What To Do If Not In Country Following Visa Renewal App?

[itchybum]

My visa is due mid June and we may be out of the country from the start of July.

What normally happens with the 'under consideration' if you are not in country to visit the office the 30 days after putting in all the paperwork?

We likely would not be back until mid August.

Also what if any problems with a re entry permit. Would I even need one for this purpose?

[lopburi3]

Believe you are talking about one year extension of stay from immigration rather than a visa. You must return by that date or your extension will end - the re-entry permit will only allow entry up to that date.

[itchybum]

Believe you are talking about one year extension of stay from immigration rather than a visa. You must return by that date or your extension will end - the re-entry permit will only allow entry up to that date.

Well that seems somewhat crazy.

So people are not allowed to travel over their renewal period?

I find that very hard to believe.

Basically, if we go, we will not be back until August, so what are the options.

If my date was 15th of June, we will most definitely not be back by 15th of July. It will be closer to 15th August.

[Issangeorge]

When I ask for an extension I get it within about an hour of asking. I can also apply any time in the same month before expiry.

[TerryLH]

You can apply 30 days early. some offices allow even earlier.

That should take care of your situation.

"So people are not allowed to travel over their renewal period?"

Of course you can choose to travel then. You can also choose to miss your appointment and start over.

In this case you should be ok. If not ok, someone could always ask their immigration office what their options are.

Some offices have been known to allow an earlier than normal application.

[digitalchromakey]

Believe you are talking about one year extension of stay from immigration rather than a visa. You must return by that date or your extension will end - the re-entry permit will only allow entry up to that date.

Well that seems somewhat crazy.

So people are not allowed to travel over their renewal period?

I find that very hard to believe.

Basically, if we go, we will not be back until August, so what are the options.

If my date was 15th of June, we will most definitely not be back by 15th of July. It will be closer to 15th August.

On what basis are you Extending your Permission to Stay?

If it's for Employment or Thai Spouse or Thai Children, then you will get a 30 day 'Under Consideration' stamp in your passport and any re-entry Permit would only preserve this date.

Extended travel around this period is difficult/not possible.

Options would be to get a new Non Immigrant Single Entry Visa whilst you are overseas then start the extension process again when you get back within 30 days of your new entry stamp expiry.

Noted that your current extension expires in mid June, 2 weeks before you travel, this is a problem if you are on an extension based on Employment in the Kingdom of Thailand, here your best plan would be to re-apply, and then delay your travel until you get the One Year approval approx 30 days later.

Retirement does not have a 30 day under consideration period - you get one year straight away on acceptance of your application.

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[digitalchromakey]

You can apply 30 days early. some offices allow even earlier.

That should take care of your situation.

"So people are not allowed to travel over their renewal period?"

Of course you can choose to travel then. You can also choose to miss your appointment and start over.

In this case you should be ok. If not ok, someone could always ask their immigration office what their options are.

Some offices have been known to allow an earlier than normal application.

Nowadays if you apply 30 days early, they will still adjust the 'under consideration' date to be 30 days after the expiry of your current one year (i.e 60 days), so unfortunately this doesn't help.

[lopburi3]

Explain your travel plans and apply for a 60 day extension to visit wife - if that is approved it is issued immediately and you can then get a re-entry permit for that period of time and make your travel and return and then do your normal one year extension of stay.

[itchybum]

Believe you are talking about one year extension of stay from immigration rather than a visa. You must return by that date or your extension will end - the re-entry permit will only allow entry up to that date.

Well that seems somewhat crazy.

So people are not allowed to travel over their renewal period?

I find that very hard to believe.

Basically, if we go, we will not be back until August, so what are the options.

If my date was 15th of June, we will most definitely not be back by 15th of July. It will be closer to 15th August.

On what basis are you Extending your Permission to Stay?

If it's for Employment or Thai Spouse or Thai Children, then you will get a 30 day 'Under Consideration' stamp in your passport and any re-entry Permit would only preserve this date.

