Bmw X1

[thaicruze]

[surely the 875:10100 ratio has statistical significance, comparing to the price ratio and the volume sold ratio.

10,100 what? Have you actually LOOKED at the hits when you type that in?

There are thousands of hits that are websties saying "Problems with your Cruze? Ask a Question here", and the site is blank full of adverts. It may be that only a few of those 10,100 hits are actual problems being stated and it may be that all 875 hits for the X1 actually ARE X1 problems. Maybe out of the 10,100 hits, only 500 are actual Cruze problems and the rest are nothing. Being a more popular car there are millions of websites devoted to it. X1 not so much.

Chevrolet sells millions of cars. BMW sells thousands of cars.

If you sell hundreds of thousands of Cruzes and only get 10,000 hits of "problems" (most of the hits are god knows what), then you're doing good. If you sold 1,000 X1s and you get 875 hits on Google of "Problems" you're not doing so well are you?

You're still not addressing the issue here which is that the X1 is cheap plastic shit being sold for a luxury price. THAT'S the issue.

BMW X1 September TOTAL WORLDWIDE sales = 16,661 cars sold

Chevy Cruze September sales IN THE USA ONLY = 25,787 cars sold

Which, yet again, puts the Chevy Cruze as the BEST SELLING car in the USA.

It's amaxing the X1 is selling that well, but it isn't at the same time, because it's a CHEAP car (by BMW standards). $40,000 bucks at the most for an X1. Only here in Thailand you pay $70,000 for that shit.

Edited October 29, 2012 by thaicruze

[Payboy]

[surely the 875:10100 ratio has statistical significance, comparing to the price ratio and the volume sold ratio.

10,100 what? Have you actually LOOKED at the hits when you type that in?

There are thousands of hits that are websties saying "Problems with your Cruze? Ask a Question here", and the site is blank full of adverts. It may be that only a few of those 10,100 hits are actual problems being stated and it may be that all 875 hits for the X1 actually ARE X1 problems. Maybe out of the 10,100 hits, only 500 are actual Cruze problems and the rest are nothing. Being a more popular car there are millions of websites devoted to it. X1 not so much.

Chevrolet sells millions of cars. BMW sells thousands of cars.

If you sell hundreds of thousands of Cruzes and only get 10,000 hits of "problems" (most of the hits are god knows what), then you're doing good. If you sold 1,000 X1s and you get 875 hits on Google of "Problems" you're not doing so well are you?

You're still not addressing the issue here which is that the X1 is cheap plastic shit being sold for a luxury price. THAT'S the issue.

BMW X1 September TOTAL WORLDWIDE sales = 16,661 cars sold

Chevy Cruze September sales IN THE USA ONLY = 25,787 cars sold

Which, yet again, puts the Chevy Cruze as the BEST SELLING car in the USA.

It's amaxing the X1 is selling that well, but it isn't at the same time, because it's a CHEAP car (by BMW standards). $40,000 bucks at the most for an X1. Only here in Thailand you pay $70,000 for that shit.

So how many of the 875 problem hits for the BMW X1 are also duds?

Edited October 29, 2012 by Payboy

[IMHO]

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[mogandave]

While I personally would find it difficult to pony up $60K for a car that sells for $30K in the US, I do not fault others that might want to, more power to them. I saw a guy pulling out of Terminal 21 in a red Ferrari this past Sunday, not my thing, good for him.

The fact is, once it is legally in Thailand, it’s not a $30K car, it’s a $60K car, if you don’t want it, don’t buy it, but why this need for some people here to constantly attempt to rain on someone else’s parade.

I grew up in Southern California, and this reminds me of people moving out and living in the sticks bragging about how much more house they could afford. Of course when you start talking about the two-hour commute or the cost of fuel, they always want to change the subject. It all about location, nicer cars cost more in Thailand, if you want one, you have to spend the money.

Edited October 29, 2012 by metisdead
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[Will27]

Thaicruze,

I (surprisingly) agree with a lot of what you've said on this thread.

Although I think there are better ways of getting your point across.

I think that the top of the range Focus models for just over 1 million

Baht represent excellent value.

