Australian, 93, Faces Sexual Assault Charges In Thailand

[Sing_Sling]

Seriously?

[tropo]

Plausible that the police and parents made it all up

Get out of here! That never happens in Thailand.

(It's common in the Philippines though)

Edited October 5, 2012 by tropo

[Nisa]

Plausible that he is a paedophile, implausible that he could overpower girls of that age when he is a frail 90-year old.

There isn't even a hint of speculation or accusation he overpowered these children who were as young as 5-years old.

But what is implausible is that after that it is untrue "Cops found video footage and 100 photographs of naked children, some posing with the elderly man" and they are going to appear in court and say they lost all this evidence.

[Nisa]

Seriously?

"Neighbors described Kraus as an active senior citizen who still drives his own car. But when cops showed up at his home, he acted frail, walked with a cane and griped about his high blood pressure and diabetes."

[chiangmaikelly]

Seriously?

"Neighbors described Kraus as an active senior citizen who still drives his own car. But when cops showed up at his home, he acted frail, walked with a cane and griped about his high blood pressure and diabetes."

Blood pressure and diabetes is easy to check and I don't think a lot of people keep canes who don't use them. But what do I know?

[theblether]

I can only wonder about theblether's attitude on this thread. It is certainly far removed from his normal, well thought out posts. Maybe this will help. There have been times when my lifestyle ie coming to Thailand about 6/7 times a year has caused raised eyebrows back home in Scotland. There is some kind of train of thought over there that all visitors to Thailand might be paedophiles. Indeed, a workmate of mine, who had a gf and baby in Thailand had a helluva job getting his mother to visit because of this. Nothing beats old fashioned Scottish ingrained opinionated hatred. Rights or wrongs do not matter, it is just there and always will be

In grained Scottish hatred of paedophiles? yes, that's me.

Make your next post a good one, you're crossing into dangerous territory.

[atyclb]

93 years of Age! Jeepers creepers, its a wonder he can even get it up at that age!!

Intravenous Viagra

[GentlemanJim]

Why don't we all cool it. It's a very emotive subject with differing views on how the man should currently be handled. We're all nice people really, and it's Friday. Lets make today 'flame free Friday' and enjoy a few cold beers and some debate.

[softgeorge]

Why don't we all cool it. It's a very emotive subject with differing views on how the man should currently be handled. We're all nice people really, and it's Friday. Lets make today 'flame free Friday' and enjoy a few cold beers and some debate.

you buying?

[tinfoilhat]

Here's my last word on this subject......each and every person on this thread that thought they would have a go at me bookmark this and come back to me after the trial......this report is from Destiny Rescue,

http://www.destinyre...ught-to-justice

Here's the line that will put an end to all of these stupid defences..............

“When Thai police first arrested Kraus two years ago on rape charges, they alleged they seized from him more than 100 photographs of naked children, including some of him posing with them. They alleged he emailed some pictures overseas, suggesting he was part of an international paedophilia network.”

In a court room soon photographs of this scumbag posing naked with little girls will be displayed........this little detail may explain why there has been a relative silence on this matter by the Australian authorities, they know he has been caught bang to rights.

What say you apologists now, eh?

i say you take yourself way too seriously and get very nasty when cornered.

As for the pedophile, he will be dead soon either way and nothing will undo the damage he has done.

[Sing_Sling]

Plausible that he is a paedophile, implausible that he could overpower girls of that age when he is a frail 90-year old.

There isn't even a hint of speculation or accusation he overpowered these children who were as young as 5-years old.

But what is implausible is that after that it is untrue "Cops found video footage and 100 photographs of naked children, some posing with the elderly man" and they are going to appear in court and say they lost all this evidence.

As young as five and as old as old as teens . . . as for the 'evidence' why don't they dispaly it as they do with all the other 'crimes' they uncover . . . I'm sure there would be some photos 'decent' enough to display publicly and have someone scrutinise them for photoshopping.

I apologise if I am not as ready as some to throw the old guy under the train . . . odd that cops and the authorities in general are condemned by 'us' daily and vociferously yet the benefit of the doubt is not extended to a 93-year old who could very, very well be stitched up.

