Pimay1 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 What is this 23,000 civilian volunteers? The police themselves have no training in crowd control, how will they additionally manage 150% of their own number? Who is to tell if these 23,000 are neutral? Were they recently selected? By whom? This whole event is disconcerting The private police volunteers will be the red shirt thugs. They will be rehearsing at a rally in Udon Thani the day before. Rehearsing out on the shooting range I expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehard60 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Well this looks like it is just the opposite to what happened a few years ago. I wonder how the yellow shirts will like it this time. Hahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maapaa Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 " .... He said 23,000 civilian volunteers will also be on standby at 192 Bangkok police stations. ...." Are they going to wear red or black shirts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MunterHunter Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 " .... He said 23,000 civilian volunteers will also be on standby at 192 Bangkok police stations. ...." Are they going to wear red or black shirts? Probably wear yellow and cause trouble, so as to blame them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Protestors? When drivers, maids and out of town folks attend to get fed and paid to attend, isnt that called temporary employment, moonlighting? Well my wife and half my staff goes there....everyone living in Bangkok and most of them are good paid technician..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted November 22, 2012 Author Share Posted November 22, 2012 ANTI-GOVERNMENT DEMOSTRATION Abhisit slams gov't handling of rally The Nation File photo : Abhisit BANGKOK: -- Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva said on Thursday that he was confused by the government's extreme reaction to Saturday's planned mass rally in Bangkok. Abhisit, a former prime minister, said the government was over-portraying the rally at the Royal Plaza as being frightening and full of violence. "I am very confused by the government's handling of the rally because if the protest is peaceful and without weapons and violence, the government should facilitate it, as the people have a right to demonstrate in a democracy. The authorities concerned should also ask for cooperation from the protesters and their leader to conduct the rally in line with the law. But instead they have repeatedly claimed there will be violence and terrible confrontations. Such claims can only lead to unnecessary tensions and conflicts, Abhisit said, adding that he expects to see the government adjust its attitude towards the rally. The government on Thursday invokes the Internal Security Act in three Bangkok districts for nine days, starting today, in preparation for Saturday's rally. -- The Nation 2012-11- 22 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxYakov Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 (edited) If anyone has an irresistible urge to visit: The Equestrian Statue of King Chulalongkorn Rama V the Great right about here: https://maps.google....4,0.006652&z=17 Saturday and for the short term, it might be a good idea to suppress the urge and reschedule. Unless of course ... Edited November 22, 2012 by MaxYakov 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chrisswe Posted November 22, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2012 How can you be confused Abhisit ?? You know what you have done some year's ago you stand behind one of the worst violence in Thai history !!! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TallGuyJohninBKK Posted November 22, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2012 What is this 23,000 civilian volunteers? The police themselves have no training in crowd control, how will they additionally manage 150% of their own number? Who is to tell if these 23,000 are neutral? Were they recently selected? By whom? I was wondering the same thing... Never heard before of tens thousands of police "civilian volunteers" potentially engaging in law enforcement actions. Just wondering, perhaps they're all going to be wearing Red uniforms so they can be distinguished from the regular (?) police? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post khunken Posted November 22, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2012 Everything I've seen so far points to the Government actually wanting violence to occur so the have an excuse to suppress any opposition. This has been toted many times by the red shirt leaders. Still no explanation of who the 23,000 'volunteers' are. This is a huge number - will they be armed with guns, batons or tear gas canisters (perish the thought)? I'd recommend giving the area a wide berth during the protest. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post khunken Posted November 22, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2012 How can you be confused Abhisit ?? You know what you have done some year's ago you stand behind one of the worst violence in Thai history !!! Well, you need to brush up on your Thai history. For example, Thaksin was responsible for extra-judicial killing of 2,500 not that long ago. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentine Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 (edited) How can you be confused Abhisit ?? You know what you have done some year's ago you stand behind one of the worst violence in Thai history !!! The ISA was not enforced prior to the red shirt rally but only after the police did not do their job & perhaps even facilitated the influx of people with weapons & gasoline. And then there was Samak (a recent puppet PM) back in the 70s as interior minister who managed to make the army believe the student protesters were communist insurgents which led to a huge number of deaths. Edited November 22, 2012 by Valentine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gl555 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 How can you be confused Abhisit ?? You know what you have done some year's ago you stand behind one of the worst violence in Thai history !!! Oh you mean the violence of sending in troops to battle protestors who were packing assault rifles and grenade launchers? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterwhisper Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Roughly 1 police officer to be deployed for every 3 protesters, plus 23,000 civilian volunteers on stand-by 'just in case'. My oh my, those Siam Pitak guys must be really really dangerous. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orac Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 How can you be confused Abhisit ?? You know what you have done some year's ago you stand behind one of the worst violence in Thai history !!! The ISA was not enforced prior to the red shirt rally but only after the police did not do their job & perhaps even facilitated the influx of people with weapons & gasoline. And then there was Samak (a recent puppet PM) back in the 70s as interior minister who managed to make the army believe the student protesters were communist insurgents which led to a huge number of deaths. Are you sure??? On 25 August 2009, the Thai Cabinet approved the use of Thailand’s Internal Security Act B.E. 2551 (2008) in the area of Dusit District of Bangkok to be effective from 29 August to 1 September 2009, in light of the demonstrations set to take place on 30 August. • The Government has deemed it necessary to invoke the Internal Security Act in this case because based on the reports from intelligence and security agencies, there are possibilities that the demonstrations could be prolonged, and that a third party may seek to instigate unrest or escalate the situation, which would then affect peace and security of the country. http://www.thaiembas...