Are Western Getting All The Thai Ladies...the Good Ones?

[Berkshire]

Ahahahaha. That was a good one. There is a reason Thai dudes don't get upset about farang men 'stealing' their women, because most of us are taking women that they have no interest in at all. Ask some Thai people, foreigners have a reputation for liking ugly women. Foreigners also tend to get the mentally ill, prostitutes, gold diggers, drug and alcohol addicts, and the unemployable. Even women without those major problems usually have something that Thai men consider undesirable, such as being a single mother or just being unattractive. There are a large number of problem women specifically targeting foreigners, as they are seen as easy marks. Foreigner aren't limited to the left overs, but that is what is throwing themselves at them, and a lot of guys just end up with the first girl to hop in to his bed without quoting a price.

Harsh, but pretty accurate. This article also explains it pretty well: http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/ReadersSubmissions2010/reader5917.htm

It seems the OP has just got off the plane like yesterday and can't seem to remove himself from the bar scene.

[Bangkokhatter]

Ahahahaha. That was a good one. There is a reason Thai dudes don't get upset about farang men 'stealing' their women, because most of us are taking women that they have no interest in at all. Ask some Thai people, foreigners have a reputation for liking ugly women. Foreigners also tend to get the mentally ill, prostitutes, gold diggers, drug and alcohol addicts, and the unemployable. Even women without those major problems usually have something that Thai men consider undesirable, such as being a single mother or just being unattractive. There are a large number of problem women specifically targeting foreigners, as they are seen as easy marks. Foreigner aren't limited to the left overs, but that is what is throwing themselves at them, and a lot of guys just end up with the first girl to hop in to his bed without quoting a price.

Harsh, but pretty accurate. This article also explains it pretty well: http://www.stickmanb.../reader5917.htm

It seems the OP has just got off the plane like yesterday and can't seem to remove himself from the bar scene.

The pair of you must mix in pretty sad circles if you believe this to be true...and you accuse the OP of spending too much time in the bar scene.

Yet another Thai girl thread with most of the replies utter nonesense.

[chiangmaikelly]

If the wenster that you are talking about are older than 40 years old, mostly are involve with prostitutes, but if they are young people like me(25-34) the most of the ones that I know are married to high middle class Thai ladies, that have recived and education abroad(US, Australia, China, Japan, Uk) and mostly they met each other there. In the other hand there is lots of good Thai men out there, but I find that Thai women get crazy about muscles and Thai men ususally don't have much, also many Thai women like white/yellow skin, high noses, green eyes, and curly hair, another important point: the size of your fellow. But Thailand is just like anyother country, there is good and bad guys, we are not better than Thai males, just different

You sure are right about the muscles.

[Om85]

If the wenster that you are talking about are older than 40 years old, mostly are involve with prostitutes, but if they are young people like me(25-34) the most of the ones that I know are married to high middle class Thai ladies, that have recived and education abroad(US, Australia, China, Japan, Uk) and mostly they met each other there. In the other hand there is lots of good Thai men out there, but I find that Thai women get crazy about muscles and Thai men ususally don't have much, also many Thai women like white/yellow skin, high noses, green eyes, and curly hair, another important point: the size of your fellow. But Thailand is just like anyother country, there is good and bad guys, we are not better than Thai males, just different

You sure are right about the muscles.

hahaha, Well that's a litle extreme but all the Thai, japanese and korean gf that I have go crazy about it

[cicinette]

I doubt it. Westerners don't usually set the bar as high for themselves here as they do in their own country when it comes to women. That and their perceptions of beauty are often different that of most Thai men. Combine the two factors and you get guys coming over here thinking the plain jiep prostitute in the bar is attractive and decent enough to wife.

A laughable phenomena but all to common. Not all but many. I've lived here for about 12 years, and I would say maybe 60% of Thai Women married to Western Men met their husbands in or around the sex trade...and I'm probably being generous with my numbers. Oh and that doesn't let the Western women off the hook either, I actually feel worse for the majority of them, many of whom I've seen with their ignorant looking, broke ass, motor bike taxi hubbies in tow.

