Lost The Plot - Have A Point - How Would You Cope ?

[Nick in Thailand]

Empires come, empires go. Economic power ebbs and flows too. Why should it be so different for the US? The UK had the biggest empire that world has ever seen: the empire ended (sadly some of the cr@p mentality remains) but the UK hasn't crumbled into dust.

Change is inevitable. Live with it, folks. No panic. If the world did not have the survivalist crackpots, many of whom seem to lurk far out on the right wing of society, life would lose some of its rich variety.

If you feel that it is unavoidable that the US will collapse, you are misinformed to believe that it shall pass without any great problem. We are far more mutually dependent now than we were in the mid twentieth century. All great empires militarise and turn to war before collapsing, the British Empire collapsed due to being bled dry during World War II, having fought for so long it had no resources to mount much of a challenge to its declining empire. You can be sure it would not have relinquished it's interests without a fight if it had the means to do so.

If you feel like it is collapse is inevitable, I would love to read how the world would avert financial disaster and war. You just seem to write 'everything will be fine because the British Empire collapsed and it was fine' without realizing that the British Empire was not only an exception to the rule but a very different form of hegemony altogether.

Please give me your scenario as to how the world keeps itself together economically, I'm very interested.

Edited October 8, 2012 by Nick in Thailand

[Dancealot]

I am a survivalist, I came her to escape 'Peak Oil'.

When the end comes, I will be happy and safe on my Thai farm, with my Thai family.

We don't need fuel to make our crops grow, all done by hand in the traditional way.

My solution is going back to nature and downgrade everything luxury i was used to in the west. What i am preparing to do is living from the land and living in a real Thai country house. I am practising farming and learning the language. I love to go back to basics. So whenever a mayor disaster comes along i have acquired skills the build a house or live without electricity and on rainwater only. I learn so much from the Thai.

If the end of the world comes along, your Thai neighbours will kill you and take the food that you have grown and the land you are living on.

Spot on. Only you’re not elaborating enough. This pertains to anywhere on the planet.

In the event of a major World Catastrophe, all law and order would break down. Society would turn into anarchy and become the survival of the strongest and the most powerful.

If you have something that everyone wants, than you would have to fight in order to keep it. It would become a free for all, every man for himself. People will put the welfare and survival of themselves and close families first, even if it meant grabbing what they can by force or even committing murder.

The reality would be, that your land and produce would need to be guarded by a fully armed army of people, as those that are alone, or in a very small group would not survive.

If we all thought like this the human race would not evolve nor be able to cohabitate. I prefer to hang out with the tribes and try to live their ways if i am in the minority. I think if we use the guns for decoration and talk out our differences we would all be more productive and more sabaai. People are people no matter where we are with the same thoughts and feelings. We can all live together in peace.

[bunple]

...Could come sooner than you think, the Mayan’s predict the “end” will come on the 21 December 2012.

Scholars however can't agree on what the “end” refers to.

[Dancealot]

Where's Bendix when we need him?

[I Like Thai]

I am a survivalist, I came her to escape 'Peak Oil'.

When the end comes, I will be happy and safe on my Thai farm, with my Thai family.

We don't need fuel to make our crops grow, all done by hand in the traditional way.

My solution is going back to nature and downgrade everything luxury i was used to in the west. What i am preparing to do is living from the land and living in a real Thai country house. I am practising farming and learning the language. I love to go back to basics. So whenever a mayor disaster comes along i have acquired skills the build a house or live without electricity and on rainwater only. I learn so much from the Thai.

If the end of the world comes along, your Thai neighbours will kill you and take the food that you have grown and the land you are living on.

plays just as well without the slur.

Oh sorry, does this fix it,

If the end of the world comes along, your Thai neighbours will kill you and all the other non Thais, take the food ye have grown and the land that ye are living on.

If ye want to know what the world might be like if there was a worldwide disaster that sent us back into the stone age (but still with modern weapons), take a look at what happened in Cambodia not so long ago.

[Dancealot]

Really I like thai, you should change your avatar.

I do not see how the Khmer genocide is an outcome of a worldwide disaster which the OP suggested. Genocide is not a cause of a worldwide disaster. But it is caused by people who think wrongly and influence and indoctrinate the 'common' people. In fact you could compare it with Adolf Hitler' s wits.

Strong people with the right thinking would never succumb to leaders who want to create a war purely based on race. Although weak personality's will quickly choose the dark side. IMHO. I have faith in the people of the world to make it a better place together and i despise the racial and personal/individual easy escape from reality. Speaking of guns and answering by: everyone has to be for them selves is just too cheap.

