Liverpool F.c.

[MrRed]

What I hate about this whole process is that the right place to discuss whether the use of the word 'Negro' is racial abuse is in a Law Court not at the FA.

absolutely spot on this. the three-man panel is made of football administrators not remotely qualified to judge on this sort of subject.

Do you actually know the three guys history? i think they are very qualified in trying to promote a racism free football arena,you could say that they maybe be biased against Suraez because of this?

[Devil]

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What I hate about this whole process is that the right place to discuss whether the use of the word 'Negro' is racial abuse is in a Law Court not at the FA.

absolutely spot on this. the three-man panel is made of football administrators not remotely qualified to judge on this sort of subject.

Do you actually know the three guys history? i think they are very qualified in trying to promote a racism free football arena,you could say that they maybe be biased against Suraez because of this?

Have you not heard the three man panel is Gill, Ferguson and Charlton...

[MrRed]

Paul Goulding QC – Specialist member οf thе FA’s judicial panel ѕіnсе 2008.

Brian Jones – Chairman οf thе Sheffield аnԁ Hallamshire FA

Denis Smith – Thе former Sunderland manager.

[smokie36]

Paul Goulding QC – Specialist member οf thе FA's judicial panel ѕіnсе 2008.

Brian Jones – Chairman οf thе Sheffield аnԁ Hallamshire FA

Denis Smith – Thе former Sunderland manager.

Not a dole scrounger amongst 'em. He's being fitted up I tell ya!

[Abrak]

Paul Goulding QC – Specialist member οf thе FA’s judicial panel ѕіnсе 2008.

Brian Jones – Chairman οf thе Sheffield аnԁ Hallamshire FA

Denis Smith – Thе former Sunderland manager.

Yes... I thought they were taking the piss too. 'Chairman of the Sheffield and Hallamshire FA' 'Former manager of Sunderland 1987-1991' 'Bishop Storford water carrier 2002-2006' etc....

[JacknDanny]

Paul Goulding QC – Specialist member οf thе FA’s judicial panel ѕіnсе 2008.

Brian Jones – Chairman οf thе Sheffield аnԁ Hallamshire FA

Denis Smith – Thе former Sunderland manager.

Suarrez should be ok then

Denis Smith was a well known racist, especially when he was after <deleted> Manchu.

Didnt know he managed Sunderland though!

[StevieH]

that would be denis smith, good friend of alex ferguson then yes?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/8959962/Liverpool-striker-Luis-Suarez-sweating-on-verdict-in-Patrice-Evra-race-abuse-row.html

[MrRed]

that would be denis smith, good friend of alex ferguson then yes?

http://www.telegraph...-abuse-row.html

Hooked

Anything to protect the lad Stevie.......you know this has been all over the Liverpool boards and it is another embarresment to your terrible PR campaign.

Like you said last month if he is guilty there is no place for racism in the game and he should face the consequencies.yes?

[Devil]

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BTW I do find it quite amusing that Suarez has turned into some 'cartoon sort of villain'.

In today's Times there is a picture of Suarez giving the bird. In the article it says 'much of the current controversy will depend if there is sufficient video evidence to support pictures of Suarez making gestures towards the crowd'.

Wait a moment... where did that come from...

Has he denied doing it? Has he done anything wrong? What is the appropriate punishment?

But if he is not charged. Will people think he is guilty but there was not sufficient evidence? And so was he charged with being racist because there was?

Reminds me of this french guy I was out with in BKK... we were chatting to this girl...I have a dog ... it has 3 legs ...and it was previously abused... <deleted>

Incidently, what on earth was Dalglish on when he said it was not Liverpools fault there was a man standing in the way in relevence to the Spearing tackle?

No no no Carms, the other team are not allowed to have a man standing near the ball, that makes it much too difficult

By the way carms it seems dev's lost 10 years somewhere, he's still using part time refs and playing by the rules from then

Going back to an older topic - actually agree on some recent comments I read from an ex player.

"First, to help refs out, linesmen should also go professional and work as a unit with the same referee every week. That would improve understanding and stop the silly errors"

[carmine]

BTW I do find it quite amusing that Suarez has turned into some 'cartoon sort of villain'.

In today's Times there is a picture of Suarez giving the bird. In the article it says 'much of the current controversy will depend if there is sufficient video evidence to support pictures of Suarez making gestures towards the crowd'.

Wait a moment... where did that come from...

Has he denied doing it? Has he done anything wrong? What is the appropriate punishment?

