British And American Teachers Found Dead In Thai Home

[prestburypark]

http://www.addictionsearch.com/treatment_articles/article/valium-abuse-and-addiction_29.html

Valium combined with alcohol info, + more

[Traveller45]

Sorry my last attempt to reply went astray, it somehow got embedded in the original comment. Apologies.

...how do you even ADMINISTER CO2 (or any other gas-) poisoning unless the victims live in a CELLAR ? You would have to airtighten windows, shut off and block air ducts from aircon and then of course, not the least of obstacles, bring the gas in and disperse it, the victims already there, you yourself wearing a gas mask ! In one of the INSPECTOR FRENCH books, if I may swing my specialized knowledge around (...) this was done by a hose from outside a bullseye, this method might work because the victim slept in a ship´s cabin that was welded throughout and tight except for the bullseye. But in an apartment...?

[thatswhatuthought]

I believe someone mentioned this earlier. Check out Facebook page Rangsit Apartments. The second picture down is interesting and the timing of it fits. Or you can just go on with your nonsense speculations with no evidence.

[MILT]

drugs kill everywhere, but many are unaware of the dangers

So does driving???? Never read any mention of drugs.

[Scott]

Off-topic posts have been deleted as well as a post written in Thai. Only English is allowed the forum with the exception of the Thai language forum.

[RickBradford]

The Thai press has a couple of extra details -- the woman said she went to the room, which was locked, and heard snoring coming from inside.

Also. the police discovered 4 bottles of what they describe as 'medicine to cure narcotics addiction', which came from the Thanyarak Institute. They didn't specify empty or full.

From the photo, they could indeed be sleeping; room looks perfectly ordinary, there's even an open laptop next to one of these unfortunate people.

Condolences to their families and friends.

[kawaiimomo]

The Diazepam found in the room mixed with alcohol gives a strong high. If the body is a bit dehydrated it is very easy for clogs to form in veins. Although the report don't say if they found alcohol in the room.

What a load of crap! Diazapam is well know as Valium. It's not a strong drug. There wasn't any mention of milligram dosage. Yellow are 5 mg and blue are 10mg. Unless they took a lot of blues and drank a liter or more of whiskey each, there's no way they died from an over dose of valium.

I know what diazepam is as I had taken it for 15 years. The drug itself it's not dangerous and almost impossible to die by overdose. However when you mix it with alcohol you lose control and do things you normally wouldn't. I had a psychiatrist some time ago who had a heart attack and almost die because of taking diazepam and drinking whisky (and it was just a few glasses not a litre)

[Briggsy]

Somebody has placed the bodies in the chairs. I cannot believe it.

[worgeordie]

Sitting in front of tv ,was it on?, the best Thai police cause of death I heard,

Hypothermia !! on 2 Swedes found lying dead on floor of the kitchen,case

closed.Come on I thought they run about nude in the snow.

The longer you live here,the unbelievable becomes the norm.

regards Worgeordie

[pete66]

The Diazepam found in the room mixed with alcohol gives a strong high. If the body is a bit dehydrated it is very easy for clogs to form in veins. Although the report don't say if they found alcohol in the room.

What a load of balls ..... and that's being kind. Firstly because you are presuming the alcohol when you admit none mentioned. Secondly because Diazepam and alcohol are both "downers", they don't produce a strong high. And how many people die from Diazepam "poisoning" each year? There are huge numbers of people that mix Benzos with alcohol, it just happens. And they don't end up as a pair in a room dead ...... no idea what they died of, but I bet they both didn't die of mixing Diazepam with alcohol

Edited December 8, 2012 by pete66

[DanaDeLuxe]

I believe someone mentioned this earlier. Check out Facebook page Rangsit Apartments. The second picture down is interesting and the timing of it fits. Or you can just go on with your nonsense speculations with no evidence.

This is really a strange coincidence you stumbled upon. The photo showing the guys with full bottles of insecticide happened to be taken yesterday. Maybe their work started even days earlier.

FB link:

https://www.facebook.com/RANGSITAPARTMENT?fref=ts

On the other hand it sounds like they could have overdosed on Methadone, which would be extremely dangerous in combination w alcohol.

