webfact Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Fidel Castro asks North Korea to avoid warHAVANA: -- Cuban revolutionary leader Fidel Castro called Friday for long-time ally North Korea and the United States to avoid hostilities on the Korean Peninsula."If war breaks out there, the peoples of both parts of the peninsula will be terribly sacrificed, without benefit to all or either of them," he said in a column published in Cuban state media."Now that (North Korea) has demonstrated its technical and scientific achievements, we remind her of her duties to the countries which have been her great friends, and it would be unjust to forget that such a war would particularly affect more than 70 per cent of the population of the planet."Castro, 86, reminded the US of its duty to avoid a clash, amid mounting tensions this year between North and South Korea."If a conflict of that nature should break out there, the government of Barack Obama in his second mandate would be buried in a deluge of images which would present him as the most sinister character in the history of the United States," Castro said. "The duty of avoiding war is also his and that of the people of the United States."Cuba is one of the last remaining allies of the communist government in Pyongyang."The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea was always friendly with Cuba, as Cuba has always been and will continue to be with her," Castro wrote. "I had the honour of meeting Kim Il-sung, a historic figure, notably courageous and revolutionary."Kim Il-sung was the founder of North Korea and grandfather of Kim Jong Un, the new leader of the reclusive Pyongyang regime.Tension ratcheted up this week on the peninsula, as North Korea has threatened nuclear strikes and moved missiles, with the South and the US positioning missile defenses in response.-- The Nation 2013-04-06 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Wow. If I only had a couple of friends, I'd listen to them and try to keep them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boon Mee Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Like anybody listens to Fidel Castro except Sean Penn & Oliver Stone... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post siampolee Posted April 6, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2013 Castro may well be the voice of North Korea's allies who have no desire to become involved in a conflict.Castro's words are indeed wise ones. All words that support a no aggression situation no matter who may utter them should be heard by North Korea and hopefully acted upon. Very easy for one small group of privileged self protective self serving people to pass a death sentence on millions. Even one voice of sanity in the wilderness of hostility is a welcome sound to all those innocents who are involved without their consent. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post capt_canada42 Posted April 6, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2013 Like anybody listens to Fidel Castro except Sean Penn & Oliver Stone... Yes people listen arrogant one .. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Publicus Posted April 6, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2013 I'm certain Castro has a vivid memory of the Cuban Missile Crisis of October 1962 when Soviet leader Nikita Krushechev tried to put his missiles in Cuba, missiles that could hit 90% of the United States. Pres Kennedy took the U.S. military worldwide to DEFCON 2 (Defense Condition). DEFCON 5 means situation normal; DEFCON 1 means everyone starts pushing all the red buttons. It was the most dangerous moment in world history so everyone got a close shave, Castro especially as Moscow left him out on the limb he'd crawled onto. Castro now is old and dying but I'd make a wager he remembers the time, the moment, as if it were yesterday. With age the number one determinant in N and S Korean society, Kim Jong Un is the exception, but then Kim doesn't need to listen to anyone. Yes, Kim would be wise to consider Castro's statement to him. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemoncake Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 I'm certain Castro has a vivid memory of the Cuban Missile Crisis of October 1962 when Soviet leader Nikita Krushechev tried to put his missiles in Cuba, missiles that could hit 90% of the United States. Pres Kennedy took the U.S. military worldwide to DEFCON 2 (Defense Condition). DEFCON 5 means situation normal; DEFCON 1 means everyone starts pushing all the red buttons. It was the most dangerous moment in world history so everyone got a close shave, Castro especially as Moscow left him out on the limb he'd crawled onto. Castro now is old and dying but I'd make a wager he remembers the time, the moment, as if it were yesterday. With age the number one determinant in N and S Korean society, Kim Jong Un is the exception, but then Kim doesn't need to listen to anyone. Yes, Kim would be wise to consider Castro's statement to him. I think he also understands that if anything was to happen, he would be involved one way or another. NK allies would kind of need to help( i am sure they have some agreements) and NK actions at this time do not achieve or prove anything other than ego driven funny looking little man bravada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Publicus Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 (edited) I'm certain Castro has a vivid memory of the Cuban Missile Crisis of October 1962 when Soviet leader Nikita Krushechev tried to put his missiles in Cuba, missiles that could hit 90% of the United States. Pres Kennedy took the U.S. military worldwide to DEFCON 2 (Defense Condition). DEFCON 5 means situation normal; DEFCON 1 means everyone starts pushing all the red buttons. It was the most dangerous moment in world history so everyone got a close shave, Castro especially as Moscow left him out on the limb he'd crawled onto. Castro now is old and dying but I'd make a wager he remembers the time, the moment, as if it were yesterday. With age the number one determinant in N and S Korean society, Kim Jong Un is the exception, but then Kim doesn't need to listen to anyone. Yes, Kim would be wise to consider Castro's statement to him. I think he also understands that if