Us Ambassador Chris Stevens Killed In Libya

[chuckd]

Why is it so hard to believe? Richard Helms was Dir of Central intelligence in 1966 and ended up as US ambassador to Iran

I'm a little confused about your Richard Helms statement. Please clarify.

Thanks

[simple1]

Why is it so hard to believe? Richard Helms was Dir of Central intelligence in 1966 and ended up as US ambassador to Iran

I'm a little confused about your Richard Helms statement. Please clarify.

Thanks

He was Ambassador to Iran (1973-1976) - the CIA trained the Shah's secret police (SAVAK) who were renowned for severe torture of prisoners

[Asiantravel]

Why is it so hard to believe? Richard Helms was Dir of Central intelligence in 1966 and ended up as US ambassador to Iran

I'm a little confused about your Richard Helms statement. Please clarify.

Thanks

sure. It was suggested this Ambassador was more than just a normal run of the mill Ambassador.....

If Ambassador Stevens was facilitating weapons transfers from Libya to Syrian Islamist forces aligned with al-Qaeda, via his Turkish alliance, then we are at a troubling, perhaps catastrophic point in this republic’s history.

http://radiopatriot.wordpress.com/

[koheesti]

Remembering the activities of previous Administrations such as the Iran/Contra affair may be some aspects of the reports prove to be accurate. But why are so many security consultants/experts, in collaboration with the media, so intent on detailing US military assets, decision making processes, response times etc. Just makes zero sense to me feeding the enemy with so much info in the public domain; bordering on treasonable activity.

Security leaks in the Obama Administration just to score political points is another scandal.

[Jingthing]

My impression of this Libya issue is that it is a transparent attempt to Swift boat the inevitable Obama reelection. Do liberal Americans care about it? No. Do moderate Americans care about it? No. It's a manufactured hysterical issue born and raised at Fox News whose obvious and clear agenda for years now is to dump Obama. Carry on of course dissecting it to death here (I know, it's like sports) and on every right wing American politics blog on the planet, but it's not going to turn the election, and second term Obama is not going to be impeached over it.

Edited November 1, 2012 by Jingthing

[brewsterbudgen]

My impression of this Libya issue is that it is a transparent attempt to Swift boat the inevitable Obama reelection. Do liberal Americans care about it? No. Do moderate Americans care about it? No. It's a manufactured hysterical issue born and raised at Fox News whose obvious and clear agenda for years now is to dump Obama. Carry on of course dissecting it to death here (I know, it's like sports) and on every right wing American politics blog on the planet, but it's not going to turn the election, and second term Obama is not going to be impeached over it.

I agree. A tragic event being used for political advantage, but it's not succeeding. Will be swiftly forgotten once Obama is re-elected.

[Ulysses G.]

Actually, there is a good chance that the scandal will grow once the election is over. The mainstream media is ignoring it because they do not want a conservative elected, but too much evidence is coming out that this fiasco could have been avoided and that the coverup extends to the highest levels.

[Jingthing]

Actually, there is a good chance that the scandal will grow once the election is over. The mainstream media is ignoring it because they do not want a conservative elected, but too much evidence is coming out that this fiasco could have been avoided and that the coverup extends to the highest levels.

Great. So the republicans in congress instead of getting it together to compromise with Obama to do something good for the country, they've got another lame excuse from their continued extremist obstructionism.

[Asiantravel]

Actually, there is a good chance that the scandal will grow once the election is over. The mainstream media is ignoring it because they do not want a conservative elected, but too much evidence is coming out that this fiasco could have been avoided and that the coverup extends to the highest levels.

not only that............

A secret document obtained by former Muslim Brotherhood member Walid Shoebat suggests the Obama administration approved assigning a member of al-Qaida to handle security at the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli.

