Clinton Formally Steps Down As U S Secretary Of State

[DiNiro]

And with her departure we will never find out what really happened in Benghazi.

The cover up is holding for now.

What we do know was that those brave men fought an Alamo type battle for 7 hours before being killed. One of the dead ex seals had a laser targeting device. They felt a rescue mission would be coming. However obama told the dept of defense to "stand down".

Hours later Hillary was telling the cover up story about some trailer for some video which had only been viewed a couple hundred times.

Later Susan Rice would be asked to fall on her sword for repeating this lie cover up.

At the time Stephanie Cutter & David Plouff were running the government.

From my perspective obama is guilty of far more serious crimes than Richard Nixon ever dreamed about.

However with the media existing only to shield obama from scandal nothing more will ever be done.

Thanks for quoting the Rush Limbaugh program.

[Jingthing]

Wonderful parting shot slamming the Benghazi critics from hopefully the NEXT president of the United States:

“There are some people in politics and in the press who can’t be confused by the facts,” she said. “They just will not live in an evidence-based world. And that’s regrettable. It’s regrettable for our political system and for the people who serve our government in very dangerous, difficult circumstances.”

Hillary Clinton Edited February 3, 2013 by Jingthing

[JLCrab]

OR JT as former Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan put it: Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts.

BTW DPM was US Senator from NY State whose seat upon his retirement was won by the former First Lady HRC.

[chuckd]

From The WSJ (via Time 02NOV2012):

The U.S. effort in Benghazi was at its heart a CIA operation, according to officials briefed on the intelligence. Of the more than 30 American officials evacuated from Benghazi following the deadly assault, only seven worked for the State Department. Nearly all the rest worked for the CIA, under diplomatic cover, which was a principal purpose of the consulate, these officials said.

Who was in charge of facilities and security in Libya...the State Department or the CIA?

[DavoTheGun]

From The WSJ (via Time 02NOV2012):

The U.S. effort in Benghazi was at its heart a CIA operation, according to officials briefed on the intelligence. Of the more than 30 American officials evacuated from Benghazi following the deadly assault, only seven worked for the State Department. Nearly all the rest worked for the CIA, under diplomatic cover, which was a principal purpose of the consulate, these officials said.

Who was in charge of facilities and security in Libya...the State Department or the CIA?

Without any doubt, the CIA !! Big Time.

[chuckd]

From The WSJ (via Time 02NOV2012):

The U.S. effort in Benghazi was at its heart a CIA operation, according to officials briefed on the intelligence. Of the more than 30 American officials evacuated from Benghazi following the deadly assault, only seven worked for the State Department. Nearly all the rest worked for the CIA, under diplomatic cover, which was a principal purpose of the consulate, these officials said.

Who was in charge of facilities and security in Libya...the State Department or the CIA?

Without any doubt, the CIA !! Big Time.

Another expert voices an opinion.

[JLCrab]

Actually Chuckster, the US Marines were in charge: From the halls of MonteZu-ooma to the shores of Tripoli ...

[chuckd]

Actually Chuckster, the US Marines were in charge: From the halls of MonteZu-ooma to the shores of Tripoli ...

Actually Mr. Crab, there were no US Marines assigned to Libya, in spite of what their anthem claims.

An earlier decision by the State Department refused to assign Marines to Libya. It was "under review".

[lannarebirth]

The Secretary of State is the chief government diplomat. In America that means they are the "carrot" and the military is the "stick". Seeing as how that stick's been worn down to a toothpick as the current administrations policies are setting a continent on fire, I give her failing marks. It's not entirely her fault however as I don't believe Obama ever really gave her any authority to formulate policy. Consequently she spent her time in office raking up air miles.

The chief foreign policy success I've seen from this administration is the beginnings of a possible rapprochement with Burma, but IMO I think that was driven by the generals looking for a conterbalance to China.

[JLCrab]

Lyric change:

From the halls of Montezuma

To a Ben-gha-ZEE review

We will fight our countries battles when

Foggy Bottom says it's O-K to.

[Pakboong]

Hillary may be missed by few but I still miss former US Secretary of State (under George W Bush) Donald (Rummy) Rumsfeld:

There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say, we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don’t know we don’t know.

(From Wikipedia): The above statement was made by Rumsfeld on February 12, 2002 at a press briefing where he addressed the absence of evidence linking the government of Iraq with the supply of weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups.

Rumsfeld was Secretary of Defense

[JLCrab]

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from Post #41 Rumsfeld was Secretary of Defense

See post #27 above

Edited February 3, 2013 by JLCrab

[snarky66]

And that is what Sen. Rand Paul said during the hearings. To paraphrase, The American people deserved to hear the truth of what happened. Unfortunately the regime chooses to spin stuff to make it look like they are not incompetent. Then we get the fairy tales.

Mrs Clinton's reply was basically "after all this time with me having a blood clot, what does it really matter?"

