When Will Thailand Catch Up?

[Wes Turner]

Why do the thais are getting ahead with fashion and all what they copy from us the makeup and magazines and mtv all basically the surface stuff but all the importants things are passing them by lijke organisation skills and policing.

If they want to be the same as us in the west they have a LOT of catching up to do.Grown women still being secretive about having a sex live. kids, the elderlyand the disabled sat in the gutter begging both those are shocking, we past that almost 100 years ago.. car ownership being seen as an important economic achievement thats 30 years behind us. :D undrinkable tap water we had when my gran was a kid. There still a lot of bad driving and lawlessnes and police corruption its like children put in charge of a country.

Is there anything wecan do to help & would they listen?

Edited February 21, 2006 by Wes Turner

[Patex]

Is there anything wecan do to help & would they listen?

No and No .

The first step in the right direction would be to find imense resorces of oil on Thaisoil, then let us declare them as terrorists and finaly "free"'em .

[Martin]

On the subject of "catching up", I just read this on another thread:

A boat docked in a tiny Thai fishing village. An American tourist complimented the Thai fisherman on the quality of his fish and asked how long it took him to catch them.

"Not very long," answered the Thai. "But then, why didn't you stay out longer and catch more?" asked the American.

The Thai explained that his small catch was sufficient to meet his needs and those of his family. The American asked, "But what do you do with the rest of your time?"

"I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, and take a siesta with my wife. In the evenings, I go into the village to see my friends, have a few drinks, play the guitar, and sing a few songs... I have a full life."

The American interrupted, "I have an MBA from Harvard and I can help you! You should start by fishing longer every day. You can then sell the extra fish you catch. With the extra revenue, you can buy a bigger boat."

"And after that?" asked the Thai.

"With the extra money the larger boat will bring, you can buy a second one and a third one and so on until you have an entire fleet of trawlers. Instead of selling your fish to a middle man, you can then negotiate directly with the processing plants and maybe even open your own plant.

You can then leave this little village and move to Bangkok, Singapore, or even Hong Kong! From there you can direct your huge new enterprise."

"How long would that take?" asked the Thai.

"Twenty, perhaps twenty-five years," replied the American.

"And after that?"

"Afterwards? Well my Friend, That's when it gets really interesting," answered the American, laughing. "When your business gets really big, you can start selling stocks and make millions!"

"Millions? Really? And after that?" said the Thai.

"After that you'll be able to retire, live in a tiny village near the coast, sleep late, play with your children, catch a few fish, take a siesta with your wife and spend your evenings drinking and enjoying your friends."

And the moral is: Know where you're going in life... you may already be there.

More seriously, the things that the OP is pointing to are very much "Capital City thinking". But when the dollar tanks, and Western industrialisation all goes pear-shaped, they will seem small beer.

[Wes Turner]

On the subject of "catching up", I just read this on another thread:

A boat docked in a tiny Thai fishing village. An American tourist complimented the Thai fisherman on the quality of his fish and asked how long it took him to catch them.

"Not very long," answered the Thai. "But then, why didn't you stay out longer and catch more?" asked the American.

The Thai explained that his small catch was sufficient to meet his needs and those of his family. The American asked, "But what do you do with the rest of your time?"

"I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, and take a siesta with my wife. In the evenings, I go into the village to see my friends, have a few drinks, play the guitar, and sing a few songs... I have a full life."

The American interrupted, "I have an MBA from Harvard and I can help you! You should start by fishing longer every day. You can then sell the extra fish you catch. With the extra revenue, you can buy a bigger boat."

"And after that?" asked the Thai.

"With the extra money the larger boat will bring, you can buy a second one and a third one and so on until you have an entire fleet of trawlers. Instead of selling your fish to a middle man, you can then negotiate directly with the processing plants and maybe even open your own plant.

You can then leave this little village and move to Bangkok, Singapore, or even Hong Kong! From there you can direct your huge new enterprise."

"How long would that take?" asked the Thai.

"Twenty, perhaps twenty-five years," replied the American.

"And after that?"

"Afterwards? Well my Friend, That's when it gets really interesting," answered the American, laughing. "When your business gets really big, you can start selling stocks and make millions!"

"Millions? Really? And after that?" said the Thai.

