Chinese Automobile Giant To Invest 9Bn Baht In Thailand

[FarangTalk]

Remember guys not that long ago we used to frown at KIA--HYundi now look at the styles and the luxury......same goes for Samsung LG we have to take the Chinese seriously----They dont make cars like LADA----remember Wartberg--- some people think These chinese products are the same NO they are a threat to Japan and Korean models--and give them a few years and most will be buying---same LG-from Hitachi--samsung from sanyo

As I posted earlier; it is natural progression in a fast growing, emerging economy.

China will surpass all World economies to dominate this century, of that there is no question. When they run out of resources to fuel this insatiable growth they will attempt to take them by force of expansion, just as the Japanese and Germans did during the 30's.

[ginjag]

Remember guys not that long ago we used to frown at KIA--HYundi now look at the styles and the luxury......same goes for Samsung LG we have to take the Chinese seriously----They dont make cars like LADA----remember Wartberg--- some people think These chinese products are the same NO they are a threat to Japan and Korean models--and give them a few years and most will be buying---same LG-from Hitachi--samsung from sanyo

As I posted earlier; it is natural progression in a fast growing, emerging economy.

China will surpass all World economies to dominate this century, of that there is no question. When they run out of resources to fuel this insatiable growth they will attempt to take them by force of expansion, just as the Japanese and Germans did during the 30's.

TRY could have been better. but agree in general. may well nibble and nibble and then find they are not Quite the power they thought.

[callao]

they sell chinese cars in laos resurrected the MG name, and I may buy a Wuling 4 door truck $8200 us new

[metisdead]

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[lemoncake]

Remember guys not that long ago we used to frown at KIA--HYundi now look at the styles and the luxury......same goes for Samsung LG we have to take the Chinese seriously----They dont make cars like LADA----remember Wartberg--- some people think These chinese products are the same NO they are a threat to Japan and Korean models--and give them a few years and most will be buying---same LG-from Hitachi--samsung from sanyo

As I posted earlier; it is natural progression in a fast growing, emerging economy.

China will surpass all World economies to dominate this century, of that there is no question. When they run out of resources to fuel this insatiable growth they will attempt to take them by force of expansion, just as the Japanese and Germans did during the 30's.

TRY could have been better. but agree in general. may well nibble and nibble and then find they are not Quite the power they thought.

The reality is people who have the money or loyal to some brands will never change, People with less money will shop for a cheaper car.

Young people will be the main target market, because instead of buying a used car, they could get a new Chinese made car.

[culicine]

that is good news. love to see that bilateral cooperation and Asian economy grow.

Perhaps. I suspect this is so they can more easily sell cheap sub-standard cars to Thailand and it's ASEAN neighbours.

How many Chery's d we see on the roads here? The Chinese will just use Thailand as a base to export their cars elsewhere. There is no way they will compete in the local market with the quality or Japanese cars made here; certainly not in the short term.

[Thai at Heart]

Remember guys not that long ago we used to frown at KIA--HYundi now look at the styles and the luxury......same goes for Samsung LG we have to take the Chinese seriously----They dont make cars like LADA----remember Wartberg--- some people think These chinese products are the same NO they are a threat to Japan and Korean models--and give them a few years and most will be buying---same LG-from Hitachi--samsung from sanyo

As I posted earlier; it is natural progression in a fast growing, emerging economy.

China will surpass all World economies to dominate this century, of that there is no question. When they run out of resources to fuel this insatiable growth they will attempt to take them by force of expansion, just as the Japanese and Germans did during the 30's.

Dont worry too much. They will fight each other before they fight outside. Sometime they will transition from the current political system, and that will take some very interesting watching.

[FarangTalk]

We Westerners have enjoyed a hegemony for so long that we are unable to comprehend that people will ever buy Chinese or Indian made products but we were wrong when we said the very same things about Japan and Korea.

The difference is that non-Westerners will not be bothered about buying other Asian brands and eventually they will dominate over all others as Japanese and Korean products that are made in China currently do. High cost imports from the West will be consigned to the niche and specialist categories and markets in Asia.

