Red Shirts Warned Against Getting Near Pitak Siam Rally Site

[nurofiend]

all day long, when have i ever, ever said that? .... precisely.

that was rhetorical, so no need to waste your time and breath either.

and i have no idea what you think 'taking notice' means, but this rally being in the headlines and the police deploying thousands of personnel is taking notice in my eyes....

You should know the scientific definition difference between precision and accuracy. Your replies are precise because you give the same result every time.

If you are trying to convey a meaning to me "eh?" falls far short of doing so. Some of the PS leaders do have fascist leanings, others attending had far different inclinations up to and including communists. It suits some to select the least acceptable label and apply it to all in an opposition group, when the same label could much more accurately used closer to home.

Reporters and police do not carry out coups.

same result ever time yadda yadda yadda...

anyway,

It suits some to select the least acceptable label and apply it to all in an opposition group

ok, i'm out of this one.

[Moruya]

uhm, the leader/spokesman calling for a coup?

or is calling for a coup not making an attempt to overthrow the democratic regime of government with the King as head of the state?

Well done. Read it carefully

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yes, now your turn.

Section 68.

No person shall exercise the rights and liberties prescribed in the Constitution to overthrow the democratic regime of government with the King as Head of State under this Constitution or to acquire the power to rule the country by any means which is not in accordance with the modes provided in this Constitution.

In the case where a person or a political party has committed the act under paragraph one, the person knowing of such act shall have the right to request the Prosecutor General to investigate its facts and submit a motion to the Constitutional Court for ordering cessation of such act without, however, prejudice to the institution of a criminal action against such person.

In the case where the Constitutional Court makes a decision compelling the political party to cease to commit the act under paragraph two, the Constitutional Court may order the dissolution of such political party.

In the case where the Constitutional Court makes the dissolution order under paragraph three, the right to vote of the President and the executive board of directors of the dissolved political party at the time the act under paragraph one has been committed shall be suspended for the period of five years as from the date the Constitutional Court makes such order.

Now where is that queue of people outside the Prosecutor General's office?

Oh! We don't need one because the mighty Neurofiend has unilaterally adjudicated on behalf of the Constitution Court

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[nurofiend]

Section 68.

No person shall exercise the rights and liberties prescribed in the Constitution to overthrow the democratic regime of government with the King as Head of State under this Constitution or to acquire the power to rule the country by any means which is not in accordance with the modes provided in this Constitution.

In the case where a person or a political party has committed the act under paragraph one, the person knowing of such act shall have the right to request the Prosecutor General to investigate its facts and submit a motion to the Constitutional Court for ordering cessation of such act without, however, prejudice to the institution of a criminal action against such person.

In the case where the Constitutional Court makes a decision compelling the political party to cease to commit the act under paragraph two, the Constitutional Court may order the dissolution of such political party.

In the case where the Constitutional Court makes the dissolution order under paragraph three, the right to vote of the President and the executive board of directors of the dissolved political party at the time the act under paragraph one has been committed shall be suspended for the period of five years as from the date the Constitutional Court makes such order.

Now where is that queue of people outside the Prosecutor General's office?

Oh! We don't need one because the mighty Neurofiend has unilaterally adjudicated on behalf of the Constitution Court

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mighty! cheers, i appreciate that.

Now where is that queue of people outside the Prosecutor General's office?

why would there be any queue at all when anyone can just bypass that process if they feel like it?

that wasn't rhetorical btw.

[otherstuff1957]

At the October PT rally a group from the Communist Party of Thailand attended.

The communists seem to spread their favors about equally. I took this picture during a redshirt protest in March 2011:

[Bluespunk]

@KinM

I'm not sure where you studied history but hitler destroyed the whole idea of democracy in Germany. The Weimar Republic was a functioning democracy that did not have the strength to survive the great depression and the vindictive terms of the Treaty of Versailles. It seized by the nazis through a mixture of exploiting the democratic process and eliminating/banning it's rivals. Once the grip was strong enough democracy was over. Hitler brought nothing but hate, fear, misery, disaster and mass murder to Germany.

[Bluespunk]

At the October PT rally a group from the Communist Party of Thailand attended.

The communists seem to spread their favors about equally. I took this picture during a redshirt protest in March 2011:

I thought communism was illegal in Thailand……

[culicine]

At the October PT rally a group from the Communist Party of Thailand attended.

