submaniac Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 I know that, under lese majesty, it is a crime to insult the monarchy. Is there a similar crime for insults to the people of Thailand or the country of Thailand? (Yes I know that it is prohibited under the forum rules.) Is there a specific statutory criminal provision for this? Or perhaps would it fall under lese majeste. Like an insult to the Thai people would be deemed an insult to the King. Does anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orac Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Isn't Prayuth using defamation laws for insulting the army? Sent from my GT-I9100 using Thaivisa Connect App Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohyesuare Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 If there was then 50% of the people on this board would be arrested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudolus Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Seriously? Stick and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me? Does that cover it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
submaniac Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 This is true. But recall the Falang who was in the red (or yellow) shirt demonstration and was caught on camera that he was going to loot and overthrow the governent and all. I know he was ordered arrested and deported. I don't know what the grounds were. There was no apparent insult to the monarchy, so I think there might be another law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pseudolus Posted September 5, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted September 5, 2012 Planning a coup would be enough I guess. I truly hope you are not thinking of reporting me to the authorities for disagreeing with you? Oh dear. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) This is true. But recall the Falang who was in the red (or yellow) shirt demonstration and was caught on camera that he was going to loot and overthrow the governent and all. I know he was ordered arrested and deported. I don't know what the grounds were. There was no apparent insult to the monarchy, so I think there might be another law. I think you said it. My understanding is that it is illegal for a foreigner to participate in a political protest in Thailand and in that case, he openly associated himself with a blatantly illegal action. That has NOTHING to do with verbal insults. Do you think there SHOULD be such a law against verbal insults or criticisms? BTW, personally I think the Thai ban on foreigners protesting is a sign of xenophobia. Cheers. Edited September 5, 2012 by Jingthing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudolus Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 This is true. But recall the Falang who was in the red (or yellow) shirt demonstration and was caught on camera that he was going to loot and overthrow the governent and all. I know he was ordered arrested and deported. I don't know what the grounds were. There was no apparent insult to the monarchy, so I think there might be another law. I think you said it. My understanding is that it is illegal for a foreigner to participate in a political protest in Thailand and in that case, he openly associated himself with a blatantly illegal action. That has NOTHING to do with verbal insults. Do you think there SHOULD be such a law against verbal insults or criticisms? BTW, personally I think the Thai ban on foreigners protesting is a sign of xenophobia. Cheers. "Prisoner of conscience (POC) is a term defined in Peter Benenson's 1961 article "The Forgotten Prisoners" often used by the human rights group Amnesty International. It can refer to anyone imprisoned because of their race, religion, or political views. It also refers to those who have been imprisoned and/or persecuted for the non-violent expression of their conscientiously held beliefs." I think this is what he is suggesting? Lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post norrona Posted September 5, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted September 5, 2012 This is true. But recall the Falang who was in the red (or yellow) shirt demonstration and was caught on camera that he was going to loot and overthrow the governent and all. I know he was ordered arrested and deported. I don't know what the grounds were. There was no apparent insult to the monarchy, so I think there might be another law. you don't do your fellow countrymen any favours at all 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) Although Thailand has Freedom of Speech legislation, any Thai can initiate legal action for libel/defamation, so in answer to your question, legal proceeding could be initiated for insulting the Thai people/nation. However, I'm sure you already know this, hope I'm not being paranoid that you are not posing this question as a veiled or overt threat. Edited September 5, 2012 by simple1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) Although Thailand has Freedom of Speech legislation, any Thai can initiate legal action for libel/defamation, so in answer to your question, legal proceeding could be initiated for insulting the Thai people/nation. However, I'm sure you already know this I think you're probably wrong about that. That would be against an individual or a commercial concern such as saying Smiletime Restaurant has rats (even if they do). I don't think there is any such law against against verbal expression of "insult" to the entire nation or people such as "there sure are a LOT of prostitutes in Thailand!". Edited September 5, 2012 by Jingthing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudolus Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Although Thailand has Freedom of Speech legislation, any Thai can initiate legal action for libel/defamation, so in answer to your question, legal proceeding could be initiated for insulting the Thai people/nation. However, I'm sure you already know this Surely it would be a better use of someone's time and money to try to improve their country as opposed to stop people talking about the bad sides? Is that not more logical and rational? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
submaniac Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=137_1339907257 This is the guy. Happened during the riots. Said some things on camera. The Thai authorities tracked him down and arrested him. I was trying to figure out what the charge was. He didn't say anything about the monarchy, so no lese majeste. He really didn't do anything illegal. I thought it was either a charge of insult to the Thai people or insult to the monarchy by insulting the Thai people. Does anyone remember what the charges were? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookedondhamma Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 That's interesting, Simple1. I guess now the question is, can this be carried out from another country? Hmm ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookedondhamma Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Although Thailand has Freedom of Speech legislation, any Thai can initiate legal action for libel/defamation, so in answer to your question, legal proceeding could be initiated for insulting the Thai people/nation. However, I'm sure you already know this Surely it would be a better use of someone's time and money to try to improve their country as opposed to stop people talking about the bad sides? Is that not more logical and rational? Tit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudolus Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 It might just being something about uttering threats to someone else in Public, much as you did against the Brit plane passenger who you have declared you have "burnt his face" into your memory and you are going to try to find him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauGR1 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 http://www.liveleak....