Cbr 500Cc Leaked Pic

[loserlazer]

Here's a pic from my driveway in Chiang Mai:

And another from Chiang Dao:

super man. one more owner around.

i like the red color too. deep red, bad ass red!

and now i really like the plain looks of it, i would like to buy one for Bangkok

cm das any complaints so far?

[blackpanda]

Here's a pic from my driveway in Chiang Mai:

And another from Chiang Dao:

super man. one more owner around.

i like the red color too. deep red, bad ass red!

and now i really like the plain looks of it, i would like to buy one for Bangkok

cm das any complaints so far?

The color is kinda like a candy apple red . But the seigneury makes the color stand out more.

[cm das]

Yes, whatever you call it, it's a beautiful shade of red. As for complaints about the bike I only have one so far: not enough time to ride it!

[mania]

one does wonder how sup3rior fared.

Maybe cmdas will just tell us if he did ok?

Hopefully he did ok & made his trip back to CR

[cm das]

OK, since sup3rior hasn't gotten back to the forum yet & since his experience is of interest to many here I'll say a little about his bike as I saw it. I hope he doesn't mind & I hope he comes on soon to give a fuller report.

First let me say that at the time I was much more focused on getting my own new bike than I was in checking his out. So while we talked about some of his issues & I helped interpret a bit between sup3rior and the Thai staff at Big Wing, I had other things on my mind & I didn't devote full attention to his situation.

Regarding his complaints about fairings & windshield fit & finish, that sort of thing, I can't say anything. I didn't look over his bike very carefully. As for some of his other complaints:

Engine vibration - This seemed like his biggest complaint. I sat on his bike in the shop and revved the engine. Above 5000rpm there was a noticeable increase in engine vibration but I think it was well within the range of normal. Sup3rior gave the Big Wing test ride bike some revs & found the same thing. My bike has less vibration but again I think we're not talking about anything "wrong" with his bike. I'd say the same thing about his complaint that the throttle has too much play in it. I know what he means - you can twist the handle a little before the throttle engages, but it's only a little and basically the same as on other bikes I've ridden.

Brakes - Sup3rior told me that his brakes had "seized up" & I saw the pictures he posted here as well. We didn't talk about this much but I got the impression that he based his concern on visible signs only. That is, he never said anything about the bike performing badly because of the brake issue. So here again I think he was misinterpreting things. As far as I know, brake pads should ideally have the absolute minimum clearance from the disc. The throttle is one thing but in the brakes you don't want any play at all. And just because you don't see the pad squeezing the disc doesn't mean there's no pressure being applied. Obviously I'm no expert here but if the brakes really were seized I don't see how he could have ridden anywhere on the bike & surely he would have mentioned something to that effect.

Dyno - No test was done. The staff said that the dyno wasn't ready yet.

Sup3rior joined me for a short ride up Doi Suthep after we left the shop. His bike seemed to perform just fine. From his riding, from his comments on the bike and from his own admission, it is clear that he is not experienced with "big bikes". I am fully willing to accept that his bike had some real cosmetic issues surrounding the fairings, etc. But when it came to the other things, I think much of his anxiety was a result of inexperience, over-sensitivity & misinterpretation.

Sorry if my take on all this is coming across too harshly. I don't mean to put down sup3rior so much as to allay the worries of others who are thinking about buying, or have put deposits down on, the new Honda 500s. As I mentioned before, so far I have no real complaints about my bike. In fact, I could be happier. I hope sup3rior finds some of that happiness too.

[mania]

Thanks cmdas

I kind of expected it to be as you said & am happy to hear he

got squared away & did not find anything so bad that it made any problem for him to get home etc.

Also sometimes it really helps to have an experienced rider help someone put some concerns to rest.

Also while I am not in the market to buy ( having just bought ) I think it was good of you

to help alleviate any concerns from prospective buyers.

Thanks

[loserlazer]

OK, since sup3rior hasn't gotten back to the forum yet & since his experience is of interest to many here I'll say a little about his bike as I saw it. I hope he doesn't mind & I hope he comes on soon to give a fuller report.

First let me say that at the time I was much more focused on getting my own new bike than I was in checking his out. So while we talked about some of his issues & I helped interpret a bit between sup3rior and the Thai staff at Big Wing, I had other things on my mind & I didn't devote full attention to his situation.