That being said there is a growing upper echelon of Thai-Western couples who are well matched, and married at each other's level. And Thong Lo eateries and places like K Village are usually a good place too see us.

MMmmmm Can anyone say "After You"?

Oh and that doesn't let the Western women off the hook either, I actually feel worse for the majority of them, many of whom I've seen with their ignorant looking, broke ass, motor bike taxi hubbies in tow.

Thank you but I am fine...I am a female farang and never seen the ignorant looking, broke ass....you are talking about, but I guess that's all a matter of perpective.

[Semper]

All of our friends are Thai/farang mix and none with a bar girl...(well one). They all are former air hostesses or currently still are

Sounds like they are all ThaiVisa members.

Edited October 30, 2012 by Semper

[h90]

Out of all the westerners i know of,

only 2 has a thai gf with bachelor's degree or above, and a job that goes with it,

myself included.

That may work out to be around 3%.

So to answer the question: Nope,

the westerners are typically stuck with prostitutes,

that stay with the westerner in a on-job relation

or the black one, no one else want

[Huayrat]

If the wenster that you are talking about are older than 40 years old, mostly are involve with prostitutes, but if they are young people like me(25-34) the most of the ones that I know are married to high middle class Thai ladies, that have recived and education abroad(US, Australia, China, Japan, Uk) and mostly they met each other there. In the other hand there is lots of good Thai men out there, but I find that Thai women get crazy about muscles and Thai men ususally don't have much, also many Thai women like white/yellow skin, high noses, green eyes, and curly hair, another important point: the size of your fellow. But Thailand is just like anyother country, there is good and bad guys, we are not better than Thai males, just different

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[BigJohnnyBKK]

Say what you gotta say. Did you walk in my shoes here for the last decade? No of course not, so you just pick out little bits and pieces of my comment to be infuriated about while preaching to me about humility. Thats pretty weak.

I agree with the dangers from a practical POV of marrying a sex worker.

However there is nothing inherently wrong with choosing that work and I don't consider it a moral issue and have none of the feelings of disgust you express so graphically, as mentioned elsewhere one of my ex-wives was a professional for a while along with being a uni-degreed nurse and now campaigns for sex-worker's rights and decriminalisation of the industry, so I have a strong basis for my "feelngs".

Think how you feel when you hear a Hindu who still believes strongly because of his religious/cultural programming that people who work in the shoe industry are "untouchable" and immoral, disgusting people. That's how I think most people will read your rant in another decade or few - I hope.

But in any case you're entirely right that I should not have been so judgmental of your intolerance, and my telling other people how to think certainly doesn't demonstrate any humility on my part.

I apologize.

[NaMah]

IIRC there was a coyote/gogo bar called airport,

with quite high circulation of hostesses.

But beer & age has already taken it's toll on me, i have no clue if i remember correctly or not

Does it matter?

Guess it all depends in if you are an African swallow or a European swallow.

Well, unladen for fully erm... laden?

Edited October 30, 2012 by NaMah

[BigJohnnyBKK]

or the black one, no one else want

I've been here too long to get angry about such idiocy - I know it's a common feeling even to the point that darker-skinned Thais apparently feel the same way.

Personally I honestly can't understand how anyone can find an unhealthy pallor to be attractive, people actually harming their health to try to look like a cadaver.

But that's just my own personal aesthetic, which I respect whatever your taste.

But when people generalize about a person's actual worth as a human being on that basis I find it just sad, makes a victim out of the perpetrator as much as the group he scorns.

Oh well, not worth banging my head against that particular wall, turn it around like my mum when people get a female lobster and turn their noses up at the coral, just give a beaming smile and say "Thanks, more for me!"