You wouldn't have bought a Lucky Goldstar (LG) appliance 15 years ago would you? Conversely, you will be buying Great Wall vehicles and other Chinese brands in the near future.

[lemoncake]

that is good news. love to see that bilateral cooperation and Asian economy grow.

Perhaps. I suspect this is so they can more easily sell cheap sub-standard cars to Thailand and it's ASEAN neighbours.

How many Chery's d we see on the roads here? The Chinese will just use Thailand as a base to export their cars elsewhere. There is no way they will compete in the local market with the quality or Japanese cars made here; certainly not in the short term.

The only reason why we do not see as many cherry's as we should is because they have not build a network.

If they were to set up dealer networks across the country, rest assured you will be seeing much much more.

I would buy one just to take the dogs out.

[ginjag]

Remember guys not that long ago we used to frown at KIA--HYundi now look at the styles and the luxury......same goes for Samsung LG we have to take the Chinese seriously----They dont make cars like LADA----remember Wartberg--- some people think These chinese products are the same NO they are a threat to Japan and Korean models--and give them a few years and most will be buying---same LG-from Hitachi--samsung from sanyo

As I posted earlier; it is natural progression in a fast growing, emerging economy.

China will surpass all World economies to dominate this century, of that there is no question. When they run out of resources to fuel this insatiable growth they will attempt to take them by force of expansion, just as the Japanese and Germans did during the 30's.

TRY could have been better. but agree in general. may well nibble and nibble and then find they are not Quite the power they thought.

The reality is people who have the money or loyal to some brands will never change, People with less money will shop for a cheaper car.

Young people will be the main target market, because instead of buying a used car, they could get a new Chinese made car.

Agree, if I was back in UK I would go for what I always liked that served me well----Accord--prelude--Now the new Mini appeals but here wow expensive. Most people get set in their ways, But I have change more here. and varied my purchaces

[ginjag]

that is good news. love to see that bilateral cooperation and Asian economy grow.

Perhaps. I suspect this is so they can more easily sell cheap sub-standard cars to Thailand and it's ASEAN neighbours.

How many Chery's d we see on the roads here? The Chinese will just use Thailand as a base to export their cars elsewhere. There is no way they will compete in the local market with the quality or Japanese cars made here; certainly not in the short term.

The only reason why we do not see as many cherry's as we should is because they have not build a network.

If they were to set up dealer networks across the country, rest assured you will be seeing much much more.

I would buy one just to take the dogs out.

Ha Ha, my dogs do not sit on my leather seats. my little Chinese treasure.

[Thai at Heart]

We Westerners have enjoyed a hegemony for so long that we are unable to comprehend that people will ever buy Chinese or Indian made products but we were wrong when we said the very same things about Japan and Korea.

The difference is that non-Westerners will not be bothered about buying other Asian brands and eventually they will dominate over all others as Japanese and Korean products that are made in China currently do. High cost imports from the West will be consigned to the niche and specialist categories and markets in Asia.

You wouldn't have bought a Lucky Goldstar (LG) appliance 15 years ago would you? Conversely, you will be buying Great Wall vehicles and other Chinese brands in the near future.

I am not sure that the Chinese brands will make the same level of progress as the Japanese or Koreans did in the last 30 years. It is a far more visible and competitive market place today. Just look at Samsung smashing the Japanese electronics brands. However, the Koreans and Japanese collaborated together in many industries for many years. Huawei may make it, but I have a feeling that the amount of R&D that the Koreans put into their business, will protect them from Chinese competition.

[harrycallahan]

Can't wait to see Ferrari's going cheap in the ground floor at Mike's Shopping Mall.

[hellodolly]

Interesting Wiki link. Especially the part about "Overseas Knock Down Factories,"

Interesting link thery apparently open plants with the ability to take them down and move them.

An excet from the article

"===Overseas knock-down factories===

There have been at least eight overseas knock-down factories that produce Great Wall models from [[knock-down kit]]s. Such knock-down exports are an easy way for Great Wall to gain access to developing markets without added [[Customer service|after-sales service]"

Make what you will of it. Personally if I was considering a Chinese car it would not be on my list.

