Kindle Problems

[gennisis]

I have a Kindle for 2 years....,wanted another..so accessed the Amazon site and ordered one.

Up came the message 'cant supply to Thailand" despite their website saying how pleased they were to deliver to thailand.

Contacted them and was told no problem in sending to thailand. So tried to order again 3 times and still got the No delivery to thailand notice'

Then.for no reason as far as I could see an email from Amazon telling me that orders from USA could not be shipped to Thailand.

Anyone got any idea's on whats going on?

[harrry]

THe newer model of the kindle, the paperwhite is not sold here. THe FIre is not. You caqn get the basic models though.

[CaptHaddock]

This is one of the reasons that we maintain a US mailing address with a mail forwarder in the US. We are never been refused by the e-commerce site and since our mailing address with the credit card companies is the same as our shipping address the credit card companies don't baulk either. The other advantage is that it is easy to have the mail forwarder ship always by US mail to Thailand to reduce the risk of having to pay customs. The basic cost is $20/month plus shipping charges. If you don't have a continuing need that justifies the expense there are one-time forwarders also, such as

http://www.ship2me.com/

[guzzi850m2]

THe newer model of the kindle, the paperwhite is not sold here. THe FIre is not. You caqn get the basic models though.

No correct, I ordered and got a new Kindle Paperwhite from Kindle Thailand, 6990 bath incl. free shipping (love it by the way).

My first Kindle keypad was ordered in Amazon USA and I remember that I also had slight problem finding a model that they

would ship to Thailand, but I managed in the end.

I was hit with app. 2000 bath import tax and 1000 bath shipping, so I think it's cheaper to buy one from Kindle Thailand and

no problem attach it to my Amazon account (registered).

http://kindle-thailand.in.th/en/

[harrry]

Kindle Thailand is a local store.....it is not an official seller. For most things it works more expensive and I am uncertain of the warantee protection.

[guzzi850m2]

Kindle Thailand is a local store.....it is not an official seller. For most things it works more expensive and I am uncertain of the warantee protection.

More nonsense from you, they clearly write on their homepage that you have 1 year full warranty from Amazon. Do you also think Amazon would allow them to call them self: Kindle in Thailand??

Or maybe they buy say 25 Kindle Paperwhite from Amazon and then sell them here unofficially, I don't think so.

It's cheaper to buy them from Thailand (if you are here).

[BigJohnnyBKK]

My understanding is that Kindles are simply not "officially" sold here at all.

Feel free to take the word of the seller about warranty, personally I wouldn't worry about it, not talking about that much money (for the sort of people buying tech gadgets like this).

But if you do have the extra dosh and are concerned about "official" status, then I'd order direct to a home-country address and have a friend handle the warranty from back home if you have a problem.

[BigJohnnyBKK]

Do you also think Amazon would allow them to call them self: Kindle in Thailand??

I'm sure Amazon would prefer they didn't, but it takes a lot of time and money to try to enforce such things. Once Amazon does set up official sales channels here then I'm sure they will go to the trouble, but in the meantime all the violator is doing is priming the market for them.

Actually now that I think about it, Amazon may never bother investing here, since their whole business model depends on legal respect for IP and actual enforcement rather than just sham lip service. It's not as if they make any money off the hardware, and how many of you (who actually live here long-term) bother paying for electronic media?

Ever wonder why there's no local software development industry here to speak of?

Reap what you sow. . .

[CaptHaddock]

I'm sure Amazon would prefer they didn't, but it takes a lot of time and money to try to enforce such things. Once Amazon does set up official sales channels here then I'm sure they will go to the trouble, but in the meantime all the violator is doing is priming the market for them.

Actually now that I think about it, Amazon may never bother investing here, since their whole business model depends on legal respect for IP and actual enforcement rather than just sham lip service. It's not as if they make any money off the hardware, and how many of you (who actually live here long-term) bother paying for electronic media?

Ever wonder why there's no local software development industry here to speak of?

Reap what you sow. . .

The trouble with the moralistic argument for IP is that it ignores history. In 1886 when the US was a developing economy, fully-developed France and Germany established the Berne copyright convention. Although the US had various internal laws providing limited copyright protection, it did not sign the Berne convention recognizing foreign copyright protection until 1988. That's the reason that the first performance of Wagner's operas outside of Bayreuth was at the Metropolitan Opera in New York. The Met just ignored Wagner's copyright claim. When it was to its advantage the US ignored foreign copyrights. Now that it is a fully developed economy it makes moral claims to current position.

