Pheu Thai Party Is Pushing Forward To Annul Sukhumband's Win

[metisdead]

Posts with messed up quote headers have been removed as they are confusing as to who said what. There is a known bug and there is a patch on the way.

[longway]

If the PTP is trying to overturn the election results for the sake of one man on technicalities, then I expect the UDD to step in and make a stand against such manipulation. After all 80+ people died for the sake of upholding the results of elections and against judicial coups like these, didnt they?

If they don't, what does it say about them?

[siampolee]

This whole campaign being conducted on the orders of the puppet master show clearly just how democracy is viewed, the fact is it's a case of ''do it our way or no way.''

A wide panoramic view of Thaksins demonocracy democracy ideals.''What is mine is mine what you think is yours is also mine.''

Edited March 16, 2013 by siampolee

[MaxLee]

If Pheu Thai rules Bangkok, this is the end for Thailand and the beginning of the Thai-Chinese domination of more sinister corruption and crime.

[rixalex]

When he denied his involvement, the EC couldn't really do much (and probably were glad about this). As mentioned above, what proof was there? But we see now that he is involved, to the extent that he's now giving orders to the cabinet via Skype. OK, his ban is up now and he's allowed to be involved in politics... but he wasn't during the 2011 election and I find it a little hard to believe that MPs would give him any time unless he actually was involved all along.

OK, his ban is up now and he's allowed to be involved in politics

I think when you are an on the run convicted felon, being banned or not is something of a side issue with regards being allowed to be involved in politics, let alone allowed to head up a government.

Edited March 16, 2013 by rixalex

[OzMick]

Rather less than voted for PTP in the national election, who used rather more illegal tactics.

Which were amply documented and investigated by the Election Commission, just exactly where, OzMick?

I believe there were one or two red cards and a few yellows? You keep on mentioning these infractions but what were they unless only you and not the EC were aware of them?

Stop whining! There were many news reports and even threads on TVF re the EC investigating PTP's use of banned politicians (Thaksin) in their election campaign, and the putting forward of unsuitable candidates (Jatuporn and other red shirts facing serious criminal charges). The decision was deferred several times and has eventually faded from view, IMHO due to the threat of violence from PTP supporters.

Were you not in the country at the time?

I'll remember that one, if you don't agree with Oz micks spurious statements that the PTP won the last National Election using illegal means, it's what's known as whining.

Now surely logic would show that if the Election Commission had a problem with that Election it would have been made public by now and the continual harping on about banned politicians and "unsuitable" candidates over an election fairly won would in itself constitute "Whining". But who I am I to say, Oz mick was "in" the country which makes all the difference apparently.

Personally I will neither confirm or deny whether I was in the "country" at the time - purely and simply because it's the most ridiculous "method" of assessing veracity of Thai Political knowledge that I know of, but if it suits you..........

It seems the dog is too fat and/or lazy to hunt, so I have done the work for him.

Posted 2012-01-04 05:49:58

Party dissolution threats, charter amendments among top EC tasks

Prapasri Osathanont

THE NATION

The Election Commission and the Constitution Court are destined to make key decisions in this new year that could rewrite the political landscape.

........... Political activist Chaiwat Sinsuwong has accused the Pheu Thai, ........ of allowing banned politicians to wield influence over their executive boards.

..........Pheu Thai is accused of allowing banned politician Thaksin Shinawatra to influence its election campaign, with the slogan "Thaksin Thinks and Pheu Thai Acts".

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/523496-party-dissolution-threats-charter-amendments-among-top-ec-tasks-thailand/?hl=electoral+commission

There are several other threads on the vein, should you care to look. Now stop whining and eat my homework.

Edited March 16, 2013 by OzMick

[Thaddeus]

When he denied his involvement, the EC couldn't really do much (and probably were glad about this). As mentioned above, what proof was there? But we see now that he is involved, to the extent that he's now giving orders to the cabinet via Skype. OK, his ban is up now and he's allowed to be involved in politics... but he wasn't during the 2011 election and I find it a little hard to believe that MPs would give him any time unless he actually was involved all along.

OK, his ban is up now and he's allowed to be involved in politics

I think when you are an on the run convicted felon, being banned or not is something of a side issue with regards being allowed to be involved in politics, let alone allowed to head up a government.

Are convicted criminals even allowed to vote.

[ballpoint]

Stop whining! There were many news reports and even threads on TVF re the EC investigating PTP's use of banned politicians (Thaksin) in their election campaign, and the putting forward of unsuitable candidates (Jatuporn and other red shirts facing serious criminal charges). The decision was deferred several times and has eventually faded from view, IMHO due to the threat of violence from PTP supporters.

Were you not in the country at the time?

I'll remember that one, if you don't agree with Oz micks spurious statements that the PTP won the last National Election using illegal means, it's what's known as whining.

