Don’t make fun of anybody’s religion…

they might be right!

The Nation of Islam worldview was dominated by an apocalyptic and prophetic vision which held that the African American, the "original" or "Asiatic" black man, fell into a state of social domination that began with slavery.'1

This situation was a direct result of the machinations of an evil black scientist, Yakub, who grafted white people, also known as "devils," from original black people a little more than 6,000 years ago.

There had <maybe> been an Allah but there was certainly no Muhammad or his brother 6,000 years ago. This would indicate these original Blacks were a lost tribe of…

“God” had granted to whites the rule of the planet for six millennia, after which time a fiery battle was to take place in the sky where whites would suffer permanent defeat, and the original sense of order restored to earth.

The "devils’” rule was actually up in 1914, with an additional grace period granted by Allah in order to allow the Nation of Islam to save and convert as many African Americans as possible to their original religion.'

Within NOI eschatology there arrived a fusion of millenarian and African American nationalist traditions, with Japan's acknowledged leadership role couched in messianic terms.

The Merkaba—Ezekiel’s Vision. Note the presence of God.

The NOI's belief in the Mother Ship, or “Ezekiel's Wheel,'° was cast in a somewhat different light in the early 1940s. The Mother Ship, it seems, was in the possession of Japan, the blueprints for which had been drawn up "in the Holy City of  Mecca and sent to the Japanese government for development”.

Japan has had for many years a monster airplane, known to the Muslims as a "mother airplane”, a half-mile in diameter “city in the sky”.  Wait, hm, did somebody in the back say, “UFO”???

Ezekiel is, after all, a prophet in Judaism, Christianity and Islam. So it must be true!

The "mother airplane" is said to carry 1,500 smaller bombers, to be used against the white man. Each bomb is said to be such size as to penetrate the earth's surface for a distance of one mile, and to destroy an area of fifty square miles when it explodes.

The Muslims have told the faithful that the Japanese have superior equipment of every kind and description”.

Thus the Nation of Islam, made famous by Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali, and grown among black prisoners, supported Japan in WWII.

When Japan was A-bombed, the Mother Ship rose 40 miles above the Earth, just watching and waiting. NOI Minister Louis Farrakhan was taken to the Wheel to meet the late Elijah Muhammad. Fun fact: During WWII, Elijah Muhammad refused the draft and served three years in prison rather than fight the Japanese.

The NOI believes the Wheel to be the ‘New Jerusalem’ mentioned in the Book of Revelation. Can’t argue with the Bible!!!

The Wheel in Armageddon

There’s a lot of Ethiopian baked into these beliefs, making the possibility of a lost tribe of Israel almost realistic.

What will Israel do with 52 million American Blacks when they invoke the Right of Return, send these Muslims to Somaliland???

Don’t laugh. People will believe anything!

Further reading.

Elijah Muhammad, Muhammad Speaks, 1973.

“Ezekiel’s Wheel Mother Plane—Battle in the Sky”, Facebook.

“Ezekiel’s Vision”, My Jewish Learning

Ernest Allen, Jr., The Black Scholar, 1994.

11 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Ezekiel is, after all, a prophet in Judaism, Christianity and Islam. So it must be true!

How could that be possible?

Like a free agent in sports?

I love me a good troll thread to start the day.

Actually, I have faint concept of what a troll is, as noun or verb. I just like a great story. And this one's a zinger, eh!

Religions are the Devil's masterstroke......wars, torture, the suppression of science and truth, abuse of women and children.

Pure genius.

If I had to name a God it would be Christopher Hitchens.

Religion and mythology is fine reading in the context of history, and sometimes religion and mythology overlapping each other, and it is hard to know what is what.

Actually you can call it a great mix of fairy tales, folktale, myth and legend explanations. Anyway, the sad thing is, some people are convinced all this happened and are true. About 5 billion or more actually to be closer to the truth.

I was wrong, about 6.28 million people are connected somehow to a belief system if we are going to believe AI estimate.

Globally, the best recent estimates say about 75.8% of people identify with a religion and 24.2% are religiously unaffiliated. Pew’s 2025 global landscape update reports these figures for 2020, based on worldwide census and survey data.

Approximate global totals by major belief system are:

• Christianity: 2.3 billion (28.8%)

• Islam: 2.0 billion (25.6%)

• Religiously unaffiliated (atheist, agnostic, “nothing in particular”): 1.9 billion (24.2%)

• Hinduism: about 1.2 billion (14.9%)

• Buddhism: about 0.3 billion (4.1%)

• Judaism: about 0.2% of the world population, roughly 15–16 million people

• Other religions combined (including Sikhism, Bahá’í, Jainism, Daoism, folk religions, and others): about 2.2%

Just now, MIke B Bad said:

Religions are the Devil's masterstroke......wars, torture, the suppression of science and truth, abuse of women and children.