Back in Oz, I had a few VW Golf's, GTI and VR6 which I loved. Would

love to have one again but they're just way over priced here.

so I think if you're after a hatch, you can't go wrong with Mazda, Ford

and Honda etc for the price.

The thing with the Beemers and other European cars is that you're paying

a lot of extra Baht for the name.

But hey, if you've got money to burn, go for it I say.

Regards

Will

[mogandave]

People afford what they want. I have $10K worth of fishing gear that my buddy with a $12K watch thinks is stupid. I don't wear a watch.

[thaicruze]

While I personally would find it difficult to pony up $60K for a car that sells for $30K in the US, I do not fault others that might want to, more power to them. I saw a guy pulling out of Terminal 21 in a red Ferrari this past Sunday, not my thing, good for him.

The fact is, once it is legally in Thailand, it’s not a $30K car, it’s a $60K car, if you don’t want it, don’t buy it, but why this need for some people here to constantly attempt to rain on someone else’s parade.

I grew up in Southern California, and this reminds me of people moving out and living in the sticks bragging about how much more house they could afford. Of course when you start talking about the two-hour commute or the cost of fuel, they always want to change the subject. It all about location, nicer cars cost more in Thailand, if you want one, you have to spend the money.

I get what you're saying but I disagree that just because its built here its magically now a 60-$70,000 car. It is the same $40,000 car, just marked up a lot. Same quality. The quality didn't change, just the price changed. $40,000 and $75,000 that, in the USA, gets you 2 different cars in 2 different leagues. But just because a $40,000 car is sold here for $75,000 that doesn't make it a $75,000 car.

[thaicruze]

Thaicruze,

I (surprisingly) agree with a lot of what you've said on this thread.

Although I think there are better ways of getting your point across.

I think that the top of the range Focus models for just over 1 million

Baht represent excellent value.

Back in Oz, I had a few VW Golf's, GTI and VR6 which I loved. Would

love to have one again but they're just way over priced here.

so I think if you're after a hatch, you can't go wrong with Mazda, Ford

and Honda etc for the price.

The thing with the Beemers and other European cars is that you're paying

a lot of extra Baht for the name.

But hey, if you've got money to burn, go for it I say.

Regards

Will

If I had the dough I would go for a real luxury car ad really overpay instead of getting an X1 for a Luxury car price. Maybe if the X1 was a great car, but it's not even that.

I think the top Focus Titanium/Sport+ or whatever they call it is the best value for a car (if you have the money) and 1 million baht is a LOT of money.

For a big SUV, I'm not quite sure. Maybe a Pajero Sport if you can afford the diesel.

Crossover is not really something that's available here at a decent price. Maybe that's why the Captiva is selling well. It's not a CRV but not as big as a Pajero.

Unless you have 4 kids and a dog, why get a big SUV?

I'd say, if you have 2 million to burn, best value is the Focus. Instead of getting the cheapest car of one company, you can get the top of the line car of another AND save 1 million baht.

As far as the X1. Have you ever sat inside one? 1.2, sure, 2+ million, no way. It really didn't feel any more premium than an LTZ Cruze or a Focus Sport. It didn't feel any bigger than my Cruze. Actually I was dissapoited. The rear seats are really uncomfortable. It's deceptive. Looks like one thing outside and feels like another inside.

I've never driven one, but the reviews don't seem really impressive.

Edited October 29, 2012 by thaicruze

[Woodsie888]

While I personally would find it difficult to pony up $60K for a car that sells for $30K in the US, I do not fault others that might want to, more power to them. I saw a guy pulling out of Terminal 21 in a red Ferrari this past Sunday, not my thing, good for him.

The fact is, once it is legally in Thailand, it's not a $30K car, it's a $60K car, if you don't want it, don't buy it, but why this need for some people here to constantly attempt to rain on someone else's parade.

I grew up in Southern California, and this reminds me of people moving out and living in the sticks bragging about how much more house they could afford. Of course when you start talking about the two-hour commute or the cost of fuel, they always want to change the subject. It all about location, nicer cars cost more in Thailand, if you want one, you have to spend the money.