[Sing_Sling]

Seriously?

"Neighbors described Kraus as an active senior citizen who still drives his own car. But when cops showed up at his home, he acted frail, walked with a cane and griped about his high blood pressure and diabetes."

Yes, a ninety-three year old 'acting' frail . . . can you see the photos?

If he did do it then they should just prove it. Simple, really

[Nisa]

Plausible that he is a paedophile, implausible that he could overpower girls of that age when he is a frail 90-year old.

There isn't even a hint of speculation or accusation he overpowered these children who were as young as 5-years old.

But what is implausible is that after that it is untrue "Cops found video footage and 100 photographs of naked children, some posing with the elderly man" and they are going to appear in court and say they lost all this evidence.

As young as five and as old as old as teens . . . as for the 'evidence' why don't they dispaly it as they do with all the other 'crimes' they uncover . . . I'm sure there would be some photos 'decent' enough to display publicly and have someone scrutinise them for photoshopping.

I apologise if I am not as ready as some to throw the old guy under the train . . . odd that cops and the authorities in general are condemned by 'us' daily and vociferously yet the benefit of the doubt is not extended to a 93-year old who could very, very well be stitched up.

Despite your desire to have unedited pictures of naked children printed in the press for the sake of our playing detective and judge, this is not something normally done. However it is the common theme claimed by posters here when they want to question police (why don't they release the evidence). In fact is actually EXTREMELY common and proper for police not to release publicly their evidence to the public, they do this at trial. As with big busts and drug or gun busts, yes hear like elsewhere, they like to use the evidence for PR.

The guy is on trial an a verdict will be reached soon that will in no way be determined by our opinions expressed here. If you want to believe in the guys innocence then make a case or explain you don't have opinions until the court ruling but please don't try to make a case by putting responsibility or blame onto the child victims.

Your continuing a mentioning the children's age as somehow being relevant to if he molested children is either sick or just shows your lack of understanding of what is child molestation.

[theblether]

Here's my last word on this subject......each and every person on this thread that thought they would have a go at me bookmark this and come back to me after the trial......this report is from Destiny Rescue,

http://www.destinyre...ught-to-justice

Here's the line that will put an end to all of these stupid defences..............

“When Thai police first arrested Kraus two years ago on rape charges, they alleged they seized from him more than 100 photographs of naked children, including some of him posing with them. They alleged he emailed some pictures overseas, suggesting he was part of an international paedophilia network.”

In a court room soon photographs of this scumbag posing naked with little girls will be displayed........this little detail may explain why there has been a relative silence on this matter by the Australian authorities, they know he has been caught bang to rights.

What say you apologists now, eh?

i say you take yourself way too seriously and get very nasty when cornered.

As for the pedophile, he will be dead soon either way and nothing will undo the damage he has done.

Be quiet, your showing the scars of battles lost..........

The worst case scenario is the guy dying before trial though.

[Nisa]

Seriously?

"Neighbors described Kraus as an active senior citizen who still drives his own car. But when cops showed up at his home, he acted frail, walked with a cane and griped about his high blood pressure and diabetes."

Blood pressure and diabetes is easy to check and I don't think a lot of people keep canes who don't use them. But what do I know?

Blood pressure and diabetes ... both called silent killers for a reason. I think the last stats I read were 25% of US population has high blood pressure and nearly 10% of the total population and over 30% of people over 65 has diabities.

Here is a pic of him being brought to court prior to his fleeing to Burma

If nothing else, good thing for the public they got him him to stop driving his car

Edited October 5, 2012 by Nisa

[cbrer]

So the police had 100s of pictures of naked children, some where he was posing with naked children, but they didn't show any of it to the court where he was granted bail.

Something smells about this so called 'evidence that will be presented at court'.

Why did the authorities grant him bail if he had such stuff on his computer, and was really raping little children?

Edited October 5, 2012 by cbrer

[cbrer]

Interesting to note he walked just fine, lived on his own and drove a car ... that is up until the police showed up when the neighbors say he began to act feeble.