The communists seem to spread their favors about equally. I took this picture during a redshirt protest in March 2011:

I thought communism was illegal in Thailand……

So is prostitution:)

[MikeOboe57]

This whole panic spreading talk by the government of a violent "yellow" riot serves the same purpose as the recent "assassination plot" in Myanmar.

It will be an excuse for a Shinawatra not to show up.

[chadintheusa]

One side promotes elections while the other is calling for a military coup to overthrow the elected government followed by a 5 year cessation to them.Ummm...which one is pro-democracy??????????????????????????????

Promotes elections? All that destruction, death, mayhem, burning, vandalisation in Bangkok, was all just a bit of election promotion.

Excuse me why do you have a question mark followed by a childish horizontal laughing man after a statement. If you really think PT & reds don't like elections you have got the wrong end of the stick.Why wouldn't they promote elections when they are up against a detestable, perennial loser?

Of couse the reds like elections, they get paid for voting, why not have elections every week? Its how Thai politics work.

Step one. cast your vote, collect your bribe

Step two, protest the result of the election, collect your bribe

Step three, hold counter protests, collect your bribe

Step four, occupy an airport, or shopping district, collect your bribe

Step five, vote in new elections, collect your bribe

Repeat as necessary

[OzMick]

@KinM

I'm not sure where you studied history but hitler destroyed the whole idea of democracy in Germany. The Weimar Republic was a functioning democracy that did not have the strength to survive the great depression and the vindictive terms of the Treaty of Versailles. It seized by the nazis through a mixture of exploiting the democratic process and eliminating/banning it's rivals. Once the grip was strong enough democracy was over. Hitler brought nothing but hate, fear, misery, disaster and mass murder to Germany.

If I may add, one of the first steps was to form a private militia of thugs (identified by the colour of their shirts) used to disrupt rival political parties' rallies, meetings and social events, and to intimidate canvassers and candidates. Sound familiar?

[Bluespunk]

@KinM

I'm not sure where you studied history but hitler destroyed the whole idea of democracy in Germany. The Weimar Republic was a functioning democracy that did not have the strength to survive the great depression and the vindictive terms of the Treaty of Versailles. It seized by the nazis through a mixture of exploiting the democratic process and eliminating/banning it's rivals. Once the grip was strong enough democracy was over. Hitler brought nothing but hate, fear, misery, disaster and mass murder to Germany.

If I may add, one of the first steps was to form a private militia of thugs (identified by the colour of their shirts) used to disrupt rival political parties' rallies, meetings and social events, and to intimidate canvassers and candidates. Sound familiar?

Very, unfortunately.

[noahvail]

@KinM

I'm not sure where you studied history but hitler destroyed the whole idea of democracy in Germany. The Weimar Republic was a functioning democracy that did not have the strength to survive the great depression and the vindictive terms of the Treaty of Versailles. It seized by the nazis through a mixture of exploiting the democratic process and eliminating/banning it's rivals. Once the grip was strong enough democracy was over. Hitler brought nothing but hate, fear, misery, disaster and mass murder to Germany.

If I may add, one of the first steps was to form a private militia of thugs (identified by the colour of their shirts) used to disrupt rival political parties' rallies, meetings and social events, and to intimidate canvassers and candidates. Sound familiar?

Sadly, yes, and it brings to mind Oscar Wilde's statement that democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people.

[ridkun]

Red Shirts are pro democracy, and are the enforcement arm of the PT Government, and Thaksin. China had the Red Guard, Cambodia has the Kamer Rogue, Germamy had the Brown shirts, and USA has the IRS. No difference.

red shirts are pro red democracy which does not resemble real democracy.

One side promotes elections while the other is calling for a military coup to overthrow the elected government followed by a 5 year cessation to them.

Ummm...which one is pro-democracy??????????????????????????????

Neither. Election is not synonymous with democracy, not even close.

[jayboy]

@KinM

I'm not sure where you studied history but hitler destroyed the whole idea of democracy in Germany. The Weimar Republic was a functioning democracy that did not have the strength to survive the great depression and the vindictive terms of the Treaty of Versailles. It seized by the nazis through a mixture of exploiting the democratic process and eliminating/banning it's rivals. Once the grip was strong enough democracy was over. Hitler brought nothing but hate, fear, misery, disaster and mass murder to Germany.