According to a report published today by Shoebat, the confirmation comes from a letter dated Aug. 30, 2011, informing the al-Qaida member he now has responsibility for security in Tripoli, “to include all international embassies.”

http://www.wnd.com/2...ripoli-embassy/

Edited November 1, 2012 by Asiantravel

[simple1]

Actually, there is a good chance that the scandal will grow once the election is over. The mainstream media is ignoring it because they do not want a conservative elected, but too much evidence is coming out that this fiasco could have been avoided and that the coverup extends to the highest levels.

not only that............

A secret document obtained by former Muslim Brotherhood member Walid Shoebat suggests the Obama administration approved assigning a member of al-Qaida to handle security at the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli.

According to a report published today by Shoebat, the confirmation comes from a letter dated Aug. 30, 2011, informing the al-Qaida member he now has responsibility for security in Tripoli, “to include all international embassies.”

http://www.wnd.com/2...ripoli-embassy/

The article goes on to say "And the Libyan ambassador to the U.S. reported at one point that “[belhaj] should be accept[ed] for the person that he is today and we should deal with him on that basis.” So if the report is accurate & not just a bunch of allegations and assumptions it was based upon the Ambassador's personal recommendation

[chuckd]

Why is it so hard to believe? Richard Helms was Dir of Central intelligence in 1966 and ended up as US ambassador to Iran

I'm a little confused about your Richard Helms statement. Please clarify.

Thanks

He was Ambassador to Iran (1973-1976) - the CIA trained the Shah's secret police (SAVAK) who were renowned for severe torture of prisoners

Truth be known, Mossad actually did most of the training of Savak.

The Ambassador after Helm was Bill Sullivan who served as Ambassador to Laos during the Vietnam war.

[simple1]

Why is it so hard to believe? Richard Helms was Dir of Central intelligence in 1966 and ended up as US ambassador to Iran

I'm a little confused about your Richard Helms statement. Please clarify.

Thanks

He was Ambassador to Iran (1973-1976) - the CIA trained the Shah's secret police (SAVAK) who were renowned for severe torture of prisoners

Truth be known, Mossad actually did most of the training of Savak.

The Ambassador after Helm was Bill Sullivan who served as Ambassador to Laos during the Vietnam war.

Yes, I have read Israeli intelligence was also involved with training SAVAK. From reading it appears that the Mullah's surpassed SAVAK in cruelty to prisoners and number of executions - the old story of the oppressed becoming the oppressors.

[chuckd]

I'm a little confused about your Richard Helms statement. Please clarify.

Thanks

He was Ambassador to Iran (1973-1976) - the CIA trained the Shah's secret police (SAVAK) who were renowned for severe torture of prisoners

Truth be known, Mossad actually did most of the training of Savak.

The Ambassador after Helm was Bill Sullivan who served as Ambassador to Laos during the Vietnam war.

Yes, I have read Israeli intelligence was also involved with training SAVAK. From reading it appears that the Mullah's surpassed SAVAK in cruelty to prisoners and number of executions - the old story of the oppressed becoming the oppressors.

The Mullahs were no better than Savak and probably worse. Savak was called SAVAMA in the early days and included many of the former Savak members.

Edited November 1, 2012 by chuckd

[Chicog]

Yes, I didn't realise just how much work Israel did with Iran pre-revolution.

http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=197395

[Asiantravel]

My impression of this Libya issue is that it is a transparent attempt to Swift boat the inevitable Obama reelection. Do liberal Americans care about it? No. Do moderate Americans care about it? No. It's a manufactured hysterical issue born and raised at Fox News whose obvious and clear agenda for years now is to dump Obama. Carry on of course dissecting it to death here (I know, it's like sports) and on every right wing American politics blog on the planet, but it's not going to turn the election, and second term Obama is not going to be impeached over it.

I agree. A tragic event being used for political advantage, but it's not succeeding. Will be swiftly forgotten once Obama is re-elected.