Extended travel around this period is difficult/not possible.

Options would be to get a new Non Immigrant Single Entry Visa whilst you are overseas then start the extension process again when you get back within 30 days of your new entry stamp expiry.

Noted that your current extension expires in mid June, 2 weeks before you travel, this is a problem if you are on an extension based on Employment in the Kingdom of Thailand, here your best plan would be to re-apply, and then delay your travel until you get the One Year approval approx 30 days later.

Retirement does not have a 30 day under consideration period - you get one year straight away on acceptance of your application.

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Thai children basis.

Changing from a Thai child visa to a retirement visa, any steps or hoops to jump through for the changeover?

What if any are the considered pros and cons of thai child versus retirement visa? Apart from the 400k or 40k monthly requirements compared to the 800k for retirement, what else is there to consider as beneficial one way or the other?

[itchybum]

Explain your travel plans and apply for a 60 day extension to visit wife - if that is approved it is issued immediately and you can then get a re-entry permit for that period of time and make your travel and return and then do your normal one year extension of stay.

I don't get this?

[asiaexpat]

Work is usually not allowed on Retirement extension, whereas Non-O for support of children work is allowed (expected.)

[lopburi3]

There is a 60 day extension available to visit wife or child without financials - you had not said what your current extension was other than a 30 day review period so guessed wrong it seems if currently for child - but the same 60 day extension is available.

[IMA_FARANG]

The simplest solution is to change your travel plans until AFTER you get the visa extension finalized.

Now I'm on a retirement extension , not a mariage extension/visa, so i don't know the marriage rules.

But I thought that the 30 day "under consideration" thing was only for the first application, and each yearly extension after that did not have that "under consideration" thing.

Therefore I thought you could just renew a marriage extension without going through that "under consideration" thing again.

But of course, I could be wrong about that.... it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.

My personal opinion: which is more important to you ..... losing a year or so of work getting all your paperwork ready and then throwing the whole thing away and starting over again; or a "trip" you can reschedule for a week or two later after you get the extension approved?

Up to you, as the Thais say.... choose which is more important to you.

[lopburi3]

Such extensions have the 30 days or longer under review every year.

[itchybum]

There is a 60 day extension available to visit wife or child without financials - you had not said what your current extension was other than a 30 day review period so guessed wrong it seems if currently for child - but the same 60 day extension is available.

Still not sure what you mean by 60 day extension.

re above post, are you saying the review period which is 30 days can be extended up to 60 days?

If that is the case, then that may suit my dates. But still does not get around the issue with not being allowed any flexibility for travel around these dates.

[itchybum]

The simplest solution is to change your travel plans until AFTER you get the visa extension finalized.

Now I'm on a retirement extension , not a mariage extension/visa, so i don't know the marriage rules.

But I thought that the 30 day "under consideration" thing was only for the first application, and each yearly extension after that did not have that "under consideration" thing.

Therefore I thought you could just renew a marriage extension without going through that "under consideration" thing again.

But of course, I could be wrong about that.... it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.

My personal opinion: which is more important to you ..... losing a year or so of work getting all your paperwork ready and then throwing the whole thing away and starting over again; or a "trip" you can reschedule for a week or two later after you get the extension approved?

Up to you, as the Thais say.... choose which is more important to you.

Some times travel plans are not convenient or possible to change. If we go, it will be the dates specified or not at all. I find it rather outrageous that the rules simply will not allow the flexibility when it comes to being out of the country. We expats have overseas lives also and sometimes life gets in the way of Thai dumbass rules.

Not sure where your year or so of work comes into it? never takes me a year to get my documents together for the application, usually a day or 2 of mucking about.

[lopburi3]

I am saying there is an option without financials to visa child or wife for 60 days available - just as there is an option for one year with financials - so if you get a 60 day extension and then a re-entry permit you could leave for your trip and return and then make your one year extension of stay at the end of the 60 day extension.

