Why Are Used Book Stores So Expensive In Chiang Mai?

[true blue]

Out of curiosity, do most people in Chiang Mai agree with me on the prices of used books in the city?

yes ive always wondered why so expensive for dog eared poor condition,smelly books.in uk the charity shops are only allowed to sell good condition books and the price of them is never more than 50bht,i no book sellers have to pay overheads,in cnx but 200/300bht for a second hand poor condition book is a bit expensive.

[femi fan]

I realise you might be talking more about fiction. If i'm right, here's an idea: no need to go onto e-reading (I too much prefer to read my physical books, and have no wish to contribute to the abandonment of paper books); instead change what you read! Try the shops again by deciding to just look at all the different sections and choose a new one that sounds interesting. I"m sure you'll find a good price book, and often it's almost as if new in condition.

So you don't care about trees and the environment?

Very much so. Books made from sustainable tree farming can be compared to the unsustainable path which consumes oil, metals, ores, which have a finite limit to deposits.

I should imagine that reading a book that may have passed through several hands will have minimal impact on our fragile environment when compared to the power required to read it on a screen. I'll leave my comments on the environment at that.

[femi fan]

Thanks for your post Femi Fan which I found fascinating. I've lived in the U.K. and am indeed surprised, nay, shocked that you find the bookstores here so well stocked. Have you never been to Foyles in London? I believe it is the largest used book store in the world with millions of books spread over many floors. Now certainly we are not living in London but tha bookish city isn't far away from most of the major places in the U.K. And even Coventry, in most ways unremarkable except for its cathedral, had, as I remember, some good book stores (was it Brown's?). Ditto with the Sussex countryside.

I'd like to know where in the sussex countryside! It's where i grew up. But i wasn't buying many books as a young adult there. However i go to bookshops in every town i go to on trips to england these days and have found nothing to compare with what i have here in chiang mai. Same goes for australia. I've been in big bookstores and the choice for what i like to read about is often pitiful in comparison to here!

Not been to bookshops for a decade or so in london.

Would i be wrong in assuming that bookshops have to stock books that their customers will want to read? A lot of the books i want to read come from this part of the world, reflecting the life i see around me by living here. So when i go to england or australia, yes, they have loads of books sometimes, but the selection for my needs has always been poor compared to chiang mai.

I think i'm trying to say that perhaps because i enjoy where i live i enjoy the choices of books i get where i live.

[femi fan]

What I've found curious about the bookstores here is not only their high prices but how unfriendly their owners are. Most book store operators, worldwide, care about reading and are not so profit oriented. The Chinese shop owner who sold me Master and Commander knew all about the story, about the series, and about the book's popularity. He just enjoyed chatting and talking about books and also bargaining. That's typical in Asia with Asians. Here in Chiang Mai, it's all about money and all of the book sellers/owners here I've met are foreigners, mostly Brits it seems. So again, in my opinion, the one thing out of wack here in Chiang Mai that's really noticeable is the used book stores!

The place i go to most of the time is not farang owned, i think it's run by an indian, or perhaps indian thai, but a nice thai woman is normally there running the shop. I can't remember the name right now, but if you came down the tha pae road and you have to turn left at the bottom by the moat, as you turn the corner, shortly after there's a sort of car park area on the left with shops either side. The bookshop is there.

She's pretty friendly!

But in any case i remain interested in your basic premise that the prices are too high. I hope your thread gets some informative posts. I just had never thought about it too much, the prices. Often for me they are just much cheaper than in england or australia. So when compared to other asian cities, then it becomes an interesting topic.

[TheVicar]

Thanks for the kind thoughts Femi Fan, and for the tip for the Indian run book store. I'll look for it. Since you asked, I lived in Brighton (attending Sussex U). The best thing about Brighton is that it was 1 hour by train to London. London is definitely the book capital of the world. I've also spent time in S. Africa and it too has lots of good (and cheap) used books in English. I would rate Chiang Mai near the bottom of places I have lived in (on 4 different continents) for used books, especially for affordability. But that's just my opinion.

[hellodolly]

For a real traveler get a kindle. You can take up to 3,600 books with you depending on the model. As a real travler would be able to tell You there are not bookshops for English speaking people in many of the smaller cities.

I really had to chuckle at the posts talking about one or two book shops in a city of millions of people For the price to find them you could probably buy several books. If you live on the other side of the city the cost to save money on the books would require massive buying.