Regarding his complaints about fairings & windshield fit & finish, that sort of thing, I can't say anything. I didn't look over his bike very carefully. As for some of his other complaints:

Engine vibration - This seemed like his biggest complaint. I sat on his bike in the shop and revved the engine. Above 5000rpm there was a noticeable increase in engine vibration but I think it was well within the range of normal. Sup3rior gave the Big Wing test ride bike some revs & found the same thing. My bike has less vibration but again I think we're not talking about anything "wrong" with his bike. I'd say the same thing about his complaint that the throttle has too much play in it. I know what he means - you can twist the handle a little before the throttle engages, but it's only a little and basically the same as on other bikes I've ridden.

Brakes - Sup3rior told me that his brakes had "seized up" & I saw the pictures he posted here as well. We didn't talk about this much but I got the impression that he based his concern on visible signs only. That is, he never said anything about the bike performing badly because of the brake issue. So here again I think he was misinterpreting things. As far as I know, brake pads should ideally have the absolute minimum clearance from the disc. The throttle is one thing but in the brakes you don't want any play at all. And just because you don't see the pad squeezing the disc doesn't mean there's no pressure being applied. Obviously I'm no expert here but if the brakes really were seized I don't see how he could have ridden anywhere on the bike & surely he would have mentioned something to that effect.

Dyno - No test was done. The staff said that the dyno wasn't ready yet.

Sup3rior joined me for a short ride up Doi Suthep after we left the shop. His bike seemed to perform just fine. From his riding, from his comments on the bike and from his own admission, it is clear that he is not experienced with "big bikes". I am fully willing to accept that his bike had some real cosmetic issues surrounding the fairings, etc. But when it came to the other things, I think much of his anxiety was a result of inexperience, over-sensitivity & misinterpretation.

Sorry if my take on all this is coming across too harshly. I don't mean to put down sup3rior so much as to allay the worries of others who are thinking about buying, or have put deposits down on, the new Honda 500s. As I mentioned before, so far I have no real complaints about my bike. In fact, I could be happier. I hope sup3rior finds some of that happiness too.

this was what i was stating here too.

Sometime we get paranoid when we buy new bikes especially ones that are over 200 k!

I do not think so there is something wrong on his bike maybe some misfits but that is all.

There is no glitch on mine apart from the strange cracking sound when i apply the brakes hard. I will show it to bigwing though.

500 series are good bikes imo and i think they are reliable too.

[canuckamuck]

Give it a year before you can talk about reliability but I do expect that these bikes will be faithful and true.

[loserlazer]

so, let me post some criticism on cbr500 after 1700 km:

1- Mirrors star to shake after 1000 km. it is especially shaking a lot on neutral or while stopped. Still, they shake a little above 150 kmh and never blurry though

2- ABS system is so conservative.

3- Mirrors are showing the sky if you want to change the lane fast and they are too large for my taste. They show behind perfectly though.

4- I could not get a Manual in English, it is in Thai! They told me that they will give me one once they start exporting them to USA to you guys!

5- There is a little play on the throttle. I told them to fix it so it is better now.

6- Nuts connecting the tank to the chassis looking sooo ugly. Why they do not close it with a small plastic part? Fortunately, an aftermarket company here did an aluminum cover for it already - moth racing.

7- Pipe sounds like a sewing machine but engine sound is fine. I will buy a Moriwaki pipe soon.

8- Front brakes have a nice feel and bite but they could be done stronger - yeah asking too much from a 200k usd bike.

9- Engine gets hot instantly - yeah it is good actually for some - The seat do not get the heat but right part of the front fairing gets hot like it is going to melt.

10- Storage compartment could be a little bit bigger.

11- Some small misfits on fairings but you have to be a good observer to see these.

12- Current fuel usage indicator is slow and i do not think so that accurate. Average fuel consumption mostly indicates more fuel that i use - i tested it with full tank method.

13- Rev counter is hard to read at the beginning but OK after some time.

14- Chain does not look like a super quality one.

These are what i have noticed on the bike. But i am a picky person. For some, these might be normal.

And, this is a 200 k bike.

Still, my overall experience is superb and these are just small things. Nothing is perfect in life.

I love my bike. I am having a blast everyday with it

[BirdsandBooze]

so, let me post some criticism on cbr500 after 1700 km:

1- Mirrors star to shake after 1000 km. it is especially shaking a lot on neutral or while stopped. Still, they shake a little above 150 kmh and never blurry though

2- ABS system is so conservative.

3- Mirrors are showing the sky if you want to change the lane fast and they are too large for my taste. They show behind perfectly though.