Apart from the selective historical memory of the Americans outraged at violations of US copyrights, the current practice of enforcing copyrights works against the original purpose to foster innovation. Microsoft is a prime example of a company famous for stifling competition. Unless you are Apple (of which Microsoft was at one time a part owner) the only way to compete with Microsoft is to get programmers to work for free, i.e. linux. Much of current copyright case law consists of claims by companies that have not developed anything, but are squatting on copyrights they have purchased as speculations and enforce against companies trying to deveop competing software. In addition, Congress has repeated extended the terms of copyrights without a convincing case that doing so results in more innovation.

So, the moralistic claim for the current status and enforcement of copyrights, software copyrights in particular, seems very weak and designed to fool people who don't know history, i.e. Americans, and who don't pay enough attention to recognize how uncompetitive large swaths of the American economy are.

[BigJohnnyBKK]

The trouble with the moralistic argument for IP is that it ignores history. In 1886 when the US was a developing economy, fully-developed France and Germany established the Berne copyright convention. Although the US had various internal laws providing limited copyright protection, it did not sign the Berne convention recognizing foreign copyright protection until 1988. That's the reason that the first performance of Wagner's operas outside of Bayreuth was at the Metropolitan Opera in New York. The Met just ignored Wagner's copyright claim. When it was to its advantage the US ignored foreign copyrights. Now that it is a fully developed economy it makes moral claims to current position.

Apart from the selective historical memory of the Americans outraged at violations of US copyrights, the current practice of enforcing copyrights works against the original purpose to foster innovation. Microsoft is a prime example of a company famous for stifling competition. Unless you are Apple (of which Microsoft was at one time a part owner) the only way to compete with Microsoft is to get programmers to work for free, i.e. linux. Much of current copyright case law consists of claims by companies that have not developed anything, but are squatting on copyrights they have purchased as speculations and enforce against companies trying to deveop competing software. In addition, Congress has repeated extended the terms of copyrights without a convincing case that doing so results in more innovation.

So, the moralistic claim for the current status and enforcement of copyrights, software copyrights in particular, seems very weak and designed to fool people who don't know history, i.e. Americans, and who don't pay enough attention to recognize how uncompetitive large swaths of the American economy are.

I hope you didn't go to the trouble of posting that dissertation in the belief that I was advocating the US position on worldwide IP enforcement.

And I was going to say the topic wasn't of interest to me, but in scanning your post got an epiphany.

My family has close friends among the direct descendents of Herr Richard, I've attended three Bayreuth Festivals as guest of the family (talk about royal treatment! 8) and my best friend out of the group (related by marriage) is one of the top IP attorneys in Europe, educated at Oxford and high up in the IEC, Europe's analogue to the infamous RIAA.

I guess those two facts aren't as randomly connected as I'd thought!

Amazing what one learns here on TV.com isn't it. . .

[bonobo]

THe newer model of the kindle, the paperwhite is not sold here. THe FIre is not. You caqn get the basic models though.

No correct, I ordered and got a new Kindle Paperwhite from Kindle Thailand, 6990 bath incl. free shipping (love it by the way).

My first Kindle keypad was ordered in Amazon USA and I remember that I also had slight problem finding a model that they

would ship to Thailand, but I managed in the end.

I was hit with app. 2000 bath import tax and 1000 bath shipping, so I think it's cheaper to buy one from Kindle Thailand and

no problem attach it to my Amazon account (registered).

http://kindle-thailand.in.th/en/

Just looked at the Paperwhite in the US. Not bad, but Best Buy didn't have the one with the light for reading in the dark, so I held off. I have had two Kindles delivered here to Thailand, though, without a problem.

[CaptHaddock]

I hope you didn't go to the trouble of posting that dissertation in the belief that I was advocating the US position on worldwide IP enforcement.

And I was going to say the topic wasn't of interest to me, but in scanning your post got an epiphany.

My family has close friends among the direct descendents of Herr Richard, I've attended three Bayreuth Festivals as guest of the family (talk about royal treatment! 8) and my best friend out of the group (related by marriage) is one of the top IP attorneys in Europe, educated at Oxford and high up in the IEC, Europe's analogue to the infamous RIAA.

I guess those two facts aren't as randomly connected as I'd thought!

Amazing what one learns here on TV.com isn't it. . .

Glad to hear about your IP views.

Why don't you ask the Wagners what they think of the Met Opera the next time they see you. I wonder if they have residual resentments.

[BigJohnnyBKK]

Glad to hear about your IP views.

Why don't you ask the Wagners what they think of the Met Opera the next time they see you. I wonder if they have residual resentments.

Not likely anytime soon, haven't mixed much in those kind of circles for such a long time and little interest in ever doing so to be honest. And somehow I imagine they've sorted that particular bit out and doubt any grudges are being nursed. . .

But ya never know I'll try to keep it in mind if it comes up and post back here 8-)