I get what you're saying but I disagree that just because its built here its magically now a 60-$70,000 car. It is the same $40,000 car, just marked up a lot. Same quality. The quality didn't change, just the price changed. $40,000 and $75,000 that, in the USA, gets you 2 different cars in 2 different leagues. But just because a $40,000 car is sold here for $75,000 that doesn't make it a $75,000 car.

Sadly, I don't believe you 'get anything'.

Do you not understand the reason vehicles in this country are expensive?

You keep ranting about 'marked up a lot'.

You speak total rubbish on this subject.

Maybe you're a really nice guy, though you do have a knack of drawing an abnormal number of negative responses to your posts.

Edited October 29, 2012 by Woodsie888

[mogandave]

While I personally would find it difficult to pony up $60K for a car that sells for $30K in the US, I do not fault others that might want to, more power to them. I saw a guy pulling out of Terminal 21 in a red Ferrari this past Sunday, not my thing, good for him.

The fact is, once it is legally in Thailand, it's not a $30K car, it's a $60K car, if you don't want it, don't buy it, but why this need for some people here to constantly attempt to rain on someone else's parade.

I grew up in Southern California, and this reminds me of people moving out and living in the sticks bragging about how much more house they could afford. Of course when you start talking about the two-hour commute or the cost of fuel, they always want to change the subject. It all about location, nicer cars cost more in Thailand, if you want one, you have to spend the money.

I get what you're saying but I disagree that just because its built here its magically now a 60-$70,000 car. It is the same $40,000 car, just marked up a lot. Same quality. The quality didn't change, just the price changed. $40,000 and $75,000 that, in the USA, gets you 2 different cars in 2 different leagues. But just because a $40,000 car is sold here for $75,000 that doesn't make it a $75,000 car.

Sadly, I don't believe you 'get anything'.

Do you not understand the reason vehicles in this country are expensive?

You keep ranting about 'marked up a lot'.

You speak total rubbish on this subject.

Maybe you're a really nice guy, though you do have a knack of drawing and abnormal number of negative responses to your posts.

Yeah, I love it when people say: "I know what you mean but...", and then go on to prove they have absolutely on idea what I meant. Guys like that already know everything they ever will.

[Fgis]

So the X1 is trash, but what about the cheapest Benz ?

[thaicruze]

While I personally would find it difficult to pony up $60K for a car that sells for $30K in the US, I do not fault others that might want to, more power to them. I saw a guy pulling out of Terminal 21 in a red Ferrari this past Sunday, not my thing, good for him.

The fact is, once it is legally in Thailand, it's not a $30K car, it's a $60K car, if you don't want it, don't buy it, but why this need for some people here to constantly attempt to rain on someone else's parade.

I grew up in Southern California, and this reminds me of people moving out and living in the sticks bragging about how much more house they could afford. Of course when you start talking about the two-hour commute or the cost of fuel, they always want to change the subject. It all about location, nicer cars cost more in Thailand, if you want one, you have to spend the money.

I get what you're saying but I disagree that just because its built here its magically now a 60-$70,000 car. It is the same $40,000 car, just marked up a lot. Same quality. The quality didn't change, just the price changed. $40,000 and $75,000 that, in the USA, gets you 2 different cars in 2 different leagues. But just because a $40,000 car is sold here for $75,000 that doesn't make it a $75,000 car.

Sadly, I don't believe you 'get anything'.

Do you not understand the reason vehicles in this country are expensive?

You keep ranting about 'marked up a lot'.

You speak total rubbish on this subject.

Maybe you're a really nice guy, though you do have a knack of drawing an abnormal number of negative responses to your posts.

Yes. I understand WHY they're expensive. But you aren't paying $50,000 for a Honda Civic. Every car here is marked up to some degree. Some markups are acceptable, while others are completely unacceptable. Again, because it makes you buy a cheap car for a luxury car price. So in the end, You are NOT getting what you paid for. That's the real issue. it doesnt matter the reason WHY they are marked up. not sure why youre bringing that up. Why - doesnt matter. But you guys STILL don't get that, apparently.

A civic is marked up. But you're still paying for the same caregory of car, with the markup.

A BMW is marked up, but when you buy a bottom of the lot BMW, the cheapest BMW they sell, with the markup you're paying as if you were buying an expensive luxury car. So, you aren't getting what you're paying for.

