Liverpool F.c.

[uptheos]

Impossible yet to gauge whats going to happen happen. City will be there and challenging. they'll quite likely have Sergio Aguero upfront too who's rather handy. Liverpool have made good buys but Kenny has to gel them quickly. I reckon alot depends on the performance and fitness of the Suarez/Carroll duo upfront. Utd strong again. Chelsea are a boil on the arse of the premier league and i don't wish to discuss them.

Yeah right,

Only Tevez kept them challenging last season with his goals and I think the second highest scorers with 6 goals each were Baby Balotelli and Yaya Toure. With no Tevez and if Aguero proves to be as successful as Baby Balotelli and Flat Footed Dzecko, I think City will struggle to be in the top four.

[carmine]

Impossible yet to gauge whats going to happen happen. City will be there and challenging. they'll quite likely have Sergio Aguero upfront too who's rather handy. Liverpool have made good buys but Kenny has to gel them quickly. I reckon alot depends on the performance and fitness of the Suarez/Carroll duo upfront. Utd strong again. Chelsea are a boil on the arse of the premier league and i don't wish to discuss them.

Yeah right,

Only Tevez kept them challenging last season with his goals and I think the second highest scorers with 6 goals each were Baby Balotelli and Yaya Toure. With no Tevez and if Aguero proves to be as successful as Baby Balotelli and Flat Footed Dzecko, I think City will struggle to be in the top four.

Dream on pal.......

[uptheos]

Impossible yet to gauge whats going to happen happen. City will be there and challenging. they'll quite likely have Sergio Aguero upfront too who's rather handy. Liverpool have made good buys but Kenny has to gel them quickly. I reckon alot depends on the performance and fitness of the Suarez/Carroll duo upfront. Utd strong again. Chelsea are a boil on the arse of the premier league and i don't wish to discuss them.

Yeah right,

Only Tevez kept them challenging last season with his goals and I think the second highest scorers with 6 goals each were Baby Balotelli and Yaya Toure. With no Tevez and if Aguero proves to be as successful as Baby Balotelli and Flat Footed Dzecko, I think City will struggle to be in the top four.

Dream on pal.......

I look forward to seeing City's new high scorer.

[MrRed]

From the BBC:

Liverpool may reduce tickets for Manchester United fans

http://www.bbc.co.uk...eyside-14256327

Seems a bit arbitrary to just do it for United fans.

Petty Jealousy on behalf of the self pity city reds,what next they will ban us completely!

Maybe it was against a certain banner that was unfolded at the end of last season 19

[nev]

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Mrred what are you doing on here this is a liverpool only forum,there is no banter to be allowed on here only positive liverpool stories mate.

[Abrak]

From the BBC:

Liverpool may reduce tickets for Manchester United fans

http://www.bbc.co.uk...eyside-14256327

Seems a bit arbitrary to just do it for United fans.

Petty Jealousy on behalf of the self pity city reds,what next they will ban us completely!

Maybe it was against a certain banner that was unfolded at the end of last season 19

To be fair it is the Liverpool City Council who are taking this action.

But it is petty. And if we have 3,000 United fans at a match and they are in the wrong place it is a stewarding problem by the club not an issue with a few supporters. As you say very petty indeed and doesnt make our club look good.

Hopefully Man U will not be equally petty and reduce the number of tickets on offer to LFC supporters to Old Trafford but I suspect that will be the likely response.

(As a simple fact ManU get allocated more seats because LFC allocates on the basis of the lower of 3,000 or 5% of your stadium capacity. So it is not indiscriminate it reflects the size of their stadium.)

[MrRed]

From the BBC:

Liverpool may reduce tickets for Manchester United fans

http://www.bbc.co.uk...eyside-14256327

Seems a bit arbitrary to just do it for United fans.

Petty Jealousy on behalf of the self pity city reds,what next they will ban us completely!

Maybe it was against a certain banner that was unfolded at the end of last season 19

To be fair it is the Liverpool City Council who are taking this action.

But it is petty. And if we have 3,000 United fans at a match and they are in the wrong place it is a stewarding problem by the club not an issue with a few supporters. As you say very petty indeed and doesnt make our club look good.

Hopefully Man U will not be equally petty and reduce the number of tickets on offer to LFC supporters to Old Trafford but I suspect that will be the likely response.