I do think that a lot of books here are high. Where I buy most of mine it is 99 baht. But I do not go into the heart of a tourist area to buy them. If I need a book to fill a series I will. I know one shop just go in and ask if they have it and they will look it up on the computer and tell you. I know another large one where I just ask and the clerk always seems to know about it and if it is in a series she knows about all of them.

[justcruisin]

Do any of these book shops offer customers Free water? That's what I'd like to know

More to the point will a Kindle even offer you a glass of water?

I would like to know too!

[justcruisin]

I have a friend on the coast of Vietnam who runs a bookshop, he comes to CM yearly to stock up.

Just goes to show that the prices here are a lot better than around Viang Tao.

[endure]

Get yourself an e-reader, then you can download all the books for free.

Let me see ..... Master & Commander series, say 20 books, $4 each = $120

Price of a Kindle done already.

Ehm, the book the OP mentioned as an example is $9.57 for the Kindle edition. And $10.49 as paperback. Which kind of shows that Amazon is raking it in, too.

Amazon don't set the price of Kindle books. They're set by the publisher under the agency model of selling.

[eek]

Thanks for the ideas on Kindle but I actually like to hold a real book in my hands. And if I am not mistaken, you also have to pay extra for popular books on Kindle too! And of course the law of supply and demand is in effect but so are other economic laws and prices for almost everything else (rentals, wages, transport) are lower in Chiang Mai than the cities I mentioned. So, economically speaking, I would also expect the prices of used books to be too.

Im the same, prefer an actual paper book in my hands. I practically spend my life at a computer, so having a paper book rather than a screen one, is much better for me. I generally just enjoy the feel and smell of actual books in general anyway.

Regarding the prices, well, looking from the shops point of view, i cant imagine the turnover here would be as high as bangkok (?), so considering the overheads they have, and their buy back deal.is it really so bad? I really dont blame them for wanting to offer a buy back incentive. Granted, i dont buy as many as i would like though.

[endure]

UG will be along in a minute to explain the economics of running a bookstore...

[CNXBKKMAN]

I agree with The Vicar. The price of second hand english books in CM are high and the bargain bucket one's are a joke. I always thought it was due the scarcity of these books in a foreign country. How many second hand Chinese book shops are there in the UK? or japanese ? English books in Malaysia may be cheaper due the much bigger market for english books. A lot of the population can read and write english. A lot thais

can only read comic books never mind englsh books with no pictures.

Haggling in CM books shops doesn't work because a lot of the people who sit behind the counter are not the owners and have no authority to discount. They get paid very little also. You will be surprised how many farangs steal the books.

[moe666]

My daughter has a Kindle and she checks books at the local library if they have it then she can go to Amazon and download to her Kindle. She did mention that you need a computer to complete the exchange. I need her to go thru this for me as I will buy a new Kindle Fire before returning to CM.

Yes the books are a bit expensive but the 50 percent back is a good deal. I get a bit pissed at what they will pay me for a new book now that is highway robbery.

[moe666]

In Bangkok I mostly buy books with a discount card from Asia books and sometimes on sale.

For used books I have on occasion bought books from small book stores on Sukhumvit prices not cheap but OK for books that I wanted.

In Chiang Mai I find the used book stores much nicer than what I saw in Bangkok - better selection - better books - nicer stores - mostly friendly staff but some that are bored.

Pricing is slightly higher than what I would like to pay in a used book store but many of the books are basically like new - maybe overstock?

Near Tae Pae gate there are a number of used book stores that are walking distance frome each other - which makes for a very nice shopping experience far better than Bangkok.

I have a feeling that between high rent and keeping a large inventory they don't make a large profit.

Personally I am very happy to support small independent bookstores - if the price was much lower something would have to give - going out of business, smaller inventory, less staff etc...

Now I could be wrong - maybe small book stores are very profitable these days but I don't think so....

If someone has first hand experience of highly profitable small book stores I would love to hear about it.

I know that in America book store salaries have historically been low and the trend is for book stores to go out of business (large and small)

I have a friend here in Albuquerque who owns a used book shop and the majority of sales are now on line

[TommoPhysicist]

My daughter has a Kindle and she checks books at the local library if they have it then she can go to Amazon and download to her Kindle. She did mention that you need a computer to complete the exchange. I need her to go thru this for me as I will buy a new Kindle Fire before returning to CM.