anything was to happen, he would be involved one way or another. NK allies would kind of need to help( i am sure they have some agreements) and NK actions at this time do not achieve or prove anything other than ego driven funny looking little man bravado Who are N Korea's allies? Beijing doesn't want anything to do with Kim and gang. Beijing and N Korea haven't been even de facto allies for a good period of years, drifting apart to the point there now is a schism. Allies? If Castro isn't a N Korean ally, then no one is, and Castro is only trying to give a word from the wise about this nuclearmania in Pyongyang.. Edited April 6, 2013 by Publicus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briboy Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 he should listen and listen good to Castro as he has done his apprentship and is still alive to impart some good advise to the boy, especially on how to have 1 leg on either side of a barb wire fence and not lose your balls.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemoncake Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 I'm certain Castro has a vivid memory of the Cuban Missile Crisis of October 1962 when Soviet leader Nikita Krushechev tried to put his missiles in Cuba, missiles that could hit 90% of the United States. Pres Kennedy took the U.S. military worldwide to DEFCON 2 (Defense Condition). DEFCON 5 means situation normal; DEFCON 1 means everyone starts pushing all the red buttons. It was the most dangerous moment in world history so everyone got a close shave, Castro especially as Moscow left him out on the limb he'd crawled onto. Castro now is old and dying but I'd make a wager he remembers the time, the moment, as if it were yesterday. With age the number one determinant in N and S Korean society, Kim Jong Un is the exception, but then Kim doesn't need to listen to anyone. Yes, Kim would be wise to consider Castro's statement to him. I think he also understands that if anything was to happen, he would be involved one way or another. NK allies would kind of need to help( i am sure they have some agreements) and NK actions at this time do not achieve or prove anything other than ego driven funny looking little man bravado Who are N Korea's allies? Beijing doesn't want anything to do with Kim and gang. Beijing and N Korea haven't been even de facto allies for a good period of years, drifting apart to the point there now is a schism. Allies? If Castro isn't a N Korean ally, then no one is, and Castro is only trying to give a word from the wise about this nuclearmania in Pyongyang.. I am not on NK staff, so could not tell you what packs they have and what agreements, but rest assured they do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Let's take a look at possible friends of NK--and in some cases, they are not really friends, just enemies of the US. Myanmar--probably not anymore since they have moved in a different direction. Iran--Maybe, but probably not likely to break a fingernail helping NK. They want a bit of technology and stuff that's hard to get, but I doubt they consider themself a real friend. Venezuela--Maybe, but with the death of it's former leader, probably not likely to go very far out on a limb. Am I missing anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potosi Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 I'm certain Castro has a vivid memory of the Cuban Missile Crisis of October 1962 when Soviet leader Nikita Krushechev tried to put his missiles in Cuba, missiles that could hit 90% of the United States. Pres Kennedy took the U.S. military worldwide to DEFCON 2 (Defense Condition). DEFCON 5 means situation normal; DEFCON 1 means everyone starts pushing all the red buttons. It was the most dangerous moment in world history so everyone got a close shave, Castro especially as Moscow left him out on the limb he'd crawled onto. Castro now is old and dying but I'd make a wager he remembers the time, the moment, as if it were yesterday. With age the number one determinant in N and S Korean society, Kim Jong Un is the exception, but then Kim doesn't need to listen to anyone. Yes, Kim would be wise to consider Castro's statement to him. Wasn't this the best thing that could happen to Castro, because part of the package that made the Russians remove their missiles was the guarantee that the US would leave him in peace for good? Anyway, I watched the movie about that crisis a couple of times, the one with Kevin Costner. It was all about Kruchev 'communicating' with Kennedy by odd means. Maybe this time some communication is also going on, in plain view but we don't understand it? Maybe Obama signaled earlier, 'Un, I need a reason to build up military strenght in the Pazific because I'm not comfortable with the Chinese. Can you make some noise? In return, we leave you in peace as long as you live'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Whidbeyboy Posted April 6, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2013 I like how castro puts it on Obama to keep the peace even when it is NK that is doing all the sword rattling. NK government is so perverse and out of touch as are the people who are brainwashed since birth to hate the US. The people starve to death as the NK Government lives high on the hog and spend billions on military hardware, yet they praise the leader as some God. Likely due to the fact that if they do not they dissappear with every family memebr to some camp where they are tortured in ways only the most perverse psychopath can imagine. The only positive that will come from war is the release of the NK people from this life of servitude and horror. Of course, the tens of thousands that will die from such a war is a high price to pay. