Phuket Tourist Shooting Aussies Get Bail

[Farma]

Sounds like time for another crackdown....on "nice guy" MC members carrying illegal guns in tourist areas.

[TradeMark]

No civilian should be carrying a gun around outside of their own property. Once you step out of your gate onto the road it is a public area. Only fully trained police officers should carry a side-arm in public, not civilians. These guys did wrong regardless. They should go to jail but also so should the other guy for his crimes. No one should be standing up for these people saying it was a heat of the moment action. They shot caused harm and as such should suffer the law, plus the other guy which will eventually be caught!

If you have a license to carry you should be allowed your piece for protection in public. Did they have this , no.

Beyond that point no one is arguing with anything you just said... I never said heat of the moment was an excuse iam just saying that is what it was. Honest truth, plain and simple. Yes it was wrong, yes they did wrong. "They should be punished" rather they should face the consequences which they are doing at the moment.

The other guy was thrown in jail a few weeks after the Aussies were arrested on his prior charges and was jailed in the same jail as the "people who were trying to kill him". He is still in jail and alive.

So he is still alive in jail with people who wanted to kill him. Could this possibly be because those trying to kill him didn't have their guns with them? What a coincidence

Ha ha he apparently tried to spin stories inside the walls that they were going to kill him... They had no intention of that and the prick is not doing well with his fraudulent and lying ways inside the prison system. That stuff doesn't go over well on the inside in any system.

[TradeMark]

Sounds like time for another crackdown....on "nice guy" MC members carrying illegal guns in tourist areas.

Shame, silly pickings...

[BookMan]

I don't care if I lost you I wasn't trying to find you...

Listen you obviously locked in your mentality about how you a thug if you walk around with a gun and people must be punished for their actions whatever! And that your mates have been shot (so have mine, family members infact) but hey! Stick in your mentality with the rest of the drones.

They didn't think of the innocent bystanders they were selfish in their rage! They expressed this! Apologized for this! Cared about this part of the situation more than anything! It was the last thing they wanted! None of this would have happened if it wasn't for an internationally wanted scamming prick pulling stunts that lead to the series of events... On top of that it wouldn't have happened if police had done something when they reported the bike theft!!!!

Again I say does that make what they did right???? <deleted> NO!!!!!! I never said that but you people with this twisted attitude towards them for what they did need to see the daylight and get over your goody clappy ways! You're all slaves influenced by a skewed view of justice and a worldwide law system that often oversees the necessary and acts on the outcome for a front page article and a spot on prime time news... Makes me sick! And you eat your popcorn and comment on "bad" guy like you know him and all the details of the situation?

Please...

Trademark, You say it would not have happened for a whole host of reasons. The fact is, it would not have happened if they were not carrying guns. Real simple.

Why would someone carry a gun every day (or one time) if they did not intend to use it for purposes, such as intimidation?

The guys had a scooter business rental business? They don't have insurance or deposit or security? Scammers are always about but that doesn't give any justification for shooting off a few rounds in public, doesn't matter what 'rage' they were feeling.

You say what they did was wrong, yet you seem to want to justify and excuse their behaviour.

What is the alternative to the 'worldwide law system' we have? Decisions by individuals on their own preferred method of justice and the severity of the justice to be dealt out?

How many neighbours and friends and family of killers and terrorists have said 'they are/were such nice guys. For all we know this guy who scammed them is a really nice guy too. Their nice-guy-ness It is hardly relevant is it?

Edited April 24, 2013 by BookMan

[Farma]

Shame, silly pickings...

You can say what you like mate. There is no way you can justify someone carrying an unlicenced weapon especially in a tourist area unless they're up to no good.

[overherebc]

Look, ive gotta say - and I know most of you will scorn me for this - I think fair play to the bloke. If some idiot borrowed 380K from me and didnt pay it back, whilst continuing to live the good life in paradise, I would be happy to take simmilar action.

Of course I wouldnt because I am not that stupid and I dont have the balls anyway. But putting a couple of slugs in a blokes legs for taking you for a mug... why not?

