Visa, New Pasport And Work Permit Will This Work?

[farang62]

I had to get a single entry Non B, because of my W.P. renewal date.

I need a new passport, and will get my W.P. renewed for a year in the same month.

When I get the new passport do I need to have my Non B transferred to my new passport.

I guess I have answered my own question, Yes because I need the entry stamp in my new passport so I can leave to get my new Non B.

I just don't want to deal with Samui Immigration, there are always problems when ever you go there.

Can I get the stamp/visa transferred while I am in Bangkok?

Thanks

[Rooo]

Moving to Visa section.

[lopburi3]

No. The visa can be moved and this will be taken care of on exit. Your entry used a single entry visa so it is invalid in any case. You now have a 90 day permitted to stay so if you plan to leave you just present both passports on departure to take care of it. If you plan to extend immigration will take care of transfer information then.

[insertmembernamehere]

Beware of Samui immigration. I was told false information and although I strongly protested that the date stamps in the re-entry permit were wrong, was told not to worry. As it turns out, I was right and after talking with entry and exit immigration chiefs in Bangkok Airport, I know that either Samui immigration purposefully gave me wrong dates which did not match my one-year visa extension, or they do not understand the law. The Bangkok officials think the former, but want to talk to the official responsible if the situation is not improved. In essence, I have to provide all the information again, including the 800,000 in the bank three months prior to now, to get another extension, but only to cover the time they "misstamped" in the re-entry permit. I am not yet home in Samui, but I expect problems and the spectre of bribery. ALL of this simply because I got a new passport and following a Samui immigration official's word.

It's a bit confusing, but suffice it to say that Samui immigration did me a real disservice.

[lopburi3]

You have not explained your situation but if you had an expiring passport when last extension was made extension and re-entry permit would only have covered that original time but when new passport issued the full extension time would have been entered in the permission to stay making it longer than the re-entry permit allowed.

[insertmembernamehere]

My old passport would have expired on Oct 29 this year. I got a new one in March. All the visa and extention stamps were copied into the new one. The extention was until Jan 30 2013. The multiple re-entry permit stamped into my new passport was dated the last day that my old passport would be valid (Oct 29).

When I came back into the country yesterday, immigration at the airport gave me a stay until Oct 29. I was told that after that date, if nothing was changed and inspite of the extention in my passport stating I could stay until Jan 30, 2013, I would lose my retirement visa status and would have to start the application process from the very beginning.

The immigration captain at the airport said that Samui immigration "forgot a step" which should have been the addition of a second, newer re-entry permit stating the validity of until Jan 30.

I am told that I need a new extention stamp dated again to Jan 30 and a new -re-entry permit dated also with that date. I told this gentleman that the Samui immigration official would be unlikely to do anything since he told me specifically that the extention was for Jan 30 and that the re-entry permit would expire on Oct 29 and if I wanted to leave the country and come back before Jan 30, I would have to get a new re-entry permit.

This is still somewhat confusing, but those are the circumstances.

What really burns me is that all I did was get a new passport. Why am I now in the position of having to deal with a well-know cranky, unpredictable official who has to "correct" the situation -- and HE is the one who created it in the first place?

Moreover, I can see him not wanting to do anything, pointing to the "extention" transfer from the old passport as being valid (the Bangkok official called it, in his words, "Worth nothing.").

Any words of advice? I will want to deal with this on the 28th.

[lopburi3]

he told me specifically that the extention was for Jan 30 and that the re-entry permit would expire on Oct 29 and if I wanted to leave the country and come back before Jan 30, I would have to get a new re-entry permit.

So you were told to obtain a new re-entry permit. That seems to be all that was required. I have seen reports of re-entry being transferred to new date/passport and other reports that it would not be and a new re-entry permit would be required for the new passport/extension of stay. As your current permitted to stay has been made October 29 again I would attempt to renew extension prior to that date.

[insertmembernamehere]

I was told by both heads of immigration (arrival and departure) that the re-entry permit date of Oct 29 superceded the extention transfer of Jan 30, 2013, and that I needed to get a new one and a new re-entry permit.

They seemed to indicate that I would have to show, again, all the relevant documents including the 800,000 baht one.

Luckily, I have had that in a fixed term deposit since last year October. I don't see why I need to do any of that again....But......