But if he is not charged. Will people think he is guilty but there was not sufficient evidence? And so was he charged with being racist because there was?

Reminds me of this french guy I was out with in BKK... we were chatting to this girl...I have a dog ... it has 3 legs ...and it was previously abused... <deleted>

Incidently, what on earth was Dalglish on when he said it was not Liverpools fault there was a man standing in the way in relevence to the Spearing tackle?

No no no Carms, the other team are not allowed to have a man standing near the ball, that makes it much too difficult

By the way carms it seems dev's lost 10 years somewhere, he's still using part time refs and playing by the rules from then

Going back to an older topic - actually agree on some recent comments I read from an ex player.

"First, to help refs out, linesmen should also go professional and work as a unit with the same referee every week. That would improve understanding and stop the silly errors"

Who on earth would want to work with Chris Foy every week?

[carmine]

Since this little FA panal is finding it so hard to find the so called racist slur you would think that they might just realise that theres actually nothing in it! Then it will be another black mark against Patrice "race card" Evra.

Their time would have been better spent investigating that brutal forearm smash.

[MrRed]

Since this little FA panal is finding it so hard to find the so called racist slur you would think that they might just realise that theres actually nothing in it! Then it will be another black mark against Patrice "race card" Evra.

Their time would have been better spent investigating that brutal forearm smash.

If Evra is found to be using the race card in this way he wants banning for life,but from what i see there was no charge from the FA about this,i actually think they could only charge him with bringing the game into disrepute but that would be very difficult under these circumstances,it all boils down to Suarez has admitted calling him a "negrito" which he says they use all the time in Uruguay!!!

The damning <deleted> he spouted that is going to go against him is that he said Evra's teammates call it him?? Yeah of course they do... .........they call him "negrito" nooo!!..... because we are not in Uruguay.....so by that definition he is saying that Evra's team-mates at Old Trafford call him a Negro !!!

Bad move and not well advised at all.

Suarez has admitted his guilt and then dug himself a big whole with his stupid statements,he deserves all he gets.

[Abrak]

Since this little FA panal is finding it so hard to find the so called racist slur you would think that they might just realise that theres actually nothing in it! Then it will be another black mark against Patrice "race card" Evra.

Their time would have been better spent investigating that brutal forearm smash.

The FA has said the panel will work over the weekend (that's time and a half isnt it?) and that a decision will be made on Tuesday at the earliest. That is 6 days to decide on the issue. Still it is probably the highest paying gig the Chairman of Hammersham and Basingstoke FA has had. Sandwiches anyone?

Then I assume we have a lengthy appeal process followed by starting the whole jamboree again with Terry. Anyway I am sure it is a massive step in improving race relations within football.

I love the way the panel is taking a long time because of the 'complexities of the issue'. By that I mean they are apparently 'unsure' 'about what was said' 'whether what was said is racial abuse' 'whether Suarez meant to racially abuse Evra if it was' 'whether the fact that even though it is racial abuse as he may not have meant it, it isnt''whether if it isnt deemed racial abuse, then that makes the FA, racist''whether if he is guilty, he should be punished harder for saying he is innocent, because he believes he is innocent.'

I just hope they dont think far too much until their heads explode.

Edited December 17, 2011 by Abrak

[Devil]

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Since this little FA panal is finding it so hard to find the so called racist slur you would think that they might just realise that theres actually nothing in it! Then it will be another black mark against Patrice "race card" Evra.

Their time would have been better spent investigating that brutal forearm smash.

If Evra is found to be using the race card in this way he wants banning for life,but from what i see there was no charge from the FA about this,i actually think they could only charge him with bringing the game into disrepute but that would be very difficult under these circumstances,it all boils down to Suarez has admitted calling him a "negrito" which he says they use all the time in Uruguay!!!

The damning <deleted> he spouted that is going to go against him is that he said Evra's teammates call it him?? Yeah of course they do... .........they call him "negrito" nooo!!..... because we are not in Uruguay.....so by that definition he is saying that Evra's team-mates at Old Trafford call him a Negro !!!

Bad move and not well advised at all.

Suarez has admitted his guilt and then dug himself a big whole with his stupid statements,he deserves all he gets.

Interesting given Hernadez i.e South America.... Seems to use that term !

Spanish

"Chicharito" Hernández, destaca el gol anotado ayer por otro joven como Omar Esparza, en la victoria ante Tigres: " Me gustó mucho el gol del Negrito (Omar Esparza), creo que es una muestra de que los jóvenes de Chivas, estamos listos para responder en juegos importantes como los de Liguilla. Por mi parte seguiré trabajando con humildad para ganarme una oportunidad.

