I am very doubtful whether history shows us one example of a man who, having stepped outside traditional morality and attained power, has used that power benevolently. - C.S. Lewis

This reminds me of the poster who said that it was normal for Thaksin to phone in, but no one needed to listen :-)

Phone ins? purely for the gullible!

I think you shot yourself in the foot with the education example.....

No you are wrong, I indicated that it was decades of rule under the "unsually rich" families that that caused the dire state of education in Thailand. I further indicated that it would take decades to repair the damage. Also your memory is not strong, Thaksin parties have not been in power for 10 out of the last 12 years. Check it out!

Thaksin is an unusually rich family boss. or let us call it by its proper name a member of the bourgeoisie. Thaksin however had other ideas as to which way he wanted to go. He decided he wanted it all for himself and not share with the rest of the bourgeoisie. So there was a split in the Thai ruling class and Thaksin threw a fake campaign that he represented the poor (carefully avoiding land reform in order not to upset the rich land owners in the north. So what we are left with is a few petty-bourgeois (predominantly UK provincial) forum Thaksin supporters who can chime in with the nonsense anti-capitalist blather as they whoop up their new found left-wing street cred and hey! we are from the regions as well!

Thailand has unwittingly permitted its leadership to be hijacked by one unusual, rich and ambitious Thai exile living in Dubai.

Rather than having its leadership hijacked for decades by a number of unusually rich, Thai families living, who knows where!

Just remind me, I don't seem to recall any of those 'unusually rich people' ordering the deaths of thousands of innocents, nor inciting others to torch the Capital.

I must have missed the news that day.

No the damage done by those 'unusually rich people' has taken place over decades and has been far more destructive to Thailand that anything that may be blamed on Thaksin. Take a look at Thai education standards if you want an example.

And what did Thaksin do for Thai Education Standards? And isn't he one of the unusually rich people?

The only people talking about Thaksin are the Democrats and the media, no one else gives a flying fig- if they stopped talking about him and reporting his every breath, then maybe the country could start to at least move on a day to day basis.

Correct! But how to make Thaksin stop talking/interfering...?

And how can they stop millions of Thais voting for him in ever growing numbers at each general election.

"And how can they stop millions of Thais voting for him"

Quite easily:stop the money supply!

No the damage done by those 'unusually rich people' has taken place over decades and has been far more destructive to Thailand that anything that may be blamed on Thaksin. Take a look at Thai education standards if you want an example.

And what did Thaksin do for Thai Education Standards? And isn't he one of the unusually rich people?

He made himself Education Minister, as the Ministry of Education is such an unimportant government department that a Prime Minister can do it in their spare time.

No

you are wrong, I indicated that it was decades of rule under the

"unsually rich" families that that caused the dire state of education in

Thailand. I further indicated that it would take decades to repair the

damage. Also your memory is not strong, Thaksin parties have not been

in power for 10 out of the last 12 years. Check it out!

I think you shot yourself in the foot with the education example.....

You have no idea what you're talking about.

No the damage done by those 'unusually rich people' has taken place over decades and has been far more destructive to Thailand that anything that may be blamed on Thaksin. Take a look at Thai education standards if you want an example.

And what did Thaksin do for Thai Education Standards? And isn't he one of the unusually rich people?

He made himself Education Minister, as the Ministry of Education is such an unimportant government department that a Prime Minister can do it in their spare time.

>>No

you are wrong, I indicated that it was decades of rule under the

"unsually rich" families that that caused the dire state of education in

Thailand. I further indicated that it would take decades to repair the

damage. Also your memory is not strong, Thaksin parties have not been

in power for 10 out of the last 12 years. Check it out!

I think you shot yourself in the foot with the education example.....

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Does it matter what you or I write here, the vast majority of Thai Visa forum members can't vote, you can complain all you like but Thaksin is coming because he has the support of the people who can vote. The people who spend their whole days writing tens of thousands of posts about how bad Thaksin, Yingluk, PTP are may as well spend their time uriniating into the wind. It's over for Amart/Dems, just accept that you can do nothing about it and get on with your lives.

"It's over for the Amart/Dems"

Welcome to the Amart/Reds, instead.

Meet the new boss, same same as the old boss, I'm afraid.

Does it matter what you or I write here, the vast majority of Thai Visa forum members can't vote, you can complain all you like but Thaksin is coming because he has the support of the people who can vote. The people who spend their whole days writing tens of thousands of posts about how bad Thaksin, Yingluk, PTP are may as well spend their time uriniating into the wind. It's over for Amart/Dems, just accept that you can do nothing about it and get on with your lives.