,.,,,to tell you what a conniver this guy in Samui is, when I showed him my fixed term deposit, opened before the three-month requirement, he said, "Let me see your other bank books!" which he saw I also had brought, adding, regarding the fix term deposit account: "This is no good!" He looked at my other bank books, which had various ups (money sent to "top up" from overseas) and downs, from when I spent the money here in Thailand. They alone would not have satisfied the "over 800K in the bank for three months prior" rule, but I had not offered them as such. I had the money in a separate account. His take? "This is no good! You need the money in one account!" Of course this is nonsense and I did, have the money in one account. So I am not comfortable with what could happen on the 28th. I can see some contrived BS designed to intimidate me into going into the back room and negotiating his personal fee for "overlooking" whatever it is needs overlooking....

[lopburi3]

Immigration was correct - you did not have a re-entry permit for the later date so nothing to could do but stamp you in for your current valid re-entry permit date. As that is not the end of your extension of stay I believe you will be able to extend prior to that date with normal financials.

[BigC]

Give me a thai passport I would gladly give up my own nationality to stop these legal visa things

[insertmembernamehere]

Well, let's call it a case of take what you can get.

At first, the dark/red-faced man took my passport and as I opened my mouth to try to walk him through the stamps and transfer trail, he shouted, "LET ME TALK! I TELL YOU ONE TIME!" And then he says, "NO, NOTHING YOU CAN DO!" At which point he had looked at the stamps a little more and had noticed that it was not as cut and dried as he must have assumed. He then waved that I follow him into his room. He studied my passport and then the old one and concluded that nothing can be done. I then got a few words in edgewise and showed him that my entry stamp stated clearly (the most recent stamp in the passport) "Admitted until 29 Oct 2012" and that although my one-year extension did say that I was allowed to be in Thailand until 30 Jan 2013, it was stamped just after I got my new passport in March. As the Bangkok officials pointed out, the most recent stamp -- the admitted until 29 Oct one -- was the most recent and hence the one taking precedence. I tried to explain that I needed that extension stamp re-entered with a "stamping" date after my recent entry (yesterday), but he said it was impossible. Why the same stamp could not be redone with simply changing the "stamped" date to today is a mystery.

After much cajoling, he agreed to change the re-entry permit to be valid until 30 Jan and up to 30 Jan 2013.

So, as far as I can tell, if I stay in Thailand past 29 Oct -- regardless of the extension for one year expiring 30 Jan 2013 -- I will be overstaying. If, however, I leave Thailand on a visa run, I will get a stamp re-entering that I can stay until 30 Jan 2013.

The Samui officials seem unable to get it though their heads that the most current stamp says that I can only stay here until 29 Oct. I think it is a case of these southern bumpkins not actually understanding the way this works, regarding the difference between entry stamps and extension stamps and which is the most current.

So I am considering several things. One is to go to Chiang Mai as scheduled next month and go to the immigration there and see what they make of all this. If I have to make a run, then I have to make a run. Another thing I might do -- which will not actually fix anything but could make for an interesting situation at the Samui office -- is to go to Samui immigration and say I want to make my 90-day report. Let's say I go on Sept 1. My stay is only allowed until Oct 29, but what will they do presented with the notion that they should be giving me a slip in my passport that says: " (Name) have received notification of staying in Thailand for 90 days from ___." and at the bottom: "The next on (date 90 days from today)".

It could be interesting to see if they stamped a "next" date later than the Oct 29, which, as far as I can see, would be encouraging me to overstay.

[Mario2008]

That last presumption is nonsense. It only means that if you stay for another 90 days in a row, you must report on that date. It has nothing to do with your permission to stay.

[insertmembernamehere]

The most recent stamp says I can stay until October 29th. As a holder of a valid one-year extension of my retirement visa, I can apply for a 90-day check any time. If I did that tomorrow, the stamp would read November 28 that I need to report back in. While the 90-day report states clearly that it is not an extension, it would be interesting to see if they noticed the conundrum. How can we ask him to report back a month after he was legally supposed to leave the country?

[lopburi3]

You report your address after being in country 90 days. The window is 15 days prior to 7 days after if doing in person. This has nothing to do with your permitted to stay date and does not change it.