Pure genius.

If I had to name a God it would be Christopher Hitchens.

You prefer Bikers and Holigans ? Somehow there is a need to collect peoples mind one way or another. Religion seems to be what works best in hard times. In good times people seems to forget what hard times gave them, and the circle is perfect

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

AI polished it for me

You could say it more clearly like this:

“So what is the alternative — bikers and hooligans? People seem to gather around something sooner or later. There is always some force that organizes minds, values, and identity. In hard times, religion has often been what held communities together. In good times, people often forget what helped them survive the hard times — and then the cycle repeats.”

Or

“Blaming religion for everything bad in the world is too simple. People will always organize themselves around some belief system, tribe, or identity. Religion has often done harm, yes, but it has also given people meaning, order, community, and endurance in hard times. Then, when life becomes easier, people forget why those structures mattered in the first place.”

It has always amazed me that people do this.....national teams, then city teams, then village teams.... as an example....WHO DO YOU SUPPORT!!......at its heart is evolution, a desire to belong for sure......and it is this element of evolution that leads to racism and religions.....the two worst manifestations of evolution.

2 minutes ago, MIke B Bad said:

It has always amazed me that people do this.....national teams, then city teams, then village teams.... as an example....WHO DO YOU SUPPORT!!......at its heart is evolution, a desire to belong for sure......and it is this element of evolution that leads to racism and religions.....the two worst manifestations of evolution.

Its in hour dna, survival state of mind, you against us, where the strongest tribe wins. Not so complicated thinking of everything in nature fighting for their space and resources. Even trees kills what competes with them, and cooperate with those who mutually benefit them. It is nature law

It would be a joking matter if it had not caused so many wars and deaths!

Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"

He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"

He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"

Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.

1 hour ago, MIke B Bad said:

Religions are the Devil's masterstroke......

Ah yes, but if many people don't believe in God, why should they believe in the Devil, whatever that means?

But yeah, I agree basically.

1 hour ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Actually, I have faint concept of what a troll is, as noun or verb. I just like a great story. And this one's a zinger, eh!

No not really. Just more rage bait doom scrolling material.

2 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

The Nation of Islam worldview was dominated by an apocalyptic and prophetic vision which held that the

Each religion has a "mystical branch", which is not the same at all as the common branch.

For Islam, it's Sufis. These are the whirling Dervishes. They practice meditation. The poet Rumi, who wrote some wickedly cool poetry, was a Sufi.

For Judaism, it's Kabbalah. Some rabbis are and have written interesting stuff, but it's not the conventional knowledge most people get from Judaism.

And for Christianity, there are also some super smart dudes like Meister Eckhart.

So it's not religion so much as the interpretations adopted by most followers that are the problem.

And nobody reads these books by these super smart dudes. Nobody has time and it's too deep anyway.

40 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

It would be a joking matter if it had not caused so many wars and deaths!

Neighbors kills each other for a fence, and some wonder why?

And you see the war mentality her among the typewriter heros

Any religion...any one, is full of basic common sense and basic psychology. The problem is the the religious texts were grabbed by extremists, radicals and anarchists on all sides, who used it as a pretext to serve their own madness. And this goes for every religious extremist preacher be it in the present or in the past.

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

Ah yes, but if many people don't believe in God, why should they believe in the Devil, whatever that means?

But yeah, I agree basically.

Heaven and hell is right here, you choose, and afterlife, is your offsprings

It starts with the claim that magic is real, and then moves on to control, tribalism and fraud.

Problem for Islam that no one called Mohammed ever existed in 6th century and also Mecca did not exist either .. The Quran was first written in 741AD by scholars in Baghdad after the Arab conquests and the current version was not completed until 1207AD in Damascus , The name mohammed means the chosen or beloved one did not exist until 8th century ....

Mecca was not on any ancient Nabotean , trade maps or, Hittite, babylonian, Bedouin . Roman , persian maps ever it was not even a watering hole or oasis , There was a pagan site there from ancient times which now has the Qabaa built over it .. mecca was not a religious site for islam until 8th century , built to fit the stories written in 741 .. its all fake and lies . more lies and untruths than even the old testament or New Bible testaments . All religions are bull<deleted> for weak minds and only help the powerful to contol the weak

My view is that religion is a joke, perpetrated on the uneducated over 2 thousand years ago, sadly in the following years, up to date, the majority still follow this tripe.