4- I could not get a Manual in English, it is in Thai! They told me that they will give me one once they start exporting them to USA to you guys!

5- There is a little play on the throttle. I told them to fix it so it is better now.

6- Nuts connecting the tank to the chassis looking sooo ugly. Why they do not close it with a small plastic part? Fortunately, an aftermarket company here did an aluminum cover for it already - moth racing.

7- Pipe sounds like a sewing machine but engine sound is fine. I will buy a Moriwaki pipe soon.

8- Front brakes have a nice feel and bite but they could be done stronger - yeah asking too much from a 200k usd bike.

9- Engine gets hot instantly - yeah it is good actually for some - The seat do not get the heat but right part of the front fairing gets hot like it is going to melt.

10- Storage compartment could be a little bit bigger.

11- Some small misfits on fairings but you have to be a good observer to see these.

12- Current fuel usage indicator is slow and i do not think so that accurate. Average fuel consumption mostly indicates more fuel that i use - i tested it with full tank method.

13- Rev counter is hard to read at the beginning but OK after some time.

14- Chain does not look like a super quality one.

These are what i have noticed on the bike. But i am a picky person. For some, these might be normal.

And, this is a 200 k bike.

Still, my overall experience is superb and these are just small things. Nothing is perfect in life.

I love my bike. I am having a blast everyday with it

Good info, thanks. Keep those reports coming in. What`s comfort like in heavy traffic?

[loserlazer]

well, Honda is not my fathers company and i do not hesitate even to criticize my father if needed

And no need to be egocentric on our bikes just because we own them. We have to be objective as mush as we can.

I will post good things and the bad things abotu teh bike time by time but i am sure i will post good things more as it is a GREAT BIKE

[loserlazer]

so, let me post some criticism on cbr500 after 1700 km:

1- Mirrors star to shake after 1000 km. it is especially shaking a lot on neutral or while stopped. Still, they shake a little above 150 kmh and never blurry though

2- ABS system is so conservative.

3- Mirrors are showing the sky if you want to change the lane fast and they are too large for my taste. They show behind perfectly though.

4- I could not get a Manual in English, it is in Thai! They told me that they will give me one once they start exporting them to USA to you guys!

5- There is a little play on the throttle. I told them to fix it so it is better now.

6- Nuts connecting the tank to the chassis looking sooo ugly. Why they do not close it with a small plastic part? Fortunately, an aftermarket company here did an aluminum cover for it already - moth racing.

7- Pipe sounds like a sewing machine but engine sound is fine. I will buy a Moriwaki pipe soon.

8- Front brakes have a nice feel and bite but they could be done stronger - yeah asking too much from a 200k usd bike.

9- Engine gets hot instantly - yeah it is good actually for some - The seat do not get the heat but right part of the front fairing gets hot like it is going to melt.

10- Storage compartment could be a little bit bigger.

11- Some small misfits on fairings but you have to be a good observer to see these.

12- Current fuel usage indicator is slow and i do not think so that accurate. Average fuel consumption mostly indicates more fuel that i use - i tested it with full tank method.

13- Rev counter is hard to read at the beginning but OK after some time.

14- Chain does not look like a super quality one.

These are what i have noticed on the bike. But i am a picky person. For some, these might be normal.

And, this is a 200 k bike.

Still, my overall experience is superb and these are just small things. Nothing is perfect in life.

I love my bike. I am having a blast everyday with it

Good info, thanks. Keep those reports coming in. What`s comfort like in heavy traffic?

It is pretty good at traffic. Not much pressure on my wrists and seat do not get hot miraculously. Slow rides are good and comfy too. Suspensions are handling good i think both for slow and high speeds.

And same like riding a cbr250, no compromises really. Same acrobatics same moves same craze just the mirrors are large but they were large on cbr250 too and i changed them so i will do the same i guess on my cbr500.

Edited February 7, 2013 by loserlazer

[loserlazer]

Got this today. On a new tire. <deleted>.king hell!

I do not want to change the tires this early as i like their response.

I am getting it fixed now of course from inside the tire pretty strong.

So what do you suggest guys?

[yankee99]

^^ simple fix to plug or patch. If done right should last the life of the tire. If it was near the side it would be a different story.

[macknife]

Got this today. On a new tire. <deleted>.king hell!

I do not want to change the tires this early as i like their response.

I am getting it fixed now of course from inside the tire pretty strong.

So what do you suggest guys?

Don't worry about it.