Does it matter what you or I write here, the vast majority of Thai Visa forum members can't vote, you can complain all you like but Thaksin is coming because he has the support of the people who can vote. The people who spend their whole days writing tens of thousands of posts about how bad Thaksin, Yingluk, PTP are may as well spend their time uriniating into the wind. It's over for Amart/Dems, just accept that you can do nothing about it and get on with your lives.

Unfortunately you would then have to answer the question as to why he hasn't come back already.

Does it matter what you or I write here, the vast majority of Thai Visa forum members can't vote, you can complain all you like but Thaksin is coming because he has the support of the people who can vote. The people who spend their whole days writing tens of thousands of posts about how bad Thaksin, Yingluk, PTP are may as well spend their time uriniating into the wind. It's over for Amart/Dems, just accept that you can do nothing about it and get on with your lives.

Unfortunately you would then have to answer the question as to why he hasn't come back already.

One might add why is he getting his other sister into position to take over as PM.

No the damage done by those 'unusually rich people' has taken place over decades and has been far more destructive to Thailand that anything that may be blamed on Thaksin. Take a look at Thai education standards if you want an example.

He made himself Education Minister, as the Ministry of Education is such an unimportant government department that a Prime Minister can do it in their spare time.

>>No

you are wrong, I indicated that it was decades of rule under the

"unsually rich" families that that caused the dire state of education in

Thailand. I further indicated that it would take decades to repair the

damage. Also your memory is not strong, Thaksin parties have not been

in power for 10 out of the last 12 years. Check it out!

I think you shot yourself in the foot with the education exampl

e.....

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Does it matter what you or I write here, the vast majority of Thai Visa forum members can't vote, you can complain all you like but Thaksin is coming because he has the support of the people who can vote. The people who spend their whole days writing tens of thousands of posts about how bad Thaksin, Yingluk, PTP are may as well spend their time uriniating into the wind. It's over for Amart/Dems, just accept that you can do nothing about it and get on with your lives.

If I recall correctly the PT has lost every election since the general election and the people had time to see there true colors. I believe one of those elections was in red shirt land.

This article first appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition on Apr 02, 2013 as Thaksin keeps talking, but is anyone listening?

-- scmp.com 2013-04-02

Only the Sheep.

If I recall correctly the PT has lost every election since the general

election and the people had time to see there true colors. I believe one

of those elections was in red shirt land.

If you are correct then many Thai Visa members will be jumping with joy when Abhisit is elected at the next General Election, that would be the decision of the Thai people who are able to vote.... but you know it is not going to happen.

Bull Xxxx talks !! Everyone who is interested in Thailands development and future listen at Khun Thaksin !!

Bull Shit talks !! Everyone who is interested in Thailands development and future listen at Khun Thaksin !!

Laugh more like.

Bull Xxxx talks !! Everyone who is interested in Thailands development and future listen at Khun Thaksin !!

And follow his instructions, to the letter, or you won't get paid-off ?

It amuses me to see a few misguided farangs supporting Thaksin. This is the small minority equivalent of, say, those who support the National Front in the UK (or the Socialist Workers Party - they're all the same). Such support belies rational argument - perhaps people feel the need for authoritarian leadership because of something lacking in their own lives, or it may be a manifestation of some social complex or need. These people are certainly entitled to their opinion - such is democracy. However it has to be emphasised that Thaksin is not your democratic leader who brings good tidings to the people; he is not Thailand's saviour; he is not a democrat. So what is he? Any objective analysis would cast him in the mould of say a Marcos (who with his wife Imelda bled the Philippines dry), a Saddam (who murdered and tortured his own people whilst smiling at the West) and other dictators who ranged from the socio-pathic to the downright psycho-pathic. Off course they needed people, like those farangs here who support Thaksin, in order to maintain their power and in most cases it was the rule of fear that kept people in line. Happily, because in this country there are some forces more powerful than Thaksin, the Thais have somehow managed to keep Thaksin and his cronies at bay. But make no mistake, they are playing the long game. It doesn't need me to tell you that there are momentous events on the horizon and this is when we'll see just how democratic Thaksin and his red shirts are. They are busily building their infrastructure and does it matter that it's costing Thaksin a few billion baht? Not at all - the stakes are so much higher. I'm pleased to note that the majority of posters on these boards are able to understand the real nature of the Thaksin threat. Thais don't need a dictatorship, they don't need the divided society that Thaksin has so carefully crafted. He understands the concept of divide and rule. To me the choice is not Thaksin or Abhisit - that is simply a red herring. The choice is between a democratic society or a Thailand that would resemble Burma at its worst. For me, those posters who continue to post in favour of Thaksin are either wind-up merchants (sorry guys, this ain't a funny scenario) or people who are seriously deficient in their understanding of the nature of right/left wing dictatorships. Perhaps they have other agendas that we cannot see but to my mind they are the very people who help to make this world such a bad place at times.

yes, all the taxi drivers from Isaan are listening

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Does it matter what you or I write here, the vast majority of Thai Visa forum members can't vote, you can complain all you like but Thaksin is coming because he has the support of the people who can vote. The people who spend their whole days writing tens of thousands of posts about how bad Thaksin, Yingluk, PTP are may as well spend their time uriniating into the wind. It's over for Amart/Dems, just accept that you can do nothing about it and get on with your lives.

