Bullying Red Shirt Tenants Beat Elderly Landlord

[rixalex]

There's a handy sample of all political allegiances just waiting for you to interact with them, they are called Thais... perhaps you should get out and talk to a few?

I do every day thanks, it's just i try to stick to speaking for myself and my own opinion, not on behalf of other people, because for one, they can speak for themselves, and for two, without providing substantiating proof, there is no credibility to be quoting such people on a medium like this. For all we know, those red labourers of yours might just be a convenient product of your imagination, to back up your own beliefs. Not saying that that is the case, but how do we know? We don't.

[Moruya]

If the events did indeed occur as described (and I have no reason to think that they did not), it is a horrible, shameful event and the perpetrators should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Shirt color or political affiliation is irrelevant.

exactly, politicizing a case about four thugs like this is absolutely ridiculous.

No it isn't. How many more cases like this are happening around Thailand because these unelected red shirt bullies think they are part of the government, have all kinds of power and are untouchable?

Oh yes it is... Punch? Judy?

The journalist is quite obviously taking this incident and trying their best to clumsily twist it into a political propaganda piece. Red/ Yellow shirt sympathies aside if you can't see the obvious agenda here I'd venture you are a mite too gullible and it laces a huge question mark over your ability to discern fact from fiction, deliberate propaganda pieces from actual news...

So, which part of the rather factual article do you think is propaganda?

[rixalex]

How many times have Americans done something stupid/ illegal/ violent? Millions of times daily....

How many times have said Americans been condemned by the group and kicked out forthwith? Virtually never...

So it's fair game to label all Americans violent, stupid and aggressive people because large numbers of them happen to be just that? No of course it's not despite being encumbered by a slew of emotionally repressed, intellectually challenged buffoons, some of the very best people in the world hail from the US.

How many times have black people done something stupid/ illegal/ violent? Millions of times daily...

How many times have said black people been condemned by the group and kicked out forthwith? Bit difficult really, much like the reds/ yellows, taking off a shirt won't change their skin colour or indeed their political sympathies...

Fair to label all black people violent, stupid and aggressive people because some happen to be just that?

Shall I continue or are you starting to get the point here, namely the alleged actions of a few people are not grounds to generalise about an entire group...

To continue your desperate line of twisted analogy arguing, how about:

How many times has a human done something stupid/ illegal/ violent? Millions of times daily....

How many times has said human been condemned by the group and kicked out forthwith? Virtually never..

It may have escaped your attention, but Blacks, American, humans, do not belong to groups by virtue of the colour of their skin, their nationality or their species, that they can be kicked out of. Nobody asks you to join, nobody asks you to leave, it's how you are born for goodness sake.

[Ferangled]

It seems to me that you just read the bits of the article that you want to read and agree with and ignore the rest of it blaming the culprits who identified themselves very clearly as red shirt guards. More than a bit one-eyed

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I must have read a different article to you. You must mean the alleged culprits as I have read nothing that suggests any convictions have been made or even charges brought... indeed we have only a journalists account of what the Landlord and his wife have alleged, we don't even have the other side of the story and no statement from the men being accused.

What exactly leads you to believe that they identified themselves very clearly as red shirt guards? Do you have some additional information to share about this incident or are you going on the journalist's write up of what Mrs Chalee claimed and taking this as as gospel truth?

Does no one else see the rather obvious holes in this story regarding the electrical supply, the apparent initial spark to this confrontation?

"Filing the complaint was the victim’s wife, Mrs. Chalee Chaisang, age 67, living in Laem Chabang, Sriracha. Ms. Chalee said several tenants had been illegally tapping into electricity from an electric pole connected to her house meter. The Sriracha electricity authority had already cut out the meter due to failure to pay the electric bill."

The tenants were illegally tapping electricity from Mrs Chalee's meter. Mrs Chalee didn't pay the bill and had her meter removed as a result. So the property had no electrical supply but the tenants were demanding that they reconnect to a meter that had already been removed? Wow they must have been an unreasonable bunch... perhaps they expected a working electricity supply to be part of their rental package?