Its obviously a shame that the the two tourists got hit though.

Just my opinion. Please just leave me alone for saying so, ok?

There are times when the use of a weapon is necessary but this was not one of them.

I agree there are times when a gun firearm is necessary but it's in the hands of someone who has taken the King's shilling and is using it to defend his or hers country. Outside that it's a substitute for no balls.

[skorchio]

This is shocking and disgusting that 2 scum who attempted to assisinate a person in daylight in a busy public street with a firearm are even considered for bail. This is premeditated attempted murder - whats says they are not going after their target again? It would mean one less witness in the box come trial time ......

But at least the cops / judiciary are consistent. We all cry foul when a local boy walks out for an offence against a tourist......

[Joe Mamma]

They are loose cannons, waiting to go off again. They need to be silenced and subdued. And punish the idiots that supplied the gun too!

[TradeMark]

I don't care if I lost you I wasn't trying to find you...

Listen you obviously locked in your mentality about how you a thug if you walk around with a gun and people must be punished for their actions whatever! And that your mates have been shot (so have mine, family members infact) but hey! Stick in your mentality with the rest of the drones.

They didn't think of the innocent bystanders they were selfish in their rage! They expressed this! Apologized for this! Cared about this part of the situation more than anything! It was the last thing they wanted! None of this would have happened if it wasn't for an internationally wanted scamming prick pulling stunts that lead to the series of events... On top of that it wouldn't have happened if police had done something when they reported the bike theft!!!!

Again I say does that make what they did right???? <deleted> NO!!!!!! I never said that but you people with this twisted attitude towards them for what they did need to see the daylight and get over your goody clappy ways! You're all slaves influenced by a skewed view of justice and a worldwide law system that often oversees the necessary and acts on the outcome for a front page article and a spot on prime time news... Makes me sick! And you eat your popcorn and comment on "bad" guy like you know him and all the details of the situation?

Please...

Trademark, You say it would not have happened for a whole host of reasons. The fact is, it would not have happened if they were not carrying guns. Real simple.

Why would someone carry a gun every day (or one time) if they did not intend to use it for purposes, such as intimidation?

The guys had a scooter business rental business? They don't have insurance or deposit or security? Scammers are always about but that doesn't give any justification for shooting off a few rounds in public, doesn't matter what 'rage' they were feeling.

You say what they did was wrong, yet you seem to want to justify and excuse their behaviour.

What is the alternative to the 'worldwide law system' we have? Decisions by individuals on their own preferred method of justice and the severity of the justice to be dealt out?

How many neighbours and friends and family of killers and terrorists have said 'they are/were such nice guys. For all we know this guy who scammed them is a really nice guy too. Their nice-guy-ness It is hardly relevant is it?

Fast answers to each paragraph and please note AGAIN! I AM NOT TRYING TO JUSTIFY WHAT THEY DID:

Yes it would not have happened if they had no guns. What came first the chicken or the egg?

They carried it for protection from rival MC clubs.

Yes it was the principle of being scammed they weren't going to let it go negligent of compensation from 3rd parties. I am not saying it justifies anything.

Ideally yes but we too far gone and our control of humans has led to worse people.

I know the guy who scammed them and I also know one of the hotel owners he scammed on Phuket. Slimy, story telling, weird breed who can't look you I the eye. But yea you right everyone has a mother.

[TradeMark]

This is shocking and disgusting that 2 scum who attempted to assisinate a person in daylight in a busy public street with a firearm are even considered for bail. This is premeditated attempted murder - whats says they are not going after their target again? It would mean one less witness in the box come trial time ......

But at least the cops / judiciary are consistent. We all cry foul when a local boy walks out for an offence against a tourist......

Do you even know your arse from your elbow?? You clearly have zero knowledge of the situation?? You post just to chime in with the "hang draw and quarter them" gang on thaivisa?

[TradeMark]

This is shocking and disgusting that 2 scum who attempted to assisinate a person in daylight in a busy public street with a firearm are even considered for bail. This is premeditated attempted murder - whats says they are not going after their target again? It would mean one less witness in the box come trial time ......