If I may add, one of the first steps was to form a private militia of thugs (identified by the colour of their shirts) used to disrupt rival political parties' rallies, meetings and social events, and to intimidate canvassers and candidates. Sound familiar?

Yes it does, and if you had been here in 1976 (or had done any reading or research) it would be familiar to you too.Sponsors and financial supporters of the Red Gaurs were much the same as those that gave moral support to the yellow fascists.

[rubl]

@KinM

I'm not sure where you studied history but hitler destroyed the whole idea of democracy in Germany. The Weimar Republic was a functioning democracy that did not have the strength to survive the great depression and the vindictive terms of the Treaty of Versailles. It seized by the nazis through a mixture of exploiting the democratic process and eliminating/banning it's rivals. Once the grip was strong enough democracy was over. Hitler brought nothing but hate, fear, misery, disaster and mass murder to Germany.

If I may add, one of the first steps was to form a private militia of thugs (identified by the colour of their shirts) used to disrupt rival political parties' rallies, meetings and social events, and to intimidate canvassers and candidates. Sound familiar?

Yes it does, and if you had been here in 1976 (or had done any reading or research) it would be familiar to you too.Sponsors and financial supporters of the Red Gaurs were much the same as those that gave moral support to the yellow fascists.

Including the late Samak who seemed to anger some in 2007 when as PM he mentioned only one person died that time.

[asiawatcher]

I don't doubt the reds will be interspersed with the demonstrators.

oh stop, you've already said that if there is violence from PS it will be because thaksin hired them

you've basically said that if there is any wrongdoing seen from PS in the future that it's thaksins fault and doing, there's no point in trying to reason with people so off the charts in their bias.

Pity you haven't been able to identify a facetious comment. Bias? Hardly - Bottom line, no-one Thai really cares enough about democratic process in Thailand or it would have been introduced ages ago. The political process in Thailand is laughable, motivated only by greed irrespective of who is in power. But yes, Thaksin is and has been the downfall of Thailand for nearly 10 years. And if you can't see it you prove my point admirably.

Edited November 17, 2012 by asiawatcher

[jayboy]

@KinM

I'm not sure where you studied history but hitler destroyed the whole idea of democracy in Germany. The Weimar Republic was a functioning democracy that did not have the strength to survive the great depression and the vindictive terms of the Treaty of Versailles. It seized by the nazis through a mixture of exploiting the democratic process and eliminating/banning it's rivals. Once the grip was strong enough democracy was over. Hitler brought nothing but hate, fear, misery, disaster and mass murder to Germany.

If I may add, one of the first steps was to form a private militia of thugs (identified by the colour of their shirts) used to disrupt rival political parties' rallies, meetings and social events, and to intimidate canvassers and candidates. Sound familiar?

Yes it does, and if you had been here in 1976 (or had done any reading or research) it would be familiar to you too.Sponsors and financial supporters of the Red Gaurs were much the same as those that gave moral support to the yellow fascists.

Including the late Samak who seemed to anger some in 2007 when as PM he mentioned only one person died that time.

Agreed including the deplorable late Samak though he was on the sidelines,albeit egging on the murderers in 1976.But the main culprits.....silence from the usual suspects.

[nurofiend]

I don't doubt the reds will be interspersed with the demonstrators.

oh stop, you've already said that if there is violence from PS it will be because thaksin hired them

you've basically said that if there is any wrongdoing seen from PS in the future that it's thaksins fault and doing, there's no point in trying to reason with people so off the charts in their bias.

Pity you haven't been able to identify a facetious comment. Bias? Hardly - Bottom line, no-one Thai really cares enough about democratic process in Thailand or it would have been introduced ages ago. The political process in Thailand is laughable, motivated only by greed irrespective of who is in power. But yes, Thaksin is and has been the downfall of Thailand for nearly 10 years. And if you can't see it you prove my point admirably.

what facetious comment? is the one above or the ones in the past about this all facetious?

i must have you all wrong then.

if i can't see it i prove what 'point'? ...not expecting an answer to this.

the downfall of thailand in the last ten years...mmmm,

you think the political trouble is just down to thaksin? how naive and biased.

Edited November 17, 2012 by nurofiend

[rubl]

If I may add, one of the first steps was to form a private militia of thugs (identified by the colour of their shirts) used to disrupt rival political parties' rallies, meetings and social events, and to intimidate canvassers and candidates. Sound familiar?