How many people here are aware of the regular electricity scams used by Thai Landlords? It's where they charge tenants a vastly inflated unit rate and then pocket the difference between the actual rate and that they are charging onto their tenants. Now was Mrs Chalee renting rooms with no electricity at all? If not why did her tenants feel the need to tap into her electricity supply? Were they perhaps being shafted on the electricity rates which led them to illegally tap into the meter which the Chalee's then had removed to levy control over their tenants and ensure that they paid above the odds for their electricity?

Who knows what really happened but there's certainly more to this incident than it seems and it would appear prudent to wait for both sides of the story before using this as a stick to bash all red shirts with! We have one side of this incident, a deliberately biased write up and no actual supporting facts, the only evidence being the allegations made by the Landlord and his wife. For me that's not enough to hang draw and quarter the men involved, let alone use their alleged actions as definitive proof that all red shirts are violent thugs. That would seem a bit "one-eyed" to me, if that actually means blinkered/ biased...

[mrtoad]

Will they be able to get legal support from the Government, as I am sure this was all in the name of democracy

[Ferangled]

How many times have Americans done something stupid/ illegal/ violent? Millions of times daily....

How many times have said Americans been condemned by the group and kicked out forthwith? Virtually never...

So it's fair game to label all Americans violent, stupid and aggressive people because large numbers of them happen to be just that? No of course it's not despite being encumbered by a slew of emotionally repressed, intellectually challenged buffoons, some of the very best people in the world hail from the US.

How many times have black people done something stupid/ illegal/ violent? Millions of times daily...

How many times have said black people been condemned by the group and kicked out forthwith? Bit difficult really, much like the reds/ yellows, taking off a shirt won't change their skin colour or indeed their political sympathies...

Fair to label all black people violent, stupid and aggressive people because some happen to be just that?

Shall I continue or are you starting to get the point here, namely the alleged actions of a few people are not grounds to generalise about an entire group...

To continue your desperate line of twisted analogy arguing, how about:

How many times has a human done something stupid/ illegal/ violent? Millions of times daily....

How many times has said human been condemned by the group and kicked out forthwith? Virtually never..

It may have escaped your attention, but Blacks, American, humans, do not belong to groups by virtue of the colour of their skin, their nationality or their species, that they can be kicked out of. Nobody asks you to join, nobody asks you to leave, it's how you are born for goodness sake.

And Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Atheists, Red shirts, Yellow shirts are they "born this way" or because they have chosen to join these groups do the alleged actions of certain members of these groups automatically define the entire group?

No twisting here, you could simply spin your question back to yourself and substitute red for yellow but given your political fervour I thought more obvious examples showing how ridiculous this broad generalisation is might appeal to even your sensibilities... evidently not.

[Banzai99]

Again I ask, Why would these animals believe that being a redshirt not only places them above the laws but societies morals as well?

Yeah, who do they think they are, Farangs ?

[Lancelot]

My hunch is that these guys are common criminals that legitimize themselves by claiming to be Red Shirt soldiers or what ever. A better move would be for the real Red Shirt powers to be beat the crap out of these thugs and have them apologize, then make restitution.

How low on the social scale do you have to be to"legitimize" yourself by claiming to be a red shirt? You got one thing right though - the red shirt solution to a problem is to beat the crap out of someone, and then take their money.

You are entitled to your own opinion but you are mistating my words. My post is very clear that the thugs are probably not real red shirts and the real red shirts should make it clear that they will not condone abuse by persons claiming to be.

I also said that the thugs should be made to make restitution. Thats not taking money from others

[rixalex]

And Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Atheists, Red shirts, Yellow shirts are they "born this way" or because they have chosen to join these groups do the alleged actions of certain members of these groups automatically define the entire group?

No twisting here, you could simply spin your question back to yourself and substitute red for yellow but given your political fervour I thought more obvious examples showing how ridiculous this broad generalisation is might appeal to even your sensibilities... evidently not.

No twisting? Chubby Checker couldn't have done a better job.

You can't stop someone believing in Christ, you can't stop someone being an American, you can't stop someone being black, you can't stop someone being a human.. you can stop a member of a political group being affiliated with that group. How? You kick them out. It's not difficult. It's what any responsible group would do to members that act in a manner the group disapproves of and a manner that the group does not want reflected on them.

[Fookhaht]

The most upsetting thing about this report is that the the headline editor labeled a 53-year-old as "elderly."