It doesn't sound like active duty members of the military are going to “swiftly forget it “

Senator Charles Patrick "Pat" Roberts served as a captain in the

U.S. Marine Corps sent a letter to President Obama on Wednesday. In the letter, Senator Roberts stated,

However, I want to stress and emphasize there is an issue of much greater importance. The major media have not comprehensively reported on this unraveling issue, so many Americans may not be aware of what has and is taking place.

But, you can be sure every single member of our United States military services now knows that the sacred bond of never leaving a comrade in distress or danger may be worthless as of the date of this disgrace. We cannot allow this to happen. We cannot let this issue fester and infect the bond of taking care of our own. As one veteran stated so well in one of our town hall meetings:

“When I signed up I knew I would likely be put in harm’s way. But I also knew someone would have my back. I just don’t know if that is true today.”

Mr. President, it is my belief that until you, as Commander in Chief, publicly and in detail inform the American public of what happened and why, that bond, which has existed as long as the United States of America has fielded armies, is breaking. We must know why American assets at the scene or close by were not utilized to save American lives acting in the line of duty

.

http://lubbockonline...zi#.UJOi6GdvDIU

If this is not resolved swiftly this would be catastrophic for the morale of active-duty servicemen

Edited November 2, 2012 by Asiantravel

[Chicog]

If this is not resolved swiftly this would be catastrophic for the morale of active-duty servicemen

I would suggest that If "this is not resolved quickly" the republicans will never stop boring the tits off people about it.

[Chicog]

Thankfully a senior intelligence official has briefed the press to tell them that Fox News are telling more lies, but most of us already knew that.

http://www.wptv.com/...errorism-attack

According to a Fox News report last Friday, citing an unnamed source, CIA officers working at an annex about a mile from the mission were told by officials in the CIA chain of command to "stand down" after receiving a call from the mission asking for help.

"There were no orders to anybody to stand down in providing support," the senior intelligence official said

The Fox report also suggested that the officers on the ground urgently asked for military backup, but that the CIA also denied those requests. The official said that reporting was wrong. The military, the official said, provided drone surveillance and there were a couple of military officers as part of a CIA security team from Tripoli to assist.

Fox just can't stop spouting bovine fecal matter can they?

And here is the timeline of events:

-- Around 9:40 p.m. (local time) the annex receives the first call that the mission is under attack.

-- Fewer than 25 minutes later, a security team leaves the annex for the mission.

-- Over the next 25 minutes, the team members approach the compound, attempt to secure heavy weapons and make their way onto the compound in the face of enemy fire.

-- A t 11:11 p.m., the requested drone surveillance arrives over the mission compound.

-- By 11:30 p.m., all U.S. personnel, except for Stevens, who is missing, depart the mission. The exiting vehicles come under fire.

-- Over the next roughly 90 minutes, the annex receives sporadic small arms fire and rocket-propelled grenade rounds. The security team returns fire and the attackers disperse at approximately 1 a.m.

-- At about the same time, a team of additional security personnel lands at the Benghazi airport and negotiates for transport into town. Upon learning the ambassador is missing and that the situation at the annex has calmed, the team focuses on locating the ambassador and tries to obtain information on the security situation at the hospital.

-- It's still predawn when the team at the airport finally manages to secure transportation and an armed escort. Having learned that Stevens is almost certainly dead and that the security situation at the hospital is uncertain, the team heads to the annex to assist with the evacuation.

-- They arrive with Libyan support at the annex at 5:15 a.m., just before the mortar rounds begin to hit the annex. The two security officers are killed when they take direct mortar fire as they engage the enemy. That attack lasts only 11 minutes before dissipating.

-- Less than an hour later, a heavily-armed Libyan military unit arrives to help evacuate the compound of all U.S. personnel.

There are questions that need to be answered, but Fox "News" are certainly not the people that should be doing it.

