loserlazer Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 And a bad news: Yesterday bigwing guys confirmed me that cbr500 has 47 hp on crank not wheel:( Three days ago three bigwing guys confirmed me 47 hp on rear wheel and yesterday another story. I guess bigwing is new and they dont know what they are saying/doing! Sent from my GT-N7100 using Thaivisa Connect App And of.course those figures change dyno to dyno Yeah i agree. Lets wait for dyno tests. Sent from my GT-N7100 using Thaivisa Connect App Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 (edited) I was told by the sales guy at the expo that the prices will be the same in the future at Bigwing, and that the only special 'price' you got was the ability to make just a 5% down payment on buying the bike plus the fuel coupon. Did they say what it would be after the show??? sent from my Q6 Edited December 2, 2012 by thaicbr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrer Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 (edited) I heard the Big Wing dyno shows low numbers. Of course, like the Big Wing guy's comments, that's neither here nor there. I'm sure somebody will have one dyno'd up on youtube in the not too distant future. Edited December 2, 2012 by cbrer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankee99 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I was told by the sales guy at the expo that the prices will be the same in the future at Bigwing, and that the only special 'price' you got was the ability to make just a 5% down payment on buying the bike plus the fuel coupon. Did they say what it would be after the show??? sent from my Q6 Normally 20% down depending if you have a co-signer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taninthai Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 You will have to go bigwing and dirtshop for 2 dyno runs and take the highest reading ,not really worth doing the dynorun till you have at least 1000k on itmaybe even a bit more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikster Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 (edited) And a bad news: Yesterday bigwing guys confirmed me that cbr500 has 47 hp on crank not wheel:( Three days ago three bigwing guys confirmed me 47 hp on rear wheel and yesterday another story. I guess bigwing is new and they dont know what they are saying/doing! I think in your excitement you're expecting way too much from these Honda salespeople. They're Thai - they'll say yes, or whatever you want to hear; but at the same time unless your'e talking to a tuner or a racer, nobody will even know the difference between crank/wheel HP... they're sales people. They can tell you the price. The color of the bike. And not much else. Best to do it yourself once the bike is properly broken in... And if you want to hear some good news on the HP debate - I recall reading somewhere - I think HFL - how the HP rating of these new Honda 500s are exactly on the limit for one of the European motorcycle license tiers. Which means it can probably do more.... Edited December 2, 2012 by nikster 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loserlazer Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 (edited) And a bad news: Yesterday bigwing guys confirmed me that cbr500 has 47 hp on crank not wheel:( Three days ago three bigwing guys confirmed me 47 hp on rear wheel and yesterday another story. I guess bigwing is new and they dont know what they are saying/doing! I think in your excitement you're expecting way too much from these Honda salespeople. They're Thai - they'll say yes, or whatever you want to hear; but at the same time unless your'e talking to a tuner or a racer, nobody will even know the difference between crank/wheel HP... they're sales people. They can tell you the price. The color of the bike. And not much else. Best to do it yourself once the bike is properly broken in... What about the manager itself nikster? Dont see them low as they know everything about bikes. They are not ordinary sales staff frim central world shoe section man. I m not expecting too much and beleive me all honda bigwing staff are aware what s crank hp and what s rwhp. They just dont have the info. That s what i m complaining. Sent from my GT-N7100 using Thaivisa Connect App Edited December 2, 2012 by loserlazer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlos Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 (edited) Honestly, even the Managers at most 'Franchises' know very little about the detailed technical specifications of their bikes. An engine's power output is often measured, from the crank, with ram-air, in a closed environment with ideal conditions and anything else that will help to reach it's highest possible figure. I would expect that figure to be from the crank, but as mentioned previously, there are two different models for different tiers.... Who knows Edited December 2, 2012 by karlos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_boo Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Honestly, even the Managers at most 'Franchises' know very little about the detailed technical specifications of their bikes. An engine's power output is often measured, from the crank, with ram-air, in a closed environment with ideal conditions and anything else that will help to reach it's highest possible figure. I