=137_1339907257 This is the guy. Happened during the riots. Said some things on camera. The Thai authorities tracked him down and arrested him. I was trying to figure out what the charge was. He didn't say anything about the monarchy, so no lese majeste. He really didn't do anything illegal. I thought it was either a charge of insult to the Thai people or insult to the monarchy by insulting the Thai people. Does anyone remember what the charges were? I remember the video, it was the day before the burning of some mall in Central BKK..The guy was inciting burning and looting. As every country has its share of lunatics among the locals, i think it's fair to be tough on visitors who incite violence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Although Thailand has Freedom of Speech legislation, any Thai can initiate legal action for libel/defamation, so in answer to your question, legal proceeding could be initiated for insulting the Thai people/nation. However, I'm sure you already know this I think you're probably wrong about that. That would be against an individual or a commercial concern such as saying Smiletime Restaurant has rats (even if they do). I don't think there is any such law against a verbal expression of "insult" to the entire nation or people such as "there sure are a LOT of prostitutes in Thailand!". Maybe you are correct, I don't know the detail of Thai law, but proceeding could be initiated & then would require a court rulings; maybe on appeal all the way to the Constitutional Court of Thailand. So unless you have plenty of money could easily be used as a mechanism for suppressing opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxme Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 http://www.liveleak....=137_1339907257 This is the guy. Happened during the riots. Said some things on camera. The Thai authorities tracked him down and arrested him. I was trying to figure out what the charge was. He didn't say anything about the monarchy, so no lese majeste. He really didn't do anything illegal. I thought it was either a charge of insult to the Thai people or insult to the monarchy by insulting the Thai people. Does anyone remember what the charges were? I remember the video, it was the day before the burning of some mall in Central BKK..The guy was inciting burning and looting. As every country has its share of lunatics among the locals, i think it's fair to be tough on visitors who incite violence. Did Arsenal play around that time? Me think it was a British hooligan who took his frustration and anger out on the public for his favorite losing the game. You see... dam_n Brits... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WebBangkok Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 http://www.liveleak....=137_1339907257 This is the guy. Happened during the riots. Said some things on camera. The Thai authorities tracked him down and arrested him. I was trying to figure out what the charge was. He didn't say anything about the monarchy, so no lese majeste. He really didn't do anything illegal. I thought it was either a charge of insult to the Thai people or insult to the monarchy by insulting the Thai people. Does anyone remember what the charges were? I wonder if he is one of the members on here lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) That's interesting, Simple1. I guess now the question is, can this be carried out from another country? Hmm ... Deleted Edited September 5, 2012 by simple1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudolus Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10550736 http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/381701-briton-jeff-savage-freed-by-thai-court/ http://www.examiner.com/article/briton-jeff-savage-arrested-by-thai-police-did-he-burn-down-central-world-plaza-mall "The Thai government has said Savage would be charged with violating the state of emergency decree" So in answer to your question, No. There is not. ...unless you seriously contend there should be, in which case, let's keep it open 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katana Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 http://www.liveleak....=137_1339907257 This is the guy. Happened during the riots. Said some things on camera. The Thai authorities tracked him down and arrested him. I was trying to figure out what the charge was. He didn't say anything about the monarchy, so no lese majeste. He really didn't do anything illegal. I thought it was either a charge of insult to the Thai people or insult to the monarchy by insulting the Thai people. Does anyone remember what the charges were? I wonder if he is one of the members on here lol Weirdly enough, it turned out that Jeff Savage (the Brit guy in the video threatening and inciting others to burn down Bangkok) ) had actually been in the employ of Queen Elizabeth II of England at Buckingham Palace for 4 years, working in the kitchens as a porter. "...for the 25 investitures held in the Palace ballroom every year, he would change into smart livery of black tailcoat, black trousers and waistcoat. ‘The Queen and other members of the Royal Family would have certainly known him,’ says an insider..." Strange but true. More here: http://www.dailymail...rked-Queen.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travelmann Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Sheeeeeeeeeeeesh give it a rest Im bored sh*tless with the subject, why dont you just say can Thai law silence the rest of the world like it does Thailand and we all become mute droids!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrain Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) This is true. But recall the Falang who was in the red (or yellow) shirt demonstration and was caught on camera that he was going to loot and overthrow the governent and all. I know he was ordered arrested and deported. I don't know what the grounds were. There was no apparent insult to the monarchy, so I think there might be another law. He got arrested because foreigners are not allowed to participate in demonstrations, especially poltical oriented ones. Edited September 5, 2012 by jbrain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommoPhysicist Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) This is true. But recall the Falang who was in the red (or yellow) shirt demonstration and was caught on camera that he was going to loot and overthrow the governent and all. I know he was ordered arrested and deported. I don't know what the grounds were. There was no apparent insult to the monarchy, so I think there might be another law. Deported for working without a work permit. All the red protesters were paid to be there. Edited September 5, 2012 by TommoPhysicist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacktrip Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 i dunno, but when im out and about i keep my mouth shut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
payak Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 don't worry so much about the law, worry about the little bastard you insult. don't turn your back on him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuestHouse Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 This is true. But recall the Falang who was in the red (or yellow) shirt demonstration and was caught on camera that he was going to loot and overthrow the governent and all. I know he was ordered arrested and deported. I don't know what the grounds were. There was no apparent insult to the monarchy, so I think there might be another law. He got arrested because foreigners are not allowed to participate in demonstrations, especially poltical oriented ones. I believe you are wrong on this. You could prove your point by presenting us with the relevant law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GuestHouse Posted September 5, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) There are archaic laws of defamation, which essentially allow for an individual to be found guilty and fined/jailed if they defame another person - The defamation does not have to be a lie. An individual could be found guilty of defamation if they repeated the truth about another individual's misdeeds (even if those misdeeds had been proven in court and were already in the public domain) if the statements of truth are made in an 'aggressive' or 'insulting' manner. Go figure who that protects. I'm not aware that there are any laws that give the state or Thai people as a national group the same protections as an individual. If there were we might all wind up grinning like idiots the continual denial of the obvious truth having rotted our brains. Hang on.... does that sound like someone you know?! Edited September 5, 2012 by GuestHouse 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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