Anti-Govt Group Leader Gen Boonlert To Report To Police: Thailand

[webfact]

Anti-gov't group leader to report to police

By Digital Media

BANGKOK, Nov 1 - The main leader of the anti-government Pitak Siam group Gen Boonlert Kaewprasit said Wednesday he stands ready to report to the authorities if he receives the summons issued in his name on charges of inciting rebellion and coup.

Crime Suppression Division police issued a summons to the retired general and to Sondhi Limthongkul, a co-leader of the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD), the yellow shirt movement, asking both to acknowledge charges of inciting rebellion and coup by next Wednesday.

Gen Boonlert said he has not yet received the summons but said that he would report to police investigators as soon as he received it.

Both summonses were issued after a lawyer representing the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) asked the police to take legal action against Mr Sondhi and Gen Boonlert for inciting rebellion and coup. The lawyer also submitted recordings of the Pitak Siam rally on Sunday and reports about the protest on the internet and in the media as evidence.

Gen Boonlert repeated his announcement that the next rally could be held within three weeks or a month from the first gathering. The next rally is expected to draw more participants than the first, which he claimed attracted as many as 20,000 supporters, although police estimated a lower number. (MCOT online news)

-- TNA 2012-11-01

[GentlemanJim]

Quite unbelievable! I wonder if the lawyer who has made the complaint is actually working on behalf of the Government or perhaps some other person that may have been 'left out' recently. So if a peaceful gathering in a stadium was inciting rebellion and coup, what exactly was the gathering in 2010 where the center of Bangkok was barricaded off by reds, er sorry the UDD?

Calling the peaceful gathering by Pitak Siam as inciting rebellion is a very dangerous game to play, as it was a constitutional right and was conducted with absolutely no trouble at all, nor was there any inconvenience to the city and it's occupants. This country is quickly becoming a tinderbox and it really is ready to explode. The normal, quiet acceptance of the Thai people is starting to be disturbed and the people I see around me are starting to grumble openly. Thai culture is quite volcanic in nature in that they will remain calm, but as the pressure builds up and up we are heading for another Krakatoa.

Edited November 1, 2012 by GentlemanJim

[OzMick]

Well if charges are laid, they should arrange for one or other of the political parties to put them on their party list at the next election, thus delaying any court cases for years.

[Thai at Heart]

Quite unbelievable! I wonder if the lawyer who has made the complaint is actually working on behalf of the Government or perhaps some other person that may have been 'left out' recently. So if a peaceful gathering in a stadium was inciting rebellion and coup, what exactly was the gathering in 2010 where the center of Bangkok was barricaded off by reds, er sorry the UDD?

Calling the peaceful gathering by Pitak Siam as inciting rebellion is a very dangerous game to play, as it was a constitutional right and was conducted with absolutely no trouble at all, nor was there any inconvenience to the city and it's occupants. This country is quickly becoming a tinderbox and it really is ready to explode. The normal, quiet acceptance of the Thai people is starting to be disturbed and the people I see around me are starting to grumble openly. Thai culture is quite volcanic in nature in that they will remain calm, but as the pressure builds up and up we are heading for another Krakatoa.

I wonder where they rediscovered this law about inciting a coup.

Does it get taken off and re~added to the books every time there is a coup. Lol

[MunterHunter]

Red Democracy - Only we are allowed to protest, if you try, we will take you down!

[billd766]

Just think for a minute.

This guy has has only one rally and before it happened everybody was laughing at him say he wouldn't get more than 2,000 people at the rally. It seems that he got between 2,00 and over 25,000 (pick your own figures) and all of a sudden he is charged with inciting a rebellion and a coup.

The PTP, government and the UDD must be really scared of this guy and how many people he will get next time. If they can put him in jail, unlikely as far as I can see there will be someone else in his place, and someone else all the way down the line.

Next time the red barbarians may be let loose to break it up but if these people protest peacefully and never carry weapons the government must tread softly as they cannot be seen to permit or encourage violence from their own side because the social networks etc will pick it up live and it will be out in the real world before the government know what is happening.