would expect that figure to be from the crank, but as mentioned previously, there are two different models for different tiers.... Who knows Can you provide a link where there are actually two tiers confirmed? Remembering correctly nobody has done that yet however it keeps getting repeated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loserlazer Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 (edited) Take it easy guys. I m just stating information here. I know what a manager in thailand than many of you here i m sure as a corporate drone for 5 years as a managing director guy in charge of 5-6 managers so please i dont need a sermon about thai people and how they work/act! Honda bigwing needs a little bit more time to reach maturity as they are new, bikes are new so do their staff i m sure. And bikes will be 47 crank hp i m sure and beg/hope to be proven wrong:D Sent from my GT-N7100 using Thaivisa Connect App Edited December 2, 2012 by loserlazer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taninthai Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Honestly, even the Managers at most 'Franchises' know very little about the detailed technical specifications of their bikes. An engine's power output is often measured, from the crank, with ram-air, in a closed environment with ideal conditions and anything else that will help to reach it's highest possible figure. I would expect that figure to be from the crank, but as mentioned previously, there are two different models for different tiers.... Who knows Can you provide a link where there are actually two tiers confirmed? Remembering correctly nobody has done that yet however it keeps getting repeated. The report claims 53 rwbhp for America and every where else 47 rwbhp ,it also Says 498cc engine size not confirmed by Honda themselves though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny B Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Seriously guys give the horse power thing a rest, its a 500cc bike that doesnt look much bigger than a 250. If its horse power you want buy a bigger more powerful bike. Sent from my GT-P1000T using Thaivisa Connect App 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_boo Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Seriously guys give the horse power thing a rest, its a 500cc bike that doesnt look much bigger than a 250. If its horse power you want buy a bigger more powerful bike. Sent from my GT-P1000T using Thaivisa Connect App You're missing the point. It's not whether the bike has teh mostest HP, because let's be honest--that six HP isn't much for the weight especially when a larger farang gets on it, but rather what is the correct information. If incorrect information is given and pushed by certain people without protest than what is the point talking about the bike? Much as a certain boardmember who sells Chinese bikes is not adverse to distorting the facts and thus rightly is denigrated and has doubt cast on all his posts, shouldn't we endeavour to not perpetuate the same issue? As a side note, the sly jab at the size is a bit childish; after all here at the sizes for bikes commonly sold in the Kingdom (with the exception that the first on the list outsells all the models from the other manufacturer put together...my childish comeback ) Honda CBR 250 L 2,035 mm (80.1 in) W 720 mm (28 in) H 1,125 mm (44.3 in) Seat 780 mm (31 in) Honda CBR 500 L 2,082 mm (82 in) W 739 mm (29.1 in) H 1,144 mm (45 in) Seat 785 mm (31 in) Kawasaki Ninja 250R L 2085 mm (82.1 in) W 713.7 mm (28.1 in) H 1,109.9 mm (43.7 in) Seat 774.7 mm (30.5 in) Kawasaki ER-6N/F L 2,100 mm (83 in) W 760 mm (30 in) H 1,210 mm (48 in) Seat 790 mm (31 in) Other than the height of the ER-6, which doesn't translate into seat height strangely enough, there is little separating the 'big' bikes from the 'small' bikes size wise irrespective of manufacturer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bramds Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 I was at the motorshow yesterday and went straight to the Honda booth. I sat on the CB500F and it felt good. Had the feeling I was cheating on my current bike, but it felt so good. If all the reviews come out good, I will definitely get one. Had a talk with one of the Honda guys. He told me the red one will be available in January and the black one in February. But here I read people are getting them on December 11. I only asked about the CB500F. After the show, the only thing that will change are the intrest rates, they will go up. And Loserlazer, the 3000 baht coupon was also for the 500 series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SumetCycle Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 I was at the motorshow yesterday and went straight to the Honda booth. I sat on the CB500F and it felt good. Had the feeling I was cheating on my current bike, but it felt so good. If all the reviews come out good, I will definitely get one. Had a talk with one of the Honda guys. He told me the red one will be available in January and the black one in February. But here I read people are getting them on December 11. I only asked about the CB500F. After the show, the only thing that will change are the intrest rates, they will go up. And Loserlazer, the 3000 baht coupon was also for the 500 series. They told me that I'd be getting it on the