webfact Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Alleged killer of Kiwi now on the run SHANE COWLISHAW PATTAYA: -- The alleged murderer of a Wellington man stabbed to death in Thailand was allowed to leave the country and is now on the run. Robert Hollick, 43, from Upper Hutt, was stabbed with a knife three times in his neck and back during a bar fight in the coastal town of Pattaya in August. Police arrested a 40-year-old Swede, Andreas Ringvall, and charged him with murder. His Thai girlfriend was also detained. Now, Mr Hollick's mother Anne Hollick has learnt Ringvall has been on the run for months. After the stabbing, Ringvall's girlfriend told police Mr Hollick started the fight, but witnesses said Ringvall caused the trouble after the woman began playing with Mr Hollick's dog. The girlfriend was sent back to her room and Ringvall returned with a knife, stabbing Mr Hollick, they said. Ringvall was bailed days after being arrested, but Ms Hollick said she was shocked to discover that he had been allowed to return to Sweden in late October for "family reasons". The Foreign Affairs and Trade Ministry confirmed to her on Tuesday that Ringvall was missing. Ms Hollick said she was told that after Ringvall's court date in November came and went, the New Zealand embassy sent the court an official letter demanding information but received no reply. [more...] Full story: http://www.stuff.co....-now-on-the-run -- stuff 2013-01-10 related: Swedish Man Arrested For Allegedly Killing New Zealand Tourist In Pattaya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdenner Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) Yep, Thai justice at it's best! Wonder when we'll see the extradition? Edited January 10, 2013 by bdenner 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario2008 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Or a trail in Sweden. That might be another option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post noitom Posted January 10, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2013 It is amazing how the Thais seem to intimidate the major foreign embassies in to fear and inaction. The foreign embassies seem to put up with lots of Thai incompetence, Thainess, bureaucracy and corruption, least of which is the lack of follow up on legal issues relating to foreign deaths and citizens. New Zealanders should be marching in front of the New Zealand embassy calling for action. All other citizens should be picketing their embassies to insist that Thais follow up on unsolved cases and information disclosure. Foreign press should be invited to the foreign embassies to write stories and press editorially for justice and closure. Enough is enough of this Thai thing. 35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MunterHunter Posted January 10, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2013 It is amazing how the Thais seem to intimidate the major foreign embassies in to fear and inaction. The foreign embassies seem to put up with lots of Thai incompetence, Thainess, bureaucracy and corruption, least of which is the lack of follow up on legal issues relating to foreign deaths and citizens. New Zealanders should be marching in front of the New Zealand embassy calling for action. All other citizens should be picketing their embassies to insist that Thais follow up on unsolved cases and information disclosure. Foreign press should be invited to the foreign embassies to write stories and press editorially for justice and closure. Enough is enough of this Thai thing. Lead on... ... and let me know how you get on with that. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post simple1 Posted January 10, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2013 Yep, Thai justice at it's best! Wonder when we'll see the extradition? The Extradition for Criminal Offences Act prohibits the extradition of Swedish nationals. However, Extradition is permitted, provided that the act for which extradition is requested is equivalent to a crime that is punishable under Swedish law by imprisonment for at least one year. I guess it's over to the NZ government to put pressure on the Thai authorities. Must of cost the alleged killer a lot of money to be released on bail & handed back his passport. Another shameful episode for the BIB. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DaamNaam Posted January 10, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2013 Disgraceful Thailand. Shame on you yet again. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post noddy77 Posted January 10, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2013 Couldn't agree more. Disgusting!! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FarangTalk Posted January 10, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2013 Par for the course in this Third World country. You can build all the shopping malls you like, it's still rotten at the core. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ferangled Posted January 10, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2013 Is he actually on the run? Is anyone actually actively looking for him in Sweden? I think the headline is a bit misleading .. Sounds like he was handed his passport by the police, released and simply booked and caught a flight home... now he's in Sweden unless someone fights for extradition I sincerely doubt anyone is actively seeking him in Sweden as he's not been charged with anything there. The jurisdiction of the Thai police ends in Thailand, so an active arrest warrant in Thailand when the Thai police know full well he's in Sweden is useless. If this isn't a blatant case of police/ court corruption in Thailand I don't know what is. Since when were murderers granted leave to travel home to spend Xmas with their family? 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 One of Thailand's favorite sons is on the run and try as they might, from some quarters, no extradition has been ordered, so why should this be any different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaamNaam Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Par for the course in this Third World country. You can build all the shopping malls you like, it's still rotten at the core. In a nutshell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dddave Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 It took years of intense pressure by the Dutch Embassy, spurred on by relentless family members to finally get justice from the Thai judicial system in the case of the prominent Dutch business man murdered by his wife and her lover in Pattaya a number of years ago. Whether the Kiwis have the same clout as the Dutch had is a good question. This case reminds me of the British man who killed his Thai wife on Soi Honey Inn in full view of dozens of witnesses about 6 or 7 years ago. He was eventually bailed out of jail (by the sister of the deceased, no less who got to keep the bar he had co owned with his wife) and AFIK, was never tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likewise Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) Weird, a friend of mine is involved in a court case, libel to be exact so far from murder yet he is not even allowed to go on a visa run and needs docs from the court which allows local immigration to extend his 90 days to another 90 days. Edited January 10, 2013 by likewise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MunterHunter Posted January 10, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2013 Weird, a friend of mine is involved in a court case, libel to be exact so far from murder yet he is not even allowed to go on a visa run and needs docs from the court which allows local immigration to extend his 90 days to another 90 days. He didn't pay the police enough $$$ yet. Or the guy who is