Edited November 2, 2012 by Chicog

[Asiantravel]

Thankfully a senior intelligence official has briefed the press to tell them that Fox News are telling more lies, but most of us already knew that.

http://www.wptv.com/...errorism-attack

According to a Fox News report last Friday, citing an unnamed source, CIA officers working at an annex about a mile from the mission were told by officials in the CIA chain of command to "stand down" after receiving a call from the mission asking for help.

"There were no orders to anybody to stand down in providing support," the senior intelligence official said

The Fox report also suggested that the officers on the ground urgently asked for military backup, but that the CIA also denied those requests. The official said that reporting was wrong. The military, the official said, provided drone surveillance and there were a couple of military officers as part of a CIA security team from Tripoli to assist.

Fox just can't stop spouting bovine fecal matter can they?

And here is the timeline of events:

-- Around 9:40 p.m. (local time) the annex receives the first call that the mission is under attack.

-- Fewer than 25 minutes later, a security team leaves the annex for the mission.

-- Over the next 25 minutes, the team members approach the compound, attempt to secure heavy weapons and make their way onto the compound in the face of enemy fire.

-- A t 11:11 p.m., the requested drone surveillance arrives over the mission compound.

-- By 11:30 p.m., all U.S. personnel, except for Stevens, who is missing, depart the mission. The exiting vehicles come under fire.

-- Over the next roughly 90 minutes, the annex receives sporadic small arms fire and rocket-propelled grenade rounds. The security team returns fire and the attackers disperse at approximately 1 a.m.

-- At about the same time, a team of additional security personnel lands at the Benghazi airport and negotiates for transport into town. Upon learning the ambassador is missing and that the situation at the annex has calmed, the team focuses on locating the ambassador and tries to obtain information on the security situation at the hospital.

-- It's still predawn when the team at the airport finally manages to secure transportation and an armed escort. Having learned that Stevens is almost certainly dead and that the security situation at the hospital is uncertain, the team heads to the annex to assist with the evacuation.

-- They arrive with Libyan support at the annex at 5:15 a.m., just before the mortar rounds begin to hit the annex. The two security officers are killed when they take direct mortar fire as they engage the enemy. That attack lasts only 11 minutes before dissipating.

-- Less than an hour later, a heavily-armed Libyan military unit arrives to help evacuate the compound of all U.S. personnel.

There are questions that need to be answered, but Fox "News" are certainly not the people that should be doing it.

Hang on- there you are criticising Fox television while this story was written by someone from CNN?

After CNN reported that the New York Stock Exchange was flooded the other day CNN now have as much credibility as the Disney Channel. And this story appears on WPTV which is a CNBC affiliate which is another garbage television channel outfit that promotes the Obama propaganda.

but don't worry that questions will be asked and the facts will come out during the Senate hearing

Edited November 2, 2012 by Asiantravel

[Chicog]

Hang on- there you are criticising Fox television while this story was written by someone from CNN?

After CNN reported that the New York Stock Exchange was flooded the other day CNN now have as much credibility as the Disney Channel. And this story appears on WPTV which is a CNBC affiliate which is another garbage television channel outfit that promotes the Obama propaganda.

but don't worry that questions will be asked and the facts will come out during the Senate hearing

Actually if you look again you'll notice it was a press briefing, so I could give you the Reuters version if you wish.

The point is that the intelligence community is obviously fed up listening to Fox "Muse" and decided to set the record straight.

[Asiantravel]

Hang on- there you are criticising Fox television while this story was written by someone from CNN?

After CNN reported that the New York Stock Exchange was flooded the other day CNN now have as much credibility as the Disney Channel. And this story appears on WPTV which is a CNBC affiliate which is another garbage television channel outfit that promotes the Obama propaganda.

but don't worry that questions will be asked and the facts will come out during the Senate hearing

Actually if you look again you'll notice it was a press briefing, so I could give you the Reuters version if you wish.

The point is that the intelligence community is obviously fed up listening to Fox "Muse" and decided to set the record straight.