Are you making things up now Nisa?

All your says is:

"Neighbours say that, until recently, Mr Kraus drove a car and appeared spritely"

Neighbours say that, until recently, Mr Kraus drove a car and appeared spritely, but he has appeared in a wheelchair at his most recent court appearances.

I've highlighted the parts that aren't in your link.

[cbrer]

If guilty, will this make him the oldest ever paedophile convicted by a court, in the history of mankind?

Just googling and one 89 year old came up, but his crimes occurred in the 1970s and 80s.

Another at 76, but it occurred 25 years ago.

Edited October 5, 2012 by cbrer

[theblether]

If guilty, will this make him the oldest ever paedophile convicted by a court, in the history of mankind?

Just googling and one 89 year old came up, but his crimes occurred in the 1970s and 80s.

The population is ageing......there's already been an increase in geriatric crime rates

http://www.alternet.org/story/141470/is_america_on_the_verge_of_a_geriatric_crime_wave

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/nov/21/pensioner-crimewave-saga-lout

I read an article recently about this problem in Japan......here's a report

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/3213349/Japan-struggles-with-elderly-crime-wave.html

It's only to be expected that as people live longer and are fitter/ more active than you would have expected in recent years that more people will get into trouble.

[Gaccha]

3. The man's mental health is a factor.

One doesn't know as there is no statement of whether or not a mental health assessment was made. There is no indication of whether or not the man was on medication. Some medications cause very aberrant behaviour.

Warning: This medicine may cause you to Gbecome sexually attracted to children and force you to molest multiple children and amass child pornography that you will be compelled to share with your friends overseas.

The level of hysteria being displayed on here by some allegedy intelligent people is quite simply shocking.

I don't think anyone is trying to allege members of thaivisa are intelligent. You can't go around making such accusations .....

[Nisa]

So the police had 100s of pictures of naked children, some where he was posing with naked children, but they didn't show any of it to the court where he was granted bail.

Something smells about this so called 'evidence that will be presented at court'.

Why did the authorities grant him bail if he had such stuff on his computer, and was really raping little children?

It only sounds fishy if you don't understand much of the court system and how bail works.. Just because somebody is likely guilty doesn't mean they are denied bail .. not here or in any civil society. If there was a serious question about his guilt then he would not need bail because the charges would not proceed. The fact is that the overwhelming majority of people who are charged with a crime end up pleading or being found guilty and only a very small percentage are denied bail.

Edited October 5, 2012 by Nisa

[Nisa]

3. The man's mental health is a factor.

One doesn't know as there is no statement of whether or not a mental health assessment was made. There is no indication of whether or not the man was on medication. Some medications cause very aberrant behaviour.

Warning: This medicine may cause you to Gbecome sexually attracted to children and force you to molest multiple children and amass child pornography that you will be compelled to share with your friends overseas.

The level of hysteria being displayed on here by some allegedy intelligent people is quite simply shocking.

Where others see what is clearly sarcasm others may be wrapped a little to tight on the issue and view light hearted sarcasm as hysteria. But let me try again ... Can somebody tell us of one medication that has been known to cause Pedophilia?

Edited October 5, 2012 by Nisa

[cbrer]

If guilty, will this make him the oldest ever paedophile convicted by a court, in the history of mankind?

Just googling and one 89 year old came up, but his crimes occurred in the 1970s and 80s.

The population is ageing......there's already been an increase in geriatric crime rates

http://www.alternet....tric_crime_wave

http://www.guardian....ewave-saga-lout

I read an article recently about this problem in Japan......here's a report

http://www.telegraph...crime-wave.html

It's only to be expected that as people live longer and are fitter/ more active than you would have expected in recent years that more people will get into trouble.

And not a single sex-crime in all of that tripe.

The question is simple.

Will he be the oldest pedophile in (recorded) human history if convicted?

[Dork]

Just the terminology here is sickening enough. Give it a rest will ya?

Why don't you give it a rest instead of bringing it up over and over in quotes?

A truly bizarre reply.