[Berkshire]

Ahahahaha. That was a good one. There is a reason Thai dudes don't get upset about farang men 'stealing' their women, because most of us are taking women that they have no interest in at all. Ask some Thai people, foreigners have a reputation for liking ugly women. Foreigners also tend to get the mentally ill, prostitutes, gold diggers, drug and alcohol addicts, and the unemployable. Even women without those major problems usually have something that Thai men consider undesirable, such as being a single mother or just being unattractive. There are a large number of problem women specifically targeting foreigners, as they are seen as easy marks. Foreigner aren't limited to the left overs, but that is what is throwing themselves at them, and a lot of guys just end up with the first girl to hop in to his bed without quoting a price.

Harsh, but pretty accurate. This article also explains it pretty well: http://www.stickmanb.../reader5917.htm

It seems the OP has just got off the plane like yesterday and can't seem to remove himself from the bar scene.

The pair of you must mix in pretty sad circles if you believe this to be true...and you accuse the OP of spending too much time in the bar scene.

Yet another Thai girl thread with most of the replies utter nonesense.

Ok ye wise one, how about share with us your opinion on the matter? Do you really think farangs get all the "good ones?" At least have the balls to offer an opinion. And please don't make up a wussy answer like "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" or "yes in some cases and no in others." The answer is out there for all to see.

[HardenedSoul]

Maybe, but you have to have the following, truck load of money,small brain,and be hansom, in that order, for any Thai lady to take interest in You

just my opinion, Regards Worgeordie,

Indeed it is "just your opinion" and, of course, you're prefectly entitled to it but, to my mind, comments like this really do ram home just how utterly clueless some men living in or visiting this country are about women; Thai or otherwise, educated or not.

There are lots of men here with well-educated Thai women. They're not necessiarily rich; they just have something many foreign guys don't.

Namely, a personality.

[transam]

All this ''Thai Degree'' talk is a nonsense.

[chrisinth]

My question would have to be how do you define a "Good Thai lady"?

What are the requirements that would differentiate a Good lady from a Bad one?

Does she have to attend high class restaurants/wine bars?

Does she need to have a degree before she can be classed as Good?

Is it a necessity that she is only seen in brand name gear when she is out in public?

Do these clothes make her attractive or is it natural?

Is she allowed to enjoy herself, or is it better that she is seen to be subservient to the masses?

I'm not sure if the OP has perhaps got the title wrong and it should be ".......the rich ones anyway" instead of the good.

Just an observation from myself; because you are dressed up and seen in an expensive place with a foreigner does not mean anything! Anyone can do it, companies profit by making this service available to lonely men.

Not everything is always what it appears to be............. Don't base fact on casual observation.

[chiangmaikelly]

My question would have to be how do you define a "Good Thai lady"?

What are the requirements that would differentiate a Good lady from a Bad one?

Does she have to attend high class restaurants/wine bars?

Does she need to have a degree before she can be classed as Good?

Is it a necessity that she is only seen in brand name gear when she is out in public?

Do these clothes make her attractive or is it natural?

Is she allowed to enjoy herself, or is it better that she is seen to be subservient to the masses?

I'm not sure if the OP has perhaps got the title wrong and it should be ".......the rich ones anyway" instead of the good.

Just an observation from myself; because you are dressed up and seen in an expensive place with a foreigner does not mean anything! Anyone can do it, companies profit by making this service available to lonely men.

Not everything is always what it appears to be............. Don't base fact on casual observation.

Has there been a thread about this? I think it is a great topic. I think we all know what a bad Thai lady is but what is a good Thai lady? Why don't you start a thread.

[Berkshire]

This is starting to smell like a troll thread. I doubt even the OP believes what he's shoveling. Vspin, come out, come out, wherever you are....

By the way, is this what the OP means by "good ones" ()? Sure is a lot more where that came from.

[Furbie]

Out of all the westerners i know of,

only 2 has a thai gf with bachelor's degree or above, and a job that goes with it,

myself included.

That may work out to be around 3%.

So to answer the question: Nope,

the westerners are typically stuck with prostitutes,

that stay with the westerner in a on-job relation

Speak for yourself:

My Thai GF – MA from the US

My closet friend: Thai wife, MBA from Thailand, top 3 Uni

Close buddy 1: Thai Wife: MA from the UK

Close buddy 2: Thai GF, BA from Thailand

Next Level Circle of Friends:

1: Thai wife, BA from Thailand

2: Thai wife, MBA from Thailand, top 3 Uni

3 and 4: close friends are married to women from other nationalities

5 and 6: dedicated single guys.

