Britain, Scotland Sign Deal For Independence Referendum

[Basil B]

Aye but , ye hav tae consider the anarchist vote , with their anti nationalistic stance .

And that is why Salmond wants to give the vote to school kids who like to rebel without the gumption to realize the consequences of their actions.

[Caxa]

I am just annoyed because Rod Stewart will probably be able to vote and I will probably not - despite the fact that I was born, raised and lived in Scotland all my life until moving to Thailand, and Rod Stewart was born, raised and lived in Highgate, North London before moving to the the USA.

[Keesters]

Not only the Scottish should be able to vote on this referendum. It is splitting up the United Kingdom therefore all parts of the Kingdom should be involved; English, Welsh and Northern Irish as well as Scottish.

[TommoPhysicist]

I vote yes.

Now how do I ensure my right to a dual English/Scottish nationality with two passports?

Whats the point of it?

Free university education for your children.

Easier rules for immigration.

Different tax system.

Better health care.

Getting away from the current British police state.

Do I need to go on .......

Do you in your wildest Dreams think that Salmond can deliver all of these wishes?

Well yes, when he goes to England for a loan. Remember Greece, Spain, and sure more to come.

How can you have a independent Scotland when so many Scots live in England. Will Scotland keep Scots that are on benefits in England, or will that be all worked out by Salmond.

@Majic

He can't do worse than the current British government.

And how do you define a Scot?

If you are English and move to Scotland, will your pension be frozen.

Will everyone in the UK be given a choice, will it be people who are living there at the time ........... etc.

Edited October 17, 2012 by TommoPhysicist

[Basil B]

Two big questions:

• Who will be able to vote?
  
• And if it happens who will qualify for Scottish nationality?
  

One thing for sure is whatever they do it will be controversial

[Morakot]

I wonder if we have to be resident in Scotland to get a vote

Yes. Edited October 17, 2012 by Morakot

[Morakot]

Two big questions:

• Who will be able to vote?
  
• And if it happens who will qualify for Scottish nationality?
  

One thing for sure is whatever they do it will be controversial

1. Those who legally reside in Scotland (age 16 years or older)
   
2. No decisions have been made on this
   

Edited October 17, 2012 by Morakot

[7by7]

I am just annoyed because Rod Stewart will probably be able to vote and I will probably not - despite the fact that I was born, raised and lived in Scotland all my life until moving to Thailand, and Rod Stewart was born, raised and lived in Highgate, North London before moving to the the USA.

If Rod Stewart lives in the USA, he will not be able to vote. Only eligible residents of Scotland will be.

That is anyone on the electoral roll on Scotland plus 16 and 17 year olds resident in Scotland who register.

[dean999]

If Scotland get there independance, it could be a big blow to are security. Here's a snip-it from my local newspaper.

"It came as former First Sea Lord Admiral Lord West, an ex-commander of a Devonport-based ship, warned Scottish independence could lead the UK to give up its nuclear deterrent altogether, because the cost of replicating the facilities would be too great."

http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/plans-subs-Scotland/story-15096241-detail/story.html

[KKvampire]

The level of anti-English behaviour and attitudes in Scotland today shocks even Scottish born and bred locals.

If the English were given the chance of a referendum Scotland would be independent tomorrow....

Yes ,and Scotland benefited a massive amount over many years with government money invested there many times more than it should have been entitled to based on its population,but nationalist part of the country still winge about the union.If they want to play alông with Salmonds game let them carry on,

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[TommoPhysicist]

If Scotland get there independance, it could be a big blow to are security. Here's a snip-it from my local newspaper.

"It came as former First Sea Lord Admiral Lord West, an ex-commander of a Devonport-based ship, warned Scottish independence could lead the UK to give up its nuclear deterrent altogether, because the cost of replicating the facilities would be too great."

http://www.thisisply...tail/story.html

Another good reason to vote 'yes', the UK doesn't need nukes.

[KKvampire]

If Scotland get there independance, it could be a big blow to are security. Here's a snip-it from my local newspaper.

"It came as former First Sea Lord Admiral Lord West, an ex-commander of a Devonport-based ship, warned Scottish independence could lead the UK to give up its nuclear deterrent altogether, because the cost of replicating the facilities would be too great."

http://www.thisisply...tail/story.html

Another good reason to vote 'yes', the UK doesn't need nukes.

