Tuning Civic 2.0

[willythai]

Hi guys,

I have a Honda civic 2.0 year 2008. I would like to increase the HP and make it faster. I've already changed the exhaust and installed a good cold air intake. I've probably got just 2-3 HP as without tuning the ECU can get more than that.

I was thinking to install a Turbo but the price in Thailand is very expensive almost 100k THB which you can get it just for 1,000 $ in US.

Do you have any idea where i can remap the ECU in Phuket?

Any ideas of good tuning to improve the HP?

Thanks!!

[IMHO]

<100K Baht for a conversion to turbo doesn't that bad at all, considering it's going to need an intercooler, turbo, uprated fuel pump, likely uprated injectors, new induction piping and also likely an ECU remap...

The other option you have is a complete engine swap (which are a very popular option in TH), but that's going to run you well over 100K Baht.

As you've already done exhaust and intake, the next, smallish step you could take might be a new throttle body. Not sure what options are available for Honda 2.0L's, but fitting a 2.4L Camry throttle body on a 1.5L VIOS/Yaris engine nets a few extra ponies...

[steelepulse]

I've heard of nothing in Phuket, and I've been looking for a while. You could always buy a turbo and other parts from the US and have it shipped and get genuine parts. Taxes are quite low on auto parts.

[culicine]

I know of nothing in Puket, but you really need to go turbo if you want decent power. An auto 2.0 civic can put down around 200 whp on a dyno, stock internals. Try VSR tuning in BKK. If you use facebook, look up "gettuned tuning service". A decent custom turbo should be 100-120K. Sure you can tune, cams, throttle bodies, intakes, but that will get very expensive and get nowhere near the same power gains (or do both:)

[Spoonman]

the 1000 USD kit I assume is just that, please tell me what actually contains versus what I assume for Bt.100,000 is a drive in drive out conversion.

[transam]

Remember you can spend a zillion $ to do stuff but it does not end there. You must be sure to have a tow truck number and folk to fix stuff. Been there.

[thaikoh]

Have same question. Anybody knows tuning and performance shops and services in Phuket?

[WarpSpeed]

Had plans to open one there it's a potentially good market but it never materialized, too few people with vision. However as IMHO mentioned a couple of things you can do is have tuned, flow matched injectors installed, a mod that is desired no matter what you do in the future and you'd be surprised how much better performance, a simple and reasonably cheap mod that is and often overlooked. The fact of the matter is that since top performance isn't a priority in a mass manufactured car the factory just throws in whatever is available and seldom are they flowing equally or at maximum available flow as they are also mass manufactured and the average grocery shopper couldn't give a rat arse how it gets them there or even tell a difference so they cater to the masses.

That mod coupled with an ECU remap (not advisable to do one without the other anyways) though can gain as much as 5 to 20 hp..

You may want to order the injectors from a US tuner shop though there is plenty of them around and the cost would not be prohibitive given their size and weight but that way you know you're getting what you paid for as this is something that's easily covered and hard to confirm it's been done. Then bring them to a shop and stand guard while they're installed to be certain they don't end up on their's or their buddy's car..

[willythai]

I've heard of nothing in Phuket, and I've been looking for a while. You could always buy a turbo and other parts from the US and have it shipped and get genuine parts. Taxes are quite low on auto parts.

I've tried to look for a Turbo Kit on Ebay US but I'm not sure it will fit on my Civic. I've changed the engine a while ago because was broken and Honda put on my car a K20A which it could be good if it was a K20A-2/3 but i think it's a K20A-4 which is used on the CRV. I've also paid only 50k THB for the engine so i'm pretty sure it's not a good one. A part of that if i could get a turbo kit from US for 600-700 $ i need to find someone good enough to install it and tune the ECU.

[willythai]

I've tried to install the kit which support the new fuel E85 which contains 105 octane. I've read on internet that it should increase the performance but as far as i can see it does not!

In the end there are many solutions to increase the power but are all very expensive. At this point why spend 100-200K on this car when with 450k can get a Subaru Impreza...?

[commande]

Increasing performance of a car, reserved for people that have a lot of money or live with parents and all they do is spend their money on their car. Better to just buy a faster car, generally cheaper and at least the dealer or a normal mechanic can work on it when needed. Thailand everything is more expensive than the USA because of import tax, don't know of a Thai made Turbo, most are made in the USA, Germany and Japan so you pay a premium just to get that part here.

[Ace of Pop]

I've tried to install the kit which support the new fuel E85 which contains 105 octane. I've read on internet that it should increase the performance but as far as i can see it does not!

In the end there are many solutions to increase the power but are all very expensive. At this point why spend 100-200K on this car when with 450k can get a Subaru Impreza...?

E 85 is105 Octane.?. Are you sure.

[commande]

I've tried to install the kit which support the new fuel E85 which contains 105 octane. I've read on internet that it should increase the performance but as far as i can see it does not!

In the end there are many solutions to increase the power but are all very expensive. At this point why spend 100-200K on this car when with 450k can get a Subaru Impreza...?

E 85 is105 Octane.?. Are you sure.

