Ombudsman Threatens To Take Thaksin Passport Issue To Court

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Ombudsman threatens to take Thaksin passport issue to court

CHANIKARN POOMHIRUN

THE NATION

BANGKOK: -- The Office of the Ombudsman has yet to receive a formal explanation from the Foreign Ministry for why it refused to comply with the ombudsman's instruction to recall fugitive former PM Thaksin Shinawatra's passport.

Chalermsak Chantaratim, secretary general of the Ombudsman's Office, said that if the ombudsman finds the ministry's reasons unacceptable, Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra would be asked to intervene.

Should Yingluck decide to side with the Foreign Ministry, then the government's defiant behaviour will be taken to Parliament, Chalermsak said.

Should both the government and the legislature decide to let Thaksin continue holding a Thai passport, the ombudsman will then seek a judicial review from the Administrative Court, he said.

-- The Nation 2012-10-11

[Moruya]

Lawmakers or law breakers.........?

[virtualtraveller]

Ombudsman seems quite determined here, does he have a political agenda? What's the point in going to the Prime Minister and Parliament on an issue regarding their del facto leader. But yes, it would be an interesting slap in the face if Yingluck passes the buck to her ruling parliament to green light, only to be taken down by the courts.

[Buchholz]

Chalermsak Chantaratim, secretary general of the Ombudsman's Office, said that if the ombudsman finds the ministry's reasons unacceptable, Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra would be asked to intervene.

Should Yingluck decide to side with the Foreign Ministry, then the government's defiant behaviour will be taken to Parliament, Chalermsak said.

Should both the government and the legislature decide to let Thaksin continue holding a Thai passport, the ombudsman will then seek a judicial review from the Administrative Court, he said.

So when his cousin doesn't revoke his passport, they'll ask his sister to revoke it, and when she doesn't revoke it, they'll ask his political party to revoke it.

Save the three year processing time of the above and go directly to the court review.

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Edited October 11, 2012 by Buchholz

[asiawatcher]

There isn't a hope in hell he will surrender it, nor the parliament (Shinawatra puppets) voting to revoke it - right now it will be in the success of the ombudsman's hands. He certainly does not need it with the few spares he has. What I don't understand is why the Dems have not issued a vote of no confidence against the PTP, the most imbecillic mismanaged bunch of buffoons ever to be called a government!

[GentlemanJim]

so lets start the sweepstake for when the Ombudsman is moved to an inactive post or when the Government create a new Ministerial position as 'Minister for Ombudding Ombudsmen'. Baldrick ....I have a cunning plan!

[monkeycountry]

Sounds like the Ombudsman will be "promoted" soon :-D

[Thai at Heart]

I just would like to know how many laws you have to break to issue a passport to a criminal on the run

people know my opinions about the case, but he was found guilty, so how can he get a passport?

[indyuk]

so lets start the sweepstake for when the Ombudsman is moved to an inactive post or when the Government create a new Ministerial position as 'Minister for Ombudding Ombudsmen'. Baldrick ....I have a cunning plan!

Your precocious remarks fly close to the rational since the Thai Ombudsman and his officers speak beyond their brief . That is if a Thai Ombudsman is really an Ombudsman in a sense that the international community might understand. Edited October 11, 2012 by indyuk

[coma]

Let's buy the Ombudsman a nice bottle of Johnny Walker blue label. Or 3 or 4 or 5.

[Buchholz]

so lets start the sweepstake for when the Ombudsman is moved to an inactive post or when the Government create a new Ministerial position as 'Minister for Ombudding Ombudsmen'. Baldrick ....I have a cunning plan!

Sounds like the Ombudsman will be "promoted" soon :-D

or worse....

Kornthep Wiriya, a key prosecution witness in the Shin Satellite tax-evasion case, was gunned down in Chiang Rai.

http://www.thaivisa....ed/#entry913935

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Edited October 11, 2012 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

I just would like to know how many laws you have to break to issue a passport to a criminal on the run

people know my opinions about the case, but he was found guilty, so how can he get a passport?

He can't.

That's the exact point the Ombudsman Office is making.

The Cousin Foreign Minister violated the Foreign Ministry's own rules.

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[Thai at Heart]

I just would like to know UY how many laws you have to break to issue a passport to a criminal on the run

people know my opinions about the case, but he was found guilty, so how can he get a passport?

He can't.