But at least the cops / judiciary are consistent. We all cry foul when a local boy walks out for an offence against a tourist......

And please go and research the word "Assassinate" while you're at it before you look like even more of a conforming drone idiot.

[deesamui]

These guys are 2 of the nicest gents you will ever meet! Swing by one of the Johnny tattoo spots and see for yourself... Also the misleading stories in the press are so far from the actual situation it's scary, I think they make stuff up on the spot to make the story flow, for those of you who don't know:

The prick they were after is wanted in his home country on fraud charges, scammed numerous hotels and businesses in Thailand and was out on bail in Thailand when this whole situation happened!

The guy they were after had basically stolen one of their rental scooters (after renting, not paying and thereafter not returning and hiding). It was not a big bike or a loan as the various media states.

The Aussies had "reported" this to the cops who had told them they should handle it with the prick. The cops had said he was on bail on a current charge and that he had a bail check appearance on X date.

The Aussies went to the court and the prick didn't show up to sign his bail check report and they were left in the same situation they started in. This guy was not only running from them but wasn't checking in with the courthouse in Phuket.

These guys did not walk out in a premeditated fashion to shoot this guy, they are always strapped/carrying so nothing was different on this day when looking for the prick. These guys are MC members and decent guys but you're taking the piss with any business owner especially these ones if you pull a stunt like this. To add insult to injury no one was helping them sort it out "correctly" so they took matters into their own hands and the rest is history. They missed because the guy was on the stolen scooter when they fired at him not 2feet away and having a convo with them as media states. They were looking for him and the prick scoots straight past them on the "stolen" bike.

Impulse reaction? Whip out my gun and have a shot? A bit drastic to anyone following the story... Even crazier when friends of the gunman heard this because he is the most placid and relaxed guy you can ever meet. Stories of people hitting on his girlfriend and him buying them a drink for the compliment type of guy.

That bail money is not bribe money it's all fully legal negotiated by their lawyers, set by the court and paid to the court. With the court system in Thailand they are now awaiting full submission of evidence by the police, after that the initial hearing, court hearing and sentencing thereafter... A process that can take up to and over 2 years especially with a not guilty plea.

Know the facts before commenting. You or me might not have whipped out a gun but if an obvious ***** was trying to add me to his list of victims I would have been on the same rampant mission as these Aussies went on to sort it out!

They are the good guys in the situation and they are genuinely sorry for the innocent bystanders and regret their actions. They have conveyed this feeling to the bystanders who are back in their home country and have no intentions of coming to thailand to aid in any part of the proceedings.

Don't go and bash these guys on open forum they have families and they were the good guys and acted stupidly in a fit of rage which they are obviously paying for...

nice gents, good guys besides they are not the brightest lights in the ballroom, they are criminals, who should be locked up, a white guy who runs around with a pistol in broad daylight in LOS, has a reason for it, most the time the reason is : he is involved in criminal activities, most likely drug related. they tried to kill another scumbag for 12000 $, what a joke, wooden baseball

bat is the way to go,or hire a pro who CAN do the job, on top of that the shots hit innocent bystanders, good guys for shure , Mr trademark if you seriously think that these ozzies are good guys, nice gents like you, I would not like to be in your company and btw how do you describe a bad guy ?

lock em up for 20 years and..... next

[Locationthailand]

Sorry - these two do deserve what they get - I am as shocked as anyone that they were even allowed bail, as they are naturally a flight risk I would have thought, and also "attempted murder" (and I would have thought a GBH charge as well) is not exactly minor.

I would also doubt that they have the required permits to carry a gun - although that is a much less serious issue, but still one that indicates their state of mind - surely it is illegal for foreigners to carry guns, no matter what?

These guys are definitely coming across as scumbags - I am ashamed that they are Australian - I hope REAL justice is actually applied, and not the pathetic weak-kneed version that infests the western countries either!

