New Study Compares Egg Eating To Smoking

[Jingthing]

Something to consider. With these food related health studies, there is usually conflicting information, but bottom line we've all got to make our own decisions.

This study is making over consumption of eggs look quite risky!

Just as you were ready to tuck into a nice three-egg omelet again, comforted by the reassuring news that eggs are not so bad for you, here comes a study warning that for those over 40, the number of egg yolks consumed per week accelerates the thickening of arteries almost as severely as does cigarette smoking.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/14/news/la-heb-egg-cholesterol-smoking-20120814

[pigeonjake]

i must be ill, or getting there,

i love fried eggs on toast lots of butter and washed down with coffee and a couple of fags,,,lol,

[JSixpack]

Do Egg Yolks Clog Your Arteries? | Men's Health News

http://news.menshealth.com/eggs-cholesterol-smoking/2012/08/17/

[Jingthing]

Men's Health is pop health entertainment magazine. The article was by a nutrition adviser, not a medical doctor or medical researcher. Personally I would give more weight for decisions I make for my own health to more credible sources, but like I said in the OP there will always be controversy and we all have to make are own choices on such matters.

Interestingly, Men's Health appears to contradicts their line that eggs are no problem:

http://news.menshealth.com/the-better-cholesterol-lowering-diet/2011/08/24/

Eggs, for one, increase your HDL (or “good”) cholesterol levels, according to a Journal of Nutrition study. Look for omega-3 eggs, which cause less artery-clogging cholesterol oxidation than eggs high in omega-6s.

[JSixpack]

Men's Health is pop health entertainment magazine. The article was by a nutrition adviser, not a medical doctor or medical researcher. Personally I would give more weight for decisions I make for my own health to more credible sources, but like I said in the OP there will always be controversy and we all have to make are own choices on such matters.

Interestingly, Men's Health appears to contradicts their line that eggs are no problem:

http://news.mensheal...iet/2011/08/24/

Eggs, for one, increase your HDL (or “good”) cholesterol levels, according to a Journal of Nutrition study. Look for omega-3 eggs, which cause less artery-clogging cholesterol oxidation than eggs high in omega-6s.

OK, try these:

Are Eggs Really As Bad For Your Arteries as Cigarettes? | Mark's Daily Apple

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/are-eggs-really-as-bad-for-your-arteries-as-cigarettes/#axzz25HbnorQ0

Egg yolk consumption, carotid plaque & bad science

http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2012/08/egg-yolk-consumption-carotid-plaque-bad-science/

What’s Cholesterol Got to Do With It? - New York Times

http://www.nytimes.c...n/27taubes.html

[Sheryl]

As usual the press reports oversimplify do not well reflect the actual study findings.

The study in question found a correllation between egg yolk consumption and arterial plaque but did not control for other dietary intake, a major limitation indeed. And there are a lot of positive nutritional contributions form egg yolk to take into consideration.

For the average person, the most sensible approach is to limit consumption of all foods high in LDL cholesterol, i.e. don't consume both egg yolk and other foods high in LDLs on the same day and don't consume eggs every day, just sometimes.

[transam]

As far as l have read before, the egg white works to ''reduce'' cholesterol, far out weighing the yoke part. I ate a dozen a day when training 30 years ago.

[Jingthing]

As usual the press reports oversimplify do not well reflect the actual study findings.

The study in question found a correllation between egg yolk consumption and arterial plaque but did not control for other dietary intake, a major limitation indeed. And there are a lot of positive nutritional contributions form egg yolk to take into consideration.

For the average person, the most sensible approach is to limit consumption of all foods high in LDL cholesterol, i.e. don't consume both egg yolk and other foods high in LDLs on the same day and don't consume eggs every day, just sometimes.

That sounds sensible but you do know there are lots of people who eat multiple eggs daily and think that isn't a problem and I think there is enough evidence out there to suggest that IS a problem.

[robblok]

As usual the press reports oversimplify do not well reflect the actual study findings.

The study in question found a correllation between egg yolk consumption and arterial plaque but did not control for other dietary intake, a major limitation indeed. And there are a lot of positive nutritional contributions form egg yolk to take into consideration.