Get with the program people, you're born, you die, all through biology, nothing else, you just got lucky to experience life.

7 minutes ago, liddelljohn said:

Problem for Islam that no one called Mohammed ever existed in 6th century and also Mecca did not exist either .. The Quran was first written in 741AD by scholars in Baghdad after the Arab conquests and the current version was not completed until 1207AD in Damascus , The name mohammed means the chosen or beloved one did not exist until 8th century ....

Mecca was not on any ancient Nabotean , trade maps or, Hittite, babylonian, Bedouin . Roman , persian maps ever it was not even a watering hole or oasis , There was a pagan site there from ancient times which now has the Qabaa built over it .. mecca was not a religious site for islam until 8th century , built to fit the stories written in 741 .. its all fake and lies . more lies and untruths than even the old testament or New Bible testaments . All religions are bull<deleted> for weak minds and only help the powerful to contol the weak

The statement that the Quran was first written in 741 AD by scholars in Baghdad and that the current version was not completed until 1207 AD in Damascus is not accurate according to historical and scholarly consensus.

Historical Compilation of the Quran:

1. During Prophet Muhammad's Lifetime (c. 610–632 AD):
   The Quran was revealed orally to Prophet Muhammad over approximately 23 years. Portions were memorized and written down on various materials such as parchment, bones, and leaves during his lifetime.

2. Compilation under Caliph Abu Bakr (c. 632–634 AD):
   After Muhammad's death, the first caliph Abu Bakr ordered the collection of Quranic verses into a single manuscript to preserve the text, especially after many who had memorized it died in battle. This compilation was overseen by Zayd ibn Thabit, one of Muhammad's scribes.

3. Standardization under Caliph Uthman (c. 644–656 AD):
   To unify the Muslim community under one standard text, Caliph Uthman ordered the production of several copies of the Quran based on the compilation from Abu Bakr's time. These copies were sent to major Islamic centers, including Medina, Kufa, Basra, and Damascus. This is considered the basis of the "Uthmanic codex," which is the foundation of the Quranic text used today.

4. Later Manuscripts and Preservation:
   Manuscripts of the Quran from the 7th to 8th centuries exist, and the text has been preserved with remarkable consistency. There is no historical evidence that the Quran was first written in Baghdad in 741 AD or that the current version was only completed in 1207 AD in Damascus.

name Muhammad, meaning "praiseworthy" in Arabic, was used sparingly in Arabia just before the birth of the Prophet Muhammad (~570 CE), with some traditions suggesting a few children were named this in anticipation of a new prophet. While it was not a common name among the Quraysh tribe previously, it did exist in Southern Arabian inscriptions

3 hours ago, blaze master said:

No not really. Just more rage bait doom scrolling material.

Sorry you didn't like it. It tickled me. Didn't fill with with doom or rage, all too common these days.

1 hour ago, liddelljohn said:

Problem for Islam that no one called Mohammed ever existed in 6th century and also Mecca did not exist either .. The Quran was first written in 741AD by scholars in Baghdad after the Arab conquests and the current version was not completed until 1207AD in Damascus , The name mohammed means the chosen or beloved one did not exist until 8th century ....

Mecca was not on any ancient Nabotean , trade maps or, Hittite, babylonian, Bedouin . Roman , persian maps ever it was not even a watering hole or oasis , There was a pagan site there from ancient times which now has the Qabaa built over it .. mecca was not a religious site for islam until 8th century , built to fit the stories written in 741 .. its all fake and lies . more lies and untruths than even the old testament or New Bible testaments . All religions are bull<deleted> for weak minds and only help the powerful to contol the weak

Exactly my point. Are these dudes the lost tribe? Hehe...

2 hours ago, khaosokman said:

name Muhammad, meaning "praiseworthy" in Arabic, was used sparingly in Arabia just before the birth of the Prophet Muhammad (~570 CE), with some traditions suggesting a few children were named this in anticipation of a new prophet. While it was not a common name among the Quraysh tribe previously, it did exist in Southern Arabian inscriptions

I have spent a lot of time looking into this subject and speaking with some historians of islam at Oxford uni about it and they have all confirmed to me what I wrote about the first official codification of Koran being written by islamic scholars in baghdad in 741AD ,,, they do admit that the caliphs were collecting writings and testaments ,, but also state that the actual existance of mohammed is unlikley and that he is a mix of peoples stories and experiences ,, Archaological studies in the 1950s and again by the saudis when building in the 1980s confirmed the lack of any developments at Mecca pre 8th century apart from the pagan shrine ... This was a dissapointment to the saudis and they dont like to admit it .....A well was dug at mecca in mid 8th century and modern Mecca has a huge desalination plant with pipelines from the Red sea to supply the city ,, Ironicly it was Built by Bechtel an American firm ......