+1

Maybe Tropo can explain the case for the defence, he's been asked to do so twice already........maybe he can explain this.....

“When Thai police first arrested Kraus two years ago on rape charges, they alleged they seized from him more than 100 photographs of naked children, including some of him posing with them. They alleged he emailed some pictures overseas, suggesting he was part of an international paedophilia network.”

That information is all over the internet, and has been reported in respected journals all over the World, this guy who has already admitted to being involved in a rape case before in Thailand, and the last time he cried....." it was a set up to extort money from me ".

What's his cry this time? " it's a set up to extort money from me ".......this guy is now accused of multiple rapes, he's been caught with indecent images on his PC, and he has been caught with photos of himself posing with little girls.

Some people need to explain their determination to defend this rapist and paedophile.

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

[cbrer]

It only sounds fishy if you don't understand much of the court system and how bail works..

You mean like millions of baht in the judge's lunchbox?

(See the Ratchada Court two million baht lunchbox case).

Edited October 5, 2012 by cbrer

[cbrer]

^^ Too much to quote but you're looking for someone to explain this:

“When Thai police first arrested Kraus two years ago on rape charges, they alleged they seized from him more than 100 photographs of naked children, including some of him posing with them. They alleged he emailed some pictures overseas, suggesting he was part of an international paedophilia network.”

If the Thai police allege something that it has to be true, eh.

I find it hard to believe that people who have lived in Thailand for any amount of time would regard what the Thai police allege to be worth basing one's beliefs on.

[Bender]

Seriously?

Definitively, innocent until proven guilty...

and i am laughing dead. Is this the next threat to thailand?

After 200 msg on this topic, the only thing i can conclude, its we do have the dumbest troll among us...

Here another real danger to the human kind

[Nisa]

If guilty, will this make him the oldest ever paedophile convicted by a court, in the history of mankind?

Just googling and one 89 year old came up, but his crimes occurred in the 1970s and 80s.

First consider that he was likely 88 when these acts allegedly happened. He was first charged when he was 90 years old in June of 2010 for crimes that were committed in 2008. http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9GLIHJG1.htm

Also a couple news reports from the US posted when this topic came up last time ...

91-year old San Diego man Accused of Molestation .. http://articles.latimes.com/1992-03-05/local/me-4748_1_child-molestation

91-year-old Tucson man has been convicted on five counts of child molestation ... http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_central_southern_az/tucson/elderly-tucson-man-convicted-of-child-molestation#ixzz22ri0va8G

[tropo]

Seriously?

"Neighbors described Kraus as an active senior citizen who still drives his own car. But when cops showed up at his home, he acted frail, walked with a cane and griped about his high blood pressure and diabetes."

Yes, a ninety-three year old 'acting' frail . . . can you see the photos?

If he did do it then they should just prove it. Simple, really

Incredible isn't it? ... a 93 year old "acting frail"?

[tropo]

Here's my last word on this subject......each and every person on this thread that thought they would have a go at me bookmark this and come back to me after the trial......this report is from Destiny Rescue,

http://www.destinyre...ught-to-justice

Here's the line that will put an end to all of these stupid defences..............

“When Thai police first arrested Kraus two years ago on rape charges, they alleged they seized from him more than 100 photographs of naked children, including some of him posing with them. They alleged he emailed some pictures overseas, suggesting he was part of an international paedophilia network.”

In a court room soon photographs of this scumbag posing naked with little girls will be displayed........this little detail may explain why there has been a relative silence on this matter by the Australian authorities, they know he has been caught bang to rights.

What say you apologists now, eh?

i say you take yourself way too seriously and get very nasty when cornered.

As for the pedophile, he will be dead soon either way and nothing will undo the damage he has done.

Be quiet, your showing the scars of battles lost..........

The worst case scenario is the guy dying before trial though.

You're still at it? That would be one of the better case scenarios. The worst case scenario would be facing a judge with your mentality because he'd most likely be heading for one of those old fashioned 'hanged, drawn and quartered' executions.

If you were running the show he wouldn't even need a day in court. He'd be summarily executed on the spot.

Edited October 5, 2012 by tropo