Don't get a Kindle fire, buy the Nexus 7" from google .......... not limited like the Fire, not much more expensive, runs the Kindle software.

Edited October 3, 2012 by TommoPhysicist

[Ulysses G.]

UG will be along in a minute to explain the economics of running a bookstore...

I will give it a try.

First of all, the OP's premise is just plain wrong (and by the way, I have several copies of the title he was looking on the shelves for at less than 200 baht). In general, Chiang Mai has cheaper used books than most other cities in Thailand. I have visited many book stores in Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket and Koh Samui and I get books from these places constantly, so it is pretty easy to keep track. Yes, there are a few stores around that sell everything very cheap, but the owner usually does not know much about books and has very few good books in stock and lots of complete junk. If you are walking by it might be worth going in just in case there is one or two good titles, but most customers want a variety of good books in one place and normally, this kind of store does not have many at all.

Of course someone can always point to better deals they got on certain books from different stores, but that is the nature of used book shops. If someone has too many copies of a certain title, they might sell it cheaply - otherwise, they may never sell it at all. I have a fair number of titles that I know that I am probably never going to get rid of - I have way too many in stock. I put them on special, but another store might be selling them for far more because they do not have many copies. It does not make them "expensive" because they are not giving it away for the price that they bought it for originally or even less like I am.

The last time that I looked, I had something like 15,000 titles that cost 100 baht or less. They are not the newest, trendiest titles, but many of them were a few years ago. Unfortunately, the newest, trendiest titles and some perennial best sellers are all that most people are interested in. I would estimate that 90% of the customers are only interested in 3% of the stock. I can never get enough of those titles and I often have to pay a lot to get them. Those are usually the books that people want to bargain for, but if they don't buy it for the marked price, someone else will shortly afterwards and I will probably have a very difficult time obtaining another one.

Someone mentioned the price of used books in English speaking countries and specifically charity shops. The charity shops get them for free and they have a constant supply, so of course they are cheaper than here. The regular book shops in English speaking countries also have a constant supply of cheap books as many people in developed countries just throw them away. I have to import most of my books from these countries and pay for transportation and customs fees which is quite expensive. That being said, I have visited Australia a number of times and find the used books (in proper book shops) to be about the same price as in Thailand. We are in a small city in the middle of South East Asia with few English readers. Of course London has better bookstores and cheaper prices.

On e-books, I am guessing they will eventually replace paper books, because, until they do, the sellers will try to keep the prices down. It reminds me of when when the big chains moved into San Francisco and put most of the independent book stores out of business by discounting most of their books. They said that they sold such a big volume that they would always sell books cheaply, but as soon as the smaller shops were driven out, they severely cut back on the discounts. My prediction is that the e-book sellers will do the same. Luckily, many people want a copy of their favorite books to keep and they usually want a physical copy rather than just some words on a screen. I do not know how long the publishers will keep making paper books, but as long as they do, there will be people who prefer them. However, they might not be around for long.

Edited October 3, 2012 by Ulysses G.

[isanbirder]

I live in the sticks in Isan, and come to Chiangmai every six months on a book-buying spree. That speaks for itself. Incidentally, I have bought most of the Aubrey/Maturin series in new condition there for B.180-200 (150 when I bought a batch together).

I checked the secondhand bookstores in Singapore a few years back, and they were a joke, a rather poor joke.

You can download a Kindle app free on any PC/laptop. You don't need to buy Amazon's 'machine' unless you want it for travelling.

I shall be in Bangkok in a couple of weeks' time ( a very rare visit for me!), and shall check a few stores I've been recommended. Any other recommendations would be welcome!

[uptheos]

For a real traveler get a kindle. You can take up to 3,600 books with you depending on the model.

Assuming that you read 1 book a week, that's almost 10 years of reading!

Why on earth would someone want 3.600 books unless they planned to enter The Guiness Book of Records?

[jacktrip]

Out of curiosity, do most people in Chiang Mai agree with me on the prices of used books in the city?

absolutely. i was surprised to find used books priced on par with the usa after moving to chiang mai.

i was also very disappointed in the selection. mostly stuff backpackers left behind or just junk titles.

books seem like a luxury item here. they shrink wrap the new and used ones and charge a premium.