taking him to court has paid more $$$ than your friend... ... either way, its down to $$$ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTao Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Amazing, the guy is on the run in his own country after committing a murder here, amazing. I know this is not the only country where this happens, but most countries have sysyems and checks in place to ensure it doesn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakename Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 If there is a death sentence hanging over his head, then Sweden wont send him back. He could be anywhere in the EU, but probably wouldnt be that hard to find him, if someone was looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likewise Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 How about Mr ALdhouse ? He got sent back, didn't he? So if they find this Swede they can send him back too if Sweden agrees to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I guess they can now close the file on this one. Farang kills farang why spend public money on a trail. I wouldn't be suprised if they paid for a 1st class ticket to sweden for him so they could write it off. What were his bail conditions, to disapear within 48 hours? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppmacready Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 It is amazing how the Thais seem to intimidate the major foreign embassies in to fear and inaction. The foreign embassies seem to put up with lots of Thai incompetence, Thainess, bureaucracy and corruption, least of which is the lack of follow up on legal issues relating to foreign deaths and citizens. New Zealanders should be marching in front of the New Zealand embassy calling for action. All other citizens should be picketing their embassies to insist that Thais follow up on unsolved cases and information disclosure. Foreign press should be invited to the foreign embassies to write stories and press editorially for justice and closure. Enough is enough of this Thai thing. Lead on... ... and let me know how you get on with that. Or Kiwis should just come here to enjoy a holiday, whilst keeping in mind, they are entering an uncivilised, corrupt, but cheap place to holiday, with all the baggage that entails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturebrit Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 It took years of intense pressure by the Dutch Embassy, spurred on by relentless family members to finally get justice from the Thai judicial system in the case of the prominent Dutch business man murdered by his wife and her lover in Pattaya a number of years ago.Whether the Kiwis have the same clout as the Dutch had is a good question. This case reminds me of the British man who killed his Thai wife on Soi Honey Inn in full view of dozens of witnesses about 6 or 7 years ago. He was eventually bailed out of jail (by the sister of the deceased, no less who got to keep the bar he had co owned with his wife) and AFIK, was never tried. yes it stinks......best judicial system money can buy Sent from my GT-N7000 using Thaivisa Connect App 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter88 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Do think any money changed hands during this saga? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newermonkey Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I always thought that "bail" gave the suspect the option of running away and lose the money? same as a payoff "pay your money and go". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehaigh Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Is he actually on the run? Is anyone actually actively looking for him in Sweden? I think the headline is a bit misleading .. Sounds like he was handed his passport by the police, released and simply booked and caught a flight home... now he's in Sweden unless someone fights for extradition I sincerely doubt anyone is actively seeking him in Sweden as he's not been charged with anything there. The jurisdiction of the Thai police ends in Thailand, so an active arrest warrant in Thailand when the Thai police know full well he's in Sweden is useless. If this isn't a blatant case of police/ court corruption in Thailand I don't know what is. Since when were murderers granted leave to travel home to spend Xmas with their family? sounds like your right, he'll get off scott free. what about Interpol? do they have any authority in a situation like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsailor35 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Disgraceful Thailand. Shame on you yet again. No matter what Thais think or whatever people say, Thailand is still a 3rd world country. I just hope that they loose face BIG time in the worlds community over this one 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsailor35 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 One of Thailand's favorite sons is on the run and try as they might, from some quarters, no extradition has been ordered, so why should this be any different There ya go again ! can't help yourself , can Ya ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I guess they can now close the file on this one. Farang kills farang why spend public money on a trail. I wouldn't be suprised if they paid for a 1st class ticket to sweden for him so they could write it off. What were his bail conditions, to disapear within 48 hours? I think you're right on the money - a very likely senario 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsailor35 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 "I'm going to the Olympics....I'll come back I promise" - Thaksin Shinawatra You set a precedent and that's what happens. Yes, but this Swede is not running from a corrupt un -elected government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie23 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I'd like to think I'd be shocked and surprised by all this. I would be if it were anywhere else in the world. How someone is allowed to go home having been charged with this crime is beyond me. I wonder whether anyone in Sweden is actively looking for this guy with a view to sending him back a'la Aldhouse. Hmmmm........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tomtomtom69 Posted January 10, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) I guess they can now close the file on this one. Farang kills farang why spend public money on a trail. I wouldn't be suprised if they paid for a 1st class ticket to sweden for him so they could write it off. What were his bail conditions, to disapear within 48 hours? What are you trying to say, "farang" or a western life is cheap? This case happened in Thailand and yes, should be tried here. Sweden could make a demand that the defendant is not subject to the death penalty in order to allow him to be extradited. On the other hand, if Sweden is demanding wikileaks founder Julian Assange is extradited by England to Sweden for a "mere" sexual assault claim, then surely an extradition to another country for a murder committed by a Swede in another foreign country (Thailand) should be OK? Otherwise Sweden would not be playing by international rules. Normally western countries do things by the book, with no corruption or unreasonable negotiation being possible, so I would be VERY surprised if they didn't hand over this suspect, eventually at least. He is a murderer and needs to be dealt with - similarly the Thais need to prosecute foreigners for crimes committed against other foreigners on their soil just as well as they prosecute locals that end up murdering foreigners. Edited January 10, 2013 by Tomtomtom69 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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