By approaching the discussion this way i understand more why the OP has lost the plot.

Edited October 8, 2012 by Dancealot

[Nick in Thailand]

Strong people with the right thinking would never succumb to leaders who want to create a war purely based on race.

What is "the right thinking"? Does that mean pre-war Germany was full of wrong-thinking weak people? Very confusing point you're trying to make there.

[Dancealot]

Strong people with the right thinking would never succumb to leaders who want to create a war purely based on race.

What is "the right thinking"? Does that mean pre-war Germany was full of wrong-thinking weak people? Very confusing point you're trying to make there.

Thanks for asking. By right thinking i mean do not kill and take care of eachother. From 1930-1940 people where indoctrinated by a self sustaining regime Hitler himself had created(He used scare tactics to influence ' right thinking people'). Frankly i think he was a genius. I try to be bold to state the people who are complying with the National socialist people' s party's regime of that time were weak. But aren' t we off topic now?

[Nick in Thailand]

I find it hard to believe there was a whole nation of weak-minded people. Rather, the despair the nation felt at losing its regional super-power status and becoming an economic basket case, led the people to turn to the quick-fix solution of Fascism to return their sense of pride and grandeur. Not only that, but it was (and is) really the quickest known solution to marching a nation from economic collapse into prosperity.

This is the direction the US is bound to take, we can see this from the provisions they are making already such as Presidential Directive 51 (NSPD51) and the Homeland Security Presidential Directive (HSPD-20), which even congress is banned from reading. There are many more indicators that the US will abandon its democracy and human rights obligations, such as the FM 3-39.40, Internment and Resettlement Operations Manual which was revealed earlier this year.

Sixteen trillion and counting... No way they're getting out of it nicely...

[I Like Thai]

Really I like thai, you should change your avatar.

I do not see how the Khmer genocide is an outcome of a worldwide disaster which the OP suggested. Genocide is not a cause of a worldwide disaster. But it is caused by people who think wrongly and influence and indoctrinate the 'common' people. In fact you could compare it with Adolf Hitler' s wits.

The Cambodian Genocide was caused by a complete breakdown in society, when societies break down, extremists rise to power. This happened in Cambodia. It then became a free for all where the strongest survived and the weak (in the stronger peoples eyes) were killed off. Something similar would happen if the world order broke down due to a worldwide disaster of epic proportions.

Strong people with the right thinking would never succumb to leaders who want to create a war purely based on race. Although weak personality's will quickly choose the dark side. IMHO.

All leaders think that they are the right thinking kind of people, the people that follow them also believe it to be true. Human history rarely shows a case of it being true.

I have faith in the people of the world to make it a better place together and i despise the racial and personal/individual easy escape from reality.

If racism wasn't a reality, then it wouldn't be causing the problems that are there today. It isn't a case of racism as bandied by the media, it's a natural instinct to look after yourself and your own kind and try exclude everything else in times of crisis

All animals do this, it's a territorial thing, nothing else.

Speaking of guns and answering by: everyone has to be for them selves is just too cheap.

By approaching the discussion this way i understand more why the OP has lost the plot.

May seem cheap to you, but it would be the reality.

[I Like Thai]

Strong people with the right thinking would never succumb to leaders who want to create a war purely based on race.

What is "the right thinking"? Does that mean pre-war Germany was full of wrong-thinking weak people? Very confusing point you're trying to make there.

Thanks for asking. By right thinking i mean do not kill and take care of eachother. From 1930-1940 people where indoctrinated by a self sustaining regime Hitler himself had created(He used scare tactics to influence ' right thinking people'). Frankly i think he was a genius. I try to be bold to state the people who are complying with the National socialist people' s party's regime of that time were weak. But aren' t we off topic now?

Hitler didn't create the conditions. Germany and the German people were left broken by the 1st World War. In this broken society, it was easy for extremists to gain support. He initially made great changes and advancements for the German people and Germany, then like most Strong Right Thinking people, he made a complete mess of it. After the 2nd world war, lessons were learned and Germany was rebuilt as a strong country that has remained war free since.

[Dancealot]

You are saying people react and live like animals(the strongest will survive, darwinian, idea). People have a spirit, an own opinion about what's right and wrong. Thank you for the discussion and your trouble: I like Thai. We could never agree with your opinions. I think you think like... I cannot put it in words. Better i show you how i think of you using this video clip. IMHO

I'd rather evolve..

Edited October 8, 2012 by Dancealot