[uptheos]

I agree with The Vicar. The price of second hand english books in CM are high

I've usually found a book that I like for about half its original price (in good condition).

That suits me just fine, as I don't read any old crap just for the sake of reading.

I don't get half back because I pass them on to friends and they will pass them on.

So several people getting to read a book for say 220 baht in total seems pretty cheap.

[uptheos]

Out of curiosity, do most people in Chiang Mai agree with me on the prices of used books in the city?

absolutely. i was surprised to find used books priced on par with the usa after moving to chiang mai.

i was also very disappointed in the selection. mostly stuff backpackers left behind or just junk titles.

books seem like a luxury item here. they shrink wrap the new and used ones and charge a premium.

Absolute rubbish! Gecko in particular have a great selection and also keep many specialist books that won't sell quickly. Also, I'd like to add that Gecko has taken many books from me that I didn't pass on. They took them knowing that they might not even sell them and gave me a fair price.

Edited October 3, 2012 by uptheos

[playyer]

Used to go to one on in bangkok, near khao san, on the small temple road. About 30-40 percent cheaper than the ones in chiang mai. Good selection. Always lots and lots of customers. I find the ones in CM to be a bit expensive, the selection is not bad though. But 240 - 300 baht for a used book when you can buy a new one for about 350. I wouldnt bother if i coudnt exchange it for 50 percent when i was done. They dont seem to have many customers here though so that probably why they need to keep the price a bit higher.

[uptheos]

But 240 - 300 baht for a used book when you can buy a new one for about 350.

You are absolutely correct, lots of new crappy books available at 350 baht, usually Barbara Cartland style rubbish and please don't tell me about how cheap new classics are, I read most of them at school.

Hey, but if a person likes reading rubbish, what's it to do with me?

Edited October 3, 2012 by uptheos

[NancyL]

There will be a second-hand goods section at the November 24 JJ Market Christmas Charity Shopping fair. Many of those tables are booked by individuals to sell their personal items -- like their collection of books, clothing in good condition that they no longer wear. household items, etc.

I know it's not a replacement for the many used book shops in CM and I don't think they're particularly expensive. But the fair would be a good opportunity for people to sell books they no longer want and to stock up on new titles.

Also, several charities will be selling second-hand goods at the fair and would appreciate donations if you don't want to reserve a table and spend the day selling your personal collection. Royal British Legion is one such charity that would appreciate donated clothing, books and DVDs.

http://www.lannacarenet.org/christmas-shopping-fair/

Edited October 3, 2012 by NancyL

[TheVicar]

Justcruisin wrote: "I have a friend on the coast of Vietnam who runs a bookshop, he comes to CM yearly to stock up.

Just goes to show that the prices here are a lot better than around Viang Tao."

I've lived in Vietnam for 3 years and travel there frequently so I find your account hard to believe. First off, it's Vung Tau, not Viang Tao. It's a smaller city in population, area wise, than CM and it certainly has far, far fewer farangs than our city does. HCMC has quite a large expat population and some very good used bookshops and prices are cheaper there than here (although many of these stores rip the publishers off by making photocopies).

[TheVicar]

UG will be along in a minute to explain the economics of running a bookstore...

I will give it a try.

First of all, the OP's premise is just plain wrong (and by the way, I have several copies of the title he was looking on the shelves for at less than 200 baht). In general, Chiang Mai has cheaper used books than most other cities in Thailand. I have visited many book stores in Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket and Koh Samui and I get books from these places constantly, so it is pretty easy to keep track. Yes, there are a few stores around that sell everything very cheap, but the owner usually does not know much about books and has very few good books in stock and lots of complete junk. If you are walking by it might be worth going in just in case there is one or two good titles, but most customers want a variety of good books in one place and normally, this kind of store does not have many at all.

Of course someone can always point to better deals they got on certain books from different stores, but that is the nature of used book shops. If someone has too many copies of a certain title, they might sell it cheaply - otherwise, they may never sell it at all. I have a fair number of titles that I know that I am probably never going to get rid of - I have way too many in stock. I put them on special, but another store might be selling them for far more because they do not have many copies. It does not make them "expensive" because they are not giving it away for the price that they bought it for originally or even less like I am.