Now surely logic would show that if the Election Commission had a problem with that Election it would have been made public by now and the continual harping on about banned politicians and "unsuitable" candidates over an election fairly won would in itself constitute "Whining". But who I am I to say, Oz mick was "in" the country which makes all the difference apparently.

Personally I will neither confirm or deny whether I was in the "country" at the time - purely and simply because it's the most ridiculous "method" of assessing veracity of Thai Political knowledge that I know of, but if it suits you..........

It seems the dog is too fat and/or lazy to hunt, so I have done the work for him.

Posted 2012-01-04 05:49:58

Party dissolution threats, charter amendments among top EC tasks

Prapasri Osathanont

THE NATION

The Election Commission and the Constitution Court are destined to make key decisions in this new year that could rewrite the political landscape.

........... Political activist Chaiwat Sinsuwong has accused the Pheu Thai, ........ of allowing banned politicians to wield influence over their executive boards.

..........Pheu Thai is accused of allowing banned politician Thaksin Shinawatra to influence its election campaign, with the slogan "Thaksin Thinks and Pheu Thai Acts".

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/523496-party-dissolution-threats-charter-amendments-among-top-ec-tasks-thailand/?hl=electoral+commission

There are several other threads on the vein, should you care to look. Now stop whining and eat my homework.

He aint nothing but a hound dog. Cryin' all the time.

[otherstuff1957]

If the PTP is trying to overturn the election results for the sake of one man on technicalities, then I expect the UDD to step in and make a stand against such manipulation. After all 80+ people died for the sake of upholding the results of elections and against judicial coups like these, didnt they?

If they don't, what does it say about them?

You see, there are 'good judicial coups' and 'bad judicial coups'. Having your part repeatedly dissolved for electoral fraud is a 'bad judicial coup'. Having your opponent's election overthrown because he referred to your past actions and quoted things that you actually said is a 'good judicial coup'.

BTW, if Khunying Sodsri is involved in the EC's decision, we can expect the results to be whatever Thaksin tells her they should be.

Edited March 16, 2013 by otherstuff1957

[473geo]

Considering the failed election platform of the Democrats was "a vote for PTP is a vote for Thaksin", I don't think the idea that PTP should face dissolution for involving Thaksin is going to move too far forward. But this is Thailand.

[OzMick]

Considering the failed election platform of the Democrats was "a vote for PTP is a vote for Thaksin", I don't think the idea that PTP should face dissolution for involving Thaksin is going to move too far forward. But this is Thailand.

What strange piece of disjointed logic allows you to claim that electoral law is superseded by a popularity contest?

[rubl]

Considering the failed election platform of the Democrats was "a vote for PTP is a vote for Thaksin", I don't think the idea that PTP should face dissolution for involving Thaksin is going to move too far forward. But this is Thailand.

What strange piece of disjointed logic allows you to claim that electoral law is superseded by a popularity contest?

What strange piece of logic led our dear geo to talk about party dissolution in the first place? Isn't this topic on Pheu Thai pushing to get MR Sukhumbhant's victory annulled in order to push either their darling Pol. General Pongsapat forward, or the telephone pole k. Thaksin mentioned

[longway]

If the PTP is trying to overturn the election results for the sake of one man on technicalities, then I expect the UDD to step in and make a stand against such manipulation. After all 80+ people died for the sake of upholding the results of elections and against judicial coups like these, didnt they?

If they don't, what does it say about them?

You see, there are 'good judicial coups' and 'bad judicial coups'. Having your part repeatedly dissolved for electoral fraud is a 'bad judicial coup'. Having your opponent's election overthrown because he referred to your past actions and quoted things that you actually said is a 'good judicial coup'.

BTW, if Khunying Sodsri is involved in the EC's decision, we can expect the results to be whatever Thaksin tells her they should be.

You must be mistaken. Only the amart would try to alter the results of elections they dont like.

The OP can't have any truth in it anyway, Yingluck the real PM, did promise seamless co-operation from here on out after this unimportant election.

Edited March 16, 2013 by longway

[473geo]

Considering the failed election platform of the Democrats was "a vote for PTP is a vote for Thaksin", I don't think the idea that PTP should face dissolution for involving Thaksin is going to move too far forward. But this is Thailand.

What strange piece of disjointed logic allows you to claim that electoral law is superseded by a popularity contest?

The last 4 words Mick, but you pobably did not get that far....and because Yingluck won the popularity contest

[rubl]

Considering the failed election platform of the Democrats was "a vote for PTP is a vote for Thaksin", I don't think the idea that PTP should face dissolution for involving Thaksin is going to move too far forward. But this is Thailand.

What strange piece of disjointed logic allows you to claim that electoral law is superseded by a popularity contest?

