jocko Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 "Really not that hard to fix, just a matter of doing some studying on how the Leaning Tower of Pisa was stabilized. I am not kidding. By ground drilling on the opposite side, they were able to even out the pressure of the subsidence." And the cost, relative to demolishing and starting again, would be............? Possibly true but there are differences between the two. The Leaning Tower of Pisa is an historic monument visited by tourists from all over the world and can't really be demolished. The Leaning Tower of Pisa is meant to lean, although that wasn't the original intention. The idea is to stop it leaning more. Just as an interesting side note this is something I saw on a documentary on TV but I can't find any reference to it at the moment. Mmany years ago the tower started to lean more which was found to be due drying out of the soil around the base. The reason for the drying out was found to be the extraction of ground water to cool an early computer. I don't know where it was but I'm sure that although it was very big and required a lot of cooling it was about the same as a Commodore 64 in power. Shows how things have changed. Does anyone else know if this is true? Of course main frame computers take a lot if cooling with chilled water so you could be right I do remember a documentary about them coming up with solutions to repair the tower maybe that was the same Doc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newermonkey Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Na.. no problem iv'e seen worse, the one in Italy is just fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucjoker Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 The future >>>> 1. The developers will face no charges for shoddy work 2. The building department will face no charges for looking the other way 3. The building will be quietly fixed on the cheap 4. This story will gently fade away..... in fact the solution is simple, In the other (still straight) building,they will sell the appartments for double price ! Gravity will demolish the other building ,so thats free! People can start gambling how long it will take for the building to fall and how long for the second one to fall aswell ! Splendid !??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 they just wanted another landmark "learning tower of Bangkok" I'm sure they'll come up with a low cost solution without the need to demolish so the building can be safely occupied within a matter of months Yeah just call it 'the leaning building of Bangkok'. Only problem is it ain't in Bangkok. This monstrosity is Patum Thani's embarrassment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XINLOI Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 The future >>>> 1. The developers will face no charges for shoddy work 2. The building department will face no charges for looking the other way 3. The building will be quietly fixed on the cheap 4. This story will gently fade away..... There will be nothing done in any way. This is typical construction work in this country. My CEO of the construction company I hired, then fired, " We will not follow any laws here in Thailand, because it is not the Thai way". Total unsafe building practices are the norm here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcutman Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 And most likely it will be for years to come. Sucks for the owner building it, but TIT, pretty sure the contractor is chillin in Loa or Cambodia by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxe1200 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 How would increasing the height of the building be any approach to addressing its tilting? I obviously missed something. That is right you missed something. If the building and the sister building both would be heightened, they will finally support each other by leaning to each other. That is most probably the Thai approach towards a cost saving solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bigbamboo Posted April 2, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted April 2, 2013 "Really not that hard to fix, just a matter of doing some studying on how the Leaning Tower of Pisa was stabilized. I am not kidding. By ground drilling on the opposite side, they were able to even out the pressure of the subsidence." And the cost, relative to demolishing and starting again, would be............? Possibly true but there are differences between the two. The Leaning Tower of Pisa is an historic monument visited by tourists from all over the world and can't really be demolished. The Leaning Tower of Pisa is meant to lean, although that wasn't the original intention. The idea is to stop it leaning more. Just as an interesting side note this is something I saw on a documentary on TV but I can't find any reference to it at the moment. Mmany years ago the tower started to lean more which was found to be due drying out of the soil around the base. The reason for the drying out was found to be the extraction of ground water to cool an early computer. I don't know where it was but I'm sure that although it was very big and required a lot of cooling it was about the same as a Commodore 64 in power. Shows how things have changed. Does anyone else know if this is true? Of course main frame computers take a lot if cooling with chilled water so you could be right I do remember a documentary about them coming up with solutions to repair the tower maybe that was the same Doc. One extraordinary thing about the leaning tower of Pisa is that although it is a bell tower there is no clock I mean, what is the good of the inclination if you haven't got the time? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimay1 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 (edited) My neurons are working overtime today on tilting Thailand. If my memory serves me correctly when they built Baiyoke tower II there was an issue after a few floors that the building was out of plumb 5 degrees and they corrected it before going on up with the building. Anyone remember this? I think it was back in the early '90s. Edited April 2, 2013 by Pimay1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jocko Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 "Really not that hard to fix, just a matter of doing some studying on how the Leaning Tower of Pisa was stabilized. I am not kidding. By ground drilling on the opposite side, they were able to even out the pressure of the subsidence." And the cost, relative to demolishing and starting again, would be............? Possibly true but there are differences between the two. The Leaning Tower of Pisa is an historic monument visited by tourists from all over the world and can't really be demolished. The Leaning Tower of Pisa is meant to lean, although that wasn't the original intention. The idea is to stop it leaning more. Just as an interesting side note this is something I saw on a documentary on TV but I can't find any reference to it at the moment. Mmany years ago the tower started to lean more which was found to be due drying out of the soil around the base. The reason for the drying out was found to be the extraction of ground water to cool an early computer. I don't know where it was but I'm sure that although it was very big and required a lot of cooling it was about the same as a Commodore 64 in power. Shows how things have changed. Does anyone else know if this is true? Of course