Where I come from, that's solidly in the center of "middle-aged," at which stage I was an avid snowboarder and climbed several peaks over 3,000m.

[Moruya]

It seems to me that you just read the bits of the article that you want to read and agree with and ignore the rest of it blaming the culprits who identified themselves very clearly as red shirt guards. More than a bit one-eyed

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I must have read a different article to you. You must mean the alleged culprits as I have read nothing that suggests any convictions have been made or even charges brought... indeed we have only a journalists account of what the Landlord and his wife have alleged, we don't even have the other side of the story and no statement from the men being accused.

What exactly leads you to believe that they identified themselves very clearly as red shirt guards? Do you have some additional information to share about this incident or are you going on the journalist's write up of what Mrs Chalee claimed and taking this as as gospel truth?

Does no one else see the rather obvious holes in this story regarding the electrical supply, the apparent initial spark to this confrontation?

"Filing the complaint was the victim’s wife, Mrs. Chalee Chaisang, age 67, living in Laem Chabang, Sriracha. Ms. Chalee said several tenants had been illegally tapping into electricity from an electric pole connected to her house meter. The Sriracha electricity authority had already cut out the meter due to failure to pay the electric bill."

The tenants were illegally tapping electricity from Mrs Chalee's meter. Mrs Chalee didn't pay the bill and had her meter removed as a result. So the property had no electrical supply but the tenants were demanding that they reconnect to a meter that had already been removed? Wow they must have been an unreasonable bunch... perhaps they expected a working electricity supply to be part of their rental package?

How many people here are aware of the regular electricity scams used by Thai Landlords? It's where they charge tenants a vastly inflated unit rate and then pocket the difference between the actual rate and that they are charging onto their tenants. Now was Mrs Chalee renting rooms with no electricity at all? If not why did her tenants feel the need to tap into her electricity supply? Were they perhaps being shafted on the electricity rates which led them to illegally tap into the meter which the Chalee's then had removed to levy control over their tenants and ensure that they paid above the odds for their electricity?

Who knows what really happened but there's certainly more to this incident than it seems and it would appear prudent to wait for both sides of the story before using this as a stick to bash all red shirts with! We have one side of this incident, a deliberately biased write up and no actual supporting facts, the only evidence being the allegations made by the Landlord and his wife. For me that's not enough to hang draw and quarter the men involved, let alone use their alleged actions as definitive proof that all red shirts are violent thugs. That would seem a bit "one-eyed" to me, if that actually means blinkered/ biased...

We don't just have the journalist's view, we have the interviews from the landlords.

The reason the electricity had been cut was that the tenants had been bypassing their own individual meters and stealing from the direct supply.

You talk about hearing only the journalist's "write-up" and then start inventing new branches of the story yourself by saying that the landlord was ripping off the tenents

In short - your post is a pack of one-eyed rubbish

[Ferangled]

It seems to me that you just read the bits of the article that you want to read and agree with and ignore the rest of it blaming the culprits who identified themselves very clearly as red shirt guards. More than a bit one-eyed

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I must have read a different article to you. You must mean the alleged culprits as I have read nothing that suggests any convictions have been made or even charges brought... indeed we have only a journalists account of what the Landlord and his wife have alleged, we don't even have the other side of the story and no statement from the men being accused.

What exactly leads you to believe that they identified themselves very clearly as red shirt guards? Do you have some additional information to share about this incident or are you going on the journalist's write up of what Mrs Chalee claimed and taking this as as gospel truth?

Does no one else see the rather obvious holes in this story regarding the electrical supply, the apparent initial spark to this confrontation?

"Filing the complaint was the victim’s wife, Mrs. Chalee Chaisang, age 67, living in Laem Chabang, Sriracha. Ms. Chalee said several tenants had been illegally tapping into electricity from an electric pole connected to her house meter. The Sriracha electricity authority had already cut out the meter due to failure to pay the electric bill."

The tenants were illegally tapping electricity from Mrs Chalee's meter. Mrs Chalee didn't pay the bill and had her meter removed as a result. So the property had no electrical supply but the tenants were demanding that they reconnect to a meter that had already been removed? Wow they must have been an unreasonable bunch... perhaps they expected a working electricity supply to be part of their rental package?