The last 4 words Mick, but you pobably did not get that far....and because Yingluck won the popularity contest

In relation to the topic Ms. Yingluck may have won the popularity contest, but as non-participating outsider only, just like the telephone pole. Neither was registered as candidate

[473geo]

Considering the failed election platform of the Democrats was "a vote for PTP is a vote for Thaksin", I don't think the idea that PTP should face dissolution for involving Thaksin is going to move too far forward. But this is Thailand.

What strange piece of disjointed logic allows you to claim that electoral law is superseded by a popularity contest?

What strange piece of logic led our dear geo to talk about party dissolution in the first place? Isn't this topic on Pheu Thai pushing to get MR Sukhumbhant's victory annulled in order to push either their darling Pol. General Pongsapat forward, or the telephone pole k. Thaksin mentioned

i always like to add a little 'newness' to a discussion Rubl,, I easily tire of reading the same worn out comments, (the telephone pole being one example) as far as the topic, if the man broke the law he broke the law, if not, he will be govenor. What is to discuss, clearly PTP have decided to use the same methodology to fight their opponents that was used to dissolve Thai Rak Thai, so dissolution would be connected to the topic.

Edited March 16, 2013 by 473geo

[rubl]

Considering the failed election platform of the Democrats was "a vote for PTP is a vote for Thaksin", I don't think the idea that PTP should face dissolution for involving Thaksin is going to move too far forward. But this is Thailand.

What strange piece of disjointed logic allows you to claim that electoral law is superseded by a popularity contest?

What strange piece of logic led our dear geo to talk about party dissolution in the first place? Isn't this topic on Pheu Thai pushing to get MR Sukhumbhant's victory annulled in order to push either their darling Pol. General Pongsapat forward, or the telephone pole k. Thaksin mentioned

i always like to add a little 'newness' to a discussion Rubl,, I easily tire of reading the same worn out comments, (the telephone pole being one example) as far as the topic, if the man broke the law he broke the law, if not, he will be govenor. What is to discuss, clearly PTP have decided to use the same methodology to fight their opponents that was used to dissolve Thai Rak Thai, so dissolution would be connected to the topic.

Unlike you I like to stick to the topic which has Pheu Thai seeking annulment of election results, not dissolving parties. The two cases mentioned suggests petty behaviour from the Pheu Thai party which nicely smiling face and its candidate previously accepted the Bangkok governor election result, congratulated MR Sukhumbhant with his victory and promised seamless co-operation on all good policies.

But if you're really into dissolution, may I suggest to add Pheu Thai as well because of their red-shirt fans doctoring celebrity photo's suggesting they supported Pol. General Pongsapat. That seems like a clear case, just as clear as the two for which Pheu Thai wants annulment of the March 3rd elections.

BTW I'm still unclear about what will happen if the unimportant victory for Bangkok governor only is annulled. Pongsapat automatically declared winner, assuming he didn't resign from Pheu Thai and got into the Police Force again already? Pol. General Surisetip (or something like that) who ended 3rd? New elections in 45 days time, like begin of May? Obviously Bangkok can do without a governor for six months, BMA administration continuing as if nothing happened. Mind you, the Bangkok people who voted for a Bangkok governor might get a wee bit annoyed with all these shenanigans.

[473geo]

Funny Rubl, you view an attempt to check and uphold the law as 'petty'.....but others cannot reference, or mention similar topics......I think it is quite obvious where the 'petty' accusation should lie old boy. As far as any perceived infractions by PTP I am as ever compliant with the decisions upheld.....

Edited March 16, 2013 by 473geo

[rubl]

Funny Rubl, you view an attempt to check and uphold the law as 'petty'.....but others cannot reference, or mention similar topics......I think it is quite obvious where the 'petty' accusation should lie old boy. As far as any perceived infractions by PTP I am as ever compliant with the decisions upheld.....

Go search for the topic on "fake celebrity photo's", read all of it and then tell me what's petty and what's just plain pesky.

In the mean time I'm having an informal meeting with relatives of the telephone pole. They feel that as being so clearly visible in the Bangkok landscape they should have a vote in the Bangkok Governor elections. All of them are registered here as well

[473geo]

Funny Rubl, you view an attempt to check and uphold the law as 'petty'.....but others cannot reference, or mention similar topics......I think it is quite obvious where the 'petty' accusation should lie old boy. As far as any perceived infractions by PTP I am as ever compliant with the decisions upheld.....

Go search for the topic on "fake celebrity photo's", read all of it and then tell me what's petty and what's just plain pesky.

In the mean time I'm having an informal meeting with relatives of the telephone pole. They feel that as being so clearly visible in the Bangkok landscape they should have a vote in the Bangkok Governor elections. All of them are registered here as well

Surely the election of the telephone pole would be a disaster, it is rumoured he is well connected all over Bangkok, the possibility of a corrupted network is apparently high.