17 minutes ago, liddelljohn said:

I have spent a lot of time looking into this subject and speaking with some historians of islam at Oxford uni about it and they have all confirmed to me what I wrote about the first official codification of Koran being written by islamic scholars in baghdad in 741AD ,,, they do admit that the caliphs were collecting writings and testaments ,, but also state that the actual existance of mohammed is unlikley and that he is a mix of peoples stories and experiences ,, Archaological studies in the 1950s and again by the saudis when building in the 1980s confirmed the lack of any developments at Mecca pre 8th century apart from the pagan shrine ... This was a dissapointment to the saudis and they dont like to admit it .....A well was dug at mecca in mid 8th century and modern Mecca has a huge desalination plant with pipelines from the Red sea to supply the city ,, Ironicly it was Built by Bechtel an American firm ......

Jesus is made up stories too. All religions are made up.

3 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Sorry you didn't like it. It tickled me. Didn't fill with with doom or rage, all too common these days.

Sounds like you're filled with the holy spirit.

Well, the fact is I'm Buddhist. I give other religions their due respect, and I respect people who believe something that I personally don't agree with. But Buddhism has no eschatology. There truly is no beginning and no end - no creator gods, either angry & jealous or compassionate but ready to send you to hell forever and ever. But there is a rich cosmology of gods and beings in non-human realms, there are heaven and hells and everything between. But every single one of the beings, seen or unseen, are subject to the same conditions of cause and effect as well as to - change.
I have no doubt that if Mohamed believe in a heaven with 72 virgins, he'll go to a heaven with 72 virgins, and if Catholic Chris believe he's going to heaven to be with Jesus, he'll go to heaven to be with Jesus. Genocidal maniacs who lie, cheat, and steal probably go to a hell realm. However the operant condition is change - everything changes everywhere - there is no "forever." As far as eschatology, yeah, I believe that it is in the realm of possibility that some malevolent entity could come to earth and wreak havoc be it a Messiah or space aliens or Cthulhu. Do I believe this dispensationalist clap-trap that if the right conditions are created by man that <enter an entity here> will come back to Earth and send the "good" people to heaven and throw the "bad" people - including non-believers - into pits of hell-fire forever? No. Any entity who is like deserves to be tossed into hell-fire themselves. Cause and effect: you can't create suffering for others then skip by it yourself - god or naught. So I give all religions their due no matter how crazy I personally may think they are - other people believe and faith is the key.

Me personally. I believe that consciousness is indestructible. Consciousness if eternal: has always been, will always be. And consciousness is the spark of "life" that animates a being. Bodies are subject to change and die; consciousness moves on to reside in another body. That body could reside in any plane of existence, seen or unseen. Hells and Heavens, animal realm or human realm. You existence is marked by a mountain of bones.

13 hours ago, liddelljohn said:

Problem for Islam that no one called Mohammed ever existed in 6th century and also Mecca did not exist either .. The Quran was first written in 741AD by scholars in Baghdad after the Arab conquests and the current version was not completed until 1207AD in Damascus , The name mohammed means the chosen or beloved one did not exist until 8th century ....

Mecca was not on any ancient Nabotean , trade maps or, Hittite, babylonian, Bedouin . Roman , persian maps ever it was not even a watering hole or oasis , There was a pagan site there from ancient times which now has the Qabaa built over it .. mecca was not a religious site for islam until 8th century , built to fit the stories written in 741 .. its all fake and lies . more lies and untruths than even the old testament or New Bible testaments . All religions are bull<deleted> for weak minds and only help the powerful to contol the weak

But why make up lies that show the 'perfect man' as being a slave owning thief, killer, rapist, polygamist and child abuser? according to various Islamic scriptures.

15 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Each religion has a "mystical branch", which is not the same at all as the common branch.

For Islam, it's Sufis. These are the whirling Dervishes. They practice meditation. The poet Rumi, who wrote some wickedly cool poetry, was a Sufi.

For Judaism, it's Kabbalah. Some rabbis are and have written interesting stuff, but it's not the conventional knowledge most people get from Judaism.

And for Christianity, there are also some super smart dudes like Meister Eckhart.

So it's not religion so much as the interpretations adopted by most followers that are the problem.

And nobody reads these books by these super smart dudes. Nobody has time and it's too deep anyway.

That's right up there with this.



I read quite a bit about various school of mysticism when I was younger, but none of it stuck. Buddhism just made more sense and I could subjectively substantiate it though deep meditation.