It is when measured in RON it is 102-105 which I think is how Thailand rates octane levels. In MON it is only around 85-87 which is Europe in the USA we use RON/MON which yields around 94-96. Octane rating doesn't make your go faster, it reduces the potential for detonation and pinging. Unfortunately E85 is 85% Ethanol which burns hotter than regular gas rated the same octane level so it's actually worse if you run it in a performance car unless the engine is purpose built to take that much heat. There are no Turbo cars on the market that I am aware of that run E85, the heat would destroy the turbo bearings very fast. It's not a performance fuel for regular cars.

[culicine]

I've heard of nothing in Phuket, and I've been looking for a while. You could always buy a turbo and other parts from the US and have it shipped and get genuine parts. Taxes are quite low on auto parts.

I've tried to look for a Turbo Kit on Ebay US but I'm not sure it will fit on my Civic. I've changed the engine a while ago because was broken and Honda put on my car a K20A which it could be good if it was a K20A-2/3 but i think it's a K20A-4 which is used on the CRV. I've also paid only 50k THB for the engine so i'm pretty sure it's not a good one. A part of that if i could get a turbo kit from US for 600-700 $ i need to find someone good enough to install it and tune the ECU.

A good kit for the civic in Thailand would run from 100-120K baht. There are a number of garages that seem to do very good work with turbos and tuning. The turbo should be good on the k20a3/4 for 200HP or more with light boost. I'm not sure I'd touch an ebay job and unsure what customs would think of it; not sure of the tax on it. Try here: http://rcw.ms/forum/threads/128945-VSR-Tuning-Shop-amp-PB-Motor

https://www.facebook.com/VsrPerformancePbMotor?fref=ts

[willythai]

I've tried to install the kit which support the new fuel E85 which contains 105 octane. I've read on internet that it should increase the performance but as far as i can see it does not!

In the end there are many solutions to increase the power but are all very expensive. At this point why spend 100-200K on this car when with 450k can get a Subaru Impreza...?

E 85 is105 Octane.?. Are you sure.

It is when measured in RON it is 102-105 which I think is how Thailand rates octane levels. In MON it is only around 85-87 which is Europe in the USA we use RON/MON which yields around 94-96. Octane rating doesn't make your go faster, it reduces the potential for detonation and pinging. Unfortunately E85 is 85% Ethanol which burns hotter than regular gas rated the same octane level so it's actually worse if you run it in a performance car unless the engine is purpose built to take that much heat. There are no Turbo cars on the market that I am aware of that run E85, the heat would destroy the turbo bearings very fast. It's not a performance fuel for regular cars.

Hi Commande,

So do you think i will get better performance if i us the normal 95 than use the E85?

I paid 8,000 THB for that kit as they claimed better performance...

Cheers

[willythai]

I've tried to install the kit which support the new fuel E85 which contains 105 octane. I've read on internet that it should increase the performance but as far as i can see it does not!

In the end there are many solutions to increase the power but are all very expensive. At this point why spend 100-200K on this car when with 450k can get a Subaru Impreza...?

E 85 is105 Octane.?. Are you sure.

It is when measured in RON it is 102-105 which I think is how Thailand rates octane levels. In MON it is only around 85-87 which is Europe in the USA we use RON/MON which yields around 94-96. Octane rating doesn't make your go faster, it reduces the potential for detonation and pinging. Unfortunately E85 is 85% Ethanol which burns hotter than regular gas rated the same octane level so it's actually worse if you run it in a performance car unless the engine is purpose built to take that much heat. There are no Turbo cars on the market that I am aware of that run E85, the heat would destroy the turbo bearings very fast. It's not a performance fuel for regular cars.

Hi Commande,

So do you think i will get better performance if i us the normal 95 than use the E85?

I paid 8,000 THB for that kit as they claimed better performance...

Cheers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E85

[commande]

I've tried to install the kit which support the new fuel E85 which contains 105 octane. I've read on internet that it should increase the performance but as far as i can see it does not!

In the end there are many solutions to increase the power but are all very expensive. At this point why spend 100-200K on this car when with 450k can get a Subaru Impreza...?

E 85 is105 Octane.?. Are you sure.

It is when measured in RON it is 102-105 which I think is how Thailand rates octane levels. In MON it is only around 85-87 which is Europe in the USA we use RON/MON which yields around 94-96. Octane rating doesn't make your go faster, it reduces the potential for detonation and pinging. Unfortunately E85 is 85% Ethanol which burns hotter than regular gas rated the same octane level so it's actually worse if you run it in a performance car unless the engine is purpose built to take that much heat. There are no Turbo cars on the market that I am aware of that run E85, the heat would destroy the turbo bearings very fast. It's not a performance fuel for regular cars.

Hi Commande,

So do you think i will get better performance if i us the normal 95 than use the E85?

I paid 8,000 THB for that kit as they claimed better performance...