[pedro01]

When he denied his involvement, the EC couldn't really do much (and probably were glad about this). As mentioned above, what proof was there? But we see now that he is involved, to the extent that he's now giving orders to the cabinet via Skype. OK, his ban is up now and he's allowed to be involved in politics... but he wasn't during the 2011 election and I find it a little hard to believe that MPs would give him any time unless he actually was involved all along.

OK, his ban is up now and he's allowed to be involved in politics

I think when you are an on the run convicted felon, being banned or not is something of a side issue with regards being allowed to be involved in politics, let alone allowed to head up a government.

I think you have to do other things too - like get elected.

[scorecard]

Considering the failed election platform of the Democrats was "a vote for PTP is a vote for Thaksin", I don't think the idea that PTP should face dissolution for involving Thaksin is going to move too far forward. But this is Thailand.

What strange piece of disjointed logic allows you to claim that electoral law is superseded by a popularity contest?

What strange piece of logic led our dear geo to talk about party dissolution in the first place? Isn't this topic on Pheu Thai pushing to get MR Sukhumbhant's victory annulled in order to push either their darling Pol. General Pongsapat forward, or the telephone pole k. Thaksin mentioned

i always like to add a little 'newness' to a discussion Rubl,, I easily tire of reading the same worn out comments, (the telephone pole being one example) as far as the topic, if the man broke the law he broke the law, if not, he will be govenor. What is to discuss, clearly PTP have decided to use the same methodology to fight their opponents that was used to dissolve Thai Rak Thai, so dissolution would be connected to the topic.

Quote from above from geo "..... I easily tire of reading the same worn out comments....."

Well perhaps you might like to practice what you preach, you are a master at bringing up old worn out / much debated subjects.

Edited March 16, 2013 by scorecard

[473geo]

Quote from above from geo "..... I easily tire of reading the same worn out comments....."

Well perhaps you might like to practice what you preach, you are a master at bringing up old worn out / much debated subjects.

Unfortunately Scorecard you along with others do not appear to understand the difference between a reference to a topic and an invitation to debate the whole scenario again. Usually the perpetrators are those only too happy to roll out their oft repeated speil, photographs, upload utube vidoes, quote wifi, copy and paste from saved documents.......non of which you will see appearing in the majarity of my posts.....I trust this exposes your off topic accusation for what it is .....

[rametindallas]

"By any means necessary", Malcolm X (American radical quoting Jean Paul Sarte)

[waza]

Hmmm I guess these elections and judicial coups will keep happening till Thaksin is happy with the results.

[bigbamboo]

Considering the failed election platform of the Democrats was "a vote for PTP is a vote for Thaksin", I don't think the idea that PTP should face dissolution for involving Thaksin is going to move too far forward. But this is Thailand.

What strange piece of disjointed logic allows you to claim that electoral law is superseded by a popularity contest?

What strange piece of logic led our dear geo to talk about party dissolution in the first place? Isn't this topic on Pheu Thai pushing to get MR Sukhumbhant's victory annulled in order to push either their darling Pol. General Pongsapat forward, or the telephone pole k. Thaksin mentioned

i always like to add a little 'newness' to a discussion Rubl,, I easily tire of reading the same worn out comments, (the telephone pole being one example) as far as the topic, if the man broke the law he broke the law, if not, he will be govenor. What is to discuss, clearly PTP have decided to use the same methodology to fight their opponents that was used to dissolve Thai Rak Thai, so dissolution would be connected to the topic.

Why would PTP want another election in BKK?

They always lose anyway.

Edited March 16, 2013 by bigbamboo

[Buchholz]

quote wifi

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good one

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[hellodolly]

Well, the race was quite tight and nearly half of them did vote for PTP...

Rather less than voted for PTP in the national election, who used rather more illegal tactics.

Which were amply documented and investigated by the Election Commission, just exactly where, OzMick?

I believe there were one or two red cards and a few yellows? You keep on mentioning these infractions but what were they unless only you and not the EC were aware of them?

Stop whining! There were many news reports and even threads on TVF re the EC investigating PTP's use of banned politicians (Thaksin) in their election campaign, and the putting forward of unsuitable candidates (Jatuporn and other red shirts facing serious criminal charges). The decision was deferred several times and has eventually faded from view, IMHO due to the threat of violence from PTP supporters.

Were you not in the country at the time?

muttley

thinks it is OK

[473geo]

Carry on gentlemen pleased I can return some of the entertainment you guys consistently provide for me, acceptable comments to round off a thread where Geo has not surprigly overtaken the telephone pole as the hot topic.

[craigt3365]

A few off topic and "anal" posts have been removed from view. Please stay on topic and keep it civil.