(As a simple fact ManU get allocated more seats because LFC allocates on the basis of the lower of 3,000 or 5% of your stadium capacity. So it is not indiscriminate it reflects the size of their stadium.)

Aha!!!...i always said size does matter,thanks for the verifacation stato

[MrRed]

Petty Jealousy on behalf of the self pity city reds,what next they will ban us completely!

Maybe it was against a certain banner that was unfolded at the end of last season 19

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Mrred what are you doing on here this is a liverpool only forum,there is no banter to be allowed on here only positive liverpool stories mate.

Yep Nev! and they are famous for there wit,must be at their wits end now eh? or out of towners from Chester.

Trying to feel the positivity from the few souls who are relishing the new season under King Kenny.....Rooney stylie!

[StevieH]

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i actually agree with the well red bloke and would prefer they don't cut united's allocation - best matchday atmosphere at anfield is when them cun_ts turn up. most of them are alright and just noisy - the horrible hillsborough-singing bellends aside.

plus the more tickets they have the more of them there are to get jumped by the urchins in stanley park after the match.

[MrRed]

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i actually agree with the well red bloke and would prefer they don't cut united's allocation - best matchday atmosphere at anfield is when them cun_ts turn up. most of them are alright and just noisy - the horrible hillsborough-singing bellends aside.

plus the more tickets they have the more of them there are to get jumped by the urchins in stanley park after the match.

Thats at Everton Stevie,your lot are hiding around Lime street usually lets not get in a tit for tat about singing bellends shall we?

or the standing in the kop for that matter.

[MrRed]

King Kenny is not a happy bunny about your 3-0 mauling by the Tigers yesterday is he?

[sharecropper]

King Kenny is not a happy bunny about your 3-0 mauling by the Tigers yesterday is he?

King Comolli - sorry Kenny - has a lot to prove this year for sure. Whether he has time to mould the new squad into a team remains to be seen.

[Abrak]

King Kenny is not a happy bunny about your 3-0 mauling by the Tigers yesterday is he?

King Comolli - sorry Kenny - has a lot to prove this year for sure. Whether he has time to mould the new squad into a team remains to be seen.

I dont think Kenny has anything to prove. He proved it all last season when he got the team back up to 6th despite a large number of injury problems. He cant simply be expected to take that success and translate it forward into a top 4 position this season.

Also while we have done some business in the transfer window, much is left undone. We have buckets of deadwood - Cole, Ngog, Jovanovic, Aquilani etc - taking up the pay roll and we have large holes in the back 4 and a need for another striker/winger.

It is a ridiculous equation to hold the success he achieved last season as a parameter for what he should achieve this season.

[scousemouse]

King Kenny is not a happy bunny about your 3-0 mauling by the Tigers yesterday is he?

King Comolli - sorry Kenny - has a lot to prove this year for sure. Whether he has time to mould the new squad into a team remains to be seen.

I dont think Kenny has anything to prove. He proved it all last season when he got the team back up to 6th despite a large number of injury problems. He cant simply be expected to take that success and translate it forward into a top 4 position this season.

Also while we have done some business in the transfer window, much is left undone. We have buckets of deadwood - Cole, Ngog, Jovanovic, Aquilani etc - taking up the pay roll and we have large holes in the back 4 and a need for another striker/winger.

It is a ridiculous equation to hold the success he achieved last season as a parameter for what he should achieve this season.

Totally agree Abrak.

[scousemouse]

Jovanovic , Cole are defo going and also maybe Ngog and hopefully Aquilani , all of them gone will trim the wage bill somewhat . I've just heard Kenny wants to replace the departing strikers Jovanovic and N'gog with Hugo Rodellega .

I myself would be happy swapping them 2 for him. Obviously Lou and Andy are our starting strikers but with injuries and suspensions sure to happen I would rather we had Rodellega on the bench than those 2. Rodellega is in to the last year of his contract so looks like Wigan will have to sell , think they want 9 million but hopefully Kenny gets him a bit cheaper , even so paying 9 mill and getting rid of Jovanovic and N'gog is still a good bit of business IMO.

[scousemouse]

Also Kenny is willing to let Raul Meireles and Maxi leave. With Rodriguez , Cole and Jovanovic on £100,000 a week looks like this season's wage bill will be quite a bit lower than the last !.