[Moruya]

_{Good thing he didn't suggest burning down Bangkok, provincial town halls, Siriraj Hospital, Muslim mosques etc.}

[firestar]

_{Good thing he didn't suggest burning down Bangkok, provincial town halls, Siriraj Hospital, Muslim mosques etc.}

When they were only calling for new elections it was enough for many here to want prosecution.

Edited November 1, 2012 by firestar

[firestar]

Do people even bother reading the article?

Gen Boonlert is calling for a military coup, even in free speech countries calls for Military insurrection are called treason.

There is a very interesting article in a paper that can't be accused of being red that unfortunately we are not allowed to link to.

[saltandpepper]

_{Good thing he didn't suggest burning down Bangkok, provincial town halls, Siriraj Hospital, Muslim mosques etc.}

No, that is reserved for the reds democracy only

[firestar]

btw the only reason I post what seems to be red, is to re-establish some balance, members here have such a bias I sometimes think their objectivity is on par with red Isaan rice farmers.

You guys are suppose to be the educated crowd but really you are the opposite sides of the same coin.

[waza]

Quite unbelievable! I wonder if the lawyer who has made the complaint is actually working on behalf of the Government or perhaps some other person that may have been 'left out' recently. So if a peaceful gathering in a stadium was inciting rebellion and coup, what exactly was the gathering in 2010 where the center of Bangkok was barricaded off by reds, er sorry the UDD?

Calling the peaceful gathering by Pitak Siam as inciting rebellion is a very dangerous game to play, as it was a constitutional right and was conducted with absolutely no trouble at all, nor was there any inconvenience to the city and it's occupants. This country is quickly becoming a tinderbox and it really is ready to explode. The normal, quiet acceptance of the Thai people is starting to be disturbed and the people I see around me are starting to grumble openly. Thai culture is quite volcanic in nature in that they will remain calm, but as the pressure builds up and up we are heading for another Krakatoa.

You are so right Jim, even my TGF who is a political apathetic is writing posts against the current governments policies on facebook. She has seen Thailand from the outside and doesnt like the way it is heading. Activities like this from the PTP just hilights their double standards and lack of democracy.

Edited November 1, 2012 by waza

[waza]

btw the only reason I post what seems to be red, is to re-establish some balance, members here have such a bias I sometimes think their objectivity is on par with red Isaan rice farmers.

You guys are suppose to be the educated crowd but really you are the opposite sides of the same coin.

Actually I find the core posters comments to be balanced overall. Its just that the Shiniwatra/ PT parties government, its PM, partylist and cabinet members havent done much that is praise worthy.

[Fozfromoz]

The article in the other paper states that the lawyer complaint about these 2 were for comments made in January, which is 10 Months ago. Also he submitted documents from the rally on Sunday last. That seems a bit strange in the timing. Obviously he is felt a threat, but Quite frankly, if this dipshit is walking around saying he would stage a coup if he had the power, (other rag) as its the only way to bring down the government, then this place will remain where it is, a wheel spinning in the mud.

Yeah, let's have a coup, I can call all my Army mates, then I can put myself in the chair. Don't even have to walk down the street and kiss babies, If the government is no good, then vote them out. This lets have a coup mentality is just bullshit.

[firestar]

Actually I find the core posters comments to be balanced overall. Its just that the Shiniwatra/ PT parties government, its PM, partylist and cabinet members havent done much that is praise worthy.

The latter I can agree with, the former you have to be kidding.

When the reds were asking for new elections, before any violence broke out, most here were already foaming at the mouth, saying it's the law, it's the law. Now Seh Ai goes on record calling for Military insurrection, tells the Bangkokpost he would "love a coup", admits the weakness of his appeal for turning out the government and that only with the guns of the military can he hope to prevail but that is all ok with the same posters.

[rixalex]

btw the only reason I post what seems to be red, is to re-establish some balance, members here have such a bias I sometimes think their objectivity is on par with red Isaan rice farmers.

You guys are suppose to be the educated crowd but really you are the opposite sides of the same coin.