As a fellow Aussie yes, these guys are scum bags of the primal order. To let them out on bail would have involved more than a payoff, apart from the bail, and I understand they are also members of a bike gang. This also is in keeping with the way things in the drug business are now being handled in places like Queensland with drug sales, and the likes of these guys are the central distributors.

[Tchooptip]

Morons like these two make me ashamed to be Australian.

+ Not far for ashamed of being a farang

[delh]

No civilian should be carrying a gun around outside of their own property. Once you step out of your gate onto the road it is a public area. Only fully trained police officers should carry a side-arm in public, not civilians. These guys did wrong regardless. They should go to jail but also so should the other guy for his crimes. No one should be standing up for these people saying it was a heat of the moment action. They shot caused harm and as such should suffer the law, plus the other guy which will eventually be caught!

If you have a license to carry you should be allowed your piece for protection in public. Did they have this , no.

Beyond that point no one is arguing with anything you just said... I never said heat of the moment was an excuse iam just saying that is what it was. Honest truth, plain and simple. Yes it was wrong, yes they did wrong. "They should be punished" rather they should face the consequences which they are doing at the moment.

The other guy was thrown in jail a few weeks after the Aussies were arrested on his prior charges and was jailed in the same jail as the "people who were trying to kill him". He is still in jail and alive.

So he is still alive in jail with people who wanted to kill him. Could this possibly be because those trying to kill him didn't have their guns with them? What a coincidence

Ha ha he apparently tried to spin stories inside the walls that they were going to kill him... They had no intention of that and the prick is not doing well with his fraudulent and lying ways inside the prison system. That stuff doesn't go over well on the inside in any system.

Er, you have also commented that they had no intention to shoot him whilst looking for him. But they tried anyway despite your assurances.

[attento]

Surely, the whole point is, " did the strategy of attempting to shoot the guy bring about the return of the money ? "

Even if he had been a better shot, was it ever likely too ?

The most effective use of a small weapon is as a threat, actually using it demonstrates that the arguement is lost.

Edited April 24, 2013 by attento

[deesamui]

they carried their guns for protection against rival MC gangs !! the drug dealer bell is rinnnnnnnnnnnging and this is probably the background of the story, scumbag stole scooter and didn't pay for meth or coc and they try to pop em! ok, lock em up for 40

[Baerboxer]

@delh

I own a gun and carry it in my home country with a permit? Does this make me a bad guy?

Also they didn't go out with the intent of touching him, never mind breaking legs or firing a shot off! They were trying to find him for over a month... Eventually here comes the guy on the stolen scooter, sees them pulls grip to speed past?? They tried to stop him when he scooted past, imagine the frustration?? They don't call it blind rage for nothing...

No that does not make you a bad guy at all. You have the required permit to legally carry the gun and are acting in acordance with the law in that country.

I don't know if the two Aussies in this story had the required legal permits to carry guns in Thailand. If not then they are knowingly breaking the law, which does make them one of the bad guys.

Would you take out your legally carried gun and discharge it in a crowded area, knowing the risks, in similar circumstances?

I don't know the individuals so cannot comment on their nature. But the facts are the facts.

[Dr Wanchai]

These two guys are complete idiots, however how much has the Red Bull kid have to pay for killing a ranking police office with his car??? Oh that's right he's still in his mansion never spending one day in jail or hasn't paid any fine outside of tr compensation to the family. Can you say double standard for foreigners?? How much of that 5million went into the pockets of polices pockets is a good question probably all of it.

So what ? What has the case of the Red Bull kid have anything to do with this ??

These two cases have no comparison. You people stick to your own kind, speak up for your own

kind and have empathy for your own kind. Just because he is white everyone white seems to have

empathy for him.

Let him rot in Bangkok Hilton.

[HerbalEd]

Look, ive gotta say - and I know most of you will scorn me for this - I think fair play to the bloke. If some idiot borrowed 380K from me and didnt pay it back, whilst continuing to live the good life in paradise, I would be happy to take simmilar action.

Of course I wouldnt because I am not that stupid and I dont have the balls anyway. But putting a couple of slugs in a blokes legs for taking you for a mug... why not?