[sharecropper]

Also Kenny is willing to let Raul Meireles and Maxi leave. With Rodriguez , Cole and Jovanovic on £100,000 a week looks like this season's wage bill will be quite a bit lower than the last !.

But who will buy these people at their inflated transfer values and weekly wages? I don't think it will be easy to get rid of them all, if they aren't all prepared to take massive pay cuts.

[sharecropper]

It is a ridiculous equation to hold the success he achieved last season as a parameter for what he should achieve this season.

He achieved zero success last season except maybe the immediate burst of excitement and enthusiasm which got you some results and saved you from a relegation scrap (seriously). I thought your season ended badly, results-wise.

Finishing 6th instead of 7th the year before is not really a success, or do you mean by avoiding the relegation vortex?

[Abrak]

It is a ridiculous equation to hold the success he achieved last season as a parameter for what he should achieve this season.

He achieved zero success last season except maybe the immediate burst of excitement and enthusiasm which got you some results and saved you from a relegation scrap (seriously). I thought your season ended badly, results-wise.

Finishing 6th instead of 7th the year before is not really a success, or do you mean by avoiding the relegation vortex?

Well based on simple objective measures it would imply different.

1) the most obvious comparison is with his predecessor so Hodgson scored 25 points from 20 games and Dalglish scored 33 points from 18 games. But I would agree the bar for success is very low against Hodgson.

2) so if we look at absolute numbers we find that 33 points from 18 games equates to 70 points from 38 games. On that basis LFC would have come 3rd with only clubs spending more on wages actually achieving more points. Quite impressive with an injury list.

3) finally you need to compare Dalglish with his predecessor, Benitez, playing against the same teams last year. During the 18 games Dalglish scored 4 more points against thenequivalent games for Benitez.

So clearly I understand your point that Dalglish did not win the Premiership last year. I would also agree that if you took the last 2 games alone LFC were at the bottom of the league. My 7 year old daughter did point out that if you allocated scores according to the vowels in their name and divided by their managers number of letters in his name, the team would get relegated.

[Jimjim]

Bad result but in the end it was just a friendly and Kenny said he worked them hard on Friday simulating a whole match and they all ran 9000 or 1000 meters.

They really didn't look fresh and maybe that was one reason why!

Still, we need to see the team doing a bit better than that, I'd think.

Hey this is way behind the times but the summer tour of Asia this year got me thinking to when Liverpool came to Bangkok 2 years ago and I went to the match. If you remember, Profitable Group brought LFC to Asia, that year.

So, I was also thinking about Profitable Group as I recently talked to a friend who used to work for them in Bangkok, and I vaguely remember her telling me she didn't work for them anymore. So I looked them up on the internet. Their site no longer exists and looks like their whole business was a scam, though I don't think my friend realized that as she was just a rep and frankly I think the fine details would have been over her head. Sure she realized in the end.

Sucks that Steve McMahon et al were involved with this scammy group and I wonder who much they really knew. Even King Kenny was involved with them, at least when they claimed they wanted to buy Newcastle. His advisement there may have been his only involvement, I don't know. Looks like any stories I looked up searching K. Kenny's name and the group that the only thing that comes up are stories about the proposed Newcastle takeover two years back. I'm sure they never had any intention to buy NFC and merely wanted to get their name out there to attract more investors in their bogus land and boron schemes. Crazy stuff.

Here's a link on all of it

Hard to find much more than the links from that site. Surprised I didn't find a bit more about it, honestly. I'm sure McMahon and other footballers hope their association to those scammers is forgotten asap.

Also a shame LFC had any involvement at all with them. Disappointing.

It's a minor thing and Hicks and Gillette was a much bigger scandal upon our club than this could ever be, but I just found it interesting, nonetheless. Sorry to go off topic a bit but I thought it was relevant to LFC for obvious reasons.

[MrRed]

Profitable also claims interests in sport and recruitment. Former Scottish footballer Kenny Dalglish is listed as an executive on its sporting side.

[Jimjim]

Profitable also claims interests in sport and recruitment. Former Scottish footballer Kenny Dalglish is listed as an executive on its sporting side.

Yes, just as I noted.

But all I can find is he was advising them on their "takeover."