Yes it does, and if you had been here in 1976 (or had done any reading or research) it would be familiar to you too.Sponsors and financial supporters of the Red Gaurs were much the same as those that gave moral support to the yellow fascists.

Including the late Samak who seemed to anger some in 2007 when as PM he mentioned only one person died that time.

Agreed including the deplorable late Samak though he was on the sidelines,albeit egging on the murderers in 1976.But the main culprits.....silence from the usual suspects.

One may be excused to wonder what could happen if the late Samak was still alive. From the 2008-02-09 interview

"Historians suggest that you on your radio programme urged mobs of people to turn out and attack the students..."

http://thaiworld.50w...archive031.html

Knowing how UDD leaders are equally good at urging their 'peaceful' supporters to fight till the last drop of blood, it indeed seems a good idea to warn red-shirts to stay away from the Pitak Siam rally site

[15Peter20]

Something tells me that this yellow-oriented rally will pass off without violence, and the 'terrorist' and 'armed militia' epithets tagged on to the red shirt movement by overenthusiastic right wingers will yet again be proved questionable.

To all those who had their car, their business or their personal pride damaged by the events of 2010, or had loved ones intimidated by those actions I would suggest that you seek damages using any legal channels available. The arguments about the rights and wrongs of red shirt demonstrations 2 years ago need to be clarified and judged in Thai courts. Everything else is just venting spleen and has no bearing on the overarching, objective reasons and justifications for why those events (the demonstrations, not the illegal acts) took place.

In the intervening years I would suggest that any red-oriented movement that considered itself an armed millitia ready to fight anything it opposed politically would have considered itself an utter failure. The red shirt movement persists.

Sometimes I think if we siphoned off those posters who had purely personal gripes against the red shirt behavior of 2010 - for which those responsible should be held accountable following Thai law, this forum would be a far more balanced and reasonable medium from which those who aren't so up to speed with the current political situation could get an understanding.

I think some anti-red shirt posters would like nothing more than for violence to break out at the hands of red shirts so that their waning battle-cry of 'terrorists' and 'armed militia' would garner the kind of validity it so desperately needs nowadays.

Edited November 17, 2012 by 15Peter20

[fasteddie]

One side promotes elections while the other is calling for a military coup to overthrow the elected government followed by a 5 year cessation to them.

Ummm...which one is pro-democracy??????????????????????????????

Promotes elections?

All that destruction, death, mayhem, burning, vandalisation in Bangkok, was all just a bit of election promotion.

Yes! simple as that!

[waza]

"Mr Jatuporn said he received a report that anti-government activists will mass produce 5,000 red shirts so that some of the demonstrators will disguise as red shirts and mingle with the crowd"

This is quiet an elaborate ruse to explain why disgruntled factions of redshirts would act in opposition to Thaksin and the PTP. After all it its not the first time, every demonstration has Thaksin calling participants "fake redshirts". Plus the real redshirt still have a problem with the lack of convictions for the deaths of protestors in 2010, despite the 7 million baht compensation each.

BANGKOK, 10 April 2011 (NNT)-The Pheu Thai Party has called on the government to provide safety during their mass gathering today for fears third party individuals could be among them posing as Red Shirt members to instigate problems.

[Moruya]

Section 68.

No person shall exercise the rights and liberties prescribed in the Constitution to overthrow the democratic regime of government with the King as Head of State under this Constitution or to acquire the power to rule the country by any means which is not in accordance with the modes provided in this Constitution.

In the case where a person or a political party has committed the act under paragraph one, the person knowing of such act shall have the right to request the Prosecutor General to investigate its facts and submit a motion to the Constitutional Court for ordering cessation of such act without, however, prejudice to the institution of a criminal action against such person.

In the case where the Constitutional Court makes a decision compelling the political party to cease to commit the act under paragraph two, the Constitutional Court may order the dissolution of such political party.

In the case where the Constitutional Court makes the dissolution order under paragraph three, the right to vote of the President and the executive board of directors of the dissolved political party at the time the act under paragraph one has been committed shall be suspended for the period of five years as from the date the Constitutional Court makes such order.

Now where is that queue of people outside the Prosecutor General's office?

Oh! We don't need one because the mighty Neurofiend has unilaterally adjudicated on behalf of the Constitution Court

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mighty! cheers, i appreciate that.