"After that you'll be able to retire, live in a tiny village near the coast, sleep late, play with your children, catch a few fish, take a siesta with your wife and spend your evenings drinking and enjoying your friends."

And the moral is: Know where you're going in life... you may already be there.

More seriously, the things that the OP is pointing to are very much "Capital City thinking". But when the dollar tanks, and Western industrialisation all goes pear-shaped, they will seem small beer.

How good was that reply? martin that was great!

know where your going in life you may already be there, it does make you think. what do we work our asses off for, or what did we work them off for?

I won the Canada lottery, not a huge win but i dont have to work again if i am careful. but i would rather have a little job than no job.

[zzap]

Why do the thais are getting ahead with fashion and all what they copy from us the makeup and magazines and mtv all basically the surface stuff but all the importants things are passing them by lijke organisation skills and policing.

If they want to be the same as us in the west they have a LOT of catching up to do.Grown women still being secretive about having a sex live. kids, the elderlyand the disabled sat in the gutter begging both those are shocking, we past that almost 100 years ago.. car ownership being seen as an important economic achievement thats 30 years behind us. :D undrinkable tap water we had when my gran was a kid. There still a lot of bad driving and lawlessnes and police corruption its like children put in charge of a country.

Is there anything wecan do to help & would they listen?

Being less patronising would be a good starting point.

[Sing_Sling]

Why do the thais are getting ahead with fashion and all what they copy from us the makeup and magazines and mtv all basically the surface stuff but all the importants things are passing them by lijke organisation skills and policing.

If they want to be the same as us in the west they have a LOT of catching up to do.Grown women still being secretive about having a sex live. kids, the elderlyand the disabled sat in the gutter begging both those are shocking, we past that almost 100 years ago.. car ownership being seen as an important economic achievement thats 30 years behind us. :D undrinkable tap water we had when my gran was a kid. There still a lot of bad driving and lawlessnes and police corruption its like children put in charge of a country.

Is there anything wecan do to help & would they listen?

Being less patronising would be a good starting point.

Yes, less patronising would be good and expressing yourself with better English when taking the mickey out of Thais.

[steveromagnino]

Why do the thais are getting ahead with fashion and all what they copy from us the makeup and magazines and mtv all basically the surface stuff but all the importants things are passing them by lijke organisation skills and policing.

If they want to be the same as us in the west they have a LOT of catching up to do.Grown women still being secretive about having a sex live. kids, the elderlyand the disabled sat in the gutter begging both those are shocking, we past that almost 100 years ago.. car ownership being seen as an important economic achievement thats 30 years behind us. :D undrinkable tap water we had when my gran was a kid. There still a lot of bad driving and lawlessnes and police corruption its like children put in charge of a country.

Is there anything wecan do to help & would they listen?

not copying you mate, that is for sure. fashion is mostly Korean/Japanese style, most certainly not from, er, where are you from again, America or Canada?! Not exactly the most sought after.... if you are French, well you lead the world in fashion and make up, everyone knows that.

Grown women secretive about sex - how is this a sign of development other than for you to realise your own fantasies? And aren't you married? You need some marriage counselling?!

Kids and beggars - sad, but try going to Santa Monica USA, rich area of USA (where you are from, either that or that little country next door, forgot which) and you'll see beggars just the same.

car ownership seen as important - er...check out car ownership of USA per capita, and importance of that

undrinkable tap water corruption and bad traffic...all true.

If you think this has anything to do with country development and this is a definitive list, you have an extremely limited view of the world and of Thailand. There are ample reasons for Thailand's lack of development (and conversely a ton of reasons for why USA has had its day in the sun for quite a while) - I doubt your summary of these points adds much other than the corruption point.

Based on most of your other posts (e.g. your idea of a jet ski sidecar, offers of sex to someone bemoaning the lack of dates here and an itchy back ) I suspect that there are lots of things you COULD do to help here. (see, I do read your stuff )

- you have time to work for a charity organisation

- spend time with an anti corruption organisation

- work as a volunteer teacher (but not in anything to do with intellectual property, marine activities or er, sex)

- write a book

The question is, how many of the people on this board do anything other than sit around whining? There are a few I know of that are trying to make this world (and this country) a better place.... best way to go is to start with investing your own time in what you believe.