English

"Chicharito" Hernandez yesterday highlights the goal scored by another young man as Omar Esparza, in a win over Tigers: "I liked the goal of the Negrito (Omar Esparza), I think it's a sign that Chivas youth, we are ready to respond in big games such as playoffs. For my part I will continue working with humility to earn a chance.

[carmine]

Since this little FA panal is finding it so hard to find the so called racist slur you would think that they might just realise that theres actually nothing in it! Then it will be another black mark against Patrice "race card" Evra.

Their time would have been better spent investigating that brutal forearm smash.

The FA has said the panel will work over the weekend (that's time and a half isnt it?) and that a decision will be made on Tuesday at the earliest. That is 6 days to decide on the issue. Still it is probably the highest paying gig the Chairman of Hammersham and Basingstoke FA has had. Sandwiches anyone?

Then I assume we have a lengthy appeal process followed by starting the whole jamboree again with Terry. Anyway I am sure it is a massive step in improving race relations within football.

Well as i said before the Terry one really is a genuine one. However the police have referred it to the CPS haven't they? So wouldn't that take it out of the FA's hands?

Anyway back to sweet little Luis. I think it would be ludicrous to charge him and if they haven't seen anything yet to charge him what are they going to see over the weekend?

So if they find nothing, i say Evra should be charged over making (again) false allegations.

I'm still too upset and disappointed to discuss the assault on Scott Parker

[bkkjames]

Abby, what stats can you roll out for us to chew on regarding his chances?

And stevie (aka, the paranoid one), yes SAF is a long time big supporter of the FA, he sends them all xmas cards every year with "ban that diver gerrard" written inside.

Yes, the FA and SAF go back a long ways and love each other like family..

What will you if suarez gets just a warning? SAF that dirty......ppfff.

[MrRed]

Since this little FA panal is finding it so hard to find the so called racist slur you would think that they might just realise that theres actually nothing in it! Then it will be another black mark against Patrice "race card" Evra.

Their time would have been better spent investigating that brutal forearm smash.

If Evra is found to be using the race card in this way he wants banning for life,but from what i see there was no charge from the FA about this,i actually think they could only charge him with bringing the game into disrepute but that would be very difficult under these circumstances,it all boils down to Suarez has admitted calling him a "negrito" which he says they use all the time in Uruguay!!!

The damning <deleted> he spouted that is going to go against him is that he said Evra's teammates call it him?? Yeah of course they do... .........they call him "negrito" nooo!!..... because we are not in Uruguay.....so by that definition he is saying that Evra's team-mates at Old Trafford call him a Negro !!!

Bad move and not well advised at all.

Suarez has admitted his guilt and then dug himself a big whole with his stupid statements,he deserves all he gets.

Interesting given Hernadez i.e South America.... Seems to use that term !

Spanish

"Chicharito" Hernández, destaca el gol anotado ayer por otro joven como Omar Esparza, en la victoria ante Tigres: " Me gustó mucho el gol del Negrito (Omar Esparza), creo que es una muestra de que los jóvenes de Chivas, estamos listos para responder en juegos importantes como los de Liguilla. Por mi parte seguiré trabajando con humildad para ganarme una oportunidad.

English

"Chicharito" Hernandez yesterday highlights the goal scored by another young man as Omar Esparza, in a win over Tigers: "I liked the goal of the Negrito (Omar Esparza), I think it's a sign that Chivas youth, we are ready to respond in big games such as playoffs. For my part I will continue working with humility to earn a chance.

So are you saying it is ok for S Americans to use the word "Negrito" in the English Premier League? that interview was from his own country,we all have heard Suarez's account of this and really it is <deleted>.Some laws don't translate well in other countries as we all know living here.

Futile argument by him and it is not doing him any good guilty or not guilty,i don't think Hernandez goes round the traning ground calling Evra a "Negrito" do you?

Dev think about it what you are saying or Suarez is saying.....is that it is OK for a English player to go to Uraguay and call a black player a N*****............ it is not the done thing is it?

[Devil]

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Since this little FA panal is finding it so hard to find the so called racist slur you would think that they might just realise that theres actually nothing in it! Then it will be another black mark against Patrice "race card" Evra.

Their time would have been better spent investigating that brutal forearm smash.