For the average person, the most sensible approach is to limit consumption of all foods high in LDL cholesterol, i.e. don't consume both egg yolk and other foods high in LDLs on the same day and don't consume eggs every day, just sometimes.

That sounds sensible but you do know there are lots of people who eat multiple eggs daily and think that isn't a problem and I think there is enough evidence out there to suggest that IS a problem.

I have eaten multiple eggs a day and had blood tests done for cholesterol. My values were great much better then average. The only way to know how you respond to it is to try it for a while and then get a blood test. Easy isn't it then you know for sure how it works for you.

[Jingthing]

As usual the press reports oversimplify do not well reflect the actual study findings.

The study in question found a correllation between egg yolk consumption and arterial plaque but did not control for other dietary intake, a major limitation indeed. And there are a lot of positive nutritional contributions form egg yolk to take into consideration.

For the average person, the most sensible approach is to limit consumption of all foods high in LDL cholesterol, i.e. don't consume both egg yolk and other foods high in LDLs on the same day and don't consume eggs every day, just sometimes.

That sounds sensible but you do know there are lots of people who eat multiple eggs daily and think that isn't a problem and I think there is enough evidence out there to suggest that IS a problem.

I have eaten multiple eggs a day and had blood tests done for cholesterol. My values were great much better then average. The only way to know how you respond to it is to try it for a while and then get a blood test. Easy isn't it then you know for sure how it works for you.

Have you seen inside your heart? Even if OK, fine, but anecdotal experience is meaningless when making general suggestions to the greater public. Frankly, there are some absurdly militant egg promoters here. A while back I mentioned a recipe I make with three eggs, discarding one yolk, and I was read the riot act for how stupid that was. There is a balance justified here. Eggs are not poison, they have good nutrition, but there is good evidence to be aware and careful.

[robblok]

As usual the press reports oversimplify do not well reflect the actual study findings.

The study in question found a correllation between egg yolk consumption and arterial plaque but did not control for other dietary intake, a major limitation indeed. And there are a lot of positive nutritional contributions form egg yolk to take into consideration.

For the average person, the most sensible approach is to limit consumption of all foods high in LDL cholesterol, i.e. don't consume both egg yolk and other foods high in LDLs on the same day and don't consume eggs every day, just sometimes.

That sounds sensible but you do know there are lots of people who eat multiple eggs daily and think that isn't a problem and I think there is enough evidence out there to suggest that IS a problem.

I have eaten multiple eggs a day and had blood tests done for cholesterol. My values were great much better then average. The only way to know how you respond to it is to try it for a while and then get a blood test. Easy isn't it then you know for sure how it works for you.

Have you seen inside your heart? Even if OK, fine, but anecdotal experience is meaningless when making general suggestions to the greater public. Frankly, there are some absurdly militant egg promoters here. A while back I mentioned a recipe I make with three eggs, discarding one yolk, and I was read the riot act for how stupid that was. There is a balance justified here. Eggs are not poison, they have good nutrition, but there is good evidence to be aware and careful.

I have tested... you have done nothing.. so guess who has more evidence.

It has no influence on my great cholesterol values confirmed by lab tests. You have nothing proof wise. My cholesterol values HDL 77 LDL 130

CHOL / HDL 2.9

LDL : HDL 1.7

Simply really good while consuming many eggs..

[Jingthing]

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest over your cholesterol numbers. I'm happy for you if they look good. The reason I brought up eggs was about the greater public, and NOT one person. Everyone knows stories of 100 year old men who smoke five packs of ciggies everyday. Proof of ... NOTHING.

[robblok]

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest over your cholesterol numbers. I'm happy for you if they look good. The reason I brought up eggs was about the greater public, and NOT one person. Everyone knows stories of 100 year old men who smoke five packs of ciggies everyday. Proof of ... NOTHING.

You are the one making claims and recomending things. I am saying (more sensible) that people should test themselves and see how they respond to it.

Same as with carbs, not everyone responds the same to it but with a simple test you can know how YOU respond to it.