Dec. 10. If they are saying Jan. and Feb. now, it must mean the first lot bikes have already sold out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loserlazer Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 (edited) First of all, sorry for my hard post yesterday and if i offended someone. I was a little moody i guess. I checked the list on Saturday and for cbr500 there were nearly a hundred people listed! It was only 6 people on Thursday. cb500f list was still fine but i see a long list for that too! It looks like people liked the bikes and i can see long waiting lists on them. So, reserve it now or wait 3-4 months. Brian, can you confirm the crank hp numbers of 500 series. I am sure you now some people there close enough. Thanks in advance. Edited December 3, 2012 by loserlazer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SumetCycle Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 http://www.suttonmotorcycles.com/honda/new-honda/bikes/naked/2013honcb500f.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankee99 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Interesting to see how.low thailand is on the priority list. A good factory probably turns out 100 a day. Honda knows that consumers in a country like the usa would never wait 2-3 months. One week would be considered a long wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankee99 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 http://www.suttonmotorcycles.com/honda/new-honda/bikes/naked/2013honcb500f.htm 35 hp i hope thats not the thai model my dtracker is at 32hp with very few mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mania Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 (edited) http://www.suttonmot...13honcb500f.htm 35 hp i hope thats not the thai model my dtracker is at 32hp with very few mods The article States 35kW ( kilowatts ) which is equal to 46.91 HP Article also expressed Torque in nm or newton meters as 43 which is equal to 31.71 foot pounds Edited December 3, 2012 by mania Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loserlazer Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 (edited) http://www.suttonmot...13honcb500f.htm thanks Brian, this link is superb. But, it is from UK where it is definite that the bike will be 47 crank hp. they have silver color option for cbr500 and it looks good and complicated. nice. Edited December 3, 2012 by loserlazer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankee99 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 http://www.suttonmot...13honcb500f.htm 35 hp i hope thats not the thai model my dtracker is at 32hp with very few mods The article States 35kW ( kilowatts ) which is equal to 46.91 HP Article also expressed Torque in nm or newton meters as 43 which is equal to 31.71 foot pounds thats good news i was confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loserlazer Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 bramds/: And Loserlazer, the 3000 baht coupon was also for the 500 series. good then bramds. we can ride hard for a month free:) but they told me 3000 thb is only for bikes above 500 cc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlos Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 I got it from the start of this thread, i'm sure i clicked a link somewhere along the line that stated two power levels. It could all be down to the confusion of the EU upping the maximum power limit to 47bhp (forgot the maximum power to weight ratio) on the 19th of Jan 2013 for new riders without a full license. Wish i had a bit more time to dig out what's really goong on, but I must dash now. Byeeeeeeeee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrer Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 So what's the redline on these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackpanda Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 So what's the redline on these? 8500 RPM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrer Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 (edited) So what's the redline on these? 8500 RPM Good lord. Is that a joke? The CBR250 is mocked for having a 10.5k redline. If 8.5k redline, what RPM does the limiter kick in at? 9.5k? That kinda passes for the F and X models, but for the sports model that's done to look like a race bike, bit of poor form from Honda, they should tune it differently for that model to get an 11 or 12 redline at least. 8.5k! Blimey. Edited December 4, 2012 by cbrer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Wait until someone rides it.. for gods sake sent from my Q6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Wait until someone rides it.. for gods sake sent from my Q6 Don't worry, I predict it will be the perfect bike for Thailand (on ThaiVisa anyway). Anything more than this bike will suddenly be deemed dangerous, nothing more than bar talk for liars and posers. Just like the CBR250 was the perfect size a few months ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loserlazer Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Bike has its peak hp at 8500 rpm same as cbr 250 snd torque on 7000 rpm again same as cbr250. So i dont see much difference. Sent from my GT-N7100 using Thaivisa Connect App Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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