[hellodolly]

that is good news. love to see that bilateral cooperation and Asian economy grow.

Perhaps. I suspect this is so they can more easily sell cheap sub-standard cars to Thailand and it's ASEAN neighbours.

How many Chery's d we see on the roads here? The Chinese will just use Thailand as a base to export their cars elsewhere. There is no way they will compete in the local market with the quality or Japanese cars made here; certainly not in the short term.

The only reason why we do not see as many cherry's as we should is because they have not build a network.

If they were to set up dealer networks across the country, rest assured you will be seeing much much more.

I would buy one just to take the dogs out.

You are in luck I have a bridge I can let you have at a steal. Great for walking dogs.

[lemoncake]

We Westerners have enjoyed a hegemony for so long that we are unable to comprehend that people will ever buy Chinese or Indian made products but we were wrong when we said the very same things about Japan and Korea.

The difference is that non-Westerners will not be bothered about buying other Asian brands and eventually they will dominate over all others as Japanese and Korean products that are made in China currently do. High cost imports from the West will be consigned to the niche and specialist categories and markets in Asia.

You wouldn't have bought a Lucky Goldstar (LG) appliance 15 years ago would you? Conversely, you will be buying Great Wall vehicles and other Chinese brands in the near future.

I am not sure that the Chinese brands will make the same level of progress as the Japanese or Koreans did in the last 30 years. It is a far more visible and competitive market place today. Just look at Samsung smashing the Japanese electronics brands. However, the Koreans and Japanese collaborated together in many industries for many years. Huawei may make it, but I have a feeling that the amount of R&D that the Koreans put into their business, will protect them from Chinese competition.

Very true, but Chinese have found an easier way out, they are really good at copy and industrial espionage.

There is nothing to stop them from simply copying, slightly modifying and rebadging

[lemoncake]

You are in luck I have a bridge I can let you have at a steal. Great for walking dogs.

What is a bridge?

[soi41]

Good news for Thailand, the current government and the Prime Minister.

It must really stick in the craw of the Yingluck haters that major ( and surprising ) foreign investment like this is happening.

The TV folks who decry this are probably the same ones who believed the minimum wage would cause all F.I. to flee and that the country would be instantly bankrupted................

Before you are getting all excited, let me remind you, that this "major investment" is worth less than 3% of what the governments rice-scam is costing per year!

BTW the comments on Chinese cars lack of quality and workmanship (probably correct) reminds me of, when the first cars started to come from Japan many years ago. Different tune now.

[ZhouZhou]

China will surpass all World economies to dominate this century, of that there is no question. When they run out of resources to fuel this insatiable growth they will attempt to take them by force of expansion, just as the Japanese and Germans did during the 30's.

first part is right. second part is nonsense.

who was the last 60 years involved in wars around the planet and invested every new decade more and more money in wars?

not china, not japan, not germany.

[Thai at Heart]

We Westerners have enjoyed a hegemony for so long that we are unable to comprehend that people will ever buy Chinese or Indian made products but we were wrong when we said the very same things about Japan and Korea.

The difference is that non-Westerners will not be bothered about buying other Asian brands and eventually they will dominate over all others as Japanese and Korean products that are made in China currently do. High cost imports from the West will be consigned to the niche and specialist categories and markets in Asia.

You wouldn't have bought a Lucky Goldstar (LG) appliance 15 years ago would you? Conversely, you will be buying Great Wall vehicles and other Chinese brands in the near future.

I am not sure that the Chinese brands will make the same level of progress as the Japanese or Koreans did in the last 30 years. It is a far more visible and competitive market place today. Just look at Samsung smashing the Japanese electronics brands. However, the Koreans and Japanese collaborated together in many industries for many years. Huawei may make it, but I have a feeling that the amount of R&D that the Koreans put into their business, will protect them from Chinese competition.

Very true, but Chinese have found an easier way out, they are really good at copy and industrial espionage.