I've said that many times, then you come back saying that I don't understand WHY the cars are marked up. Like that has anything to do with what I just said. REGARDLESS of WHY they're marked up that doesn't invalidate what I just said.

Edited October 31, 2012 by thaicruze

[thaicruze]

While I personally would find it difficult to pony up $60K for a car that sells for $30K in the US, I do not fault others that might want to, more power to them. I saw a guy pulling out of Terminal 21 in a red Ferrari this past Sunday, not my thing, good for him.

The fact is, once it is legally in Thailand, it's not a $30K car, it's a $60K car, if you don't want it, don't buy it, but why this need for some people here to constantly attempt to rain on someone else's parade.

I grew up in Southern California, and this reminds me of people moving out and living in the sticks bragging about how much more house they could afford. Of course when you start talking about the two-hour commute or the cost of fuel, they always want to change the subject. It all about location, nicer cars cost more in Thailand, if you want one, you have to spend the money.

I get what you're saying but I disagree that just because its built here its magically now a 60-$70,000 car. It is the same $40,000 car, just marked up a lot. Same quality. The quality didn't change, just the price changed. $40,000 and $75,000 that, in the USA, gets you 2 different cars in 2 different leagues. But just because a $40,000 car is sold here for $75,000 that doesn't make it a $75,000 car.

Sadly, I don't believe you 'get anything'.

Do you not understand the reason vehicles in this country are expensive?

You keep ranting about 'marked up a lot'.

You speak total rubbish on this subject.

Maybe you're a really nice guy, though you do have a knack of drawing and abnormal number of negative responses to your posts.

Yeah, I love it when people say: "I know what you mean but...", and then go on to prove they have absolutely on idea what I meant. Guys like that already know everything they ever will.

Because you said something ridiculous. You're saying that a BMW X1 is a 2+ million baht car just because it was assembled in thailand.

I'm bit talking about the price. I'm talking about the car itself. What is the actual quality. What you're REALLY getting. And you AREN'T getting a 2 million + car. You're getting a 1 million baht car, but paying double. We're talking about the actual quality, not the price.

If you're spending 2+ million in a car, wouldn't you want to see every bit of quality that 2+ million can buy you?

I would. So the X1 isn't the car to buy because its not the quality you would get in a 2+ million car. Actually, a top of the line Camry Hybrid would probably come much closer to 2 million actual quality than a BMW X1.

Some say, you pay for the badge. Ok. But then I said if you want 2 million + quality; you need to spend a lot more than that. If you want a BMW. Expect to pay 4+ million. THEN you get the quality you would expect from a luxury car with the Thailand mark up.

If your budget is 2 million, then look elswhere. Not BMW or Mercedes.

Edited October 31, 2012 by thaicruze

[thaicruze]

So the X1 is trash, but what about the cheapest Benz ?

That's the problem though. We're back at the same issue.

You look at the cheapest Benz. The chepest BMW. There's a reason why they're the cheapest. Because they are cheap cars with the Benz or BMW badge. But in thailand you're still paying as if you were buying luxury quality. You aren't getting what you paid for.

If I had 2 million to spend in a car I would want to squeeze out every bit of luxury and quality that 2 million could buy me.

I would probably, because of the ridiculous prices in thailand, end up getting 2 Ford Focus Titaniums. One for me and one for the wife. Probably will get more luxury and options with one of those than with a cheap, bottom of the barrel Benz or BMW.

[ignis]

So the X1 is trash, but what about the cheapest Benz ?

For me, No way, but then for me it would not be what badge was on a car, but looks and all the bells and whistles, so that car with a MB badge would be 4 + million, so way over the top, so to get everything I wanted would go with http://www.one2car.com/HYUNDAI_SONATA/H15120506 ... Top model 'E' class for 1.7 million ?

Everyone is different and has different tastes or we all would be driving the say make and model

[mogandave]

See what I mean?

Yet another exhaustive effort proving you clearly have no idea what I am talking about. Your response also makes it clear your reading compression skills are questionable.

Some people buy things because they like them, they don’t need to do an exhaustive internet study to determine what other people like or what the best value is to make a decision. I wouldn’t drive a Cruise on a bet, but you seem to be pleased with yours, and I think that’s great. Why do you have this need to belittle everyone else’s choice or make out like people are fools for buying things they like?