Every single post you make on political threads is in some way a defence of the red side or an attack on the yellow side, or a combination of the two. Apparently you make these posts not because you support Thaksin or the reds - nobody wants to admit that these days do they - but because you feel it your duty as an impartial neutral non-partisan observer, to step in and "re-establish some balance". OK. Well, some might believe you.... my guess is you are just another variation from the "i don't like Thaksin but...." brigade, the "yes but the yellows blah blah blah airport airport airport" gang.

[rixalex]

When the reds were asking for new elections, before any violence broke out, most here were already foaming at the mouth, saying it's the law, it's the law.

What are you talking about? The reds had every right to ask for new elections. When they weren't given them, it was they that started foaming at the mouth and they changed it from a request to a demand, and started breaking the law to try and pressurize the government into caving in or toppling. Removing a government by force was the strategy. A strategy that has a lot in common with a coup.

[Pimay1]

_{Good thing he didn't suggest burning down Bangkok, provincial town halls, Siriraj Hospital, Muslim mosques etc.}

No, that is reserved for the reds democracy only

Nice one and oh so true.

[firestar]

Every single post you make on political threads is in some way a defence of the red side or an attack on the yellow side, or a combination of the two. Apparently you make these posts not because you support Thaksin or the reds - nobody wants to admit that these days do they - but because you feel it your duty as an impartial neutral non-partisan observer, to step in and "re-establish some balance". OK. Well, some might believe you.... my guess is you are just another variation from the "i don't like Thaksin but...." brigade, the "yes but the yellows blah blah blah airport airport airport" gang.

Where do I defend Thaksin? Where do you see me make a judgement call about the red or yellow shirt movement?

None of my posts are about reds or yellows being right....they are about the hypocrisy of TV posters pretending to champion democracy but supporting the complete opposite when it suits their agenda.

If you need to know, personally if I voted, my vote wouldn't go to PTP. believe me or not. that's your problem.

Edited November 1, 2012 by firestar

[waza]

Actually I find the core posters comments to be balanced overall. Its just that the Shiniwatra/ PT parties government, its PM, partylist and cabinet members havent done much that is praise worthy.

The latter I can agree with, the former you have to be kidding.

When the reds were asking for new elections, before any violence broke out, most here were already foaming at the mouth, saying it's the law, it's the law. Now Seh Ai goes on record calling for Military insurrection, tells the Bangkokpost he would "love a coup", admits the weakness of his appeal for turning out the government and that only with the guns of the military can he hope to prevail but that is all ok with the same posters.

I appreciate your role as devils advocate to provide balance.

However, if shooting your mouth off is a criminal crime then Jatuporn and Charlem should be doing life.

Actually, on further reflection, given the Les Majesty, slander laws and this "inciting rebellion and coup" thingy I guess talking too loud in public is a criminal act in a Thakocracy.

Edited November 1, 2012 by waza

[rixalex]

Where do I defend Thaksin? Where do you see we make a judgement call about the red or yellow shirt movement?

None of my posts are about reds or yellows being right....they are about the hypocrisy of TV posters pretending to champion democracy but supporting the complete opposite when it suits their agenda.

If you need to know, personally if I voted, my vote wouldn't go to PTP. believe me or not. that's your problem.

As i say, some may believe you to be the impartial neutral non-partisan observer just here doing your duty, trying to reestablish some balance, that you say you are.... and some may not... hardly my problem.

[firestar]

I appreciate your role as devils advocate to provide balance. However, if shooting your mouth off is a criminal crime then Jatuporn and Charlem should be doing life

maybe so

Again, at the risk of repeating myself, my point isn't about who is right or wrong... it's about posters that hooted and hollered about principles and preached letter of the law so quick to modify those principles at the drop of a hat.

Edited November 1, 2012 by firestar

[AleG]

The article in the other paper states that the lawyer complaint about these 2 were for comments made in January, which is 10 Months ago. Also he submitted documents from the rally on Sunday last. That seems a bit strange in the timing. Obviously he is felt a threat, but Quite frankly, if this dipshit is walking around saying he would stage a coup if he had the power, (other rag) as its the only way to bring down the government, then this place will remain where it is, a wheel spinning in the mud.

Yeah, let's have a coup, I can call all my Army mates, then I can put myself in the chair. Don't even have to walk down the street and kiss babies, If the government is no good, then vote them out. This lets have a coup mentality is just bullshit.