That's the exact point the Ombudsman Office is making.

The Cousin Foreign Minister violated the Foreign Ministry's own rules.

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I know, it's just how barefaced a level if illegality they believe they can carry out. Did no one anywhere in the entire organization not have the balls to point out the essential illegality of the whole thing.

They have basically criminalized the entire passport system.

[coma]

so lets start the sweepstake for when the Ombudsman is moved to an inactive post or when the Government create a new Ministerial position as 'Minister for Ombudding Ombudsmen'. Baldrick ....I have a cunning plan!

Sounds like the Ombudsman will be "promoted" soon :-D

or worse....

Kornthep Wiriya, a key prosecution witness in the Shin Satellite tax-evasion case, was gunned down in Chiang Rai.

http://www.thaivisa....ed/#entry913935

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Faaaark. I didn't know that one. Maybe we should all chip in for a kevlar vest and helmet for the good Ombudsman.

[Buchholz]

I just would like to know UY how many laws you have to break to issue a passport to a criminal on the run

people know my opinions about the case, but he was found guilty, so how can he get a passport?

He can't.

That's the exact point the Ombudsman Office is making.

The Cousin Foreign Minister violated the Foreign Ministry's own rules.

I know, it's just how barefaced a level if illegality they believe they can carry out. Did no one anywhere in the entire organization not have the balls to point out the essential illegality of the whole thing.

They have basically criminalized the entire passport system.

Doing so while the Foreign Ministry building was supposedly closed amidst widespread flooding just adds that much more flavor to that barefaced level.

Going against the grain is not encouraged nor tolerated.

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[thaikahuna]

DELAY, DELAY, DELAY......the longer they can avoid making a decision gives them time to get their lies...I mean stories straight.

[tragickingdom]

It seems to be very difficult for publicity horny self proclaimed academics with a dismal status to accept the ruling of parliaments. it shows that the elite is not suitable for a democratic system in Thailand. On the bright side, soon the jail where they have locked up political prisoners will be unoccupied and judges and ombudsmen can be locked up there.

[fiercesnake]

Chalermsak Chantaratim, secretary general of the Ombudsman's Office, said that if the ombudsman finds the ministry's reasons unacceptable, Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra would be asked to intervene.

Should Yingluck decide to side with the Foreign Ministry, then the government's defiant behaviour will be taken to Parliament, Chalermsak said.

Should both the government and the legislature decide to let Thaksin continue holding a Thai passport, the ombudsman will then seek a judicial review from the Administrative Court, he said.

So when his cousin doesn't revoke his passport, they'll ask his sister to revoke it, and when she doesn't revoke it, they'll ask his political party to revoke it.

Save the three year processing time of the above and go directly to the court review.

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But that's the whole point of this all - make it look good but make it take a LOT of time, and in the long run nothing will happen.

Typical political games - "We"re looking into it" - mirror job.

[rixalex]

It seems to be very difficult for publicity horny self proclaimed academics with a dismal status to accept the ruling of parliaments.

Parliaments can make any ruling they wish, as long as their rulings are within the current set of laws and within the constitution.

As Thai at Heart has said, it doesn't matter what you think of Thaksin's conviction, how fair or unfair you think it was, the fact is, until such a time that it is overturned or he is given the whitewash he craves, he is a convicted on the run criminal.

If you can't see the absurdity and ridiculousness of a Foreign Minister personally intervening to issue a passport to an on the run criminal, you really have lost all perspective.

[GentlemanJim]

It seems to be very difficult for publicity horny self proclaimed academics with a dismal status to accept the ruling of parliaments. it shows that the elite is not suitable for a democratic system in Thailand. On the bright side, soon the jail where they have locked up political prisoners will be unoccupied and judges and ombudsmen can be locked up there.

How very Khmer Rouge of you, Indeed that would be a tragic Kingdom.

[Nickymaster]

People still believe that since PT is the current government, Thaksin (a criminal on the run) should receive his passport back.

[Thai at Heart]

People still believe that since PT is the current government, Thaksin (a criminal on the run) should receive his passport back.

Well that's as maybe. Change the law so convicted criminals on the run can be issued passports and jobs a good un.

[Pi Sek]

What ever happened to the Kornthep case? Seems there was no movement since Jan 2009 and no further news since Yongyuth's denial in Feb 2009?