Let's hope we get an update after pölice investigations this time. Somehow there are lots of strange deaths reported but rarely if ever a follow up on the cases ...

[I Like Thai]

There was a similar situation to this reported in Vietnam a few years back. Two British journalists mistook China White (Heroin) for cocaine and snorted some. They were found dead where they were sitting.

A similar scene was also portrayed in the Movie Pulp Fiction by Uma Thurman

[jbrain]

I suggest to the board of this forum, that they change the name to CSI Thaivisa.

[thatswhatuthought]

The organophosphates are involved in more cases of occupational poisoning and deaths than any other single group of pesticides. The symptoms of poisoning by organophosphates progress through several stages.

The usual sequence of symptoms of mild poisoning is as follows: fatigue, headache, dizziness, numbness in the arms or legs, nausea and vomiting, excessive sweating and salivation, and abdominal cramps or diarrhea.

In moderate poisoning, the symptoms listed for mild poisoning become more severe. Additional symptoms for moderate poisoning include inability to walk, generalized weakness, difficulty in talking, muscular twitches, and contraction of the pupil of the eye.

The symptoms for severe poisoning are unconsciousness, severe contraction of the pupil of the eye, muscular twitches, secretions from the mouth and nose, and respiratory difficulty. If victims of severe poisoning are not treated immediately, death will usually result.

This might explain why they were seated upright in the chairs. "numbness of arms and legs, inability to walk" It's not the first time pesticides have been mentioned in mysterious deaths of foreigners in Thailand. Rangsit Apartments (seen in OP photo) sprayed yesterday. Coincidence? I think not. First report said single pack of Diazapam found in the room. Then bottle of medicine. Then ?# of bottles of medicine.Why can't they get the facts straight?

[Jayman]

Anyone that tries to use the reasoning that they saw it in a movie as to why it could have happened in real life needs to have their head examined.

I've read that same excuse now several times in this thread. "It was in a movie"

[dksharron]

Although pesticides are being sprayed, why are there two deaths, but as of yet, no mention of any others who are even slightly ill? This does not appear to be the cause of death if it is not also the cause of illness to many others.

[jbrain]

First report said single pack of Diazapam found in the room. Then bottle of medicine. Then ?# of bottles of medicine.Why can't they get the facts straight?

Because it takes some time to research how many bottles of diazepam they need to find to be believable as suicide.

[BookMan]

I suggest to the board of this forum, that they change the name to CSI Thaivisa.

One subforum should be enough.

The catchcry can be 'All crimes solved within the hour'

[drewsclayton]

A million and one wonderful ways to die in Thailand. Sat upright watching TV with your mate. I deduce that foul play is at hand. RIP.

Edited December 8, 2012 by drewsclayton

[TommoPhysicist]

drugs kill everywhere, but many are unaware of the dangers

Dual suicide of course.

That are also my thoughts. No other possibility that 2 people sitting next to each other and awake can die at exactly the same time without the other one noticing anything strange going on.

Downtown Inn people and those Canadian girls both died in similar circumstances.

[Rancid]

Seems to be a lot of foreigners dying in their rooms in this country, doesn't seem so common ouyside Thailand oddly enough. Problem is with the police investigation we have several scenarios:

1. They couldn't be bothered as no momey in it so blame it on suicide.

2. Whoever did it pays them off so they blame it on suicide.

3. The government starts to get too many questions so nudge the police to find an answer, and they find a fall guy or blame it on suicide.

4. There is a big stink in the press and the governmnet tells them to actually solve it. The real reason is found. This is the most unlikely scenario.

Agree, the missing women seems a little suspicious, so clearing that up would be a good start. As with all things in Thailand, and most other places for that matter, follow the money and then take a close look at the closest connections. The only solace their families can now have is knowing what really did happen.

[jbrain]

drugs kill everywhere, but many are unaware of the dangers

Dual suicide of course.

That are also my thoughts. No other possibility that 2 people sitting next to each other and awake can die at exactly the same time without the other one noticing anything strange going on.

Downtown Inn people and those Canadian girls both died in similar circumstances.

They died in their sleep as far as I'm aware.