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Let's take a look at possible friends of NK--and in some cases, they are not really friends, just enemies of the US. Myanmar--probably not anymore since they have moved in a different direction. Iran--Maybe, but probably not likely to break a fingernail helping NK. They want a bit of technology and stuff that's hard to get, but I doubt they consider themself a real friend. Venezuela--Maybe, but with the death of it's former leader, probably not likely to go very far out on a limb. Am I missing anyone? Yes, Pakistan initially provided some of the technology to develop nuclear weapons, although it's alleged the main person/department involved was doing so without government authority. I believe Pakistan & North Korea still have diplomatic and trade relations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Whidbeyboy Posted April 6, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2013 The NK seem eerily like Japan did in WW2 when their leader was thought of like a God and they were hell bent to die for him. A war with NK will be much more intense then anything we have seen since WW2 except the weapons today are so much more advanced and deadly. If not helped by China,the NK can only sustain a 30 day war before supplies run out, though they would fight to the end with pitchforks IMO. I find it amazing how an entire race can be so islolated in this world and convinced of the reality that they have is amazing and frightening and will be studied for years to come. Like late 1930s early 1940s Nazi Germany on steroids. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 I'm certain Castro has a vivid memory of the Cuban Missile Crisis of October 1962 when Soviet leader Nikita Krushechev tried to put his missiles in Cuba, missiles that could hit 90% of the United States. Pres Kennedy took the U.S. military worldwide to DEFCON 2 (Defense Condition). DEFCON 5 means situation normal; DEFCON 1 means everyone starts pushing all the red buttons. It was the most dangerous moment in world history so everyone got a close shave, Castro especially as Moscow left him out on the limb he'd crawled onto. Castro now is old and dying but I'd make a wager he remembers the time, the moment, as if it were yesterday. With age the number one determinant in N and S Korean society, Kim Jong Un is the exception, but then Kim doesn't need to listen to anyone. Yes, Kim would be wise to consider Castro's statement to him. Yes, it's interesting. Cuba would have been wiped out in a heart beat, if Castro had been successful in allowing the USSR to import all the war heads etc and something had happened. Now N. Korea is in the same situation, except they can only damage neighbouring countries like South Korea and Japan, not the US. Kim Jong Un can flatten much of Seoul with his conventional artillery but the US would wipe out nearly all of his command and control centres within a few days, leaving him with a million man army with no command structure and no leadership, food or ammunition supply. He would be killed, himself, too in the first few days either by the bombardment or his own troops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedghog Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 It would be quite easy to relieve tensions in the area,if the USA ceased military exercises in SK,relieved some of the sanctions strangling the N.Koreans and give this young,man Kim Jong Un time to think and reassess. Number one he is a young man,with tremendous responsibility that he needs time to adjust to. As we all know when young we don't always make the wisest of decisions. What would be the point of destroying,NK and creating disharmony with all the nations involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
how241 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Castro may well be the voice of North Korea's allies who have no desire to become involved in a conflict.Castro's words are indeed wise ones. All words that support a no aggression situation no matter who may utter them should be heard by North Korea and hopefully acted upon. Very easy for one small group of privileged self protective self serving people to pass a death sentence on millions. Even one voice of sanity in the wilderness of hostility is a welcome sound to all those innocents who are involved without their consent. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locationthailand Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Communist advisers. Good move Castro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamhar Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 (edited) It would be quite easy to relieve tensions in the area,if the USA ceased military exercises in SK,relieved some of the sanctions strangling the N.Koreans and give this young,man Kim Jong Un time to think and reassess. Number one he is a young man,with tremendous responsibility that he needs time to adjust to. As we all know when young we don't always make the wisest of decisions. What would be the point of destroying,NK and creating disharmony with all the nations involved. You're trying to apply logic to an illogical person. The NK's are like bullys, They use Nukes to extort concessions our of the SKs and the US. With the bully's i know, you give in to the bullys and they own you, and they get more brazen. one last thought If Fidel tells you that you're being a hothead, you might just want to take a quick look in the mirror! Edited April 6, 2013 by jamhar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Castro Fidels, whilst Korea burns. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee b Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Maybe he could send some lovely cuban cigars to north korea to keep them happy !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4UCorsair Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 It would be quite easy to relieve tensions in the area,if the USA ceased military exercises in SK,relieved some of the sanctions strangling the N.Koreans and give this young,man Kim Jong Un time to think and reassess. Number one he is a young man,with tremendous responsibility that he needs time to adjust to. As we all know when young we don't always make the wisest of decisions. What would be the point of destroying,NK and creating disharmony with all the nations involved. You're trying to apply logic to an illogical person. The NK's are like bullys, They use Nukes to extort concessions our of the SKs and the US. With the bully's i know, you give in to the bullys and they own you, and they get more brazen. one last thought If Fidel tells you that you're being a hothead, you might just want to take a quick look in the mirror! I agree jamhar. He doesn't need time to reassess. He needs a beating. