Maggie Thatcher Is Dead.

[lannarebirth]

That's hysterical woman logic.

What's that post supposed to be? Ad hominem? Insulting me for no reason at all other than you assume I'm on the side of those who reviled PM Thatcher?

If so, that's pathetic.

Or is it just a misogynistic way of saying the logic isn't sound - if so, enlighten me with your rational manly insights.

I take it back. Apparently she is reviled by 10% or more of the population. I hadn't thought people could be so petty, so stupid, but I was wrong. I apologize unreservedly.

[Khonwan]

I do not celebrate her death…not now, after her 23 years of retirement from public life.

I would certainly have celebrated her death had it occurred whilst she was the Prime Minister so comprehensively rejected by my country, Scotland. Her death, at this current time, is of no significance…other than to remind Scots of the need to vote for independence in order to prevent another Thatcher controlling our lives despite any democratic legitimacy, in a way so contrary to our own culture and our views on the nature of our society.

[SteeleJoe]

So, it's a guess with no rationale to back it up.

I would bet you could find considerably more than 10% who reviled any major figure; depending on who and how many you asked.

Lies, damned lies and statistics!

No, it's a hypothesis. Look it up if you aren't clear on the term.

Why do you need to pretend that such a thing couldn't be? How would it make your views on PM Thatcher any less valid if it were?

[SteeleJoe]

That's hysterical woman logic.

What's that post supposed to be? Ad hominem? Insulting me for no reason at all other than you assume I'm on the side of those who reviled PM Thatcher?

If so, that's pathetic.

Or is it just a misogynistic way of saying the logic isn't sound - if so, enlighten me with your rational manly insights.

I take it back. Apparently she is reviled by 10% or more of the population. I hadn't thought people could be so petty, so stupid, but I was wrong. I apologize unreservedly.

So it was pathetic ad hominem.

How embarrassed you should be...

(By the way, people can be far more petty and stupid than that.)

[7by7]

So, it's a guess with no rationale to back it up.

I would bet you could find considerably more than 10% who reviled any major figure; depending on who and how many you asked.

Lies, damned lies and statistics!

As is your argument that only a tiny minority despised her.

But my argument is backed up by the many tributes paid to her by even the most viciferous of her political opponents plus the extremely small number of people actually 'celebrating' her death; most of whom are too young to have known what the UK was like before her and from the pictures and films shown are just using her death as an excuse for yet another piss up.

What do you have to back up yours?

So, it's a guess with no rationale to back it up.

I would bet you could find considerably more than 10% who reviled any major figure; depending on who and how many you asked.

Lies, damned lies and statistics!

No, it's a hypothesis. Look it up if you aren't clear on the term.

Why do you need to pretend that such a thing couldn't be? How would it make your views on PM Thatcher any less valid if it were?

A hypothesis is an educated guess backed up with evidence. Without the evidence it is just a guess.

I don't need to pretend that such a thing couldn't be; if it were I would accept it.

But until I see real evidence to the contrary, I will continue to believe that those who revile her are a very small, albeit very vocal, minority. 10%? More likely less than 1%

[bdenner]

NOT a one of em would have the balls to pull this sort of stunt to her face.

What a ridiculous thing to say. Of course they would, and often did. She was reviled by a large section of the population whether you like it or not.

Just get one thing straight, she was not MY Prime Minister and I really don't give 2 stuffs about her politics. My comments are based on a matter of respect, she was a widely known personality deserving a little dignity in her passing. Not the crap she is being subjected to here and social media by a gutless minority.

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies deleted.

[SteeleJoe]

But until I see real evidence to the contrary, I will continue to believe that those who revile her are a very small, albeit very vocal, minority. 10%? More likely less than 1%

You have no "real evidence" for your position (and indeed your position is in defiance with contemporary and historical context.)

You need to check the definition for hypothesis.

Carry on. I'm sorry for trying to inject a bit of reason in the midst of all this bigotry on both sides but my feeling is you can have a perfectly valid position on PM Thatcher's administration or her as a person without refusing to acknowledge that many others have a different one and simply accepting that - what difference does it make if it is 600,000 or 2,000,000 of them?