[StevieH]

He achieved zero success last season except maybe the immediate burst of excitement and enthusiasm which got you some results and saved you from a relegation scrap (seriously). I thought your season ended badly, results-wise.

i don't know about anyone else but i for one am relieved and happy that we have an evertonian in our midst able to tell us what the definition of 'success' is.

it's sort of like having a blind man telling you that the mona lisa isn't really all that to look at.

[carmine]

It is a ridiculous equation to hold the success he achieved last season as a parameter for what he should achieve this season.

He achieved zero success last season except maybe the immediate burst of excitement and enthusiasm which got you some results and saved you from a relegation scrap (seriously). I thought your season ended badly, results-wise.

Finishing 6th instead of 7th the year before is not really a success, or do you mean by avoiding the relegation vortex?

I can't really agree with you on that. I think Dalglish did the best job he could have under the circumstances. The season ended on a reasonable high, giving optimism for next season which was never there prior to him taking over. Personally speaking, i'f i were a red i'd be delighted with how it finished and the signing of Suarez was a major coup for next season. The other transfer buys have been overpriced but they are all solid signings too. The juries still out on Carroll but as an Englishman i'll be quite content to be proven wrong about him.

[Jimjim]

You, he's right.

Ending the season with 2 straight losses and not scoring, that's bad.

However, obviously he ignored the 5 games before that; outscouring opponents 17-3 and 13 points out of 15, that's not bad.

[sharecropper]

You, he's right.

Ending the season with 2 straight losses and not scoring, that's bad.

However, obviously he ignored the 5 games before that; outscouring opponents 17-3 and 13 points out of 15, that's not bad.

I didn't ignore those games, they were central to my post. That run saved you from a relegation scrap.

[sharecropper]

He achieved zero success last season except maybe the immediate burst of excitement and enthusiasm which got you some results and saved you from a relegation scrap (seriously). I thought your season ended badly, results-wise.

i don't know about anyone else but i for one am relieved and happy that we have an evertonian in our midst able to tell us what the definition of 'success' is.

it's sort of like having a blind man telling you that the mona lisa isn't really all that to look at.

But he'd be right, wouldn't he. She's a right minger.

And on the basis that a broken clock is right twice a day, I will continue trying to bring (especially) you to your senses and to objectively assess your team in its new "post-success" phase.

Who knows, We may even make an Everton fan of you yet - or a Man U fan, if you still hanker after CONSISTENT footy success anytime soon!

[Abrak]

And on the basis that a broken clock is right twice a day, I will continue trying to bring (especially) you to your senses and to objectively assess your team in its new "post-success" phase.

Great so that means that you will be correct in 1 out of 43,200 posts.

[StevieH]

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<br />He achieved zero success last season except maybe the immediate burst of excitement and enthusiasm which got you some results and saved you from a relegation scrap (seriously). I thought your season ended badly, results-wise.<br />

<br /><br />i don't know about anyone else but i for one am relieved and happy that we have an evertonian in our midst able to tell us what the definition of 'success' is.<br /><br />it's sort of like having a blind man telling you that the mona lisa isn't really all that to look at.<br />

<br /><br />But he'd be right, wouldn't he. She's a right minger.<br /><br />And on the basis that a broken clock is right twice a day, I will continue trying to bring (especially) you to your senses and to objectively assess your team in its new "post-success" phase.<br /><br />Who knows, We may even make an Everton fan of you yet - or a Man U fan, if you still hanker after CONSISTENT footy success anytime soon! <img src='http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /><br />

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similarly only an evertonian is so privileged as to consider the most beautiful artwork in history a 'minger'.

everton wives, run for your lives.

[Abrak]

I must say the phrase I most dislike to hear from a player at Liverpool 'I want to stay at Liverpool and I am going to fight for my place in the team'

It what it nearly always means is 'It has already been made clear to me than I have no place in the first team but no-one else wants me on my current wages, so I am sticking around'.

We have seen it with Poulsen Jovanovic and now Cole. You cant entirely blame the players but it does mean the team is stuck.

I cant help feeling that LFC have done some good business but it has been made pretty clear that they have to get rid of the 'deadwood' to make further acquisitions. I rather hope that this is where DC excels. If we are stuck with Cole say next year it will be at the expense of a first team alternative.