Its obviously a shame that the the two tourists got hit though.

Just my opinion. Please just leave me alone for saying so, ok?

He didn't put any "slugs" in anyone except the tourists.

"EXCEPT the tourists"?? Well OK then ... fair enough. Let them go.

[Pops]

Remember the Thai actor a couple of months ago, I think his name was "Phee" or something, he shot somebody dead, cold blooded and all was filmed on CCTV camera.

His bail was set at 200K THB.

What do you mean, different set of standards ???

[Eesat]

@delh

I own a gun and carry it in my home country with a permit? Does this make me a bad guy?

Also they didn't go out with the intent of touching him, never mind breaking legs or firing a shot off! They were trying to find him for over a month... Eventually here comes the guy on the stolen scooter, sees them pulls grip to speed past?? They tried to stop him when he scooted past, imagine the frustration?? They don't call it blind rage for nothing...

What an absolute load of massive BS!

This guy is packing 24/7,he sees his stolen second-hand hairdryer and his first reaction is to pull his piece out and start blasting like Dirty Harry,in the process shooting two completely innocent bystanders on holiday?

Does he by any chance attend church regularly also?

[Halion]

Business as usual in Thailand. Deal has been done for a significant chunk of change and they are gone. .

[jamesdoe1234]

I've never known a decent bloke that needs his mates help to slap one bloke?

I've never known a decent bloke to fire off a gun with families around?

Who takes a weapon with them that can be used against them when they are off to brawl?

Pull the other one.

[deecee10]

Showing remorse after you have committed a serious offence is fine, but the fact is that this incident should never have happened in the first place. If one of the innocent bystanders had been killed, what good would remorse be to them or their loved ones?

These two characters are a menace to society if they carry guns and are prone to hotheaded behaviour.

[Jaybonnaza]

Ok

Owning a gun is not illegal in Thailand if you have the required licenses - fact

There is more to this story , to do with drugs deal gone wrong - that is the word on the street in the people in the know ....

Best thing is they do time

[lemoncake]

Ok

Owning a gun is not illegal in Thailand if you have the required licenses - fact

There is more to this story , to do with drugs deal gone wrong - that is the word on the street in the people in the know ....

Best thing is they do time

Good to see you know "people in the know" and the local laws

So do tell me, under what section of the law in Thailand, a foreigner can own a gun and carry it out in public?

[delh]

@delh

I own a gun and carry it in my home country with a permit? Does this make me a bad guy?

Also they didn't go out with the intent of touching him, never mind breaking legs or firing a shot off! They were trying to find him for over a month... Eventually here comes the guy on the stolen scooter, sees them pulls grip to speed past?? They tried to stop him when he scooted past, imagine the frustration?? They don't call it blind rage for nothing...

So you carry a gun in your own country, fair enough. Is Thailand your own country ? Have you aimed and fired it off in the street? So they had no plans to touch him? So what was their plan whilst looking for him, whilst carrying guns or otherwise?

The fact that they fired a shot, blind rage or not, demonstrates why they should not be carrying guns.

Their plan was to find him at the court or his hotel and give a good roughing and "take" their bike and owed money back... But they found him and he did a runner and things got out of control without time to think of consequences! Not much time when your gameplan speeds off on your scooter, definitely the wrong impulse call on their behalf and they have admitted such.

This is even better. You have stated that the guys are the nicest guys we could meet. The nicest guys I have met have never given anyone a 'good roughing' You are deluding yourself.

[DRONGOH]

I know it's selfish to lump it on others but I wish more of these d1ckheads types would leave Australian shores only to wind up in a shithole prison.

Well that, plus the fact that it would be nice to see a few present day stories in the Banged Up Abroad episodes.

Selfinflicted.

[DRONGOH]

Remember the Thai actor a couple of months ago, I think his name was "Phee" or something, he shot somebody dead, cold blooded and all was filmed on CCTV camera.

His bail was set at 200K THB.

What do you mean, different set of standards ???

He didn't mean it, he was just acting.