A rescue force was only 1 hour away in Aviano Italy during the 7 hour fire fight.

Some might speculate that mr obama left them there to die.

That is certainly my take on it.

[rotary]

Çlinton has made lots of folks happy by stepping down, kinda of brings a tear to my own eye. I hope this is the last thing ever heard from her. She did a poor job.

Could you articulate what you mean by "poor job"... you know... like... with examples?

Sure lets start with the bombing in Libya that killed Stevens. I could fill a hard drive on Clinton but thats a start.

[JLCrab]

I'm sure when Jindal or Christie or Portman or Rubio or (fill-in the blank) ... takes over in JAN 2017 there will be a Secretary of State more to your liking. Meanwhile you've got Kerry. 'Guess some of the Swift boaters may still be on call.

Edited February 3, 2013 by JLCrab

[DavoTheGun]

Some of you people need to understand that the State Department lost what little control of the CIA they had once Obama arrived, they row there own boat, so to speak!

[Chicog]

A rescue force was only 1 hour away in Aviano Italy during the 7 hour fire fight.

Some might speculate that mr obama left them there to die.

That is certainly my take on it.

Speculate all you want, it doesn't stand up to any scrutiny, and it's little more than a pathetic personal slur.

[F430murci]

Hillary may be missed by few but I still miss former US Secretary of State (under George W Bush) Donald (Rummy) Rumsfeld:

There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say, we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don’t know we don’t know.

(From Wikipedia): The above statement was made by Rumsfeld on February 12, 2002 at a press briefing where he addressed the absence of evidence linking the government of Iraq with the supply of weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups.

Haha, I read that and it sounds like defensive double talking from a babbling idiot. All of that to say one does not know what one does not know. Brilliant! This was about consistent with many of his press conferences and his inability to answer very straight forward and simple questions. No doubt he was placed in a difficult situation, but was was a very poor orator which made him seem either senile or just "not a smart man" to quote Forrest Gump.

[snarky66]

Speculate all you want, it doesn't stand up to any scrutiny, and it's little more than a pathetic personal slur.

Another voice of those who do not wish to see obama held accountable for his malfeasance.

You are not alone NBC ABC CBS CNN & MSNBC share your view .

[F430murci]

Speculate all you want, it doesn't stand up to any scrutiny, and it's little more than a pathetic personal slur.

Another voice of those who do not wish to see obama held accountable for his malfeasance.

You are not alone NBC ABC CBS CNN & MSNBC share your view .

Just to be clear, are you saying he knew they were in danger, had a chance to save them, he did nothing and he then intentionally let them die?

[Chicog]

Speculate all you want, it doesn't stand up to any scrutiny, and it's little more than a pathetic personal slur.

Another voice of those who do not wish to see obama held accountable for his malfeasance.

You are not alone NBC ABC CBS CNN & MSNBC share your view .

I don't watch any of them (although I watched a few during the election). I do follow a variety of reputable (and some not so) news sources from across the political spectrum. It isn't hard to find facts, any more than it's possible to find paranoid pundits like Alex Jones. You're not alone, you share his view.

Edited February 3, 2013 by Chicog

[Groongthep]

She will not be missed by the blindered old American dinosaurs of Pattaya but she received an enthusthastic standing ovation from her State Department colleagues during her final appearance in Washington DC yesterday. She also enjoys very high approval ratings from the general American public. http://www.washingto...arded-congress/ Given the international public relations disaster left her by the previous administration she did a fabulous job. With such widespread support she could quite possibly be elected president in 2016.

Meanwhile..back in the real world...

1.) She did receive a standing ovation from her fellow State Department members. They loved her.

2.) She does enjoy very high public approval ratings.

3.) Being she is so popular she is clearly the front runner for the next Democratic nomination.

4.) Unless something drastic changes the Republicans will remain out of touch with the American electorate and will continue to lose elections.

So how is this out of touch with the real world? All your hoping for a corporate run, hawkish religion based Republican Party presidential election won't help you and your ilk. The American electorate is sick of you obstructionist fools.

Edited February 4, 2013 by Groongthep

[DavoTheGun]

She will not be missed by the blindered old American dinosaurs of Pattaya but she received an enthusthastic standing ovation from her State Department colleagues during her final appearance in Washington DC yesterday. She also enjoys very high approval ratings from the general American public. http://www.washingto...arded-congress/ Given the international public relations disaster left her by the previous administration she did a fabulous job. With such widespread support she could quite possibly be elected president in 2016.

Meanwhile..back in the real world...

1.) She did receive a standing ovation from her fellow State Department members. They loved her.

2.) She does enjoy very high public approval ratings.

3.) Being she is so popular she is clearly the front runner for the next Democratic nomination.

4.) Unless something drastic changes the Republicans will remain out of touch with the American electorate and will continue to lose elections.