General advice however well meant, is fine but its much better to test and see how you respond. But that would mean paying a few bucks and doing a blood test. Many people are to stingy to do such tests.\

Your smoking thing is ridiculous because there is consensus int he medical community about smoking. There is no such thing about the eggs many say its good and other say its not. So testing is the way to go.

[transam]

JT you are wrong. Do a simple Google on UP TO DATE research on eggs.

[Jingthing]

JT you are wrong. Do a simple Google on UP TO DATE research on eggs.

I agree with Sheryl. Be aware. Be sensible. Consider moderation.

I will quote here again:

For the average person, the most sensible approach is to limit consumption of all foods high in LDL cholesterol, i.e. don't consume both egg yolk and other foods high in LDLs on the same day and don't consume eggs every day, just sometimes.

[robblok]

JT you are wrong. Do a simple Google on UP TO DATE research on eggs.

JT wont spend a baht to check it and be sure. Its funny how people who are health conscious but never seem to do any tests to see how a change in diet affects their body.

I found out that i ate too many carbs in one sitting. I always thought i was fine but a test showed i was still fine but there could be some problems. Bought a glucose meter did some tests adjusted my food intake and done.

Testing is always the way to go, then you know instead of guess. The same goes for cholesterol and even liver values if you drink a lot. Just hoping you don't have a problem or hoping that a change is for the better is crazy.

[Tolley]

If you boil or poach your eggs no problem. Frying eggs is a different story. Lots of studies indicate no bad effects from eggs.

As for cholesterol levels and eggs I wouldnt even bother testing as most of the body's cholesterol is produced by the liver and doesnt come from diet anyway.

[Jingthing]

If you boil or poach your eggs no problem. Frying eggs is a different story. Lots of studies indicate no bad effects from eggs.

As for cholesterol levels and eggs I wouldnt even bother testing as most of the body's cholesterol is produced by the liver and doesnt come from diet anyway.

To expand on that:

LDL cholesterol is produced naturally by the body, but many people inherit genes from their mother, father or even grandparents that cause them to make too much. Eating saturated fat, trans fats and dietary cholesterol also increases how much you have. If high blood cholesterol runs in your family, lifestyle modifications may not be enough to help lower your LDL blood cholesterol. Everyone is different, so work with your doctor to find a treatment plan that's best for you.

http://www.heart.org...220_Article.jsp

From the same organization:

One egg contains about 185 milligrams of dietary cholesterol. The daily recommended cholesterol limit is less than 300 milligrams for people with normal LDL (bad) cholesterol levels. An egg can fit within heart-healthy guidelines for those people only if cholesterol from other sources — such as meats, poultry and dairy products — is limited. For example, eating one egg for breakfast, drinking two cups of coffee with one tablespoon of half-and-half each, lunching on four ounces of lean turkey breast without skin and one tablespoon of mayonnaise, and having a 6-ounce serving of broiled, short loin porterhouse steak for dinner would account for about 510 mg of dietary cholesterol that day — nearly twice the recommended limit. If you're going to eat an egg every morning, substitute vegetables for some of the meat, or drink your coffee without half-and-half in the example above. And remember that many other foods, especially baked goods, are prepared with eggs — and those eggs count toward your daily cholesterol limit. People with high LDL blood cholesterol levels or who are taking a blood cholesterol-lowering medication should eat less than 200 mg of cholesterol per day. Learn more about cooking for lower cholesterol.

[Jingthing]

Regarding "lots of studies" indicating large consumption of eggs is OK for the general public, can you be more specific? Here is one such study:

News flash: Eggs are really good for you. This message was brought to you by the American Egg Board.

That’s right – the folks who sell eggs paid for a study that comes to the shocking conclusion that eggs are an ideal breakfast food. They could have just asked people if they liked eating eggs for breakfast.

http://articles.lati...t-diet-20120512

[robblok]

JT in your own data it says that you have to test to know if you have the inherited genes. Your general observations are useless without knowing how you respond.