I have to do a fair amount of cost analysis and justification for work, and I know I can light a cigarette perfectly well with a Zippo, a Bic, or even a match, but the Dupont just felt so good in my hand I bought one. Does that make me a sucker?

[thaicruze]

See what I mean?

Yet another exhaustive effort proving you clearly have no idea what I am talking about. Your response also makes it clear your reading compression skills are questionable.

Some people buy things because they like them, they don’t need to do an exhaustive internet study to determine what other people like or what the best value is to make a decision. I wouldn’t drive a Cruise on a bet, but you seem to be pleased with yours, and I think that’s great. Why do you have this need to belittle everyone else’s choice or make out like people are fools for buying things they like?

I have to do a fair amount of cost analysis and justification for work, and I know I can light a cigarette perfectly well with a Zippo, a Bic, or even a match, but the Dupont just felt so good in my hand I bought one. Does that make me a sucker?

Everything you say, you've said before, and it has nothing to do with what I'm saying.

You want to over pay? Do it. It's your money. You want to pay that much because you like it. Fine. Do it.

It has nothing to do with the fact that the price doesn't reflect the quality of what you are getting. We aren't arguing what you're talking about. Ultimately he will buy whatever he wants to buy.

If he doesn't need an internet study to determine what other people like or what the best value is, then why did he open a thread in an internet forum?

Don't ask anything. Don't open any threads. Go ahead and just buy it.

As far as the lighter, again you are missing my point. The point I am making is, whether you think buying a BIC for a Dupont price is reasonable. That's my point.

Edited November 1, 2012 by thaicruze

[anon210]

See what I mean?

Why do you have this need to belittle everyone else’s choice or make out like people are fools for buying things they like?

I have to do a fair amount of cost analysis and justification for work, and I know I can light a cigarette perfectly well with a Zippo, a Bic, or even a match, but the Dupont just felt so good in my hand I bought one. Does that make me a sucker?

Well, it makes you a victim of marketing.

If someone feels disturbed with the comments of TC, in my view it is because they touch a nerve... If the persons are satisfied with their choice, they need not bother with the opinion of TC or anyone else for that matter. What is it with this need for approval from peers?

True, TC may come across as pesky, but objectively his point is right when it comes to value for money.

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[ignis]

If you want to be different, colour of car will do that

Bangkok

http://www.bangkoksupercar.com/forum/index.php?topic=539.0

http://www.bangkoksupercar.com/forum/index.php?topic=539.0

same colour New VW beetle on red plates went past the other day..

[frankphuket]

I guess value for money is a valid issue with European cars here in Thailand, always was and probably always will. That said, I for one, was in the situation 6 months ago that i wante to replace my old Ford Focus TDCI, good car, but wanted something "nicer". Researched long and hard, keeping all options open and it was a hard decision. There was nothing in the Non-European market which fitted the bill: Sporty, fast, fun and good quality for under 2m! If i would have waited 1 year maybe the GT 86 would come closest, still 0.5m over budget. I looked at C-Class, BMW and Volvo but only the Volvo was for under 2m and with ok spec.....(let's face it, i don't need all the gimmicky things, park assistant, etc....coz I actually learned to drive in Germany...hehe, not Thailand). Loved the interior, great BSI with 5 years but poor resale and not exactly thaaat fun and fast. So, I ended up with a Golf GTI. Would have loved the Peugeot RCZ but over budget. Problem for me with the Japanese is that they are just so boring, there is nothing which triggers my senses with most of the cars....and in the end isn't it all about that? we buy what makes us feel good....and of course because we can!

[thaicruze]

See what I mean?

Why do you have this need to belittle everyone else's choice or make out like people are fools for buying things they like?

I have to do a fair amount of cost analysis and justification for work, and I know I can light a cigarette perfectly well with a Zippo, a Bic, or even a match, but the Dupont just felt so good in my hand I bought one. Does that make me a sucker?

Well, it makes you a victim of marketing.

If someone feels disturbed with the comments of TC, in my view it is because they touch a nerve... If the persons are satisfied with their choice, they need not bother with the opinion of TC or anyone else for that matter. What is it with this need for approval from peers?