But start but looking at where Thailand should be going and why. Your original post is kind of insulting, and if you cannot see that, then perhaps you could start by reading a book on how to be, er, less patronising. At least the bit of Thailand that comes in contact with you would be slightly happier

[Stephen Cleary]

Why do the thais are getting ahead with fashion and all what they copy from us the makeup and magazines and mtv all basically the surface stuff but all the importants things are passing them by lijke organisation skills and policing.

If they want to be the same as us in the west they have a LOT of catching up to do.Grown women still being secretive about having a sex live. kids, the elderlyand the disabled sat in the gutter begging both those are shocking, we past that almost 100 years ago.. car ownership being seen as an important economic achievement thats 30 years behind us. :D undrinkable tap water we had when my gran was a kid. There still a lot of bad driving and lawlessnes and police corruption its like children put in charge of a country.

Is there anything wecan do to help & would they listen?

As the other Steve pointed out - Thailand stopped copying western fashion donkeys years ago!

Make-up, magazines and mtv - Thailand prefer their own, or for the trendier youngsters - a bitta Korean and japanese. Ameriacn style went out - donkeys years ago.

In Thailand, the locals treat their elderly with respect. In Farangland, the elderly are subjected to old-peoples homes lacking any self-dignity.

Perhaps this 'wind-up' Wes guy has never stepped foot in Farangland! I have seen more beggars on the streets of London and New York than Bangkok!

This Wes guy just sounds like an angry Farang who has become disillusioned with Thailand and ought to go back home to Farangland. Probably just been through a hard relationship or something like that; we ought to pity him. (that bit he wrote on Thai Women/secretive sex life........wonder where he got that from? his ex?)

[Thaising]

Don't compare apple with orange, What you can afford here you may not afford in the west. Simple as that. Ask yourself why you come LOS in the first place - to complains or to compare?

[gburns57au]

On the subject of "catching up", I just read this on another thread:

A boat docked in a tiny Thai fishing village. An American tourist complimented the Thai fisherman on the quality of his fish and asked how long it took him to catch them.

"Not very long," answered the Thai. "But then, why didn't you stay out longer and catch more?" asked the American.

The Thai explained that his small catch was sufficient to meet his needs and those of his family. The American asked, "But what do you do with the rest of your time?"

"I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, and take a siesta with my wife. In the evenings, I go into the village to see my friends, have a few drinks, play the guitar, and sing a few songs... I have a full life."

The American interrupted, "I have an MBA from Harvard and I can help you! You should start by fishing longer every day. You can then sell the extra fish you catch. With the extra revenue, you can buy a bigger boat."

"And after that?" asked the Thai.

"With the extra money the larger boat will bring, you can buy a second one and a third one and so on until you have an entire fleet of trawlers. Instead of selling your fish to a middle man, you can then negotiate directly with the processing plants and maybe even open your own plant.

You can then leave this little village and move to Bangkok, Singapore, or even Hong Kong! From there you can direct your huge new enterprise."

"How long would that take?" asked the Thai.

"Twenty, perhaps twenty-five years," replied the American.

"And after that?"

"Afterwards? Well my Friend, That's when it gets really interesting," answered the American, laughing. "When your business gets really big, you can start selling stocks and make millions!"

"Millions? Really? And after that?" said the Thai.

"After that you'll be able to retire, live in a tiny village near the coast, sleep late, play with your children, catch a few fish, take a siesta with your wife and spend your evenings drinking and enjoying your friends."

And the moral is: Know where you're going in life... you may already be there.

More seriously, the things that the OP is pointing to are very much "Capital City thinking". But when the dollar tanks, and Western industrialisation all goes pear-shaped, they will seem small beer.

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[englishoak]

OP Got to say you sound like the old colonial British in India. "bloody natives" "blasted <deleted>" "stupid ignorant peasents". Not mabe in those words but the inference is there, clear as day.

The western world has it so correct right ? Things in the west are degrading not improving.

1.Corruption has evolved from simple obvious examples to stealth taxes,contracts,world politics furthering a hidden agendas.The game is the same only bigger

2.Personal debt to the excess that often spending is double the income. Lack of care,savings to the point that old age poverty will surpass that of the 1920's. Will the children help? mabe but with an awful lot of complaining and moaning.

3.So the car ownership importance/status thing is past in the west eh? yea right and we're so good at driving that you can't afford insurance if under 21

4.Drinkable tapwater so good it's got more chemicals than is good for you,bottled water is a good option but at about 80bht a litre it's so expensive it's unaffordable for regular use.