[Chicog]

NOT a one of em would have the balls to pull this sort of stunt to her face.

What a ridiculous thing to say. Of course they would, and often did. She was reviled by a large section of the population whether you like it or not.

Just get one thing straight, she was not MY Prime Minister and I really don't give 2 stuffs about her politics. My comments are based on a matter of respect, she was a widely known personality deserving a little dignity in her passing. Not the crap she is being subjected to here and social media by a gutless minority.

"Gutless minority" says the keyboard warrior.

Uh huh.

[Chicog]

But until I see real evidence to the contrary, I will continue to believe that those who revile her are a very small, albeit very vocal, minority. 10%? More likely less than 1%

You have no "real evidence" for your position (and indeed your position is in defiance with contemporary and historical context.)

You need to check the definition for hypothesis.

Carry on. I'm sorry for trying to inject a bit of reason in the midst of all this bigotry on both sides but my feeling is you can have a perfectly valid position on PM Thatcher's administration or her as a person without refusing to acknowledge that many others have a different one and simply accepting that - what difference does it make if it is 600,000 or 2,000,000 of them?

Well for a start there were 13 million people in the trade union movement, most of whom still have visceral memories of her destruction of them and many of the industries in which they operated.

Some people don't like hearing the truth.

[SteeleJoe]

But until I see real evidence to the contrary, I will continue to believe that those who revile her are a very small, albeit very vocal, minority. 10%? More likely less than 1%

You have no "real evidence" for your position (and indeed your position is in defiance with contemporary and historical context.)

You need to check the definition for hypothesis.

Carry on. I'm sorry for trying to inject a bit of reason in the midst of all this bigotry on both sides but my feeling is you can have a perfectly valid position on PM Thatcher's administration or her as a person without refusing to acknowledge that many others have a different one and simply accepting that - what difference does it make if it is 600,000 or 2,000,000 of them?

Well for a start there were 13 million people in the trade union movement, most of whom still have visceral memories of her destruction of them and many of the industries in which they operated.

Some people don't like hearing the truth.

So you think it might be more than 5% of them that revile her?

[7by7]

But until I see real evidence to the contrary, I will continue to believe that those who revile her are a very small, albeit very vocal, minority. 10%? More likely less than 1%

You have no "real evidence" for your position (and indeed your position is in defiance with contemporary and historical context.)

You need to check the definition for hypothesis.

Carry on. I'm sorry for trying to inject a bit of reason in the midst of all this bigotry on both sides but my feeling is you can have a perfectly valid position on PM Thatcher's administration or her as a person without refusing to acknowledge that many others have a different one and simply accepting that - what difference does it make if it is 600,000 or 2,000,000 of them?

Where have I ever refused to acknowledge that many others have a different view to mine?

I have often said as much.

But holding a different view, even actively opposing someone, is not the same as reviling them.

Tony Benn said something along the lines that whilst he was totally against everything she stood for, he still admired her as a person.

That is a reasoned view.

[Morden]

Whatever one's view of Margaret Thatcher, the strength of jubilation following her death is, surely, and indicator of the strength of feeling against her as a Prime Minster even today. It is, as far as I know, without precedent. It cannot be dismissed as merely political opportunism. To argue that younger protestors don't know what damage she did to Britain is false. Many of them may well come from families that suffered from her belief in monetarism over the welfare people. Others may well have studies what she did and how it has resulted in the problems facing working people today.

[7by7]

I refer the poster above to the answers I have given previoulsy.

[Scott]

A post which violates Fair Use has been deleted.

[Morden]

I refer the poster above to the answers I have given previoulsy.

Thanks you but I don't see that your posts are relevant to my previous post. Consider in a quiet moment why so many people are rejoicing at her death. t has never happened previously in the UK. Do try to be objective.

