sriracha john Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 This thing about no protests at the plaza is a load...Truck drivers have used it. Why was it allowed last time on Feb 4th then? And last but not least, let's not forget Thaksin's new propaganda tool, the taxi drivers who have also used the plaza for their own protest in the past! Yes, the PM is talking out of his non-oral orifice. Many, many others, as well, have used the same plaza for rallies or meetings, including Thaksin on several occasions. Others include: Hundreds of farmers gather to demand help with debts Date:Oct 25,2005 Nearly 1,000 farmers gathered at the Royal Plaza yesterday morning to demand that the government honour its pledge to tackle farmers’ debts. Teachers vow to stage mass protest Date:Nov 16,2005 Educator’s plan to petition latest review results. Disgruntled teachers yesterday vowed to stage a massive rally at the Royal Plaza on Saturday after the Cabinet failed to consider their demand for decentralisation laws to be changed. Monks rally for new governing law Date:Nov 23,2001 A group of about a thousand Buddhist monks and disciples staged a rally at the Royal Plaza yesterday to urge the administration to rush its draft bill covering the governance of Buddhist affairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 (edited) Me thinks.....this Saturday's protest, if it manages to find a venue, will bring about swift retribution for some of those brave citizens who attended last Saturday's rally.Thaksin definitely over-reacted to events last week......expect arrests this Saturday....at the very least.....I'll still be going...... ......please no patronizing comments from other members....have heard them a thousand times before! well, well... I was going to start off this reply saying that it should prove most interesting as Sodhi had insisted on holding the rally at Royal Plaza again, despite the government's ban.... but then, after reading the late night news, came across this: Anti-Thaksin rally at Royal Plaza allowed (TNA) - The government has softened its stance, announced on Wednesday that it would allow the next-round of anti-Thaksin demonstration to be organized at the Royal Plaza if the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration (BMA) and the Metropolitan Police Division give the green light. Government Spokesman Surapong Suebwonglee said if the two agencies which oversee metropolitan areas allow the demonstration to take place at the Royal Plaza, the government would have no objection. "Any demonstration at the Royal Plaza in which loud speakers are used is required to ask for a permission from the BMA and the Metropolitan Police Division, as the area is in the compound of two Royal Palace--the Dusit and Amporn Palaces," he noted. Asked why the government changes its stance, as Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra earlier vowed that the government would no longer allow such the demonstration to be organized at the Royal Plaza--after the previous one on February 4, Dr. Surapong said the government earlier wanted the rally to take place at other places considered more suitable, like Sanam Luang, but later learned that there would be events and exhibitions marking the Makha Bucha Day during the period. Dr. Surapong's remarks followed a confirmation by media mogul Sondhi Limthongkul, who led the anti-Thaksin rally at the Royal Plaza last Saturday, that the next rally would be carried on at the Royal Plaza on February 11 as planned. He said, however, that the alliance for democracy would lead the next rally, not him, adding that he would certainly attend the rally as a "participant". Mr. Sondhi said as well that he is ready to meet the prime minister at any public place or on a TV programme and wants the prime minister to clear himself with questions he would raise. The prime minister wants Mr. Sondhi to meet him at the Government House, according to Dr. Surapong. ----------------------------------------------- if this was a staring contest, the PM blinked first. ====================================================== Honsestly, I think that most of the pro-Thaksin dogma on this site had eminated from either people deliberately opining obstreperous viewpoints to provoke a reaction; people that haven't understood the gravity of the situation; or farang that have a vested interest in the pervasion of Thaksinomics - "please don't rock the boat people - I really don't care about what is good for the country - I just care about my cushy well paid job with driver, maid, etc, etc..."You get the point... The only thing I recall from watching it on the telly was one of the moonbat speakers claimed Taksin was the worst PM Thailand has ever had in history! Thanks for proving jezchester's point so well, BM.... excellent example... The only question is... which of the three categories do you fall into? Edited February 8, 2006 by sriracha john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 I suspect that, even if any newspapers were available to buy in my village, the villagers would prefer to buy food with their small incomes. Local distribution is by motorbike to your home, from the nearby town, if you have the money to pay & the interest to purchase. Country people get their news from the TV, which is free , and hence the censorship/bias/ownership of the TV-channels is critically important to any Thai government. Which was why Sondhi got his corruption-exposing programs banned, in the first place, isn't it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshbags Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 (edited) If you want to see Thais changing in responsible citizens taking active interest and participation in their country's affairs you are in for a big disapointment.You need lots of patience to see any signs of progress here. Feb 4 was a big day, but not big enough. But it is an important start.. It,s o.k. using our educated logic to get to the present situation. You have to realize most Thais are not educated to our standards. To give credit to the lesser educated under priviledged Thai citizens you must realize that unfortunately they are at the present time in a no win situation. They are poor and are dependant on any sort of financial help to support their families. When the so called priviledged citizens want anything all they have to do is offer money are materials that are essential to survive when your income is either low or non existant to get a large part of the 18,000,000 votes being quoted by F***S**N The majority of poor people do not have the means to go to school due to trying to survive and earning money is the no. one priority. Only now are families starting to make sacrifices to get some sort of free education and it will take years for this to have any sort of influence on todays ruling class. Let,s not