There is nothing to stop them from simply copying, slightly modifying and rebadging

Quality consumers aren't that dumb. Not even the domestic Chinese really want to drive a Chinese car. Lest we forget, that when the Japanese and Koreans were demolishing Western television, motorcycle, or car industry, they were building in Asia at lower cost, the western companies were building in the West at higher cost.

Now that entire production base has been evened out; everyone builds everywhere, so consumers search for quality, spec and price. Just look at the spec of the mobiles around. There is an extremely simple correlation between the components and the cost, because they are all made in the same place. There are only a few phones in the world that can charge a premium on the basis of perceived quality, it is all down to basic componentry.

Do you really think that the Chinese can genuinely produce a car like for like cheaper than the Koreans or Japanese? They build them all next to each other in China anyway.

[anon210]

Regarding the car industry, I believe indeed that all the prejudice against the Chinese car industry reflect a bit those about Japanese then Korean cars earlier in the 1970's, then the 90's. Same outcome should ensue.

[FarangTalk]

China will surpass all World economies to dominate this century, of that there is no question. When they run out of resources to fuel this insatiable growth they will attempt to take them by force of expansion, just as the Japanese and Germans did during the 30's.

first part is right. second part is nonsense.

who was the last 60 years involved in wars around the planet and invested every new decade more and more money in wars?

not china, not japan, not germany.

Correct and most countries while they evolve economically eventually follow the same model as the US including China.

[lemoncake]

We Westerners have enjoyed a hegemony for so long that we are unable to comprehend that people will ever buy Chinese or Indian made products but we were wrong when we said the very same things about Japan and Korea.

The difference is that non-Westerners will not be bothered about buying other Asian brands and eventually they will dominate over all others as Japanese and Korean products that are made in China currently do. High cost imports from the West will be consigned to the niche and specialist categories and markets in Asia.

You wouldn't have bought a Lucky Goldstar (LG) appliance 15 years ago would you? Conversely, you will be buying Great Wall vehicles and other Chinese brands in the near future.

I am not sure that the Chinese brands will make the same level of progress as the Japanese or Koreans did in the last 30 years. It is a far more visible and competitive market place today. Just look at Samsung smashing the Japanese electronics brands. However, the Koreans and Japanese collaborated together in many industries for many years. Huawei may make it, but I have a feeling that the amount of R&D that the Koreans put into their business, will protect them from Chinese competition.

Very true, but Chinese have found an easier way out, they are really good at copy and industrial espionage.

There is nothing to stop them from simply copying, slightly modifying and rebadging

Quality consumers aren't that dumb. Not even the domestic Chinese really want to drive a Chinese car. Lest we forget, that when the Japanese and Koreans were demolishing Western television, motorcycle, or car industry, they were building in Asia at lower cost, the western companies were building in the West at higher cost.

Now that entire production base has been evened out; everyone builds everywhere, so consumers search for quality, spec and price. Just look at the spec of the mobiles around. There is an extremely simple correlation between the components and the cost, because they are all made in the same place. There are only a few phones in the world that can charge a premium on the basis of perceived quality, it is all down to basic componentry.

Do you really think that the Chinese can genuinely produce a car like for like cheaper than the Koreans or Japanese? They build them all next to each other in China anyway.

Its not how much cheaper they can produce it and how much less profit they willing to accept

[Thai at Heart]

Regarding the car industry, I believe indeed that all the prejudice against the Chinese car industry reflect a bit those about Japanese then Korean cars earlier in the 1970's, then the 90's. Same outcome should ensue.

Won't be quite the same. The supply chains and production costs for all of the manufacturers is much much closer than it was 30 years ago. Price differentials are closer.

[lemoncake]

Regarding the car industry, I believe indeed that all the prejudice against the Chinese car industry reflect a bit those about Japanese then Korean cars earlier in the 1970's, then the 90's. Same outcome should ensue.

Won't be quite the same. The supply chains and production costs for all of the manufacturers is much much closer than it was 30 years ago. Price differentials are closer.