Really? Let some terrorist state blackmail the UK? Your sort lost that argument with CND in the 1980s , The British people(if not the scots) will always support an independent nuclear deterrent

[Baerboxer]

I wonder if we have to be resident in Scotland to get a vote - I want independence.

And what do you you think independence will give you? Get real.

[Baerboxer]

If Scotland get there independance, it could be a big blow to are security. Here's a snip-it from my local newspaper.

"It came as former First Sea Lord Admiral Lord West, an ex-commander of a Devonport-based ship, warned Scottish independence could lead the UK to give up its nuclear deterrent altogether, because the cost of replicating the facilities would be too great."

http://www.thisisply...tail/story.html

Another good reason to vote 'yes', the UK doesn't need nukes.

It does if it wants to be able to protect its world interests. Or do you prefer the UK to break up and hope all the future issues that need facing will be settled by nice discussions? The lack of reality and credibility is astonishing.

Edited October 17, 2012 by Baerboxer

[Baerboxer]

I vote yes.

Now how do I ensure my right to a dual English/Scottish nationality with two passports?

Whats the point of it?

Free university education for your children.

Easier rules for immigration.

Different tax system.

Better health care.

Getting away from the current British police state.

Do I need to go on .......

Do you in your wildest Dreams think that Salmond can deliver all of these wishes?

Well yes, when he goes to England for a loan. Remember Greece, Spain, and sure more to come.

How can you have a independent Scotland when so many Scots live in England. Will Scotland keep Scots that are on benefits in England, or will that be all worked out by Salmond.

@Majic

He can't do worse than the current British government.

And how do you define a Scot?

If you are English and move to Scotland, will your pension be frozen.

Will everyone in the UK be given a choice, will it be people who are living there at the time ........... etc.

The current UK government might not be the best or brightest but I assure you Alex Salmond could do a lot lot worse.

[Baerboxer]

Not only the Scottish should be able to vote on this referendum. It is splitting up the United Kingdom therefore all parts of the Kingdom should be involved; English, Welsh and Northern Irish as well as Scottish.

Absolutely agree with you. Why should the small population of Scotland be allowed to decide something for the whole of the UK? This should be a UK wide referendum.

[Baerboxer]

I vote yes.

Now how do I ensure my right to a dual English/Scottish nationality with two passports?

Whats the point of it?

Free university education for your children.

Easier rules for immigration.

Different tax system.

Better health care.

Getting away from the current British police state.

Do I need to go on .......

Do you in your wildest Dreams think that Salmond can deliver all of these wishes?

Well yes, when he goes to England for a loan. Remember Greece, Spain, and sure more to come.

How can you have a independent Scotland when so many Scots live in England. Will Scotland keep Scots that are on benefits in England, or will that be all worked out by Salmond.

You can be sure of one thing Salmond doesn't come to the negotiating table, only the free Banquet table!

If Salmond gets his dream of an independent Scotland he must remember that, as a new country he will have to apply to join the EU, should he so wish; and demonstrate he can meet the appropriate financial requirements etc.

[MAJIC]

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I vote yes.

Now how do I ensure my right to a dual English/Scottish nationality with two passports?

Whats the point of it?

Free university education for your children.

Easier rules for immigration.

Different tax system.

Better health care.

Getting away from the current British police state.

Do I need to go on .......

Do you in your wildest Dreams think that Salmond can deliver all of these wishes?

Well yes, when he goes to England for a loan. Remember Greece, Spain, and sure more to come.

How can you have a independent Scotland when so many Scots live in England. Will Scotland keep Scots that are on benefits in England, or will that be all worked out by Salmond.

You can be sure of one thing Salmond doesn't come to the negotiating table, only the free Banquet table!

"If Salmond gets his dream of an independent Scotland he must remember that, as a new country he will have to apply to join the EU, should he so wish; and demonstrate he can meet the appropriate financial requirements etc."

Or have another Referendum to see if the Scottish people want to rejoin,and there are many other things to resolve before the Referendum in 2014, I'm sure there will be a lot of trade offs during the next 2 years.

Edited October 17, 2012 by MAJIC

[folium]

The level of anti-English behaviour and attitudes in Scotland today shocks even Scottish born and bred locals.

If the English were given the chance of a referendum Scotland would be independent tomorrow....

The Scots have always (at least for the last 30-40yrs) complained that the union of 1707 was not voted on by the then majority

Of Scots, but by a small number of land owners and rich business people,and I think this is a good point. However they never mention that the majority of the English,also never had the opportunity to vote on the Union,again it was the English

land owners and the rich business people who voted on their behalf.