Not a BG or uneducated woman in the bunch, all the Thai women employed and earning good money, one has an income that would make most TV members weep with jealousy.

Then again, there is not an uneducated guy in the bunch either – all but one with professional jobs here in Thailand. It’s all about the friends you make and the company you keep.

[TommoPhysicist]

So to answer the question: Nope,

the westerners are typically stuck with prostitutes,

that stay with the westerner in a on-job relation

I wouldn't totally agree with that.

I think the foreigners end up with the women Thai men don't want for whatever reason.

(too old, too many children, previously married, skin too dark, educated above their social position, former sex workers, etc.)

Edited October 30, 2012 by TommoPhysicist

[meadish_sweetball]

Mu.

[poanoi]

I was speaking for myself,

and agree it depends on how you learn to know the woman.

Going to a brothel will not cut it,

it is necessary to meet and interact with them in their profession.

(ok, you will meet woman in their profession in a brothel too, but not same same)

[HardenedSoul]

So to answer the question: Nope,

the westerners are typically stuck with prostitutes,

that stay with the westerner in a on-job relation

I wouldn't totally agree with that.

I think the foreigners end up with the women Thai men don't want for whatever reason.

(too old, too many children, previously married, skin too dark, educated above their social position, former sex workers, etc.)

While some of that is true, I've never agreed with this assertion that Thai men don't find the darker-skinned Thai women attractive. Anyone would think that there are millions of Thai men all pursuing a far smaller group of fair-skinned girls whilst ignoring their darker counterparts. That's just not the case as far as I've seen.

I've seen lots of foreigners - albeit considerably younger than the typical expat - with fair-skinned, business-suited Thai women milling around in Bangkok.

There's another world out there people and although it may remain impenetrable to most of us, the younger, professional foreigner can pretty much enter at will.

[MahaYellow]

The answers to your questions, in a gist are:

1) Yes ... only in your dreams !

2) They cannot.

3) No ... only a handful are, just like people in any country,

Western included.

[metisdead]

Posts containing vulgar derogatory generalizations toward Thai women have been removed as well as some inflammatory posts.

[Semper]

Out of all the westerners i know of,

only 2 has a thai gf with bachelor's degree or above, and a job that goes with it,

myself included.

That may work out to be around 3%.

So to answer the question: Nope,

the westerners are typically stuck with prostitutes,

that stay with the westerner in a on-job relation

Speak for yourself:

My Thai GF – MA from the US

My closet friend: Thai wife, MBA from Thailand, top 3 Uni

Close buddy 1: Thai Wife: MA from the UK

Close buddy 2: Thai GF, BA from Thailand

Next Level Circle of Friends:

1: Thai wife, BA from Thailand

2: Thai wife, MBA from Thailand, top 3 Uni

3 and 4: close friends are married to women from other nationalities

5 and 6: dedicated single guys.

Not a BG or uneducated woman in the bunch, all the Thai women employed and earning good money, one has an income that would make most TV members weep with jealousy.

Then again, there is not an uneducated guy in the bunch either – all but one with professional jobs here in Thailand. It’s all about the friends you make and the company you keep.

What's so special with an "educated Thai gf", MBA, BA, MA etc? And yes, I really envy you because your GF have a MA from the US. BTW, how's her cooking, taking care of children and other household skills?

Edited October 30, 2012 by Semper

[transam]

Out of all the westerners i know of,

only 2 has a thai gf with bachelor's degree or above, and a job that goes with it,

myself included.

That may work out to be around 3%.