Now where is that queue of people outside the Prosecutor General's office?

why would there be any queue at all when anyone can just bypass that process if they feel like it?

that wasn't rhetorical btw.

So, will you now answer the question?

[FOODLOVER]

Something tells me that this yellow-oriented rally will pass off without violence, and the 'terrorist' and 'armed militia' epithets tagged on to the red shirt movement by overenthusiastic right wingers will yet again be proved questionable.

To all those who had their car, their business or their personal pride damaged by the events of 2010, or had loved ones intimidated by those actions I would suggest that you seek damages using any legal channels available. The arguments about the rights and wrongs of red shirt demonstrations 2 years ago need to be clarified and judged in Thai courts. Everything else is just venting spleen and has no bearing on the overarching, objective reasons and justifications for why those events (the demonstrations, not the illegal acts) took place.

In the intervening years I would suggest that any red-oriented movement that considered itself an armed millitia ready to fight anything it opposed politically would have considered itself an utter failure. The red shirt movement persists.

Sometimes I think if we siphoned off those posters who had purely personal gripes against the red shirt behavior of 2010 - for which those responsible should be held accountable following Thai law, this forum would be a far more balanced and reasonable medium from which those who aren't so up to speed with the current political situation could get an understanding.

I think some anti-red shirt posters would like nothing more than for violence to break out at the hands of red shirts so that their waning battle-cry of 'terrorists' and 'armed militia' would garner the kind of validity it so desperately needs nowadays.

I think you don't have a clue.

[otherstuff1957]

Sometimes I think if we siphoned off those posters who had purely personal gripes against the red shirt behavior of 2010 - for which those responsible should be held accountable following Thai law, this forum would be a far more balanced and reasonable medium from which those who aren't so up to speed with the current political situation could get an understanding.

So, those of us who distrust and dislike Thaksin and the Redshirts because we experienced the Thaksin regime and the Redshirt riots first-hand should shut up and leave?

[nurofiend]

Section 68.

No person shall exercise the rights and liberties prescribed in the Constitution to overthrow the democratic regime of government with the King as Head of State under this Constitution or to acquire the power to rule the country by any means which is not in accordance with the modes provided in this Constitution.

In the case where a person or a political party has committed the act under paragraph one, the person knowing of such act shall have the right to request the Prosecutor General to investigate its facts and submit a motion to the Constitutional Court for ordering cessation of such act without, however, prejudice to the institution of a criminal action against such person.

In the case where the Constitutional Court makes a decision compelling the political party to cease to commit the act under paragraph two, the Constitutional Court may order the dissolution of such political party.

In the case where the Constitutional Court makes the dissolution order under paragraph three, the right to vote of the President and the executive board of directors of the dissolved political party at the time the act under paragraph one has been committed shall be suspended for the period of five years as from the date the Constitutional Court makes such order.

Now where is that queue of people outside the Prosecutor General's office?

Oh! We don't need one because the mighty Neurofiend has unilaterally adjudicated on behalf of the Constitution Court

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Thaivisa Connect App

mighty! cheers, i appreciate that.

Now where is that queue of people outside the Prosecutor General's office?

why would there be any queue at all when anyone can just bypass that process if they feel like it?

that wasn't rhetorical btw.

So, will you now answer the question?

oh but the mighty nurofiend already did so.

read it again and then answer mine, because i've changed my mind, it's no longer a rhetorical question.

[BeforeTigers]

So it's pro [relatively dysfunctional] government vs. junta.

One would think that less than ideal.

[Moruya]

oh but the mighty nurofiend already did so.

read it again and then answer mine, because i've changed my mind, it's no longer a rhetorical question.

Do you think that section 68 of the Thai constitution has been fallen foul of by Pitak Siam?

[nurofiend]

oh but the mighty nurofiend already did so.

read it again and then answer mine, because i've changed my mind, it's no longer a rhetorical question.

Do you think that section 68 of the Thai constitution has been fallen foul of by Pitak Siam?

do you support pitak siam?

[Moruya]

oh but the mighty nurofiend already did so.

read it again and then answer mine, because i've changed my mind, it's no longer a rhetorical question.

Do you think that section 68 of the Thai constitution has been fallen foul of by Pitak Siam?

do you support pitak siam?

Back-peddling now?