main frame computers take a lot if cooling with chilled water so you could be right I do remember a documentary about them coming up with solutions to repair the tower maybe that was the same Doc. One extraordinary thing about the leaning tower of Pisa is that although it is a bell tower there is no clock I mean, what is the good of the inclination if you haven't got the time? Good stuff did you read that somewhere or is it all your own.I like it either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4u2mad Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 How would increasing the height of the building be any approach to addressing its tilting? I obviously missed something. Leaning tower of Pisa, they realised it was tilting and tried to straighten it out. But hey, come on! would you want your kids sleeping in this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty1412 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 so just tilt the floors inside at the exact opposite angle to the lean.. problem solved.. or maybe some of the Hopewell project supports could re re-erected at side to balance the building Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTang Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Why waste millions on a proper foundation when you can spend a hundred thousand or so on a corrupt building inspector? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Nice foundation work..... :-) I don't suppose they are using the same engineers that were used on this one in Shanghai. Tofu Construction Ltd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnie99 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I am not one to criticise, but why is it even a question to be posed? A tilting building 'should' be demolished? Is there a doubt? Aha ... TIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiMouse Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Thanes Weerasiri, head of Engineering Institute of Thailand, said the building has tilted at six degrees, and should be demolished, or heightened and rebuilt. Well well. I guess the learned engineer should not wear a badge that says, " I major in erection ". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watcharacters Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Nice foundation work..... :-)I don't suppose they are using the same engineers that were used on this one in Shanghai. Not sure if it was that building , but in a photo of a giant Chinese building laying on its side, it showed the concrete foundation pilings were hollow and all snapped off. Will be curious what charges will be leveled against the Thai building department for looking the other way while this poorly designed and constructed building was being completed...Oh sorry just dreaming, time to get back to the real world !! Yes that is the same building with the hollow pilings with no rebar to boot. Link below. http://www.hoax-slayer.com/13-story-buliding-collapse-china.shtml . Well rebar does cost money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biplanebluey Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 How would increasing the height of the building be any approach to addressing its tilting? I obviously missed something. I have been scratching my head over that one too------ HaHa-------- Had to read it twice !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerald14 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Hey the tower of Pisa in Bangkok:-)) Great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barefoot1988 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 (edited) unlike the china collapsed building, this is the true 8th wonder of the world of course brilliant idea on heightning it to solve the tilting. holding a cert of jenga engineering i guess Edited April 2, 2013 by barefoot1988 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Payboy Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Who found out it was tilting? Don't tell me it was those pesky FIFA inspectors again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 How would increasing the height of the building be any approach to addressing its tilting? I obviously missed something. I have been scratching my head over that one too------ HaHa-------- Had to read it twice !!! "Heightening of the building could cost the project owner the same amount of money needed to demolish and rebuild it." I would also like to know how "heightening the building" can solve the problem? Perhaps they were referring to a method of straightening it out if there is any possible way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khaowong1 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I thought it was a new tourist attraction.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attento Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Will anyone be moving into the other building? If this is the standard of their contruction work, both should be demolished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangon04 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 both buildings need to be demolished as they are built to the same standard and are totaly unsafe . the building company should pay the costs of demolision and rebuild . also pay a penalty for late completion . to think the lives that could have been lost if it was full of people WOW . You mean like this one in manila??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookingeast Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Amazing! I really hope the workers have been evacuated.I'd certainly crap myself if it leaned towards me ! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookingeast Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Presumably the mention of 'heightening' which posters have got excited about is a bad translation of 'lifting' / underpinning ? Which sounds crazy anyway ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Thanes Weerasiri, head of Engineering Institute of Thailand, said the building has tilted at six degrees, and should be demolished, or heightened and rebuilt. Well well. I guess the learned engineer should not wear a badge that says, " I major in erection ". That badge comes just after "I can say my own name" ... and just before the one that says "I can count to 10" When you get both, you get a Degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Nice foundation work..... :-)I don't suppose they are using the same engineers that were used on this one in Shanghai. Not sure if it was that building , but in a photo of a giant Chinese building laying on its side, it showed the concrete foundation pilings were hollow and all snapped off. Will be curious what charges will be leveled against the Thai building department for looking the other way while this poorly designed and constructed building was being completed...Oh sorry just dreaming, time to get back to the real world !! Does anybody of consequence EVER get charged with a crime in the LOS? When was the last time that happened? Is the judiciary truly as weak here as it appears? Feels like Somalia at times. No spine, no will, no real desire to arrest and try criminals who have money, or people who screw up, like this builder. Sent from my GT-I9300 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cycloneJ Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 some new close-up photos here and here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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