It happened to me, local tyre place put in a plug, cost me 80Baht. After a week i couldn't even see it anymore.

[JonnyF]

Got this today. On a new tire. <deleted>.king hell!

I do not want to change the tires this early as i like their response.

I am getting it fixed now of course from inside the tire pretty strong.

So what do you suggest guys?

Don't worry about it.

It happened to me, local tyre place put in a plug, cost me 80Baht. After a week i couldn't even see it anymore.

Agreed, I did 5000 kms on a plugged tyre where the hole was right in the middle the same as LL. When I replaced the tyre I took the old tyre and tried to pull the plug out from the inside and it was pretty much melted into the rest of the tyre. To push it out the other way would be impossible. I wouldn't risk it on the edge of the tyre but right in the middle like that I don't see how it could come out.

[karlos]

Got this today. On a new tire. <deleted>.king hell!

I do not want to change the tires this early as i like their response.

I am getting it fixed now of course from inside the tire pretty strong.

So what do you suggest guys?

Nothing other than a proper vulcanised tyre repair will do.

Pirelli (yes, ShowPow bangkok) did mine two weeks ago after a dirty great big nail went through my rear Rosso II

I haven't heard of anyone's plug failing back home in the UK

But here it the sweltering heat of Thailand i'm not sure if i would trust / feel confident riding on just a plug, you must ensure you get a patch of some kind on the inside of the tyre also.

Stay safe!

[JonnyF]

Got this today. On a new tire. <deleted>.king hell!

I do not want to change the tires this early as i like their response.

I am getting it fixed now of course from inside the tire pretty strong.

So what do you suggest guys?

Nothing other than a proper vulcanised tyre repair will do.

Pirelli (yes, ShowPow bangkok) did mine two weeks ago after a dirty great big nail went through my rear Rosso II

I haven't heard of anyone's plug failing back home in the UK

But here it the sweltering heat of Thailand i'm not sure if i would trust / feel confident riding on just a plug, you must ensure you get a patch of some kind on the inside of the tyre also.

Stay safe!

I know what you're saying, but I checked through multiple forums to see if anyone actually had experience of a basic plug failing and everyone said the same thing i.e. "No, but I'm not sure I would trust it". If I was in BKK when I got the puncture then I'd get it done at ShowPo for sure, but having inspected that tyre after it came off the bike I can say that even with a pair of pliers it would have been tough to pull it back into the tyre with no air pressure as it had melted into the rest of the tyre. The plug is normally forced the other direction i.e. outwards with a ball bearing sized amount of rubber on the inside to stop it exiting, plus the road is stopping it coming out on every revolution assuming the hole is in the middle.

There's no such thing as 100% safe but I'd say the chances of it failing were 1000 times lower than Somchai's pickup nailing me, or the plethora of other hazards on Thai roads, soi dogs etc.

Out of interest, how does the patch on the inside work?

[karlos]

The patch on the inside is clamped and heated for around 10 mins or however long is required to permanently bond with the tyre.

I did get my Rosso II plugged by a local somchai to get me to Showpow but me being me couldn’t trust a plug. Not because it could come out (as you have said ‘unheard of’) but i'd be more worried about any air seepage past the plug when out giving the bike some beans, losing 5psi during a spirited ride could, well, who knows...

But for most chaps a plug would be fine for commuting and attracting some fanny, if that's what their bikes are being used for

[nikster]

Got this today. On a new tire. <deleted>.king hell!

I do not want to change the tires this early as i like their response.

I am getting it fixed now of course from inside the tire pretty strong.

So what do you suggest guys?

Don't worry about it.

It happened to me, local tyre place put in a plug, cost me 80Baht. After a week i couldn't even see it anymore.

Agreed, I did 5000 kms on a plugged tyre where the hole was right in the middle the same as LL. When I replaced the tyre I took the old tyre and tried to pull the plug out from the inside and it was pretty much melted into the rest of the tyre. To push it out the other way would be impossible. I wouldn't risk it on the edge of the tyre but right in the middle like that I don't see how it could come out.

+1 same here

rode the battlax 021 until it was completely worn out, the last 5k or so with a plug.

I think it's just extremely unlikely that losing the plug somehow is going to be worse than the initial "getting a nail in the tire", which was pretty much unnoticeable.

[blackpanda]

I would check that the nail actually went through before patching it. With the diablo super corsa I had pick up a nail and just decided to buy new tires as the tire already had a previous patch. Once I changed the tires I noticed that the nail never went though. The nail looked like it was long and definitely went though but you just never know.