Cheers

Honestly it's hard to say, if you purpose build an engine to run on Ethanol it can produce more power but those engines as stated are purpose built and very expensive. I won't think, but can't say for certain, that a basic fuel conversion kit for any car that cost under 10,000 baht is going to do much for any car except allow you to run the E85 fuel. One thing to keep in mind, an Exhaust might give you 2-5 horse power increase, New intake 2-4 horse power. Even with these gains of lets say max 9HP your not going to notice anything, on a car unless you increase the HP by at least 30HP or more it's not really relevant.

A turbo system is the best thing you can purchase but the price is high. You want to go fast I suggest you look into the cost of installing a Nitrous Kit, those systems are truly the best value for the money AND will produce just as much power if not more than a turbo, your only limit is how large a tank you put in your trunk to store the gas. The Nitrous is cheap to, probably take you a couple years to spend 100k Baht using the Nitrous versus installing a Turbo kit and by the way it's more fun .

[steelepulse]

Just a brief note on e85. On a lot of the performance forums ( supraforums being one of them) hp and torque figures are noticeably higher using e85 then the standard unleaded road petrol. For whatever reason, the e85 in Thailand is rated at 95 octane http://www.eppo.go.th/retail_prices.html .

[willythai]

I was thinking about the option of a NOS system but i'm not sure if they do have it and where they install it in Thailand especially Phuket.

Can you give me some advice?

Thanks

[IMHO]

I was thinking about the option of a NOS system but i'm not sure if they do have it and where they install it in Thailand especially Phuket.

Can you give me some advice?

Thanks

NOS in a 2.0L Civic?

Even a small 50 shot would require substantial fuelling upgrades I'd imagine, but it all begs the question of who are you drag racing, and why are you racing them in a Civic?

[commande]

I was thinking about the option of a NOS system but i'm not sure if they do have it and where they install it in Thailand especially Phuket.

Can you give me some advice?

Thanks

NOS in a 2.0L Civic?

Even a small 50 shot would require substantial fuelling upgrades I'd imagine, but it all begs the question of who are you drag racing, and why are you racing them in a Civic?

Don't know of anyone in Phuket, most of your tuners in Thailand are located in Bangkok where there is a lot of disposable income and boy racers. Take a wild guess here your looking at 30,000 baht for a Nitrous Kit (yes it includes additional fueling and injectors) versus 100,000+ baht for a turbo kit which will still require additional fueling and piggy back computer. I have seen people put 100 shots on a standard 2.0 Civic with no engine upgrades, anything more than that and you could cause trouble.

NoS is a lot of fun and as stated previously it's the best value for the money you spend even in todays world.

[Ace of Pop]

That's why they call it Laughing Gas i suppose.

[Spoonman]

Not sure how one can claim it to be the best value for money for a street car (did the conversation change to drag car at some point?) when you can only use it for a few seconds at a time and the bottles loose their "whack" as they empty................and then needs to be re-filled.

[HarryMilton]

I've tried to install the kit which support the new fuel E85 which contains 105 octane. I've read on internet that it should increase the performance but as far as i can see it does not!

In the end there are many solutions to increase the power but are all very expensive. At this point why spend 100-200K on this car when with 450k can get a Subaru Impreza...?

Because the 450k Imprezas (turbos, I assume you mean) have all been constructed here, they were not imported, and they were built by enthusiasts to thrash!

If you look at the instrument panel on these manual Imprezas you will see, in most cases, the automatic gear indicator section between the speedo and rev counter. You have no idea how well they were built and they all would have been built with used parts. All this is not necessarily bad if they were properly built, of course.

[willythai]

I've tried to install the kit which support the new fuel E85 which contains 105 octane. I've read on internet that it should increase the performance but as far as i can see it does not!

In the end there are many solutions to increase the power but are all very expensive. At this point why spend 100-200K on this car when with 450k can get a Subaru Impreza...?

Because the 450k Imprezas (turbos, I assume you mean) have all been constructed here, they were not imported, and they were built by enthusiasts to thrash!

If you look at the instrument panel on these manual Imprezas you will see, in most cases, the automatic gear indicator section between the speedo and rev counter. You have no idea how well they were built and they all would have been built with used parts. All this is not necessarily bad if they were properly built, of course.

No. They were not. But are used car most of them 1998... :-)

[willythai]

I was thinking about the option of a NOS system but i'm not sure if they do have it and where they install it in Thailand especially Phuket.

Can you give me some advice?

Thanks

NOS in a 2.0L Civic?

Even a small 50 shot would require substantial fuelling upgrades I'd imagine, but it all begs the question of who are you drag racing, and why are you racing them in a Civic?

Don't know of anyone in Phuket, most of your tuners in Thailand are located in Bangkok where there is a lot of disposable income and boy racers. Take a wild guess here your looking at 30,000 baht for a Nitrous Kit (yes it includes additional fueling and injectors) versus 100,000+ baht for a turbo kit which will still require additional fueling and piggy back computer. I have seen people put 100 shots on a standard 2.0 Civic with no engine upgrades, anything more than that and you could cause trouble.

NoS is a lot of fun and as stated previously it's the best value for the money you spend even in todays world.

Do you know where can be installed as NOS kit?