So to answer the question: Nope,

the westerners are typically stuck with prostitutes,

that stay with the westerner in a on-job relation

Speak for yourself:

My Thai GF – MA from the US

My closet friend: Thai wife, MBA from Thailand, top 3 Uni

Close buddy 1: Thai Wife: MA from the UK

Close buddy 2: Thai GF, BA from Thailand

Next Level Circle of Friends:

1: Thai wife, BA from Thailand

2: Thai wife, MBA from Thailand, top 3 Uni

3 and 4: close friends are married to women from other nationalities

5 and 6: dedicated single guys.

Not a BG or uneducated woman in the bunch, all the Thai women employed and earning good money, one has an income that would make most TV members weep with jealousy.

Then again, there is not an uneducated guy in the bunch either – all but one with professional jobs here in Thailand. It’s all about the friends you make and the company you keep.

What's so special with an "educated Thai gf", MBA, BA, MA etc? And yes, I really envy you because your GF have a MA from the US. BTW, how's her cooking, taking care of children and other household skills?

I have N.U.M.N.U.T. after my name, got me nowhere.

[DrTuner]

Do they have a Master's program for Housewifism ? That'd actually be useful. Basic courses in hoovering, cooking, feeding the litter, specialization in one branch or the other. Thesis, of course, getting a farang hubby.

Edited October 30, 2012 by DrTuner

[Furbie]

Out of all the westerners i know of,

only 2 has a thai gf with bachelor's degree or above, and a job that goes with it,

myself included.

That may work out to be around 3%.

So to answer the question: Nope,

the westerners are typically stuck with prostitutes,

that stay with the westerner in a on-job relation

Speak for yourself:

My Thai GF – MA from the US

My closet friend: Thai wife, MBA from Thailand, top 3 Uni

Close buddy 1: Thai Wife: MA from the UK

Close buddy 2: Thai GF, BA from Thailand

Next Level Circle of Friends:

1: Thai wife, BA from Thailand

2: Thai wife, MBA from Thailand, top 3 Uni

3 and 4: close friends are married to women from other nationalities

5 and 6: dedicated single guys.

Not a BG or uneducated woman in the bunch, all the Thai women employed and earning good money, one has an income that would make most TV members weep with jealousy.

Then again, there is not an uneducated guy in the bunch either – all but one with professional jobs here in Thailand. It’s all about the friends you make and the company you keep.

What's so special with an "educated Thai gf", MBA, BA, MA etc? And yes, I really envy you because your GF have a MA from the US. BTW, how's her cooking, taking care of children and other household skills?

Read the post I responded to – my comments were providing balance to his experiences, in which he states he does not have friends married to educated Thai woman above a BA. I also did not say people would be jealous of me because of my GF, I said some would be jealous of my friend’s wife’s salary. Get it together man and at least make your comments on point. I put the country of origin of the degrees earned since some on TV pounce on anything not earned overseas or not from a top Thai uni. Call it a preemptive statement.

However, since you brought it up, an education is a critical quality in a long-term relationship for me. I would expect it in a Western GF or a Thai GF, same with holding a good job, being attractive, a sunny disposition, having no kids and never selling herself for money. I would call these the basic requirements.

For the record, my GF is an excellent cook of Thai food (not so much on the Western food) and OK (but not thrilled) with household chores. Also for the record, I am an excellent cook, though far less OK with household chores. Neither she nor I have children – so I have no idea on the child rearing skills, though she seems fine with her nieces and nephews. The good news, since we can easily afford a maid and a nanny or two, I’m not too worried about the housework or the kids.

Fact – there are many expats, and many more of us now than 11-12 years ago when I first got here, who are dating, marrying and having lives in a different part of Thai society than those before us.

[Tolley]

Where there is a big age difference it is probably safe to assume in most cases that the foreigner is marrying a Thai from a lower socio economic group than himself.

Nothing wrong with that. As long as both parties are happy with the arrangment.

Of course it is only natural to also assume that the better educated more monied Thai women will not be so readily available for foreigners. They have more options and they probably dont come into contact anyway with the vast majority of foreigners who visit thailand.

The only place where this doesnt apply is here on thai visa where everyman is married to a girl with a degree or pots of money.

[somtampet]

Against my better judgement i decided to read this thread

bye bye troll