[maidu]

it is interesting that on the Facebook page for that apartment complex, it shows a guy with a big plastic jar of insecticide and the caption (translated from Thai via google): "its indoor insecticide Rangsit apartment Building 2 in the morning before the afternoon building my first meet me ha!"

The scenario is too strange. For those who keep trying to dis- us armchair sleuths (and others who may have a background in detective and forensics), ....most of us are mentioning possiblities because we care. Not only for the two guys who passed away, but also it may preclude similar scenarios befalling others.

The police have a reputation for dropping the ball on such cases. Has there been a check re; whether the surviving gf/wife is a beneficiary of a generous insurance payment? There are so many factors that Thai investigators won't pursue - either because they're lazy, or because they just don't have the professionalism and wherewithal to do so.

[thatswhatuthought]

Although pesticides are being sprayed, why are there two deaths, but as of yet, no mention of any others who are even slightly ill? This does not appear to be the cause of death if it is not also the cause of illness to many others.

Many reasons spring to mind with very little thought. Use your imagination.

[BigSkip]

foul play... RIP Gents

[davejones]

You don't usually hear of a double suicide, since a feeling of loneliness is usually a contributing factor and a second person would likely talk the first out of such a ridiculous idea. If it was a double suicide from drug overdose you would expect them to be on the ground in pain unless they had something that worked fast and was painless. If it was something accidental how likely is it that it would kill them both at exactly the same time so neither person had the chance to recognize that something was wrong?

Why did the woman who was living there with one of the men, and I also read she was married to him, leave for the whole night with no key on the same night that this rare occurence happened? How easy is it to put an empty packet of pills in the room and plan to have someone else open the door for you later to confirm that you were not in the room?

There are a lot of important details missing from the story that should be easy to get and it is either bad journalism or the police already have their suspicions and are not ready to come out with it yet until more information is obtained.

So what you're saying is that from now on I should always to my key with me if I leave my gf at my condo alone. Because if I don't take a key and she happens to die, you will accuse me of poisoning her and not having my key so that I have an alibi. Do you realise how ridiculous you are being. Even with a key, CCTV would have recorded the coming and going, and the guards would most likely have seen her, so not having a key doesn't prove anything, except that she was expecting them to be at home when she got back. Perhaps she's away often. Why is it odd that she wasn't there when they died? If she was there she might have been able to call for help, so it's obvious that people are more likely to die when there is no-on available to call for help.

What you say is so ridiculous that it's laughable.

<deleted>?

So if you gf decided to go shopping, or go for an appointement, or go to anywhere - you expect here to be at home to let you in?

This has nothing to do with anything in this thread. If you if you go out, and she locks her self in, as you tell her to - ............ oh wait a minute... I know your type! Forget it.. I have little more to add! If she had an accident, or slipped over and injured herself, you'd just go out and find your next gig, mai na? No key, couldn't help her - sorry BIB.

What you write is so ridiculous, and laughable.

-mel.

Don't be so stupid. If I pop out and she says she's staying in, why would I take the key? I don't ask her to lock herself in; she does it because she feels safer. I don't expect her to stay in. If she says she may go out I take my key.

You don't know my type at all. We're in a long-term relationship and I don't have any intention of finding anyone else. If she died I doubt I stay in Thailand and certainly wouldn't be looking for another woman. Maybe you can jump from relationship to relationship quickly, but not all of us want to live like that. So good luck with that.

[BookMan]

Downtown Inn people and those Canadian girls both died in similar circumstances.

They died in their sleep as far as I'm aware.

You must only be reading the official police reports

[moonbarman]

Returned in the morning from where.......I wonder........most of this tale is missing.

and also lived there for two years but had no door key, had to get security to open the door???.

[maidu]

About 8 years ago, there was a story out of Chiang Mai, where two farang men, in their late 30's/early 40's, ordinarily healthy, were found sprawed together on the ground floor of an Apt - dead. They were only in their underwear shorts. Upstairs was found some drug paraphanalia (can't recall what type?. Both their gf's/wives just happened to be out together at the time. Of course, no real investigation was done by authorities, and it was ruled drug overdose. Who's next?

[harryfrompattaya]

What school did they teach at?

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I heard a very expenisve international school.