[SteeleJoe]

But until I see real evidence to the contrary, I will continue to believe that those who revile her are a very small, albeit very vocal, minority. 10%? More likely less than 1%You have no "real evidence" for your position (and indeed your position is in defiance with contemporary and historical context.)You need to check the definition for hypothesis.Carry on. I'm sorry for trying to inject a bit of reason in the midst of all this bigotry on both sides but my feeling is you can have a perfectly valid position on PM Thatcher's administration or her as a person without refusing to acknowledge that many others have a different one and simply accepting that - what difference does it make if it is 600,000 or 2,000,000 of them?Where have I ever refused to acknowledge that many others have a different view to mine? I have often said as much. But holding a different view, even actively opposing someone, is not the same as reviling them. Tony Benn said something along the lines that whilst he was totally against everything she stood for, he still admired her as a person. That is a reasoned view.

But until I see real evidence to the contrary, I will continue to believe that those who revile her are a very small, albeit very vocal, minority. 10%? More likely less than 1%You have no "real evidence" for your position (and indeed your position is in defiance with contemporary and historical context.)You need to check the definition for hypothesis.Carry on. I'm sorry for trying to inject a bit of reason in the midst of all this bigotry on both sides but my feeling is you can have a perfectly valid position on PM Thatcher's administration or her as a person without refusing to acknowledge that many others have a different one and simply accepting that - what difference does it make if it is 600,000 or 2,000,000 of them?Where have I ever refused to acknowledge that many others have a different view to mine? I have often said as much. But holding a different view, even actively opposing someone, is not the same as reviling them. Tony Benn said something along the lines that whilst he was totally against everything she stood for, he still admired her as a person. That is a reasoned view.

So it's all about semantics then. You don't think that 2 million or more "reviled" her and you reject that possibility because there is no evidence, even though there is none for your belief either. OK.So you'd be okay with 'millions are totally against everything she stood for and very much disliked her'?Your singular example of what you arbitrarily deem a reasoned view seems to be rather narrow. If someone said they totally against everything she stood for and strongly disliked her as a person because of those values she held and the actions she took that wee against everything they stood for - is that reasoned?It looks like you can't bear people having a strongly negative feeling about PM Thatcher and it's odd to me and an odd thing to argue about (rather than arguing for against her policies and actions). I think Martin Luther King Jr. was a great man - possibly the greatest American in modern history - but if someone pointed out that many people disliked him that would make ZERO difference to me and my admiration and regard would be based on what he was and did - and THAT'S what I would argue with people who had negative views of him. I can't work out people who hate her so viscerally but I understand even less people who seem to think she is to be above extreme criticism other than by a fringe and unreasonable sector of the populace. Whatever. Carry on arguing about how many people "reviled" her as opposed who just were against everything she stood for and couldn't stand her as a result of those things. Don't see the point, myself - it does nothing to argue for or defend the polices and principles of Mrs. Thatcher or even her as a person.

[MAJIC]

Millions?

Where do you get that figure from?

Don't say it's the millions that didn't vote for her; as already said most people in the UK vote for the same party time after time, regardless.

Also, as said, most of those who actively disagreed with her policies did not revile her, as the tributes since her death from most of her political opponents at the time have shown.

Surely someone as divisive as she was, is reviled by at least 10% of the country and probably somewhat more.

That's millions.

10% of the population reviled her? you are being way too generous.

[woolyback]

Having been around during the Thatcher yrs and suffered under her regime 8yrs out of work I can't say that I am sorry to read that she has passed away and I dont doubt that a lot of other people in my age bracket 50+ will feel the same way . !

same age as you but dont feel like you ,

so your saying your not sorry a person has died .??

[Scott]

Off-topic post removed.

[Tchooptip]

Even thought I am accustomed to it, sometimes I really love my wife's way of talking: Malgalett Thachler is dead she told me

not sure she knew who she was but she saw on TV.

[7by7]

SteelJoe and Morden;

My point is that saying things like 'so many people are rejoicing at her death' is completely misrepresenting the truth.

As said before, and shown by the media (left wing, right wing and impartial) those 'rejoicing' form a very, very tiny minority of the population.

Those that don't like that and would prefer to see multitudes dancing in the street obvioulsy don't like that truth, but that is their problem.