How many people here are aware of the regular electricity scams used by Thai Landlords? It's where they charge tenants a vastly inflated unit rate and then pocket the difference between the actual rate and that they are charging onto their tenants. Now was Mrs Chalee renting rooms with no electricity at all? If not why did her tenants feel the need to tap into her electricity supply? Were they perhaps being shafted on the electricity rates which led them to illegally tap into the meter which the Chalee's then had removed to levy control over their tenants and ensure that they paid above the odds for their electricity?

Who knows what really happened but there's certainly more to this incident than it seems and it would appear prudent to wait for both sides of the story before using this as a stick to bash all red shirts with! We have one side of this incident, a deliberately biased write up and no actual supporting facts, the only evidence being the allegations made by the Landlord and his wife. For me that's not enough to hang draw and quarter the men involved, let alone use their alleged actions as definitive proof that all red shirts are violent thugs. That would seem a bit "one-eyed" to me, if that actually means blinkered/ biased...

We don't just have the journalist's view, we have the interviews from the landlords.

The reason the electricity had been cut was that the tenants had been bypassing their own individual meters and stealing from the direct supply.

You talk about hearing only the journalist's "write-up" and then start inventing new branches of the story yourself by saying that the landlord was ripping off the tenents

In short - your post is a pack of one-eyed rubbish

No actually I haven't suggested anything but just injected some reality into proceedings. Landlords scamming tenants on unit prices is common in Thailand. Ignore this reality if you like. This story sticks out like a sore thumb because it's the absolute reverse of the personal experiences most people I know have had renting in Thailand.

I haven't suggested that this is the case in this incident but that perhaps a more reasonable stance might be to listen to both sides of the story and not simply take a journalists account of other people's recollections as fact. Wild thinking!

I'm afraid the journalists view is totally irrelevant and what we have is actually the journalists (very biased) account of the Landlord's story. Not even a witness statement... pretty shaky ground to start throwing wild generalisations around in my opinion.

[Nickymaster]

What do you expect from those red thugs when their leaders and master act as if they are above the law...

[Docno]

Later Mr. Pin was brought home to recover from his injuries. On the 4th day Mr. Pin regained consciousness. He realized he had been beaten until he was severely injured, so he came to notify the police to prosecute the suspects further according to the law.

Comatosed for four days thats a hells of a beating for a 70 year old guy, these guys are bloody animals. I guess being a redshirt not only places them above the laws but societies morals as well.

What's more, the beating aged him 17 years from 53 to 70! I'm sure that was just an oversight due to your exuberance.

Moreover, 53 years old = "elderly"??? I feel like this article has aged me also!

[Nickymaster]

Come on guys, show some respect for the man who has been beaten up by these red thugs. Stop trying to justify criminal behavior.

Same as what happened in Bangkok during 2010. Millions of people's lives had been terrorized by the thugs. Still there are people on these forums who don't give a dam and keep on protecting these criminals.

Shame on you.

[Nickymaster]

In this case if the red shirts were innocent, one of their "leaders" would have come out to defend them.

Since the propaganda machine is silent we can assume that the old poor man's story is accurate.

[rixalex]

And Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Atheists, Red shirts, Yellow shirts are they "born this way" or because they have chosen to join these groups do the alleged actions of certain members of these groups automatically define the entire group?

No twisting here, you could simply spin your question back to yourself and substitute red for yellow but given your political fervour I thought more obvious examples showing how ridiculous this broad generalisation is might appeal to even your sensibilities... evidently not.

No twisting? Chubby Checker couldn't have done a better job.

You can't stop someone believing in Christ, you can't stop someone being an American, you can't stop someone being black, you can't stop someone being a human.. you can stop a member of a political group being affiliated with that group. How? You kick them out. It's not difficult. It's what any responsible group would do to members that act in a manner the group disapproves of and a manner that the group does not want reflected on them.

You can't stop someone believing in Christ but you can stop someone believing in their chosen political party... if you say so!

Let me get this straight, you are suggesting that these alleged members of the red shirts should be "kicked out" for alleged offences and that because they haven't it's fair game to tar all red shirts as violent thugs... how does that logic work with the charges levied against Abhisit and the Democrats?