[loserlazer]

Thanks for the replies.

Of course i let them patch it from inside not outside. They bond a patch with some heat and pressure and fill the hole a little from inside. I becomes like a part of the tire. I know the shop and they do it very strong. They fixed the tire of my cbr250 before three times and i had no problems for 20k km.

Cost is 150 thb.

But I had my cbr150 plugged from outside many times and they worn out after some time and air started to leak. I dont trust an outer plug, it is for scooters or for temporary basis until you go for a real repair from inside the tire.

Still, even if there is air leaking from the patches or plugs, it does not get flat instantly and you can drive until the tire shop.

By the way, Honda manual suggests not to drive more than 100 kmh anymore with a repaired tire.

But i will not change the tire now. I trust my bike and the shop.

All the nails in bangkok always find me somehow!

5 times at least with cbr150, 3 times with cbr250, numerous times with honda wave and first time with cbr500 and i hope last time.

Screw these metro constructions! They work very untidy. Nuts, nails everywhere!

Edited February 8, 2013 by loserlazer

[Myaimistrue]

Do you know where to get this for a CBR250 in Bangkok, please?

Sorry no & I am looking for it too.

Will post if I find it.

I contacted Tankslapper and Lucas was very helpful. I sent him a photo of the tank bag I am getting and he is going to make a template out of 3M film to make sure it has full protection. Plus, shipping it here will only be less than $1 more than shipping it to the US, around $7!

[mania]

I contacted Tankslapper and Lucas was very helpful. I sent him a photo of the tank bag I am getting and he is going to make a template out of 3M film to make sure it has full protection. Plus, shipping it here will only be less than $1 more than shipping it to the US, around $7!

Good Deal & thanks for the heads up!

[Big Guns]

The patch on the inside is clamped and heated for around 10 mins or however long is required to permanently bond with the tyre.

I did get my Rosso II plugged by a local somchai to get me to Showpow but me being me couldn’t trust a plug. Not because it could come out (as you have said ‘unheard of’) but i'd be more worried about any air seepage past the plug when out giving the bike some beans, losing 5psi during a spirited ride could, well, who knows...

But for most chaps a plug would be fine for commuting and attracting some fanny, if that's what their bikes are being used for

Thank god he didn't mention cruising as that would be my bike usage off to a tee

[Briggsy]

Loserlazer

2 things you said were identical to what happened to me on my CBR 150 R

First

I got a puncture when the bike was brand new. I mean right out of the shop, day 2, red plate, super shiny. Then 2 weeks later I got another one. After that 2 years no punctures. The first puncture was a tack and the second punture was a piece of a broken beer bottle. Someone told me it is a spiteful tradition here to puncture other people's new bikes on red plates. I don't know if this is what happened but it was parked in a communal condo car park and then 2 years with no further punctures. Both punctures were plugged at Cockpit and the tyres lasted 30,000 km with no problems at all. Both punctures were in the back tyre.

Second

After having new tyres fitted, I now have this crack noise you referred to. I usually hear it when engine braking in first gear coming out of my condo car park. It is a concealed entrance and the sensible rider/driver slows to a virtual stop at that point hence the first gear engine braking. The crack noise appears to come from the front wheel/forks. It wasn't there before the front wheel came off to fit the new tyre. I reckon something is too tight.

[cbrer]

I got a puncture when the bike was brand new. I mean right out of the shop, day 2, red plate, super shiny. Then 2 weeks later I got another one. After that 2 years no punctures. The first puncture was a tack and the second punture was a piece of a broken beer bottle. Someone told me it is a spiteful tradition here to puncture other people's new bikes on red plates. I don't know if this is what happened but it was parked in a communal condo car park and then 2 years with no further punctures.

Unfortunately I'm all too experienced in this facet of Thainess.

Happens me when I get a new set of tyres. Well did, it was the security guards at work screwing screws in them. And a razor blade (in a small wooden block) on one occasion.

Just a few of many instances of petty, retarded Thais vandalizing my property as they can't handle me having it and they not.

Beautiful culture eh.

Edited February 12, 2013 by cbrer

[taninthai]

Nah don't believe that a thai using a srewdriver with screws ..... Now if you had said he hammered a screw in that's believable

[cbrer]

Well it had to be screwed out of a brand new pair of pirellis.

[thaicbr]

Well it had to be screwed out of a brand new pair of pirellis.

Must have been a big screw to have got the pair