In around 1997 the Scots where given a referendum on changing the terms of the union, no referendum was offered to the English.

Come 2014 the Scots people as a whole will vote on separation,again the English are denied the opportunity to vote on this issue,even though there is a larger % of the English who want the separation,according to opinion polls carried out over recent years.

Yet it may be that the English will get their wish by being very clever,you see this agreement was not drawn up by Alex Salmond, but by one of his deputies

A Yorkshire lass called Nicola Sturgeon,in fact if you look up the SNP members in the Scottish parliament and the London

Parliament you will find a number of them who are not really Scottish.

My worry is if in 2014 the Scottish electorate reject the yes vote, what will then happen, will the SNP in say 20 yrs, again demand a vote,they certainly will not be able to put forward the case that the whole electorate was not involved as in 1707.

Indeed, the original Acts of Union in 1706/07 were largely put in place to bail out the well connected if financially naive who had been bankrupted by the Darien Scheme, Scotland's last shot at national aggrandisement.

The average Scottish peon barely had a look in electorally till 1918, and if they were born with the perceived misfortune of being female, without property and under 30, had to wait until 1928 for true universal suffrage.

[folium]

I am just annoyed because Rod Stewart will probably be able to vote and I will probably not - despite the fact that I was born, raised and lived in Scotland all my life until moving to Thailand, and Rod Stewart was born, raised and lived in Highgate, North London before moving to the the USA.

If Rod Stewart lives in the USA, he will not be able to vote. Only eligible residents of Scotland will be.

That is anyone on the electoral roll on Scotland plus 16 and 17 year olds resident in Scotland who register.

So the joke is that someone who has been resident in Scotland for 2/3 or whatever years as proscribed, gets to vote on independence but the same person may not qualify as a Scottish citizen once independence is achieved? Meanwhile the sons and daughters of Scotland due to their non resident status get no vote but later a blue passport with an inscribed thistle? Amazing Scotland.....

Meanwhile most English and certainly all non Labour voters would have shot of the Scots tomorrow.

Edited October 17, 2012 by folium

[folium]

Not only the Scottish should be able to vote on this referendum. It is splitting up the United Kingdom therefore all parts of the Kingdom should be involved; English, Welsh and Northern Irish as well as Scottish.

Absolutely agree with you. Why should the small population of Scotland be allowed to decide something for the whole of the UK? This should be a UK wide referendum.

Sure, but about as much chance as a UK wide decision on Scottish independence as a genuine, "unguided" vote for all citizens of Thailand.....

[smokie36]

<snip> So you want all the rights of being British but none of the responsibilities! I'm not surprised.

Apologies for snipping your post 7by7 but that is a comment I feel a reply should be made as in my opinion its the right to make our own decisions and take responsibility for our failures which leads me to believe 100% in Scottish independence.

It will prove a rocky road and a difficult transition for many in our country but its the right one as our philosophy on how a country should run is fundamentally different to England.

There is much common ground however and we should remain close partners in many areas but in terms of government and funding separate.

[GentlemanJim]

<snip> So you want all the rights of being British but none of the responsibilities! I'm not surprised.

Apologies for snipping your post 7by7 but that is a comment I feel a reply should be made as in my opinion its the right to make our own decisions and take responsibility for our failures which leads me to believe 100% in Scottish independence.

It will prove a rocky road and a difficult transition for many in our country but its the right one as our philosophy on how a country should run is fundamentally different to England.

There is much common ground however and we should remain close partners in many areas but in terms of government and funding separate.

I am a Scot. Regardless of what happened hundreds of years ago and no matter how many times I watch braveheart it is just NOT that simple. At the moment the Scottish Government have got the best of all worlds. They rake in cash from Westminster, they are even allowed to vote on parliamentary bills in Westminster, yet MP's holding an 'English' seat cannot vote in the Scottish assembly. What philosophy of running the country are you talking of? Scotland has its own parliament and runs itself more or less as it chooses and it is paid for by Westminster.

How do you just hand over the oil fields?

Are we also just supposed to leave all military hardware in Scotland? Every time a military base closes in Scotland it DEVASTATES the local communities and towns. Losses of hundreds of jobs, the loss of 3000 servicemen spending money in the local towns, 1000 children in the local schools. What this agreement to referendum will do is send a clear signal to defence planners every time there is a defence review to close more Scottish bases. You watch the Military in Scotland slashed next year!

you can only have free Universities if you have a country capable of financially supporting itself. How will Scotland have better health care? There will be no wedges of cash coming from Westminster?