True, TC may come across as pesky, but objectively his point is right when it comes to value for money.

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Yes. That's the point. It's simply value for money.

If one feels good about it, then no need to ask in a forum. Go buy it. It is as if they are wanting everyone's approval.

I say, paying Luxury for a non-luxury product is insane. When bits start falling off and that hard plastics start making noise and stuff and the new car small goes away, I wouldn't feel good with the massive X1 payment.

On the other hand, if you pay, say 1.5 million for a Toyota Fortuner, 1.3 for a Pajero Sport, then those cars aren't marked up 3 times their value so you are in fact getting closer "real" value to what you're paying.

In the X1's case, you AREN'T getting what you're paying for. I thought everyone, as a rule of thumb, wants to get what they're paying for.

Then I made the point that, because we are in Thailand and things are in fact marked up a lot, especially with BMW and Mercedes, that you're looking at spending 4+ Million on a car if you really want to get Luxury. In that case I would say, go for it.

But then, they come back saying "don't judge me because it makes me FEEL good that Im driving in a BMW. I don't care about the cost". Fine. Then go get it. What are you doing posting here? The BMW dealer is opened right now. Good luck.

if I didn't care about the cost of the car or my gasoline bill and I wanted a huge car then my choice would be a brand new 2012 Toyota Land Cruiser, fully loaded with TVs in the back. Overpriced? Yes, but back home the real price of a fully loaded Land Cruiser is 2.5 million. I'm paying 4.5 million for it here, but I'm getting Luxury for a Luxury price.

I'll take that and run over your pretty X1 like a Monster Truck show.

Look at a Land Cruiser fully loaded. Go sit inside one. Feel everything inside. THAT is what 2.5 million baht looks and feels like for a truck. Not an X1. The idea is the get as close to what you felt in there for your 2 million.

Edited November 1, 2012 by thaicruze

[thaicruze]

Maybe I'm nuts. Maybe you guys are all rich and your futures are secured. You have retirement money coming in every month and you are set for the rest of your life.

Not me. I want to know exactly where all my money is going and that I'm getting exactly or as close as possible to what I paid for. Cars in Thailand are over priced, yes, but you can get great value for money if you look at the details. The new Focus, the Pajero Sport, the D-Max. I don't think after years and years and beating them up anyone would say "I curse the day I spent 850,000 baht on this D-Max". You'll probably hear them say "Boy,AFTER 200,000 KM, 3 FLOODS, going off road, potholes everywhere, family trips, this D-Max is the best 850,000 baht I ever spent".

Will that be replaced with "I'm a falang in Thailand. Why the hell did I spend all this money on a stupid car. The BMW badges are all falling off. the engine has a loud horrible sound. it smells like a wet dog in here from the last flood and they want to charge me 200,000 baht to fix the engine noise. dam_n the day I bought this crap".

Edited November 1, 2012 by thaicruze

[anon210]

Maybe I'm nuts. Maybe you guys are all rich and your futures are secured. You have retirement money coming in every month and you are set for the rest of your life.

Not me. I want to know exactly where all my money is going and that I'm getting exactly or as close as possible to what I paid for. Cars in Thailand are over priced, yes, but you can get great value for money if you look at the details. The new Focus, the Pajero Sport, the D-Max. I don't think after years and years and beating them up anyone would say "I curse the day I spent 850,000 baht on this D-Max". You'll probably hear them say "Boy,AFTER 200,000 KM, 3 FLOODS, going off road, potholes everywhere, family trips, this D-Max is the best 850,000 baht I ever spent".

Will that be replaced with "I'm a falang in Thailand. Why the hell did I spend all this money on a stupid car. The BMW badges are all falling off. the engine has a loud horrible sound. it smells like a wet dog in here from the last flood and they want to charge me 200,000 baht to fix the engine noise. dam_n the day I bought this crap".

Or they may say: "Blessed be the day I sold the BMW after the expiry of its BIS".

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[funcat]

It's hard to realize the actual price of the car in TH,since they only show the 'total' price,which includes all the taxes already....