[thenervoussurgeon]

The ones who are glad she is dead are the stupid young morons (like the one who hated her because she invaded Iraq) and just want to protest ,any excuse will do ,and the "workers" who lost their jobs because they were always out on strike demanding more money for less work ,well she beat you and you lost ,get over it losers.

[exeter]

Ithink she would have loved all this attention, she loved a battle, a battle of minds. On wednesday we will see how much of problem the grave dancers project, I can think of no person in the world who I would hate so much that I would want to dance on their graves, I would hope, I am sure I would find better things to do and those who ask who is paying the bill for the ceremony I would suggest the money from this "pop" song that has taken the opportunity to make a killing ( sorry about that) should be donated to the funeral costs, alas I expect the leftists who devised this scheme will be to capitalistic to heed my request.

I am going out now, I might be gone for some time.

[Thakkar]

All this bickering over what percentage, how many or what age group or people from what region revile Thatcher is, I think, beside the point.

Was she evil? I hardly think so. Callous? Perhaps, but in a way a mother is to a child's whining when she forces them to take their medicine. The real problem was that it was the wrong medicine. Many knew that then too, but now, in hindsight, it is absolutely clear that it was the wrong medicine—too strong by far. The data is unambiguous, for the most part.

The elite busy eulogizing her know this too. They also know that while others took the medicine, they took the wealth, and they would like this state of affairs to continue, thank you very much. This is why they burnish her image, because she stands for the ideas and policies that benefit them.

Whether they know it or not, the people celebrating Thatcher's death are also celebrating something bigger: the real prospect that the worst of the ideas she represented die with her.

T

[Thaddeus]

Whatever one's view of Margaret Thatcher, the strength of jubilation following her death is, surely, and indicator of the strength of feeling against her as a Prime Minster even today. It is, as far as I know, without precedent. It cannot be dismissed as merely political opportunism. To argue that younger protestors don't know what damage she did to Britain is false. Many of them may well come from families that suffered from her belief in monetarism over the welfare people.

Monetarism over welfare, tell me how that works again? is that that sort of thing were people who get off their backsides and carve their own way in life are somehow less important and less relevant than the scrounging day-time TV watchers whose offspring now do not have any concept of what hardship really is.

I would expect that there will be a significant number of those rejoicing at her death are only doing so because they have been told from birth that "she took our jobs"..... their jobs were already skating on a thin edge, and the union attitude of wanting everything for nothing pushed it over that edge.

End of......

When Glenda Jackson dies, I hope that some actually come to the realisation that, she's rich, so is Bono, Mick Hucknell, and that tit from the Boomtown Rats among several other millionaire socialists...... and guess what, you actually had that money, and you gave it to them willingly.... you can't lose what you never had, but if you have it and give it away, who's the fool.

[wooloomooloo]

Thank God for Carol Thatcher. Grieving and stoic. Though wouldn't blame her for being emotional.

Didn't even hint at the idiots revelling at her mother's demise.

There's a lesson in there, somewhere.

[Ajaan]

It's not surprising, all the sympathy and reverence for Thatcher on Thaivisa, given how TV is dominated by conservative right-wingers, haha.

But I gotta say, I'm encouraged by the outpouring of real people's disgust of her and celebration of her death in the UK--all the parties, and the rise of "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead" on the music charts...! hahaha

The above is a big improvement over the situation in the US when one of OUR truly evil past leaders died (Nixon, the man second-most responsible--after Pol Pot--for the death of millions of Cambodians in the 1970s, not to mention countless other atrocities)...most people in the US praised and practically canonized the bastard! Glad to see that [at least some] people in the UK have a backbone, even if they're not heavily represented on TV...

[bdenner]

Just get one thing straight, she was not MY Prime Minister and I really don't give 2 stuffs about her politics. My comments are based on a matter of respect, she was a widely known personality deserving a little dignity in her passing. Not the crap she is being subjected to here and social media by a gutless minority.

"Gutless minority" says the keyboard warrior.

Uh huh.

And with that mindless reply I rest my case.

[TexasRanger]

All I know is how I would feel and react to someone who rejoiced in the death of one of my family.Do unto others. Respect, if you have none for her, have some for her family.