Will they lock the Queen out of Balmoral?

Pensions, child allowance, social security the inevitable 'refugee's from other European countries living in scotland that will move south of the border to continue getting social security payments under European Law, housing TAX, blah blah blah.

From an entire socioeconomic point of view it is an absolute non starter and the fact that it is considered as an option is simply amazing. The world has changed A LOT in the last 800 years and this somehow romantic idea of crowning a new King on the stone of scone is all complete and utter story book twaddle. Cameron has just given Salmond enough rope to hang himself, and Salmond must wander around in a permanent state of intoxication (do they have ear medicine in Scotland) if on a day to day basis he considers this viable.

And hey lets take children, kids who are too young to get a driving licence and to drink or buy a pack of cigarettes, or get employment in most places now....let them vote on the future of the nation and all the socio economic problems that WILL follow. What will Salmond do, show Braveheart on primetime TV every week for the next two years to convince them? He will be wandering in to parliament with blue paint on his frigging face soon punching the air screaming 'Freeeeeeedom'.

The whole idea is romantic madness and the novelty would soon wear off when someone does the maths and realises there is not enough money coming in the coffers and then the subsequent break down in society, still the English could look forward to a huge tax cut not having to pay for millions of people North of the border. In answer to the question in the line we all sing "Oh Flower of Scotland...when will we see..your like again'....the answer is guys never! This should not even have got this far. From a purely objective point of view, if Salmond has engineered this to try and broker more money from Westminster then westminster should say 'ram it', hold your referendum and be damned.

So at least one Scot thinks it's madness.

[TruthEyes]

I work with a couple of Scottish people who are both Christians.

They tell me that they fear being marginalised under a Scottish Nationalist Government run by Alex Salmond.

Edited October 17, 2012 by TruthEyes

[GentlemanJim]

I work with a couple of Scottish people who are both Christians.

They tell me that they fear being marginalised under a Scottish Nationalist Government run by Alex Salmond.

They really told you that? What is Salmond a bit of a satanist or maybe like something off the Wickerman. You are telling me all those Catholics and Protestants, Anglicans, Baptists and Masons are going to allow themselves to be marginalized? They are obviously not working in Scotland so why are they worried?

[StreetCowboy]

I work with a couple of Scottish people who are both Christians.

They tell me that they fear being marginalised under a Scottish Nationalist Government run by Alex Salmond.

They really told you that? What is Salmond a bit of a satanist or maybe like something off the Wickerman. You are telling me all those Catholics and Protestants, Anglicans, Baptists and Masons are going to allow themselves to be marginalized? They are obviously not working in Scotland so why are they worried?

Maybe he meant the country as a whole, and th religion was an irrelevant aside

Edited October 17, 2012 by StreetCowboy

[GentlemanJim]

I work with a couple of Scottish people who are both Christians.

They tell me that they fear being marginalised under a Scottish Nationalist Government run by Alex Salmond.

They really told you that? What is Salmond a bit of a satanist or maybe like something off the Wickerman. You are telling me all those Catholics and Protestants, Anglicans, Baptists and Masons are going to allow themselves to be marginalized? They are obviously not working in Scotland so why are they worried?

Maybe he met the country as a whole, and th religion was an irrelevant aside

Possibly, but he seems to make a point of the religious stuff. Why mention Christians and Nationalists. I think he would have just said 'I work with two scottish people who are concerned.......' I am sure he will grace us with an answer at some point

[pbeieio]

I think you would get an overwhelming vote in favor of Scottish independence if you held the referendum in England and asked the English!

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[baboon]

I think you would get an overwhelming vote in favor of Scottish independence if you held the referendum in England and asked the English!

...Until they actually sat down and thought about it for a moment. Thw breakup of the USSR was hardly a triumph for it`s peoples in the cold light of day, was it?

[Keesters]

Not only the Scottish should be able to vote on this referendum. It is splitting up the United Kingdom therefore all parts of the Kingdom should be involved; English, Welsh and Northern Irish as well as Scottish.

Absolutely agree with you. Why should the small population of Scotland be allowed to decide something for the whole of the UK? This should be a UK wide referendum.

Sure, but about as much chance as a UK wide decision on Scottish independence as a genuine, "unguided" vote for all citizens of Thailand.....

But one can dream can't they. We're not all apathetic.