5 Don't even get me stared on crime statistics or respect for the elderly

You belong somewhere else other than thailand and are a perfect example of the western ideal. I suspect you are here because of the money only but expect the standard to be met. Having your cake and eating it, so to speak. Typical

Sometimes progress has a price theat is far too high. In twenty years mabe you will see an improvement in all the points you have mentioned I expect you will be moaning about the cost and the good old days.

[Tippaporn]

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Seconded, Burnsy! Such a simple parable but owing such profundity that it creates reactions such as yours. Other than the original post in which the above appeared I've seen it pasted in another where it's message was also apropos.

OP Got to say you sound like the old colonial British in India. "bloody natives" "blasted <deleted>" "stupid ignorant peasents". Not mabe in those words but the inference is there, clear as day.

The western world has it so correct right ? Things in the west are degrading not improving.

1.Corruption has evolved from simple obvious examples to stealth taxes,contracts,world politics furthering a hidden agendas.The game is the same only bigger

2.Personal debt to the excess that often spending is double the income. Lack of care,savings to the point that old age poverty will surpass that of the 1920's. Will the children help? mabe but with an awful lot of complaining and moaning.

3.So the car ownership importance/status thing is past in the west eh? yea right and we're so good at driving that you can't afford insurance if under 21

4.Drinkable tapwater so good it's got more chemicals than is good for you,bottled water is a good option but at about 80bht a litre it's so expensive it's unaffordable for regular use.

5 Don't even get me stared on crime statistics or respect for the elderly

You belong somewhere else other than thailand and are a perfect example of the western ideal. I suspect you are here because of the money only but expect the standard to be met. Having your cake and eating it, so to speak. Typical

Sometimes progress has a price that is far too high. In twenty years mabe you will see an improvement in all the points you have mentioned I expect you will be moaning about the cost and the good old days.

Well put, englishoak. My summation: So much searching for flaws whilst being blind to one's own.

Edited February 21, 2006 by Tippaporn

[Wes Turner]

Give me a break guys I am the most positive guy you could meet i dont understand why you say i'm whining??? I was just saying that Thais are a bit behind, but you all jump on me??? Same as back home as soon as guys know you won the lottery they all start bitching like jealous girls and suddenly the ex needsmore money for your son whos doing fine anyway.

I was all happy when i started this topic and now lyou have made me use annoyed smiles because thats what i am now after reading this bullshit.

Ok i admit i did overlook that there are old beggars in Toronto but the point is I can help the Thais get good business sense and maybe tarmac the roads for starters.

Thailand is a wonderfukl country but parts of it need a leg up into the 21st century dig?

[malw71]

I think you're the one who needs to catch up.

[Patex]

Hi Wes,

I like your posts, I think they are funny ( how many Smilies one have to use for everybody is knowing : " Hey, it's a joke! No need to be serious, just have fun!"??

Why this willful missunderstanding? Boredom, quarrelsomeness?

[Tippaporn]

Give me a break guys I am the most positive guy you could meet i dont understand why you say i'm whining??? I was just saying that Thais are a bit behind, but you all jump on me??? Same as back home as soon as guys know you won the lottery they all start bitching like jealous girls and suddenly the ex needsmore money for your son whos doing fine anyway.

I was all happy when i started this topic and now lyou have made me use annoyed smiles because thats what i am now after reading this bullshit.

Ok i admit i did overlook that there are old beggars in Toronto but the point is I can help the Thais get good business sense and maybe tarmac the roads for starters.

Thailand is a wonderfukl country but parts of it need a leg up into the 21st century dig?

Here's my interpretation as to why you're getting flak.

Why do the thais are getting ahead with fashion and all what they copy from us the makeup and magazines and mtv all basically the surface stuff but all the importants things are passing them by lijke organisation skills and policing.

Just like any culture Thais will look around the rest of the world and imitate aspects that they like. It's not a "Thai thing." And just like any other culture there will always be aspects that seem "backwards" and which can be improved upon. Whenever people start to generalize about Thailand and point out aspects about it while coming across (intentionally or not) that these aspects don't exist anywhere else in the world then expect to hear otherwise.

If they want to be the same as us in the west they have a LOT of catching up to do.