He is alleged to be responsible for murder, surely by your own logic that makes the entire Democrat party a gang of violent murderous thugs? It must be fair to label them all as such because they haven't distanced themselves from the alleged murderer... no matter that there's been no conviction, he hasn't yet had a chance to defend himself from these allegations, the allegations have been made so it's quite right to assume that he is in fact a murderer and by proxy all Dems are murderous thugs.

I'm sorry but I just don't subscribe to your kangaroo court style reasoning.

I agree that in the case of this story, it needs to be established whether they were red shirt members or not, and whether they have done what they are being accused of. If it is established that they were and that they did, well then they should be kicked out of the group. If upon being kicked out they wish to still go on believing in that group, fine, up to them, but at least their future actions won't in any way reflect on the group because everyone will know that the group has already kicked them out and wants nothing to do with them.

Sadly though, in the case of all the other past stories involving red shirt members doing something stupid/illgeal/violent, i can't recall one single occasion in which a member has been kicked out. It seems that you can't either...

[drdoom6996]

A taste of things to come if these animals ever manage to control this country 100%.

Agreed, after they get what they want, they just want more. And for FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Red Shirts = THUGS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Vinny1967]

Firstly there's no proof yet that they were red shirt officials.

Secondly it's about a poor man having the crap knocked out of him by a group of thugs.Happens every day in Thailand and every colour shirt is guilty of it.

Thirdly you lot need to take a look at yourselves.Arguing and bickering here about yellow and red shirts.You're arguing about something you've no control over or any say about.You're like a group of children arguing about who has the best daddy or whatever.If you want to pick sides then go play a playstation

[Ferangled]

Since the propaganda machine is silent we can assume that the old poor man's story is accurate.

You obviously missed the OP, the propaganda machine is alive and kicking... the headline gives a fairly lucid clue!

[rixalex]

Firstly there's no proof yet that they were red shirt officials.

Secondly it's about a poor man having the crap knocked out of him by a group of thugs.Happens every day in Thailand and every colour shirt is guilty of it.

Thirdly you lot need to take a look at yourselves.Arguing and bickering here about yellow and red shirts.You're arguing about something you've no control over or any say about.You're like a group of children arguing about who has the best daddy or whatever.If you want to pick sides then go play a playstation

Plenty of things in life we have no control over or say about.. doesn't stop people having an opinion.

Nobody is knocking on your door with any of this... if people expressing an opinion bothers you, perhaps you should do something that doesn't happen to involve reading the political forum... perhaps you should be the one playing the playstation...

[gl555]

Come on guys, show some respect for the man who has been beaten up by these red thugs. Stop trying to justify criminal behavior.

Same as what happened in Bangkok during 2010. Millions of people's lives had been terrorized by the thugs. Still there are people on these forums who don't give a dam and keep on protecting these criminals.

Shame on you.

Of course the red apologists are going to justify the criminal behavior of one of their own. These people think the crap of red shirts don't stink.

[smedly]

you guys are wasting your time trying to argue with "Falangled", he is always right and puts up some of the most warped misplaced stupid arguments on TV - he's right up there with the other four redshirt twisters on this forum, best to just ignore him completely, personally I don't believe one word he types and treat his posts as such

[Ferangled]

And Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Atheists, Red shirts, Yellow shirts are they "born this way" or because they have chosen to join these groups do the alleged actions of certain members of these groups automatically define the entire group?

No twisting here, you could simply spin your question back to yourself and substitute red for yellow but given your political fervour I thought more obvious examples showing how ridiculous this broad generalisation is might appeal to even your sensibilities... evidently not.

No twisting? Chubby Checker couldn't have done a better job.

You can't stop someone believing in Christ, you can't stop someone being an American, you can't stop someone being black, you can't stop someone being a human.. you can stop a member of a political group being affiliated with that group. How? You kick them out. It's not difficult. It's what any responsible group would do to members that act in a manner the group disapproves of and a manner that the group does not want reflected on them.

You can't stop someone believing in Christ but you can stop someone believing in their chosen political party... if you say so!

Let me get this straight, you are suggesting that these alleged members of the red shirts should be "kicked out" for alleged offences and that because they haven't it's fair game to tar all red shirts as violent thugs... how does that logic work with the charges levied against Abhisit and the Democrats?