If you buy a car in US e.g.,they will list the price of the car plus all the other taxes and charges,including the VAT....here NOT...the price of the X1 is probably not higher than Focus,but the taxes are much bigger...one just have to accept that...

...if you get your fuel at the pump,do you know,what is the 'actual' price of it?...there is nothing that you can do about it...accept,or walk...

[Fgis]

I didnt know that people really buy Hyiunday cars ? :-)

[mogandave]

See what I mean?

Why do you have this need to belittle everyone else's choice or make out like people are fools for buying things they like?

I have to do a fair amount of cost analysis and justification for work, and I know I can light a cigarette perfectly well with a Zippo, a Bic, or even a match, but the Dupont just felt so good in my hand I bought one. Does that make me a sucker?

Well, it makes you a victim of marketing.

If someone feels disturbed with the comments of TC, in my view it is because they touch a nerve... If the persons are satisfied with their choice, they need not bother with the opinion of TC or anyone else for that matter. What is it with this need for approval from peers?

True, TC may come across as pesky, but objectively his point is right when it comes to value for money.

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To be clear, I don’t disagree the BMW is not a great value, but the price is all about location. If it was a $30K car here, you could buy it for $30K here. It is not. I would not buy it, nor would I recommend it to anyone, but if someone likes it and wants to spend the dough, more power to them.

It is no less a value than that $40K Lexus that sells for $100K here or the $50K Mercedes that sells for $150K here. If you want anything more than an econo-box or pick-up here, you have to pay.

It’s like paying $10 for a beer at a ballgame. It’s not a two dollar beer they are selling for ten dollars, it’s a beer at the ballgame. Beer at the ballgame is $10, buy it or don’t. If you don’t like it, get you a six-pack and watch the game on TV.

I’ve had the lighter for thirty years and still enjoy it.

[RAZZELL]

As far as the lighter, again you are missing my point. The point I am making is, whether you think buying a BIC for a Dupont price is reasonable. That's my point.

I think you're missing the point. The prices of BMW's or Mercs in Thailand are the price.

It's absolutely pointless comparing it to how much they are in America.

Another example - A papaya is 20 or 50 baht in Thailand.

In the UK 350.

It's still a papaya

RAZZ

[jbrain]

As far as the lighter, again you are missing my point. The point I am making is, whether you think buying a BIC for a Dupont price is reasonable. That's my point.

I think you're missing the point. The prices of BMW's or Mercs in Thailand are the price.

It's absolutely pointless comparing it to how much they are in America.

Another example - A papaya is 20 or 50 baht in Thailand.

In the UK 350.

It's still a papaya

RAZZ

That X1 is still the same $30,000 car even though they're charging you $65,000++ here. A Papaya is still a Papaya.

You want to pay £350 pounds for a papaya? You're not getting some sort of super papaya. You're getting the same shit Papaya others get for £1.

You're right. A papaya is still a papaya. That's what I've been saying all along.

We are saying the same thing basically. The only difference is that I don't have to convince myself that it's OK that I just paid 2++ million baht for an X1.

I just have to feel bad I paid £17,000 for a Cruze that costs £14,000 in the UK. That's an easier Papaya to swallow for me.

This is about real value vs artificial put on value that isn't in the product. An X1 at over 2 million baht. Where is the 2++ million baht in the car? Point it out to me. Where is that money inside there? It's not there. You're about 1 million short. The rest of the 1 million isn't a value inside the car, it's all on paper.

I agree that you should feel bad about paying 17000 pound for the cruze.

Most people would feel bad if they had paid half of that.

[mjj]

You're all forgetting 1 thing....................the X1 is UGLY!!!

[ignis]

The Cruze in the UK was a flop until they came out with the Estate and 5 door hatchback... now the top model Cruze with the Diesel engine has knocked the Skoda Octavia off top spot, both cost near the same in the UK........ Top model of both in UK is around 850,000 baht....... Here as a saloon the Cruze is 1.2 million, the Skoda 1.99 million

How can one com pair prices in UK or USA with price here ? or for that matter here the bigger Superb cost less then the smaller Octavia

I live here so that is the prices I look at, as I said before if i wanted a 4x4 look BMW would go for a 2nd hand X5 or even a 2009 X3 with plenty of money left over, rather than a new bottom base model new.