, spokesman Somrit Chaiwong said yesterday.

"The complaint will be lodged at the Crime Suppression Division in order to activate the legal proceedings," he said.Somrit said court secretary-general Chaowana Traimas authorised the filing of the complaint on the judiciary's behalf.

Red-shirt leader Yotwarit Chooklom, aka Jeng Dokjik, and a Pheu Thai MP will face charges of offending and intimidating the judges while they were performing their duties.

The charges against the two will be based on their speeches at rallies, which were allegedly designed to insult, intimidate and incite fear. Yotwarit also distributed the phone numbers of the judges, encouraging his supporters to make hate calls, according to the complaint.

Pheu Thai MP Kokaew Pikulthong will have to answer a charge of coercion. His remarks threatened the use of force to coerce the judges to lapse in their duty. Two individuals, Anurak Jentawanit and Wuthipong Kotchathamkhun, will face three charges - fabricating charges against the judges, intimidation and insulting the judges.

The fabrication charge was based on separate police complaints filed by the two in connection with the judicial review on the charter amendment bill.

The other two charges were based on their rally activities, including a mock cremation of the judges and the displaying of slanderous banners.

-- The Nation 2012-07-30

[Buchholz]

Red-shirt leader Yotwarit Chooklom, aka Jeng Dokjik, and a Pheu Thai MP will face charges of offending and intimidating the judges while they were performing their duties.

Weeks have passed since the threats were issued.

Any condemnation or reprimand from the boss of these two thuggish government employees on the taxpayer payroll, Yingluck?

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[Moruya]

Red-shirt leader Yotwarit Chooklom, aka Jeng Dokjik, and a Pheu Thai MP will face charges of offending and intimidating the judges while they were performing their duties.

Weeks have passed since the threats were issued.

Any condemnation or reprimand from the boss of these two thuggish government employees on the taxpayer payroll, Yingluck?

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No. Its an <deleted> disgrace.

[Moruya]

Has Phiphidon scarpered again?

Throw a smokescreen & then, when discovered, run away.

BTW, I'm still awaiting your opinion on the charter re-write.

I wonder what will happen when he has put everyone on "ignore"?

PPD and a bunch of adverts

He reminds me of a friend of mine.

If a republican says the moon is made of cheese he immediately agrees.

I believe he'd be on the first rocket with a bag of Jacob's in his paw.

[scorecard]

Their actions of intimidation are due to the frustration they feel about the lack of freedom of speech in this country and their lack of trust of a court that basically protects the rights of the wealthy and powerful.

I think it is very sad that you should go out of your way to excuse their behaviour. When Abhisit recently came here to Chiang Mai to a meeting he was intimidated and threatened throughout his stay. I saw ugly people doing ugly things (I mean Ugly in the sense that their faces were contorted with rage and so on); These are not the actions of people who want Democracy or indeed people who feel frustrated anbout the lack of freedom of speech (etc). These are people who have been manipulated and twisted and, shall I say, led astray (!) by a very perverse leadership who owe more to Mussolini and Hitler than to Gandhi. It is a sad truism that if you feed people with a constant stream of political lies and false ideals then at some point a minority - the ones who want to show the world how purposeful and radical they are - will release their pressure valves and their hate and anger will come steaming out. Sadly, if you take any of these people aside and listen to their ideas, firstly they do not understand democracy, 2nd, they have no central ideology and thirdly they are like Jehovah's Witnesses in that they have a monopoly on truth (their truth) and no amount of discussion or argumentation will change their views. In other words they have adopted this identity as a radical red and it has become their whole raison d'etre. Under different circumstances they could have been commie guerillas, missionaries for some sect, fascist stooges or even stamp collectors.

(Incidentally I would put the Shinawatras amongst the class of wealthy and powerful!)

Devaram,

1. You say they are frustrated by the lack of freedom of speech......

Well that's in fact what they are trying, in part, to impose on abhisit, they hope they can intimidate him to the point where he will withdraw. In other words 'gag him'.

And it's not the first time, previousyl their group (CM red shirt 51 group), tried an even nastier tactic, they announced that all public demonstrations, gatherings, speeches had to have their approval before they could proceed. CM people are frightened by this group, this is mob rule by intimidation, nothing more.

Is this an example of actions to promote democracy? I think not.

2. You say .....and their lack of trust of a court that basically protects the rights of the wealthy and powerful.

There are many disgraceful examples of courts protection the leaders of the reds / pt.

Which way do you want it?

[Gary A]

I have no idea why the farang political experts here on Thai Visa would get so worked up over something that they have absolutely no control over.

It is quite obvious that the majority of Thai politicians (all parties) are all firm believers in the practice of "You don't tell on me and I won't tell on you". Rather than try to make a better less corrupt government, they spend all their time squabbling like school kids.

[Nickymaster]

I have no idea why the farang political experts here on Thai Visa would get so worked up over something that they have absolutely no control over.

It is quite obvious that the majority of Thai politicians (all parties) are all firm believers in the practice of "You don't tell on me and I won't tell on you". Rather than try to make a better less corrupt government, they spend all their time squabbling like school kids.

I agree with you but that's what forums are all about I guess. Sharing opinions, arguing etc.

[tlansford]

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As i wrote earlier, this act of intimidation must be illegal, so why does a formal complaint have to be filled. very odd system.

It seemed rather odd to me. It seems like a basic legal issue that should be handled like any harassment situation. Not to deny that there is something special about intimidating courts or other government officials, it is just that the method for handling it seems off.