He is alleged to be responsible for murder, surely by your own logic that makes the entire Democrat party a gang of violent murderous thugs? It must be fair to label them all as such because they haven't distanced themselves from the alleged murderer... no matter that there's been no conviction, he hasn't yet had a chance to defend himself from these allegations, the allegations have been made so it's quite right to assume that he is in fact a murderer and by proxy all Dems are murderous thugs.

I'm sorry but I just don't subscribe to your kangaroo court style reasoning.

I agree that in the case of this story, it needs to be established whether they were red shirt members or not, and whether they have done what they are being accused of. If it is established that they were and that they did, well then they should be kicked out of the group. If upon being kicked out they wish to still go on believing in that group, fine, up to them, but at least their future actions won't in any way reflect on the group because everyone will know that the group has already kicked them out and wants nothing to do with them.

Sadly though, in the case of all the other past stories involving red shirt members doing something stupid/illgeal/violent, i can't recall one single occasion in which a member has been kicked out. It seems that you can't either...

To be fair though do you recall any yellows being kicked out over their violent behaviour? The problem you have here is that supporting a political party does not mean mandatory membership and neither of us know whether these men were actually in the employ of the party or not. Anyone is free to wear any colour short they choose and support who they choose, their actions not necessarily representative of the ideals they support. Until charges are brought and the men are convicted it would seem pretty ridiculous to expect anyone to "kick them out". This premise of innocent until proven guilty etc... I now it's sometimes inconvenient for some but it's quite an important law in protecting the rights of all to a fair trial.

Clearly beating up and intimidating elderly people is not an acceptable way for any member of society to behave and if this story proves to be true then I'm sure we all would hope to see those responsible punished for their crime. That said politicising the issue in such a crude fashion is not helping anyone here. The same members who have pointed out the hypocrisy of the current administration apparently targeting Abhisit whilst preaching reconciliation seem unable to apply similar logic to themselves when faced with such a bare faced piece of deliberate propaganda. It's not even debatable that this piece has been deliberately presented with a political agenda in mind, it's freaking obvious, right from the headline!

This is the real hurdle to reconciliation the fact that both sides supporters are so blinkered and unable to discern facts from fiction. When farang on TV are so zealous in their political views of Thailand, how do we expect the populace to rise above the BS? Western educated commentators can't but we expect those being directly fed this constant stream of BS from both sides to do so... It's this gutter journalism that really holds Thailand hostage, free the media and peoples minds will follow. The country deserves an impartial source to turn to that exposes the real ills on both sides, follows up on their stories and asks the right questions... red or yellow propaganda pieces help no one.

[gl555]

This is the real hurdle to reconciliation the fact that both sides supporters are so blinkered and unable to discern facts from fiction. When farang on TV are so zealous in their political views of Thailand, how do we expect the populace to rise above the BS? Western educated commentators can't but we expect those being directly fed this constant stream of BS from both sides to do so... It's this gutter journalism that really holds Thailand hostage, free the media and peoples minds will follow. The country deserves an impartial source to turn to that exposes the real ills on both sides, follows up on their stories and asks the right questions... red or yellow propaganda pieces help no one.

I don't recall any cases where a yellow shirt beat up a senior citizen over electricity.

[Ferangled]

you guys are wasting your time trying to argue with "Falangled", he is always right and puts up some of the most warped misplaced stupid arguments on TV - he's right up there with the other four redshirt twisters on this forum, best to just ignore him completely, personally I don't believe one word he types and treat his posts as such

Come on guys, show some respect for the man who has been beaten up by these red thugs. Stop trying to justify criminal behavior.

Same as what happened in Bangkok during 2010. Millions of people's lives had been terrorized by the thugs. Still there are people on these forums who don't give a dam and keep on protecting these criminals.

Shame on you.

Of course the red apologists are going to justify the criminal behavior of one of their own. These people think the crap of red shirts don't stink.

You know it's just these types of fervent posts that add such weight to your opinions!

It's a pleasure to see you guys engaging your brains and coming out with such a valued critique of the situation. Enlightening as to the topic? No, but it leaves us in little doubt over how your opinions are formed or how you react to those that hold opinions that differ from your own.