That's strictly an assumption, and a huge one at that. Who can honestly claim that the Thais want to be like "us?" Maybe some Thais do and probably many do not. And "to be like us" means what? In what ways? I'm sure that there will never be a unaminous consensus of what the definition of that means. Hence, it would probably be impossible to even define "to be like us."

Beyond that there's a natural implication within that statement that reads, "We've got it all right while they don't," and another underlying judgement that "we're" better than they are. People perceive those rather hidden statements and react accordingly, usually with contempt towards your attitude since it's one of righteousness and belittlement.

Grown women still being secretive about having a sex live. kids, the elderlyand the disabled sat in the gutter begging both those are shocking, we past that almost 100 years ago.. car ownership being seen as an important economic achievement thats 30 years behind us. :D undrinkable tap water we had when my gran was a kid. There still a lot of bad driving and lawlessnes and police corruption its like children put in charge of a country.

Besides coming across that the west has all but obliterated these issues, which is hardly the case, the above expresses strongly the sentiment that the west is light years ahead of Thailand. Furthermore, absolute puzzlement and disbelief as to why they haven't woken up yet along with a degree of reprove. Even ridicule, as expressed by your many cheesy emoticons along with the outright analogous opinion that children are in charge of the country. That borders on arrogance; or perhaps it just is pure arrogance. Look out!

There isn't a single country in the world that does not have faults in the sense that attitudes could be improved upon. There's no thing such as the perfect country. But then again, you could very well say that any country is perfect as it is since it's big and varied enough to offer the precise type of experience you're looking for. And that specific experience is always relevant to personal, individual preferences which means that what bothers some doesn't bother others, be it about Thai driving or any other aspect (which aspects, BTW, vary greatly even within themselves).

As to lawlessness and police corruption, while it is rather more openly practiced here and generally filters down to levels much lower than in the west it has been pointed out elsewhere in this thread that compared to the backroom wheelings and dealings within governments of the west it's trifling. That's not to justify it's existence because of it's smaller scale in terms of fleecing the general public but my God, how can you point out the faults here while so blatantly ignoring the faults back "home," which can only make it appear that the west has these issues all under control? The omission becomes almost comical to some.

Is there anything wecan do to help & would they listen?

Thailand doesn't need our help, IMHO. And who are we to look upon ourselves as saviours to the world? Do you prefer the missionary life? By all means offer what you feel as improvements but it would behoove you to do so without the accompanying feeling that the recipient is doomed if your advice is not taken. If your attitude while offering is that of attempting to fix something that's broken then no, they would not listen. Who would?

Enjoy what Thailand has to offer. Take what you will and leave the rest alone. Rather than trying to change a country and culture you'd be much further ahead to change yourself by adapting. That doesn't mean you have to accept everything that is on the plate but you can choose what you like and again, leave the rest alone. Makes for a much more pleasant experience, IMHO.

[zzap]

"Same as back home as soon as guys know you won the lottery they all start bitching like jealous girls and suddenly the ex needsmore money for your son whos doing fine anyway. annoyed.gif annoyed.gif"

You haven't won a lottery and noone is asking you for money or anything.

A bit of a sad character, trying to feel better about himself by looking down on Thais, and it seems, fellow members, unintentionally providing entertainment for everyone in the proces....

[englishoak]

Ok i admit i did overlook that there are old beggars in Toronto but the point is I can help the Thais get good business sense and maybe tarmac the roads for starters

Again your having a colonialist dig, tarmac the roads The last time I checked you could find tarmaced roads if you looked hard enough

As for the lottery win well I don't think you'll find that most of us will bother PMing you for a hand out.

My advice is enjoy your fortune, stop telling everyone ( or mabe you'll get a bit too much attention) and leave your judgemental preconceptions of the world back home.

Chok dee

[RooBoy]

Why is it Yanks always think they have the answers to the worlds problems?? Talk about making the same mistake over and over again!

Do you not realise that all the things you are complaining about are far more apparent in the US?? Just the road issue is a laugh, the Thai roads I have driven on upcountry are FAR better than most back home in OZ and waaay better than US roads (and I have driven on most Thai highways and surrounding back roads). Even my US mates agree their roads are worse than Thailand generally, and far dirtier, there is far less shit thrown up on Thai roads IME.

Maybe you should go back to the US and try to help your own people, they need it more than the Thais!!