If you are accusing Fox television of being biased and only prepared to put forward one side of the story then you should watch this video clip involving all their own journalistic staff in a very heated debate.

But they are the only news organisation out there who is even bothered to try to determine the truth

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/geraldo-absolutely-explodes-at-co-host-over-libya-accusation-on-fox-news-you-are-a-politician-looking-to-make-a-political-point/

[qdinthailand]

Followers of this thread are posting links to stuff they read and see on Fox News, The Blaze, and World Nut Daily.

In other words, the Alternative Universe Media.

Time to close this thread, before people's heads explode.

[Asiantravel]

2 Senators achieve in 2 days what Obama couldn't do ( or couldn't be bothered to do ) in 6 weeks !

2 senators: Tunisia will grant access to suspect in attack on US compound in Benghazi, Libya

The Tunisian government will allow the United States access to a suspect in the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, two senators said Friday.

Republicans Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Saxby Chambliss of Georgia said they’ve been pushing the Tunisian government for access to Ali Ani al Harzi.

Earlier this week, in a letter to Tunisia’s government, Graham wrote that “providing access to this suspect is of the highest importance to me and many other members of Congress.” He said, the Tunisian response was “of the utmost importance and could have profound impacts on the relations between our two countries moving forward.”

http://www.washingto...276a_story.html

Edited November 3, 2012 by Asiantravel

[Chicog]

2 Senators achieve in 2 days what Obama couldn't do ( or couldn't be bothered to do ) in 6 weeks !

2 senators: Tunisia will grant access to suspect in attack on US compound in Benghazi, Libya

The Tunisian government will allow the United States access to a suspect in the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, two senators said Friday.

Republicans Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Saxby Chambliss of Georgia said they’ve been pushing the Tunisian government for access to Ali Ani al Harzi.

Earlier this week, in a letter to Tunisia’s government, Graham wrote that “providing access to this suspect is of the highest importance to me and many other members of Congress.” He said, the Tunisian response was “of the utmost importance and could have profound impacts on the relations between our two countries moving forward.”

http://www.washingto...276a_story.html

I wonder what they promised them? Guns for drugs or something?

[koheesti]

Followers of this thread are posting links to stuff they read and see on Fox News, The Blaze, and World Nut Daily.

In other words, the Alternative Universe Media.

How about CBS News? Are they a legit news organization in your opinion? They released more tape from their 60 Minutes interview with Obama from Sept 12th asking why he refused to call it a terror act - and this was after Obama's Rose Garden "acts of terror" general statement...

KROFT: Mr. President, this morning you went out of your way to avoid the use of the word terrorism in connection with the Libya Attack, do you believe that this was a terrorism attack?

OBAMA: Well it’s too early to tell exactly how this came about, what group was involved, but obviously it was an attack on Americans. And we are going to be working with the Libyan government to make sure that we bring these folks to justice, one way or the other.

http://www.realclear...ror_attack.html

Edited November 5, 2012 by koheesti

[Chicog]

Voting's already started. You can stop with the pointless semantics now.

Really, get over it. Either it swung voters or it didn't.

[Chicog]

Oh. I see Fox are still droning on about it.

No wonder.

[koheesti]

Voting's already started. You can stop with the pointless semantics now.

Really, get over it. Either it swung voters or it didn't.

This is not the election thread. This is the Benghazi-gate thread.

[Chicog]

Benghazi-gate? There is no Benghazi gate, there's just a bunch of hyperactive Fox retards trying to make a political issue out of it

[koheesti]

Benghazi-gate? There is no Benghazi gate, there's just a bunch of hyperactive Fox retards trying to make a political issue out of it

So calling other posters retards is OK now?

[GiHadOrange]

Benghazi-gate? There is no Benghazi gate, there's just a bunch of hyperactive Fox retards trying to make a political issue out of it

So calling other posters retards is OK now?

it probably depends on a few things if its okay or not.