It's pretty easy to understand how easily the press manipulates people when confronted with this sort of intellect. People or sheeple?

[rubl]

This is the real hurdle to reconciliation the fact that both sides supporters are so blinkered and unable to discern facts from fiction. When farang on TV are so zealous in their political views of Thailand, how do we expect the populace to rise above the BS? Western educated commentators can't but we expect those being directly fed this constant stream of BS from both sides to do so... It's this gutter journalism that really holds Thailand hostage, free the media and peoples minds will follow. The country deserves an impartial source to turn to that exposes the real ills on both sides, follows up on their stories and asks the right questions... red or yellow propaganda pieces help no one.

From my post #20:

"The interesting part here is that most seems to easily believe that thugs will pose as red-shirts smearing the good name of those peaceful fellows. With Thai people having no problem understanding that red-shirt guards working for a minister not only behave like that, but also seem to have something like a right (or mandate?) to do so. Now that's reconciliation at it's best."

[gl555]

you guys are wasting your time trying to argue with "Falangled", he is always right and puts up some of the most warped misplaced stupid arguments on TV - he's right up there with the other four redshirt twisters on this forum, best to just ignore him completely, personally I don't believe one word he types and treat his posts as such

Come on guys, show some respect for the man who has been beaten up by these red thugs. Stop trying to justify criminal behavior.

Same as what happened in Bangkok during 2010. Millions of people's lives had been terrorized by the thugs. Still there are people on these forums who don't give a dam and keep on protecting these criminals.

Shame on you.

Of course the red apologists are going to justify the criminal behavior of one of their own. These people think the crap of red shirts don't stink.

You know it's just these types of fervent posts that add such weight to your opinions!

It's a pleasure to see you guys engaging your brains and coming out with such a valued critique of the situation. Enlightening as to the topic? No, but it leaves us in little doubt over how your opinions are formed or how you react to those that hold opinions that differ from your own.

It's pretty easy to understand how easily the press manipulates people when confronted with this sort of intellect. People or sheeple?

It's not that the press manipulates people like us easily. It's because we know what kind of people these red shirts are and stories like these aren't surprising.

[Nickymaster]

Since the propaganda machine is silent we can assume that the old poor man's story is accurate.

You obviously missed the OP, the propaganda machine is alive and kicking... the headline gives a fairly lucid clue!

You obviously forgot that we had earlier agreed that we would not comment on each other’s posts.

[rixalex]

I agree that in the case of this story, it needs to be established whether they were red shirt members or not, and whether they have done what they are being accused of. If it is established that they were and that they did, well then they should be kicked out of the group. If upon being kicked out they wish to still go on believing in that group, fine, up to them, but at least their future actions won't in any way reflect on the group because everyone will know that the group has already kicked them out and wants nothing to do with them.

Sadly though, in the case of all the other past stories involving red shirt members doing something stupid/illgeal/violent, i can't recall one single occasion in which a member has been kicked out. It seems that you can't either...

To be fair though do you recall any yellows being kicked out over their violent behaviour?

I think this is the nub of your problem. You can't offer any argument against what i have said about the principle of members of groups who act violently or illegally, being kicked out of their group and condemned, particularly if they are found to have been committing those acts whilst in some way under the banner of that group - which does appear to be the case here - and you can't offer any reasonable explanation for why in the multitude of previous cases involving red shirts acting illegally or violently, not one single person has ever been expelled from that group. What actually bothers you is that it is somehow not fair to mention any of this without in the same breath mentioning the yellows and how they are equally as guilty. Why didn't you just say that from the start, rather than giving us all this desperate defending of groups who don't expel violent members, and giving us all these excuses as to why they don't/can't, and all the silly twisted analogies, such as the one about blacks who, would you believe, don't expel other black people from continuing to be black when they do bad things?

The yellows are as bad as the reds. There, said it. Can you now agree that if these men are indeed found to be red shirts who used the name of that group whilst doing some illegal violent thoroughly unpleasant stuff, that the red movement should both condemn them and publicly renounce their involvement. Can you also now agree that going on past history, the chances of that actually happening is almost zero? Can you also now agree that not condemning and renouncing such people, does reflect on the whole group, whether that be a fair reflection or not?