[rubl]

It seemed rather odd to me. It seems like a basic legal issue that should be handled like any harassment situation. Not to deny that there is something special about intimidating courts or other government officials, it is just that the method for handling it seems off.

'basic legal issue'?, 'handled like any other harassment situation'? Well this may surprise you, but in Thailand this type of harassment leads to defamation and/or intimidations accusations and charges.

You may throw pebbles almost with impunity, but that's all

[Reasonableman]

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/c118.htm

Contempt of Court: Any willful disobedience to, or disregard of, a court order or any misconduct in the presence of a court; action that interferes with a judge's ability to administer justice or that insults the dignity of the court; punishable by fine or imprisonment or both. There are both civil and criminal contempts; the distinction is often unclear. As a general principle, "Courts of justice have an inherent power to punish all persons for contempt of their rules and orders, for disobedience of their process, and for disturbing them in their proceedings." It is not just "any harassment situation".

[phiphidon]

It seemed rather odd to me. It seems like a basic legal issue that should be handled like any harassment situation. Not to deny that there is something special about intimidating courts or other government officials, it is just that the method for handling it seems off.

'basic legal issue'?, 'handled like any other harassment situation'? Well this may surprise you, but in Thailand this type of harassment leads to defamation and/or intimidations accusations and charges.

You may throw pebbles almost with impunity, but that's all

Do you think I have a case for harassment and intimidation?

[gregb]

It seemed rather odd to me. It seems like a basic legal issue that should be handled like any harassment situation. Not to deny that there is something special about intimidating courts or other government officials, it is just that the method for handling it seems off.

'basic legal issue'?, 'handled like any other harassment situation'? Well this may surprise you, but in Thailand this type of harassment leads to defamation and/or intimidations accusations and charges.

You may throw pebbles almost with impunity, but that's all

Do you think I have a case for harassment and intimidation?

Assuming you are willing to publish your real name then you may have a case. Right now, you are only a fictional entity called "phiphidon" on an electronic forum. That fictional entity does not have the right to file a defamation suit. Only you, the real person, could do so. So before you decide on whether you may or may not have a case, you have to first make sure that everyone knows your actual identity. Otherwise, how can you the person claim you are injured?

[phiphidon]

It seemed rather odd to me. It seems like a basic legal issue that should be handled like any harassment situation. Not to deny that there is something special about intimidating courts or other government officials, it is just that the method for handling it seems off.

'basic legal issue'?, 'handled like any other harassment situation'? Well this may surprise you, but in Thailand this type of harassment leads to defamation and/or intimidations accusations and charges.

You may throw pebbles almost with impunity, but that's all

Do you think I have a case for harassment and intimidation?

Assuming you are willing to publish your real name then you may have a case. Right now, you are only a fictional entity called "phiphidon" on an electronic forum. That fictional entity does not have the right to file a defamation suit. Only you, the real person, could do so. So before you decide on whether you may or may not have a case, you have to first make sure that everyone knows your actual identity. Otherwise, how can you the person claim you are injured?

Well thanks for your time but my request for information was rather tounge in cheek, but you probably knew that.............

[Buchholz]

MPs Kokaew Pikultong and Prasit Chaisisa

These Red Shirt Leaders cum Pheu Thai Party MP's are going to be joining fellow Red Shirt Leader cum Pheu Thai Party MP and False Asset Declaration Submitter Karun sitting on the outside.

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[Thai at Heart]

It seemed rather odd to me. It seems like a basic legal issue that should be handled like any harassment situation. Not to deny that there is something special about intimidating courts or other government officials, it is just that the method for handling it seems off.

'basic legal issue'?, 'handled like any other harassment situation'? Well this may surprise you, but in Thailand this type of harassment leads to defamation and/or intimidations accusations and charges.

You may throw pebbles almost with impunity, but that's all

That is exactly what I don't get. A case of very blatant, intimidation of a court, should be handled in hours, not weeks. I don't like to talk about "in other parts of the world", but even the mere act of broadcasting what these guys said, would have been enough to put the newspaper and TV channel owners in trouble, and the people making the statements would have been in the clink very quickly.

You basically can't go around, (in a normal country) that if you don't get the decision you want out of the legal system you are going to riot, and in that situation, the media has an obligation to not broadcast your statement, because by very definition it is illegal, thus why does it need to be the case that it requires an official complaint? The very statements by their implication are illegal, why does anyone need to be told that they are? It doesn't need the court to tell another court that the statements are illegal, a high school law student (or even a half switched on policeman) knows that.

The logic of the system in this country confounds me over and over again.

Edited July 30, 2012 by Thai at Heart

[metisdead]

Inflammatory posts, baiting posts, off topic posts and replies have been removed. Let's stop the playground antics and get back on topic

[soundman]

Enough flaming and idiotic responses.

Next one gets some time in the sin bin.

[charmonman]

I have no idea why the farang political experts here on Thai Visa would get so worked up over something that they have absolutely no control over.

It is quite obvious that the majority of Thai politicians (all parties) are all firm believers in the practice of "You don't tell on me and I won't tell on you". Rather than try to make a better less corrupt government, they spend all their time squabbling like school kids.

The actions of fascist thugs like these red shirts, especially when their allies are the ruling party, has a real effect on the future of the country. That is why some farangs who live in Thailand or are otherwise concerned about Thailand get so worked up over it, whether they can control it or not.