The last time that I looked, I had something like 15,000 titles that cost 100 baht or less. They are not the newest, trendiest titles, but many of them were a few years ago. Unfortunately, the newest, trendiest titles and some perennial best sellers are all that most people are interested in. I would estimate that 90% of the customers are only interested in 3% of the stock. I can never get enough of those titles and I often have to pay a lot to get them. Those are usually the books that people want to bargain for, but if they don't buy it for the marked price, someone else will shortly afterwards and I will probably have a very difficult time obtaining another one.

Someone mentioned the price of used books in English speaking countries and specifically charity shops. The charity shops get them for free and they have a constant supply, so of course they are cheaper than here. The regular book shops in English speaking countries also have a constant supply of cheap books as many people in developed countries just throw them away. I have to import most of my books from these countries and pay for transportation and customs fees which is quite expensive. That being said, I have visited Australia a number of times and find the used books (in proper book shops) to be about the same price as in Thailand. We are in a small city in the middle of South East Asia with few English readers. Of course London has better bookstores and cheaper prices.

On e-books, I am guessing they will eventually replace paper books, because, until they do, the sellers will try to keep the prices down. It reminds me of when when the big chains moved into San Francisco and put most of the independent book stores out of business by discounting most of their books. They said that they sold such a big volume that they would always sell books cheaply, but as soon as the smaller shops were driven out, they severely cut back on the discounts. My prediction is that the e-book sellers will do the same. Luckily, many people want a copy of their favorite books to keep and they usually want a physical copy rather than just some words on a screen. I do not know how long the publishers will keep making paper books, but as long as they do, there will be people who prefer them. However, they might not be around for long.

1. Thanks for the lengthy reply but I stand by my original position (and most people here seem to agree with me) that the prices of used books in CM are high.

2. You say you have copies of the book I wanted for less than B 200 (you don't specificy the exact price, I notice) but come on! I went to 5 bookstores here and the price ranged from about 220 to 260. No one offered that book for B200 or less. And you don't address my other point that I bought a very good paperback of that book in Penang for the equivalent of B110. That is less than 50% of the cost on average in Chiang Mai! And costs for everything are higher in Malaysia than here, including labor, electricity, rents, taxes etc. And the Chinese bookstore owner who sold me that book at that price knew exactly what it was, what series it was in and how popular it was. Moreso than any book seller I have talked with in CM so please don't play the very wrong card that he didn't know better!

3. I'd like to know which store it is in CM that has 15,000 copies of used books for under B 100 because I'm certainly missing it. I suspect you are exagerrating (by about 10,000 copies).

4. By the way, I find your statement that we are in a small town in the middle of SE Asia with few English readers curious. Last time I checked, the metro population of CM was over a million and we have a very, very large expat population that speaks English and a fair number of Thai speakers who do so as well (in addition to having one of Thailand's largest and most prestigious universities here). Again, Penang has more used bookstores on one road (Chulia) than I think CM has in toto and their prices are much lower than here. I picked up two other books with my Master and Commander. Want to know their price? 1 R (or B 10 each) and they were not the kind of clunkers that are good for doorstops only that are in the "bargain bins" in CM. All of the arguments you use to justify high prices here (including shipping costs etc.) are in play for them too and once again, costs for everything are higher in Malaysia than they are in Thailand.

5. I suspect that what has really happened in CM in the used book business is that there is a cabal of owners (one or two owners own multiple shops) who effectively set prices. I think it has little to do with costs or market forces because as I've said repeatedly, everything else in CM is cheap. Only the used book prices are out of kilter.

[silverhawk_usa]

I have been a regular and frequent customer of what is claimed to be the largest used book store(s) in Chiang Mai. I have thought the prices to be generally reasonable on used books, and the fact I can return them and get back half of what I paid, is worthwhile to me.

HOWEVER! Last week I returned a couple used books I had purchase at the shop, and wished to sell 3 new books I had also purchased and read in the last couple weeks. Although the shop has signs saying they pay the highest prices in town for used books, I was offered 50baht each for the new books. I thought there was some mistake, but the girl said that is all they will pay as they have many fiction books already. Ridiculous. That was less than the dog eared used books I was returning.

To be specific, I was returning the latest books in the John Sandford "Prey" series which are not available in the used books stores yet, and I am sure would be in demand, as the other Sandford books are stocked by this shop. In fact, another customer in the store heard all this conversation (I remained polite, I might add, as the girl was only following what she was told) offered to buy the books off me direct and we consummated a deal for a much higher price right there in the story.