-district-bangk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fstarbkk Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 What is this 23,000 civilian volunteers? The police themselves have no training in crowd control, how will they additionally manage 150% of their own number? Who is to tell if these 23,000 are neutral? Were they recently selected? By whom? This whole event is disconcerting The private police volunteers will be the red shirt thugs. They will be rehearsing at a rally in Udon Thani the day before. Wouldn't surprise me a bit. In any case, quite ominous all this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badmedicine Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 (edited) What will be most interesting here is whether the gov't will mobilize the red shirt thugs to attack the crowd ("23,000 civilians" aiding the police, what's that all about?), the way Mubarak did with the protesters in Egypt. If that happens, you know the country is in really serious trouble. Edited November 22, 2012 by badmedicine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocN Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 "I am very confused by the government's handling of the rally because if the protest is peaceful and without weapons and violence, the government should facilitate it, as the people have a right to demonstrate in a democracy." ...just how do you know that, before the rally even started? And yes, they have the right to demonstrate, even if at least one (if not more ) of the organizers are calling for undemocratic measures! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim walker Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Chase them up to the airport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Well, if it gives the police the instant right to do things like block roads instantly, etc, it may actually facilitate stopping the whole thing turning into a massive confrontation. The whole 20k+ volunteers rubbish is very worrying though, although, if 90% of the capitals coppers are going to be devoted to managing this event, I guess they need someone back at the station to count the daily takings. Lets just hope to hell it doesn't turn into a running battle down there. Have the protest, go home, point made, please, or alternatively, tanks on the streets by Tuesday. Yawn..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zolt Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 The government's handling of the protest was in complete disregard of established procedures, which include tanks and live ammo fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphaeleh Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 The "in" fighting of Thai politics is not going to go away, but if we can minimize human casualties during these events, i would be pleased. I am Falang, I live here, and plan to continue to so. I do not possess the recipe for success here, but Thailand is a young democracy and will struggle for some years yet. Freedom is never free, lets hope the costs are low here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimay1 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 The government's handling of the protest was in complete disregard of established procedures, which include tanks and live ammo fire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 How can you be confused Abhisit ?? You know what you have done some year's ago you stand behind one of the worst violence in Thai history !!! The ISA was not enforced prior to the red shirt rally but only after the police did not do their job & perhaps even facilitated the influx of people with weapons & gasoline. And then there was Samak (a recent puppet PM) back in the 70s as interior minister who managed to make the army believe the student protesters were communist insurgents which led to a huge number of deaths. I don't think it was meant that way, but Abhisit is responsible a bit, because if he would have cleaned out the police from the beginning and fire the police boss on the second day of not following his orders (or even better reinstall the police boss Samak kicked out) than it could have been less violent alone by cutting the money flow from the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocN Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 The government's handling of the protest was in complete disregard of established procedures, which include tanks and live ammo fire. Well...maybe it was! But the crux was, letting the Reds settle and make camp! I understand, that the police (rather on "red" side of things) wasn't very helpful. That, by the way, being IMHO the biggest scandal of the whole thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sungod Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I was reading in another English language paper that the police chief said ISA was being enforced partly due to a credible plot the kidnap the PM. The cynic in me says this is a way out so she does not have to face questions in the censure, IE stay home under police guard. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 The government's handling of the protest was in complete disregard of established procedures, which include tanks and live ammo fire. Well...maybe it was! But the crux was, letting the Reds settle and make camp! I understand, that the police (rather on "red" side of things) wasn't very helpful. That, by the way, being IMHO the biggest scandal of the whole thing! That is the first thing that should be a no, no for these protests. No permenant structures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 (edited) has said goodbye to .. and ... so now, the Edited November 22, 2012 by ratcatcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted November 22, 2012 Author Share Posted November 22, 2012 RT @tulsathit: Yingluck to explain ISA decision on TV pool at 8.30 pm, with English subtitle. via @jeerapong_nna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimay1 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 The government's handling of the protest was in complete disregard of established procedures, which include tanks and live ammo fire. Well...maybe it was! But the crux was, letting the Reds settle and make camp! I understand, that the police (rather on "red" side of things) wasn't very helpful. That, by the way, being IMHO the biggest scandal of the whole thing! Right on DocN. Khun A. should have had the protestors removed immediately. But hind sight is always better. Maybe he thought he could count on the police I don't know but we know now. Hopefuly all have attended the "lessons learned class" and the next time a mob starts setting up in the streets just simply disperse them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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