start making smug comments about things being a waste of time and a big disappointment and do remember the class system here. It is all to easy for the pu yai to buy there priviledges and positions due to the above basics and many others. Again these are some of my humble opinions and I have witnessed so many sad actions of people in positions of power who abuse the less well off on a daily basis. The day will come when the majority will be in a position to give these scum there day of reckoning. Regarding F***S**N and his cronies I visualize a cobra in trapped position and we must all be wary and on guard for what may be about to come. On an ongoing basis, and do not be sucked into a false sense of security, most of the present government is rotten to the core from where I,m observing the present situation. May the honest Thai citizens get there true democratic rights they truly deserve. This is but the beginning and will continue in many directions. marshbags Edited February 9, 2006 by marshbags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chownah Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 EDITORIAL: Media blackout fails to hide truth Published on Feb 6, 2006 Nation State-controlled television and radio networks totally ignored what was happening on Saturday and early Sunday at the Royal Plaza. People throughout the country who tuned in to their televisions and radios as the biggest mass demonstration in over a decade took place were kept in the dark. When they did briefly mention the anti-Thaksin rally, they also engaged in shameless misinformation by grossly underreporting the number of protesters. On the other hand, Thaksin was given all the airtime he required to promote himself, rebut accusations and even insult people who dare to challenge his leadership or simply disagree with him. Thaksin’s weekly radio broadcast was repeatedly aired on state TV and radio stations several times throughout the day. The exception was the handful of community radio stations which bravely provided live terrestrial broadcast to their radio listeners in Bangkok areas covered by their limited transmission power, in addition to internet-based and satellite TV and radio stations. It was obvious that the Thaksin administration was terrified of what looked like the beginning of a sustained mass movement against his leadership. Such tight control of state media for self-serving propaganda purposes is reminiscent of the corrupt military regimes of oldt, which had no respect for civil liberties but had everything to fear from people finding out the truth about their misdeeds. In hindsight, it has become clear that Thaksin is a monster of Thai people’s own making. They allowed themselves to first fall for the populist policies and handed over an unprecedented parliamentary majority to Thaksin, giving him virtual absolute power. The prime minister, who has unparalleled power of patronage in Thai politics, has gone on to weaken the rules of the law, undermine Constitutionally-appointed watchdog agencies and rule-making bodies, suppress press freedom and about-face civil liberties. Which has in turn led to alleged policy corruption, under which every conceivable rule has been bent to maximise the selfish gain of a handful of people at the expense of the rest of the society. Thaksin’s underhand reaction to the growing public discontent regarding his alleged misrule tells us more about his insecurity than his supposed strength. Me thinks.....this Saturday's protest, if it manages to find a venue, will bring about swift retribution for some of those brave citizens who attended last Saturday's rally. Thaksin definitely over-reacted to events last week......expect arrests this Saturday....at the very least.....I'll still be going...... ......please no patronizing comments from other members....have heard them a thousand times before! I'm with you on that! Honsestly, I think that most of the pro-Thaksin dogma on this site had eminated from either people deliberately opining obstreperous viewpoints to provoke a reaction; people that haven't understood the gravity of the situation; or farang that have a vested interest in the pervasion of Thaksinomics - "please don't rock the boat people - I really don't care about what is good for the country - I just care about my cushy well paid job with driver, maid, etc, etc..." You get the point... I haven't noticed much pro Toxin dogma on this site....can you point some out for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heng Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 And if enough believe that, then hopefully future administrations won't have to deal in handouts at all. These handouts can be redirected to where they have always been, directly into the hands of the elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chownah Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 I suspect that, even if any newspapers were available to buy in my village, the villagers would prefer to buy food with their small incomes. Local distribution is by motorbike to your home, from the nearby town, if you have the money to pay & the interest to purchase.Country people get their news from the TV, which is free , and hence the censorship/bias/ownership of the TV-channels is critically important to any Thai government. Which was why Sondhi got his corruption-exposing programs banned, in the first place, isn't it ? There are desperately poor people in Thailand to be sure....but I do not think that people should start to think that the bulk of village life is dire poverty. I would say that villagers would rather buy whiskey than a newpaper....don't worry about food because Thailand is half farmers and Thai farmers need never worry about food. Even very poor people often have adequate nutrition here....don't make the mistake that there are alot of poor people starving in Thailand. Thai people have evolved a culture that is especially well adapted at taking whatever is available in nature and creating wonderful meals from it. Another post was suggesting that there are alot of people in Thailand who are too poor to go to school...I think this is not correct. The percentage of school attendance is extremely high in Thailand from what I've heard (maybe what I've heard is wrong). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuchok Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 From one Thai persons perspective...the missus "Why is Sondhi doing this?? The father of our country (The King) is old and dosn't need problems like this." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai Dee Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 Discussion and news updates on the next anti-Thaksin rally continues in this thread. /Closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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