I am disappointed enough by this ridiculous policy, contrary to what the store signs say, that I probably will take my business elsewhere from now on. Sorry, as I usually like to stay loyal to a regular merchant, but obviously that sentiment does not go in the other direction.

[TheVicar]

Isanbirdwatcher: "I shall be in Bangkok in a couple of weeks' time ( a very rare visit for me!), and shall check a few stores I've been recommended. Any other recommendations would be welcome!"

Glad to help out and maybe this is a positive way to end and thank all contributors here, even those with whom I have disagreed. If anything, this thread would indicate we have a lot of people in CM interested in reading, and that's wonderful. (And maybe people more knowledgeable about CM than myself can add similar places for CM).

In Bangkok:

1) check out the superb Neilson Hayes Library on Surawong Road (going toward the river away from Patpong, about 1 kilometer) and just next to the British Club. In addition to its 30,000 or so books, the colonial style building, about 120 years old, is historic (well worth a visit in its own right; lots of movies are filmed here) and it has a changing art exhibit in its rotunda plus talks with writers, workshops etc. Also, it has a lovely Garden Terrace restaurant with good food and drink for reasonable prices just next to it (food now from the British Club). If you are lucky and go on a weekend, they might be having one of their book sales (and prices are fantastic; I've actually picked up an armload of good books for B 100!) Here's their web site: http://www.neilsonhayslibrary.com/

It's the one institution I miss from Bangkok the most; Chiang Mai has nothing like it. The comfortable old green leather and wood sitting chairs are classics. The whole building has air con. A wonderful institution held back only by its volunteer expat (and all female) staff.

2. There's a good used book store not far from Bumrungrad hospital just off of Sukhmvit Road. I cannot recall the name or exact address but the Thai owner sits there most of the time reading from his own collection and you can bargain. Large collection of books reasonably priced in good condition. The owner is very knowledgable.

3. Asiabooks has bookstores, mostly new ones, all over the city. You can get a 10% discount card from them (they also have stores in CM) and often they have good sales (something like-- buy 2 get 1 free from a limited selection of books). The largest one is on Sukhumvit Road near the Grand Sheraton Hotel. Another large one is in the Paragon shopping center (3rd floor, I think) (located at Siam Square). Their stores usually also have bargain bins with books on huge discounts. You can get really good prices on cook books in these bargains bins and things like calendars.

4. Also in the Paragon shopping center (4th floor as I remember) is the enormous Kinokuniya Bookstore (a Japanese chain) which has the largest selection of books (new) in all of Southeast Asia. The English collection is huge and of course they have books in Japanese (and I think French, German and Spanish). Generally more expensive than Asia Books but a bigger collection AND you can read from titles in the bookstore (they have some comfy places to sit and read) and they have a good coffee shop in their store. The same bookstore has another large branch at the older Emporium shopping center on Sukhumvit Road. They often run good sales.

5. There is a large library run by AUA, which is not really an American university but the American government in disguise (ditto for AUA here in CM) not far from Silom Park. Books here are more academic in nature and usually nonfiction. You can get a library card for a nominal fee that allows you to take books out; and you can browse in the library free without a card. Good newspaper collection too. Comfortable, air con library.

6. The Goethe Institute and the Alliance Francais (you can get their locations from Google) both have libraries, mostly in German and French, respectively, but with a surprisingly large number of English books too. Both also have lovely food outlets and top notch cultural offerings. They are well worth visiting.

[trainman34014]

There will be a second-hand goods section at the November 24 JJ Market Christmas Charity Shopping fair. Many of those tables are booked by individuals to sell their personal items -- like their collection of books, clothing in good condition that they no longer wear. household items, etc.

I know it's not a replacement for the many used book shops in CM and I don't think they're particularly expensive. But the fair would be a good opportunity for people to sell books they no longer want and to stock up on new titles.

Also, several charities will be selling second-hand goods at the fair and would appreciate donations if you don't want to reserve a table and spend the day selling your personal collection. Royal British Legion is one such charity that would appreciate donated clothing, books and DVDs.

http://www.lannacare...-shopping-fair/

Nancy; can you give me a location for JJ market as I've never seen it or been there....Thanks.

[SledgePOTY2006]

Who still uses real books these days ? Kindle etc are were it is at!