One of the links of Jsixpack complete debunks the research you are quoting. I bet you did not even read one the links. It shows how it was a bad study.

Your constantly going on and on no matter how many times your corrected.

[Jingthing]

Even people without the inherited genes are advised not to eat a large amount of eggs. People with genetic issues need to be even more careful. OBVIOUSLY, each person's health profile is individual and each person should seek medical advice for their situation. That is a given. But have fun finding any credible health practitioner advising people to eat many eggs every day. My view here is one of balance and common sense. I love eggs too!

[robblok]

I asked you a question.. did you even look at Jsixpack his link that debunked that research ? it was full of holes.

[Jingthing]

I asked you a question.. did you even look at Jsixpack his link that debunked that research ? it was full of holes.

Yes. The study was flawed as was already mentioned by Sheryl. Got that. Still, that doesn't mean it would be sensible for the general public to eat a dozen eggs everyday fried in lard.

I will repeat my OP here:

Something to consider. With these food related health studies, there is usually conflicting information, but bottom line we've all got to make our own decisions.

Don't try to paint me as an anti-egg eating extremist. I think we all need to digest the information that is available including from doctors and make our decisions for our own health. Yes, I think most sensible people will conclude overdoing eggs is indeed a probable risk.

[FBN]

Genetics play an extremely important part of how the body will respond to almost anything we care to inflict upon it.

Some people simply do not produce the same amount of "bad" cholesterol than others given the same diet. To single out eggs and have pages of arguments about that is a bit narrow, me thinks.

Same argument for smokers; perhaps the people that survive long years of exposure simply produces a better form of surfactant in their lungs...

[Jingthing]

Of course that is true that eggs are only one potentially risky food if over-consumed. However, it is a very popular food, many people eat them every day, and they are hidden in many foods as well.

[Tolley]

Hey JT have a read of this. Also mentioned in this article is a women who has studied over one hundred studies on eggs and her conclusions.

http://health.ninemsn.com.au/whatsgoodforyou/theshow/693988/are-eggs-bad-for-your-heart

[Jingthing]

Hey JT have a read of this. Also mentioned in this article is a women who has studied over one hundred studies on eggs and her conclusions.

http://health.ninems...-for-your-heart

That was interesting but testing a few people is hardly evidence that can be applied to entire populations. On the internet you can find links to support ANY position. Again, we all need to make our own judgments for our own health and do the best we can. Eggs and health is still controversial. Smoking ciggies and health isn't.

[transam]

Hey JT have a read of this. Also mentioned in this article is a women who has studied over one hundred studies on eggs and her conclusions.

http://health.ninems...-for-your-heart

I have read similar studies which all state the same thing, if you eat the white, nooooooo problems and it also works on other cholesterol stuff you have eaten.

[robblok]

Hey JT have a read of this. Also mentioned in this article is a women who has studied over one hundred studies on eggs and her conclusions.

http://health.ninems...-for-your-heart

That was interesting but testing a few people is hardly evidence that can be applied to entire populations. On the internet you can find links to support ANY position. Again, we all need to make our own judgments for our own health and do the best we can. Eggs and health is still controversial. Smoking ciggies and health isn't.

This is something i can agree too, we all need to make our own choices and in this case there is evidence to support both sides.. its up to you what you think are the best studies.

Also for smoking its sure that its bad.

[Jingthing]

OK, this news is kind of/sort of off topic but it's interesting to me that the country with the highest per capita egg consumption on the planet (Viva Mexico!) consumes 400 eggs annually. That seems low to me for a big egg eater. Obviously that is an average of the population meaning lots of people are eating over 1000 eggs annually. Personally I do make an effort to limit my eggs but it isn't easy at all to do, what with recipes cooked with eggs, pad krapao, eggs thrown into Thai dishes, etc. and I don't even eat eggs for breakfast! People that do, if it's two eggs a day, that's already over the high Mexico per capita count, and just for breakfast.

http://www.washingto...300b_story.html

MEXICO CITY — It is the Great Mexican Egg Crisis, and it will not be over easy, though there will be puns, especially in the Mexican press, which is cracking a lot of jokes.