[Buchholz]

What ever happened to the Kornthep case? Seems there was no movement since Jan 2009 and no further news since Yongyuth's denial in Feb 2009?

"That's an inappropriate question."

[Pi Sek]

What ever happened to the Kornthep case? Seems there was no movement since Jan 2009 and no further news since Yongyuth's denial in Feb 2009?

<snip funny photo>

"That's an inappropriate question."

Oh, sorry.

[indyuk]

I just would like to know how many laws you have to break to issue a passport to a criminal on the run

people know my opinions about the case, but he was found guilty, so how can he get a passport?

When will you guys wake up? Taksin is not a criminal by any rational Juristic persons standards other than the system of justice corrupted by the Democrat conspiracy at that time. Everything since Taksin's conviction is orchestrated by Democrat conspirators who continue to hope that Taksin is further damaged or even destroyed. Anyone in Thailand that is copus mentos will know that is irrational. In fact what the Democrats seek woulhat d probably Damage Thailand even more seriously than the damage that they already caused.

[whybother]

I just would like to know how many laws you have to break to issue a passport to a criminal on the run

people know my opinions about the case, but he was found guilty, so how can he get a passport?

When will you guys wake up? Taksin is not a criminal by any rational Juristic persons standards other than the system of justice corrupted by the Democrat conspiracy at that time. Everything since Taksin's conviction is orchestrated by Democrat conspirators who continue to hope that Taksin is further damaged or even destroyed. Anyone in Thailand that is copus mentos will know that is irrational. In fact what the Democrats seek woulhat d probably Damage Thailand even more seriously than the damage that they already caused.

The FIDF was under government control. Thaksin's wife bought land from the FIDF. Thaksin signed off on it as PM. He broke the law. He is a criminal.

[Thai at Heart]

I just would like to know how many laws you have to break to issue a passport to a criminal on the run

people know my opinions about the case, but he was found guilty, so how can he get a passport?

When will you guys wake up? Taksin is not a criminal by any rational Juristic persons standards other than the system of justice corrupted by the Democrat conspiracy at that time. Everything since Taksin's conviction is orchestrated by Democrat conspirators who continue to hope that Taksin is further damaged or even destroyed. Anyone in Thailand that is copus mentos will know that is irrational. In fact what the Democrats seek woulhat d probably Damage Thailand even more seriously than the damage that they already caused.

I don't care, the court found him guilty, so on what grounds does the foreign ministry arbitrarily give him a passport?

Why not give one to all criminals on the run

I don't like the way the case was set up either but you can't just make up and dismiss laws just cuz you like it.

Appeal, come back, change the laws, but acting in this manner with complete disregard is very wrong.

[animatic]

It is still lining up the process for public view

and showing the public who would be delaying it

and by how much time should they chose to.

It is showing the complete legal process at a glance.

Better to view it through the path of due process of law,

than pretend it should just be business as usual.

He was convicted the courts reasoning was made and published publicly. He was legally convicted in public view not kangaroo court. But the main issue for him is being forced to go to the OTHER half dozen pending court cases. These carry more then the slap on the writs he has now, and could me incarceration till his dying day.

Still this move is about those who gave him the passport, and against what rules they did so.

Edited October 11, 2012 by animatic

[rixalex]

When will you guys wake up? Taksin is not a criminal by any rational Juristic persons standards other than the system of justice corrupted by the Democrat conspiracy at that time. Everything since Taksin's conviction is orchestrated by Democrat conspirators who continue to hope that Taksin is further damaged or even destroyed. Anyone in Thailand that is copus mentos will know that is irrational. In fact what the Democrats seek woulhat d probably Damage Thailand even more seriously than the damage that they already caused.

Anyone compus mentis in Thailand knows that whatever alleged irregularities there were in his conviction, and whatever alleged political motivations there might have been, Thaksin himself benefited from a highly dubious not guilty finding in his concealed assets case; knows that Thaksin stated, during his trial in 2007, that he believed in the courts and would abide by whatever their verdict was; knows that via his lawyers he attempted to bribe the judges with millions of baht, an act that alone would normally guarantee jail time and not only for the lawyers; knows that his own party was in power at the time of his trial and far better placed to influence proceedings than anyone else; knows that there is a long list of outstanding cases against Thaksin that whilst yet to be proved, look to have considerable substance and help to explain why, even with his sister as PM and another family member as head of police, he is too scared to return.