[britmaveric]

Why is it Yanks always think they have the answers to the worlds problems?? Talk about making the same mistake over and over again!

Do you not realise that all the things you are complaining about are far more apparent in the US?? Just the road issue is a laugh, the Thai roads I have driven on upcountry are FAR better than most back home in OZ and waaay better than US roads (and I have driven on most Thai highways and surrounding back roads). Even my US mates agree their roads are worse than Thailand generally, and far dirtier, there is far less shit thrown up on Thai roads IME.

Maybe you should go back to the US and try to help your own people, they need it more than the Thais!!

Roo the <deleted> is Canadian!!!

[RooBoy]

Roo the <deleted> is Canadian!!!

They are all the same right??

Having avoided canada I must concede to only know about the roads from family members visits, but comments are still valid, STAY in Canada!! hehe, you can tell its too farkin early in the morning!

[Donz]

Wes Turner is a idiot by the sounds of it.

Sounds like a grumpy man who trying to take a swipe at Thailand because his woman left him.

Why do you want Thailand to be like the US??

[Guest endure]

Hopefully never

[thaibebop]

How come no one nice ever wins the lottery?

[Kerryd]

Roo the <deleted> is Canadian!!!

They are all the same right??

Having avoided canada I must concede to only know about the roads from family members visits, but comments are still valid, STAY in Canada!! hehe, you can tell its too farkin early in the morning!

Bite me RooBoy !! (unless you want me to start saying that all Aussies and Kiwis are the same ? )

I'll have you know that some of the roads in Canada are paved (just not the ones where I used to live). Back in the Great White North, I have 3 ways to travel. Pick-Up truck in the summer, snow-machine (ski-doo) in the winter, and ice-skates when I want to shortcut across the lakes and rivers

Hard to tell if the roads are paved or not, when they are buried under layers of snow and ice for most of the year

Then again, just about every movie I've seen that was shot Down Under, shows DIRT ROADS ! Especially when watching that great show: Crocodile Hunter (is that guy still alive ?)

[Martin]

As a lad, they told me that "One man's meat is another man's poison".

I am now coming to see that "one man's decadence is another man's delight".

The more I look at the West from the East, the more I see the West as decadent.

(But it is really just that, as a lad in the West, I was conditioned into believing that what we did was all done for the purest of motives and we were the 'best in the best of all possible worlds'.)

As Buddha said: "It's all delusion".

[Sing_Sling]

I was all happy when i started this topic and now lyou have made me use annoyed smiles because thats what i am now after reading this bullshit.

You really are a sad git. I don't mean to be jumping on the bandwagon, but you are definitely a sad little man who has won (won, not earned) some money and now thinks he knows best. sad, sad, git.

All of these posts are 'bullshit' according to you and they have made you use annoyed smilies? Poor diddums. Sorry.

Git.

Why is it that you are getting blasted by every single poster here? Ever thought that you may be totally off base with your comments and the majority here actually may be correct? Or is it too easy for you to sit in a bar chugging down the beer while watching what's going on around you and knowing you can do it so much better - btw, what exactly was your profession back in Canada? Must have been something quite important to know about social ills, urban infrastructure, economics and crime prevention.

(Judging by your spelling and writing style you certainly do lack education)

legend, total legend

[Old Croc]

How come no one nice ever wins the lottery?

I won once.

[Tippaporn]

How come no one nice ever wins the lottery?

I won once.

Old Croc, care to take a poll to see how many TV members think you're nice?

[AmeriThai]

No need for people to get Wes riled up. After all, he's trying to offer a fine revolutionary plan that can help Thailand catch up.

kids, the elderlyand the disabled sat in the gutter begging both those are shocking, we past that almost 100 years ago..

I agree. That was at least 100 years ago. You never see any people living under bridges these days in Farangland. Yes indeed, life is very good for everyone there. Streets paved with gold are there for the picking.

The Good Life

Western Equality

Ok i admit i did overlook that there are old beggars in Toronto but the point is I can help the Thais get good business sense and maybe tarmac the roads for starters.

WOW! Now that’s an excellent idea! May I suggest a few Thai ‘students’ to start with who’d love some help to learn some good business sense? I’ll bet you’ll have Thailand caught up with financial independence in no time.

Student 1

Student 2

Student 3

Student 4