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post I Like Thai Posted April 6, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2013 I'm certain Castro has a vivid memory of the Cuban Missile Crisis of October 1962 when Soviet leader Nikita Krushechev tried to put his missiles in Cuba, missiles that could hit 90% of the United States. Pres Kennedy took the U.S. military worldwide to DEFCON 2 (Defense Condition). DEFCON 5 means situation normal; DEFCON 1 means everyone starts pushing all the red buttons. It was the most dangerous moment in world history so everyone got a close shave, Castro especially as Moscow left him out on the limb he'd crawled onto. Castro now is old and dying but I'd make a wager he remembers the time, the moment, as if it were yesterday. With age the number one determinant in N and S Korean society, Kim Jong Un is the exception, but then Kim doesn't need to listen to anyone. Yes, Kim would be wise to consider Castro's statement to him. Wasn't this the best thing that could happen to Castro, because part of the package that made the Russians remove their missiles was the guarantee that the US would leave him in peace for good? Anyway, I watched the movie about that crisis a couple of times, the one with Kevin Costner. It was all about Kruchev 'communicating' with Kennedy by odd means. Maybe this time some communication is also going on, in plain view but we don't understand it? Maybe Obama signaled earlier, 'Un, I need a reason to build up military strenght in the Pazific because I'm not comfortable with the Chinese. Can you make some noise? In return, we leave you in peace as long as you live'. The main reason for the Cuban missile crisis was that Russia wanted the USA to remove it's missiles from Turkey, which borders Russia. Maybe NK are doing something similar because it is annoyed with the USA playing war games on it's border once again. I think myself that the new leader wants to bring NK in from the cold, but has to thread very carefully. Just because he is leader, doesn't mean he can do what he likes. I'd like to see an invitation to talk extended to NK where an agreement to lift sanctions and help NK rebuild it's infrastructure is an outcome. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoli Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Like anybody listens to Fidel Castro except Sean Penn & Oliver Stone... And Michael Moore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stoli Posted April 6, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2013 (edited) It would be quite easy to relieve tensions in the area,if the USA ceased military exercises in SK,relieved some of the sanctions strangling the N.Koreans and give this young,man Kim Jong Un time to think and reassess. Number one he is a young man,with tremendous responsibility that he needs time to adjust to. As we all know when young we don't always make the wisest of decisions. What would be the point of destroying,NK and creating disharmony with all the nations involved. I am quite confused as to how you have turned this around so that it is now the U.S. that is threatening to destroy NK. The U.S. performs military operations all over the world, not to threaten, but to prepare for instances like now where NK is swinging a sword it does not even need to touch. Yes, I am an American, and have spent a great deal of my own tax money to help protect the world with our military stength. I would rather you just say "Thank You". If not for us, you would be speaking either German or Japanese. Edited April 6, 2013 by stoli 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZhouZhou Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 I'm certain Castro has a vivid memory of the Cuban Missile Crisis of October 1962 when Soviet leader Nikita Krushechev tried to put his missiles in Cuba, missiles that could hit 90% of the United States. Pres Kennedy took the U.S. military worldwide to DEFCON 2 (Defense Condition). DEFCON 5 means situation normal; DEFCON 1 means everyone starts pushing all the red buttons. It was the most dangerous moment in world history so everyone got a close shave, Castro especially as Moscow left him out on the limb he'd crawled onto. Castro now is old and dying but I'd make a wager he remembers the time, the moment, as if it were yesterday. With age the number one determinant in N and S Korean society, Kim Jong Un is the exception, but then Kim doesn't need to listen to anyone. Yes, Kim would be wise to consider Castro's statement to him. One could say that NK just shows the same kind of reaction like the US showed back the days. The Russians in Cuba is not much different from having the American around Korea. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Well, actually it is quite different. If South Korea wants the US out of the country and wants to cancel the military alliances, it is capable of doing so. The same with Japan and Taiwan for that matter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZhouZhou Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Well, actually it is quite different. If South Korea wants the US out of the country and wants to cancel the military alliances, it is capable of doing so. The same with Japan and Taiwan for that matter.And what would be if NK would hold some military exercises with their friends in Cuba. The USA would go DEFCON2 again. nothing else we hear from NK. for the sake of world peace the Russian left Cuba. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckd Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Well, actually it is quite different. If South Korea wants the US out of the country and wants to cancel the military alliances, it is capable of doing so. The same with Japan and Taiwan for that matter.And what would be if NK would hold some military exercises with their friends in Cuba. The USA would go DEFCON2 again. nothing else we hear from NK.for the sake of world peace the Russian left Cuba. In the first place the two nations would have to scrape up the necessary funds to meet somewhere and have joint military exercises. Hey, if they can do that, let 'em get after it. The US and South Korea have been having joint exercises for years. They didn't exactly reinvent the wheel this time around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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