Regardless of whether or not I can vote, this does not detract from the truth that Thaksin does not have the strong support you claim. And, what's more his support is dwindling.

And, whether I can vote or not, you still have no idea what you're talking about. You have highlighted in this thread that Thaksin's parties have only been in power for 2 of the last 10 years (false) and that the Democrats are solely responsible for holding Thai education standards back (false), when in fact Thaksin's parties have been in power for almost 6 years of the last 10 and the TRT government held education in such low regard that it didn't even appoint an Education Minister. Without wanting to sound overly critical, I suggest you educate yourself a little better.

Interesting, too, that you believe the Amart and the Dems are the same people.

As it happens, I will be entitled to vote in the next General Election It's a little early to say definitively, but I'm afraid I think I will not be voting Peua Thai (if they make it that far). And I don't even think that Yinglak is that bad (even if she is clearly useless)... but certainly my opinion of her is better than most of those of the Surat Thani & Nakhon Sri Thammarat populaces. I would even go so far as to say that opinions outside Surat and Nakhon show contempt for her... just do a Google Images search on "<Thai script removed>" (something like "stupid bint", but not quite so polite).

Thaksin claims he is not involved in politics and has no interest now....

"... two sisters as political proxies is yet another sign that strings are being pulled to perpetrate the weird and ultimately shameful arrangement by which Thailand has unwittingly permitted its leadership to be hijacked by one unusual, rich and ambitious Thai exile living in Dubai."

So if the world recognises the sheer stupidity of this country allowing a crim to run it, why is there no extradition requests, and the law being upheld? Clowns all.

Thaksin claims he is not involved in politics and has no interest now....

"... two sisters as political proxies is yet another sign that strings are being pulled to perpetrate the weird and ultimately shameful arrangement by which Thailand has unwittingly permitted its leadership to be hijacked by one unusual, rich and ambitious Thai exile living in Dubai."

So if the world recognises the sheer stupidity of this country allowing a crim to run it, why is there no extradition requests, and the law being upheld? Clowns all.

Because he and his family control the law and the people who would submit for an extradition order. And him and his family don't give a fig what the rest of the world thinks. And whether you believe it or not, neither do most Thai's care what the rest of the world thinks. Yes, you are correct. Clowns all.

If I recall correctly the PT has lost every election since the general

election and the people had time to see there true colors. I believe one

of those elections was in red shirt land.

If you are correct then many Thai Visa members will be jumping with joy when Abhisit is elected at the next General Election, that would be the decision of the Thai people who are able to vote.... but you know it is not going to happen.

I see you do not deny it. How strange for a PT red shirt to admit the truth when it makes him look bad.

It amuses me to see a few misguided farangs supporting Thaksin. This is the small minority equivalent of, say, those who support the National Front in the UK (or the Socialist Workers Party - they're all the same). Such support belies rational argument - perhaps people feel the need for authoritarian leadership because of something lacking in their own lives, or it may be a manifestation of some social complex or need. These people are certainly entitled to their opinion - such is democracy. However it has to be emphasised that Thaksin is not your democratic leader who brings good tidings to the people; he is not Thailand's saviour; he is not a democrat. So what is he? Any objective analysis would cast him in the mould of say a Marcos (who with his wife Imelda bled the Philippines dry), a Saddam (who murdered and tortured his own people whilst smiling at the West) and other dictators who ranged from the socio-pathic to the downright psycho-pathic. Off course they needed people, like those farangs here who support Thaksin, in order to maintain their power and in most cases it was the rule of fear that kept people in line. Happily, because in this country there are some forces more powerful than Thaksin, the Thais have somehow managed to keep Thaksin and his cronies at bay. But make no mistake, they are playing the long game. It doesn't need me to tell you that there are momentous events on the horizon and this is when we'll see just how democratic Thaksin and his red shirts are. They are busily building their infrastructure and does it matter that it's costing Thaksin a few billion baht? Not at all - the stakes are so much higher. I'm pleased to note that the majority of posters on these boards are able to understand the real nature of the Thaksin threat. Thais don't need a dictatorship, they don't need the divided society that Thaksin has so carefully crafted. He understands the concept of divide and rule. To me the choice is not Thaksin or Abhisit - that is simply a red herring. The choice is between a democratic society or a Thailand that would resemble Burma at its worst. For me, those posters who continue to post in favour of Thaksin are either wind-up merchants (sorry guys, this ain't a funny scenario) or people who are seriously deficient in their understanding of the nature of right/left wing dictatorships. Perhaps they have other agendas that we cannot see but to my mind they are the very people who help to make this world such a bad place at times.