[davejones]

Believe you are talking about one year extension of stay from immigration rather than a visa. You must return by that date or your extension will end - the re-entry permit will only allow entry up to that date.

Well that seems somewhat crazy.

So people are not allowed to travel over their renewal period?

I find that very hard to believe.

Basically, if we go, we will not be back until August, so what are the options.

If my date was 15th of June, we will most definitely not be back by 15th of July. It will be closer to 15th August.

An extension of stay is for those that want to stay. If you're leaving, then you don't need an extension of stay. You just apply for one when you get back.

[phuketrichard]

When I ask for an extension I get it within about an hour of asking. I can also apply any time in the same month before expiry.

that's a retirement extension not one based on Marriage ( at least here in Phuket)

the marriage route requires u to come back as the paperwork needs be sent to Bangkok

[TerryLH]

"But still does not get around the issue with not being allowed any flexibility for travel around these dates."

Immigration has a phone number to call when you have a complaint about their service. I'm sure they'd like to hear from you. The number should be in the pinned topics at the top of the forum.

You can also choose the extension date(s) that is good for you, and start over at that time.

You've been given two good options. 60 day extension or retirement extension.

[itchybum]

I don't get the 60 day extension 'to visit child or wife' though.

I am not visiting anyone am I.

Regardless of 2 options, it still means the inflexibility of such is crazy. I mean really if you wish to be a Thai apologist and agree with all their stupid rules, then so be it. But how hard would it be to put in the paperwork and give a for consideration date for a few days after your planned return? Logical right? Far more so than not allowing people to travel over that period, or telling them to change unchangeable dates.

[itchybum]

Believe you are talking about one year extension of stay from immigration rather than a visa. You must return by that date or your extension will end - the re-entry permit will only allow entry up to that date.

Well that seems somewhat crazy.

So people are not allowed to travel over their renewal period?

I find that very hard to believe.

Basically, if we go, we will not be back until August, so what are the options.

If my date was 15th of June, we will most definitely not be back by 15th of July. It will be closer to 15th August.

An extension of stay is for those that want to stay. If you're leaving, then you don't need an extension of stay. You just apply for one when you get back.

Don't think that is the case. If my visa runs out on the 15th and I do not depart until the 1st, then I have 2 weeks with no visa.

I am not aware of what issues there are for breaking the continuity of the same visa I get each year. I know several years ago if I had broken the sequence they would have had an excuse to stop my child support visa because of age, but I did not break it, had it for several years prior and the continuity allowed me to get it again when they had stopped issuing them to under 50yo's.

[digitalchromakey]

I don't get the 60 day extension 'to visit child or wife' though.

I am not visiting anyone am I.

Regardless of 2 options, it still means the inflexibility of such is crazy. I mean really if you wish to be a Thai apologist and agree with all their stupid rules, then so be it. But how hard would it be to put in the paperwork and give a for consideration date for a few days after your planned return? Logical right? Far more so than not allowing people to travel over that period, or telling them to change unchangeable dates.

National Police Order 777/2551 Case 2.24 allows anyone with a Thai Spouse or Child to apply for a one off 60 Day Extension of Permission to Stay in Thailand with no incumbant financial requirements, this is locally authorised so it has no 30 day 'under consideration' period.

Go to immigration explain that you will be travelling so cannot renew the One Year at this stage, get the 60 day extension plus a re-entry permit, go on holiday, come back and apply for the one year extension to follow on from your 60 day 'Visiting Child' Extension.

Forget any principles and your concerns about logic, stupid rules/inflexibility; the Thais will not adjust their procedures just to suit your particular needs; what Lopburi has recommended will work fine for your situation.

[Lite Beer]

If you do not visit Immigration on the date given you will lose your extension.

Just follow Lopburi 3 advice and you will be fine.

60 day extension to visit child with a re entry permit.

Apply for the 12 month extension when you return.

An easy way out of your predicament.