So how is this out of touch with the real world? All your hoping for a corporate run, hawkish religion based Republican Party presidential election won't help you and your ilk. The American electorate is sick of you obstructionist fools.

How right you are!!

[lannarebirth]

She will not be missed by the blindered old American dinosaurs of Pattaya but she received an enthusthastic standing ovation from her State Department colleagues during her final appearance in Washington DC yesterday. She also enjoys very high approval ratings from the general American public. http://www.washingto...arded-congress/ Given the international public relations disaster left her by the previous administration she did a fabulous job. With such widespread support she could quite possibly be elected president in 2016.

Meanwhile..back in the real world...

1.) She did receive a standing ovation from her fellow State Department members. They loved her.

2.) She does enjoy very high public approval ratings.

3.) Being she is so popular she is clearly the front runner for the next Democratic nomination.

4.) Unless something drastic changes the Republicans will remain out of touch with the American electorate and will continue to lose elections.

So how is this out of touch with the real world? All your hoping for a corporate run, hawkish religion based Republican Party presidential election won't help you and your ilk. The American electorate is sick of you obstructionist fools.

I have no doubt that all of that it is true, but looking back just a bit, rather than forward, wouldn't you say her tenure as Secretary of State was marked by failure after failurer after failure? That is unless it is the goal of American foreign policy to aid Al Queda or groups akin to it, in rising to power across two continents. I admit that's possible, as foreign policy isn't always meant to be obvious or indeed rational to we mere citizens.

Edited February 4, 2013 by lannarebirth

[chuckd]

She will not be missed by the blindered old American dinosaurs of Pattaya but she received an enthusthastic standing ovation from her State Department colleagues during her final appearance in Washington DC yesterday. She also enjoys very high approval ratings from the general American public. http://www.washingto...arded-congress/ Given the international public relations disaster left her by the previous administration she did a fabulous job. With such widespread support she could quite possibly be elected president in 2016.

Meanwhile..back in the real world...

1.) She did receive a standing ovation from her fellow State Department members. They loved her.

2.) She does enjoy very high public approval ratings.

3.) Being she is so popular she is clearly the front runner for the next Democratic nomination.

4.) Unless something drastic changes the Republicans will remain out of touch with the American electorate and will continue to lose elections.

So how is this out of touch with the real world? All your hoping for a corporate run, hawkish religion based Republican Party presidential election won't help you and your ilk. The American electorate is sick of you obstructionist fools.

How right you are!!

Please tell us exactly what her accomplishments have been...besides getting a standing ovation from the people that worked for her.

What new frontiers has she opened up during the past four years?

I expect they gave John Kerry a standing ovation the day he arrived so what's the big deal about that?

[JLCrab]

What a bunch of armchair Monday morning secretary-of-whatever quarterbacks we have here. As to the failure-after-failure-after-failure my guess OBL might not agree with you.

Edited February 5, 2013 by JLCrab

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies have been deleted.

Please stay on topic.

[chuckd]

This testimony before the Senate says both Obama and Hillary were absent from the Benghazi situation while it happened.

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No Word from Hillary During Benghazi Attack...Panetta, Dempsey did not speak to Clinton.

12:55 PM, FEB 7, 2013 • BY MICHAEL WARREN

Neither the secretary of defense nor the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff spoke to the secretary of state during the 8-hour attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya on September 11, 2012. At a Thursday hearing in the Senate, Republican Ted Cruz asked both Leon Panetta and Martin Dempsey, "In between 9:42 p.m., Benghazi time, when the first attacks started, and 5:15 am, when Mr. Doherty and Mr. Woods lost their lives, what converations did either of you have with Secretary Clinton?"

"We did not have any conversations with Secretary Clinton," Panetta responded.

"And General Dempsey, the same is true for you?" Cruz asked. Dempsey confirmed this. Watch the video below:

http://www.weeklysta...ack_700410.html

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Panetta: Obama Absent Night of Benghazi

12:05 PM, FEB 7, 2013 • BY DANIEL HALPER

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta testified this morning on Capitol Hill that President Barack Obama was absent the night four Americans were murdered in Benghazi on September 11, 2012:

Panetta said, though he did meet with Obama at a 5 o'clock prescheduled gathering, the president left operational details, including knowledge of what resources were available to help the Americans under siege, "up to us."

In fact, Panetta says that the night of 9/11, he did not communicate with a single person at the White House. The attack resulted in the deaths of four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens.

Obama did not call or communicate in anyway with the defense secretary that night. There were no calls about what was going on in Benghazi. He never called to check-in.

http://www.weeklysta...azi_700405.html

Check links for testimony videos.

[Chicog]

So they were not notified. Whose fault is that?

[SteeleJoe]

Maybe,the job was too much for her.

What leads you to suggest that? Out of 65 Secretaries of State, only 15 have served longer. And many of those whom historians would regard as among our best served less.

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