Anyone with a hint of moral fiber should reject this loon, calling for a coup has no place in a democratic society.

Putting that aside, the Red Shirts have no leg to stand on complaining about this, when they quite openly called for violent insurrection unless they got what they wanted.

[firestar]

Actually, on further reflection, given the Les Majesty, slander laws and this "inciting rebellion and coup" thingy I guess talking too loud in public is a criminal act in a Thakocracy.

But then again here sorry your comment is indicative of absolute partisanship..

Whoever you think should govern Thailand, blaming him for Lese Majesty laws shows you are completely uninformed.

[webfact]

Sukampol rules out deploying troops to suppress Pitak Siam protesters

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Defense Minister Sukampol Suwannathat said Thursday that his government would not bring military to suppress antigovernment protesters led by Pitak Siam group saying police was capable enough to handle the situation.

The minister said he has already consulted with police chief Adul Saengsingkaew on the matter since the Pitak Siam (Protect Siam) group led by Boonlert Kaewprasit staged rally last Sunday.

The group announced last Sunday that they would call another protest against Yingluck Shinawatra's government soon and next time might gather in front of Prime Minister Office.

-- The Nation 2012-11-01

[saltandpepper]

Sukampol rules out deploying troops to suppress Pitak Siam protesters

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Defense Minister Sukampol Suwannathat said Thursday that his government would not bring military to suppress antigovernment protesters led by Pitak Siam group saying police was capable enough to handle the situation.

The minister said he has already consulted with police chief Adul Saengsingkaew on the matter since the Pitak Siam (Protect Siam) group led by Boonlert Kaewprasit staged rally last Sunday.

The group announced last Sunday that they would call another protest against Yingluck Shinawatra's government soon and next time might gather in front of Prime Minister Office.

-- The Nation 2012-11-01

I am eager to see how this is going to evolve!

[DocN]

So typical: two wrongs don't make a right!

Fact is: he called for a coup!

Fact is also: that is obviously against the law!

Fact is furthermore: someone filed a case on him, according to that law!

End of story!

What should have been done earlier or now to whoever IS NOT THE POINT!

But it is so typical also, that those who permanently are calling for law- cases against this or that (red shirt) guy (and mostly 100% rightfully so!) are now fuming, when one of their own (anti- red shirt) guys is accused of something!

Make your mind up, which way you want to have it!

...oh no...you did already!

Loooooooong ago!

[virtualtraveller]

Incredible how efficient the police are when the protest shoe is on the other foot. It's going to be interesting, basically the UDD leaders got carried away and set a precedent, so whatever these guys do should be placed in perspective. What he said and what was said on the Ratchaprasong stage isn't much different, funny how everyone thought that the recent election would settle the matter, use a mob to throw out their lot and they will expect to use a mob to throw out your lot. Sure calling for a coup is bad news, I could do that on this forum, should I then be arrested. So far no planning of a coup has taken place. It will be interesting to see how this escalates, especially in light of the govt's plan to re-open the charter re-write bid in Nov.

[mrtoad]

Under the Red Shirt Democracy, only those that agree with the vision of The DL are allowed to speak. Hooray, for PTP.

[rixalex]

So typical: two wrongs don't make a right!

Fact is: he called for a coup!

Fact is also: that is obviously against the law!

Fact is furthermore: someone filed a case on him, according to that law!

End of story!

What should have been done earlier or now to whoever IS NOT THE POINT!

But it is so typical also, that those who permanently are calling for law- cases against this or that (red shirt) guy (and mostly 100% rightfully so!) are now fuming, when one of their own (anti- red shirt) guys is accused of something!

Make your mind up, which way you want to have it!

...oh no...you did already!

Loooooooong ago!

If anyone is fuming it sounds like you.

Someone calling for a coup is obviously a bit of an idiot. If he actually made any attempt to do what he is calling for, well then the authorities should step in and do something. Same thing goes if his protests turn violent. Until then i think the government would be better off ignoring him. Jumping in so quickly to try and silence him before anything has actually happened, just makes them look hypocrites when considering their own track history with protests.