Excellent post

I would like to point out one other thing. We all know that Thaksin draws his support from the poorly educated Thais,

Being a farong does not necessarily mean you have an education any better than the Thai who graduated from a school with no electricity. Lets face it Thailand has a number of trust fund babies who never found the need for education. Hence the ease they have in being drawn in by money flaunting power drivers such as Thaksin.

It amuses me to see a few misguided farangs supporting Thaksin. This is the small minority equivalent of, say, those who support the National Front in the UK (or the Socialist Workers Party - they're all the same). Such support belies rational argument - perhaps people feel the need for authoritarian leadership because of something lacking in their own lives, or it may be a manifestation of some social complex or need. These people are certainly entitled to their opinion - such is democracy. However it has to be emphasised that Thaksin is not your democratic leader who brings good tidings to the people; he is not Thailand's saviour; he is not a democrat. So what is he? Any objective analysis would cast him in the mould of say a Marcos (who with his wife Imelda bled the Philippines dry), a Saddam (who murdered and tortured his own people whilst smiling at the West) and other dictators who ranged from the socio-pathic to the downright psycho-pathic. Off course they needed people, like those farangs here who support Thaksin, in order to maintain their power and in most cases it was the rule of fear that kept people in line. Happily, because in this country there are some forces more powerful than Thaksin, the Thais have somehow managed to keep Thaksin and his cronies at bay. But make no mistake, they are playing the long game. It doesn't need me to tell you that there are momentous events on the horizon and this is when we'll see just how democratic Thaksin and his red shirts are. They are busily building their infrastructure and does it matter that it's costing Thaksin a few billion baht? Not at all - the stakes are so much higher. I'm pleased to note that the majority of posters on these boards are able to understand the real nature of the Thaksin threat. Thais don't need a dictatorship, they don't need the divided society that Thaksin has so carefully crafted. He understands the concept of divide and rule. To me the choice is not Thaksin or Abhisit - that is simply a red herring. The choice is between a democratic society or a Thailand that would resemble Burma at its worst. For me, those posters who continue to post in favour of Thaksin are either wind-up merchants (sorry guys, this ain't a funny scenario) or people who are seriously deficient in their understanding of the nature of right/left wing dictatorships. Perhaps they have other agendas that we cannot see but to my mind they are the very people who help to make this world such a bad place at times.

Excellent post

I would like to point out one other thing. We all know that Thaksin draws his support from the poorly educated Thais,

Being a farong does not necessarily mean you have an education any better than the Thai who graduated from a school with no electricity. Lets face it Thailand has a number of trust fund babies who never found the need for education. Hence the ease they have in being drawn in by money flaunting power drivers such as Thaksin.

Let me get this right, you are saying that anyone who supports the PTP Government over the alternatives is poorly educated?

ThaiAtHeart:

The dems have to stop hoping that a coup is a viable plan back to power. They should slowly move away from the army and re-assess what they stand for.

If ptp unashamedly stands for corruption, it isn't viable to be the party who stands for relatively less.

'er that would definitely be moving away from the army while the army is not controlled by Thaksin.

... and there we go again the sly attempted whitewash of Thaksin as being as corrupt as the others and therefore not really corrupt. 'Nothing to see there Sir, please move along'. And certainly Thaksin's explicit corruption, his conviction for such, is absolutely no barrier at all for the forum Thaksin boiler room forum apologists to hold his banner high, very high.

Thaksin is busy talking, but is anyone listening?

Thaksin's legal counsel lashes back at usual critic

BANGKOK, April 4 (Xinhua) -- A legal adviser of former Thai leader Thaksin Shinawatra dismissed on Wednesday allegations raised by a foreign correspondent that his boss had continued to pull the strings behind the current Thai government headed by his sister, Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra.

Noppadon Pattama, a former Thai Foreign Minister and current legal counsel of Thaksin, said the "usual" critic had presented biased and unfounded views against the Shinawatra family.

Noppadon was responding to a South China Morning Post article published Tuesday and written by Philip Cunningham that said the former Thai premier had continued to manipulate Yingluck and other officials of the Thai government.Cunningham also alleged that Thaksin is pushing for stalled bids to enable him to return home and is looking forward to promote his personal agenda.

Continued:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/indepth/2013-04/04/c_132284508.htm

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yes, all the taxi drivers from Isaan are listening

Even with my signature I can only say let's hope no one does a 'Hoffa' on him