You are again correct, but lets take Toyota for example, who by now has a huge network, huge advertising budgets, huge sponsorship deals, huge HQ etc etc etc.

If Chinese were to make same quality even with the same cost of production, they can afford to sell it for much cheaper because they do not have any of the above.

I think you greatly underestimate Chinese.

If Koreans could do it, why can not Chinese?

[Thai at Heart]

Its not how much cheaper they can produce it and how much less profit they willing to accept

All feasible, but then that feeds into available funds for RD and the rest. The market can't be bucked even in China. Just look at Suntech. The EU and the UIS won't accept them dumping Chinese cars around the world, and neither should they. They will get business of course, but the market is so packed with massive global manufacturers these days, it is a lot harder to get traction than in the previous decades.

[Thai at Heart]

Regarding the car industry, I believe indeed that all the prejudice against the Chinese car industry reflect a bit those about Japanese then Korean cars earlier in the 1970's, then the 90's. Same outcome should ensue.

Won't be quite the same. The supply chains and production costs for all of the manufacturers is much much closer than it was 30 years ago. Price differentials are closer.

You are again correct, but lets take Toyota for example, who by now has a huge network, huge advertising budgets, huge sponsorship deals, huge HQ etc etc etc.

If Chinese were to make same quality even with the same cost of production, they can afford to sell it for much cheaper because they do not have any of the above.

I think you greatly underestimate Chinese.

If Koreans could do it, why can not Chinese?

No, I don't underestimate them at all. Lived there on and off for about 6 months of the year for 6 years. But, as an economist, I look at the market realities that they face and compare it with the situations faced by the other countries 30 years ago, and realise it isn't the same. The Chinese won't naturally have that much of a price advantage without some obvious quality issues. That's business. Look at the solar business? They have killed it, believing that price and volume was enough to get it all. Booooing. Everyone will go bust, or certainly there will be huge upheaval.

China has also struggled to build international brands even though they have been at this for many years. Li Ning trainers anyone? And then beyond that, there is a huge political distrust of their intentions at a very visceral level. The Japanese may have been a little nuts there for a while, but they weren't communist.

[DavoTheGun]

All this is very god for Thailand, but Great Wall produce absolute crap, quality is abysmal!

[Exsexyman]

Chinese automobile giant to invest 9bn baht in Thailand

BANGKOK, 27 March 2013 (NNT) - A major Chinese auto makers has planned to invest 9 billion baht to build a large factory in Thailand.

Nuts is as nuts does...

"Hey, big brother China, we need your help. Our Thailand-situated Japanese car producers, are becoming suspicious since our first car-SCAM, we need some cheaper cars made in China, that JUST look great on the outside, but is empty within the mechanic and machinery substance, quality-satisfaction GUARANTEED doomed to failure, psssssst....

Cheap products, sold for a high price, and easily breakable in substance after a short time, leading to death in several extreme cases

China says thank you so much, little ancestor brothers and sisters for maintaing parts of our Communism dictatorship cheating corruption alive in Thailand for centuries now.

If you add Chinese produced cars in addition to Japanese manufactured cars, which are trillion automobiles in Thailand already,........ OH...... MY......... GOD!!!!!!!!!!!! Another trillion-kachillian automobiles produced in China on Bangkok's roads.....

Standstill 44444ever

I think this observation has already been made before a few weeks ago but it is probably worth making it again. Great Wall Motors should have saved their 9 billion baht and just consulted you! You are obviously an expert on these matters. After all you know where the emoticon button is, and you fall on the floor laughing at your own( non) jokes. How old are you? Mummy will be very angry if she catches you playing with the computer!

[chezy86]

Yeah totally agree rubbish cars but i am old enough to remember the first Japanese cars (Datsun) coming to the UK and the likes of British Leyland and Vauxhall openly laughing at them. Well roll on 20 years they were not laughing from the unemployment lines as Japan took over the car and motorcycle industries and showed us how to do it, so the same will happen with China they will get better as time goes on as they already have in the electronics market.