[OJAS]

I don't get the 60 day extension 'to visit child or wife' though.

I am not visiting anyone am I.

Regardless of 2 options, it still means the inflexibility of such is crazy. I mean really if you wish to be a Thai apologist and agree with all their stupid rules, then so be it. But how hard would it be to put in the paperwork and give a for consideration date for a few days after your planned return? Logical right? Far more so than not allowing people to travel over that period, or telling them to change unchangeable dates.

Hmm, some people just L-U-R-V-E to bang on about white being black, it seems, even where evidence to the contrary is staring them in the face!

[itchybum]

I don't get the 60 day extension 'to visit child or wife' though.

I am not visiting anyone am I.

Regardless of 2 options, it still means the inflexibility of such is crazy. I mean really if you wish to be a Thai apologist and agree with all their stupid rules, then so be it. But how hard would it be to put in the paperwork and give a for consideration date for a few days after your planned return? Logical right? Far more so than not allowing people to travel over that period, or telling them to change unchangeable dates.

National Police Order 777/2551 Case 2.24 allows anyone with a Thai Spouse or Child to apply for a one off 60 Day Extension of Permission to Stay in Thailand with no incumbant financial requirements, this is locally authorised so it has no 30 day 'under consideration' period.

Go to immigration explain that you will be travelling so cannot renew the One Year at this stage, get the 60 day extension plus a re-entry permit, go on holiday, come back and apply for the one year extension to follow on from your 60 day 'Visiting Child' Extension.

Forget any principles and your concerns about logic, stupid rules/inflexibility; the Thais will not adjust their procedures just to suit your particular needs; what Lopburi has recommended will work fine for your situation.

Thanks for that, shall give it a go.

[ubonjoe]

I don't get the 60 day extension 'to visit child or wife' though.

I am not visiting anyone am I.

Regardless of 2 options, it still means the inflexibility of such is crazy. I mean really if you wish to be a Thai apologist and agree with all their stupid rules, then so be it. But how hard would it be to put in the paperwork and give a for consideration date for a few days after your planned return? Logical right? Far more so than not allowing people to travel over that period, or telling them to change unchangeable dates.

The to visit is just a term used in the wording of the police order clause.

This is your best option.

You can get a re-entry permit for the normal under consideration period but it will only be valid until that date.

Since you apparently have done this type of extension before and were fully aware that you would have the under consideration period you should of made your plans for travel to avoid the problem

You could ask immigration to give you a longer under consideration stamp but they may say the same thing I just did.

[itchybum]

I don't get the 60 day extension 'to visit child or wife' though.

I am not visiting anyone am I.

Regardless of 2 options, it still means the inflexibility of such is crazy. I mean really if you wish to be a Thai apologist and agree with all their stupid rules, then so be it. But how hard would it be to put in the paperwork and give a for consideration date for a few days after your planned return? Logical right? Far more so than not allowing people to travel over that period, or telling them to change unchangeable dates.

The to visit is just a term used in the wording of the police order clause.

This is your best option.

You can get a re-entry permit for the normal under consideration period but it will only be valid until that date.

Since you apparently have done this type of extension before and were fully aware that you would have the under consideration period you should of made your plans for travel to avoid the problem

You could ask immigration to give you a longer under consideration stamp but they may say the same thing I just did.

You just do not get it do you?

[ubonjoe]

I get what you think but don't agree.

Rules are Rules. And you were fully aware of them before you planned your trip.

Would you break a traffic rule just because you didn't agree with the rule?

[Baerboxer]

Explain your travel plans and apply for a 60 day extension to visit wife - if that is approved it is issued immediately and you can then get a re-entry permit for that period of time and make your travel and return and then do your normal one year extension of stay.

That's what I did. 60 day extension to visit wife and bought single re-entry permit. Came back and then re-applied for the 1 year extension based on marriage which went through in the 30 days, The officers suggested this when I explained what I needed to do. I usually find that if you explain things to them they will tell you the best way to proceed.