If Evra is found to be using the race card in this way he wants banning for life,but from what i see there was no charge from the FA about this,i actually think they could only charge him with bringing the game into disrepute but that would be very difficult under these circumstances,it all boils down to Suarez has admitted calling him a "negrito" which he says they use all the time in Uruguay!!!

The damning <deleted> he spouted that is going to go against him is that he said Evra's teammates call it him?? Yeah of course they do... .........they call him "negrito" nooo!!..... because we are not in Uruguay.....so by that definition he is saying that Evra's team-mates at Old Trafford call him a Negro !!!

Bad move and not well advised at all.

Suarez has admitted his guilt and then dug himself a big whole with his stupid statements,he deserves all he gets.

Interesting given Hernadez i.e South America.... Seems to use that term !

Spanish

"Chicharito" Hernández, destaca el gol anotado ayer por otro joven como Omar Esparza, en la victoria ante Tigres: " Me gustó mucho el gol del Negrito (Omar Esparza), creo que es una muestra de que los jóvenes de Chivas, estamos listos para responder en juegos importantes como los de Liguilla. Por mi parte seguiré trabajando con humildad para ganarme una oportunidad.

English

"Chicharito" Hernandez yesterday highlights the goal scored by another young man as Omar Esparza, in a win over Tigers: "I liked the goal of the Negrito (Omar Esparza), I think it's a sign that Chivas youth, we are ready to respond in big games such as playoffs. For my part I will continue working with humility to earn a chance.

So are you saying it is ok for S Americans to use the word "Negrito" in the English Premier League? that interview was from his own country,we all have heard Suarez's account of this and really it is <deleted>.Some laws don't translate well in other countries as we all know living here.

Futile argument by him and it is not doing him any good guilty or not guilty,i don't think Hernandez goes round the traning ground calling Evra a "Negrito" do you?

Dev think about it what you are saying or Suarez is saying.....is that it is OK for a English player to go to Uraguay and call a black player a N*****............ it is not the done thing is it?

<deleted> you do talk some pile...along with your statement that I noticed was not picked up by anyone by callin me a Scouse cun_t!

The point being that that term Negrito from someone who is South American I.e from a complete different culture used the term Negrito as being Complimentary. That is the point, not what you think it means or what I think it means or if or would I say it - that's irrelevant.

[MrRed]

So are you saying it is ok for S Americans to use the word "Negrito" in the English Premier League? that interview was from his own country,we all have heard Suarez's account of this and really it is <deleted>.Some laws don't translate well in other countries as we all know living here.

Futile argument by him and it is not doing him any good guilty or not guilty,i don't think Hernandez goes round the traning ground calling Evra a "Negrito" do you?

Dev think about it what you are saying or Suarez is saying.....is that it is OK for a English player to go to Uraguay and call a black player a N*****............ it is not the done thing is it?

<deleted> you do talk some pile...along with your statement that I noticed was not picked up by anyone by callin me a Scouse cun_t!

The point being that that term Negrito from someone who is South American I.e from a complete different culture used the term Negrito as being Complimentary. That is the point, not what you think it means or what I think it means or if or would I say it - that's irrelevant.

AW....Didums sorry if i hurt your feelings....you obviously have not been on the East Lancs road after a game have you....its called banter and rivalry and it is passion between real fans.

Oh and i was pissed

So Suarez called Evra a "Negrito" ten times in a Dippers United game and you think he was doing it complimentary? not on your nelly,the only one talking <deleted> is you mate! <deleted>! oh and do you know any songs about Gary Neville?

Edited December 17, 2011 by MrRed

[Devil]

Red -..its called banter and rivalry and it is passion between real fans.Oh and i was pissed

Fair enough maybe Suarez can use that excuse should be fine then....

[MrRed]

Red -..its called banter and rivalry and it is passion between real fans.Oh and i was pissed

Fair enough maybe Suarez can use that excuse should be fine then....

I think his only defense was the way the road he has gone down that's why he has been charged with it,he has admitted he used the word "Negrito"

I don't think that the FA panel can not find him guilty because he was in England where we speak English and not Uruguay,they are using this now as softener so that the judgement panel can just slap his wrist's and say lets get on with it,he will be lucky to get a 4 game ban and hefty fine on grounds of misunderstanding

Have you noticed the same route is being taken by JT "it was a misunderstanding" he never meant it to sound like it did! where is Sharecropper when you need him .......i am sure he would understand the point i am making

[carmine]

Am i alone in thinking this whole saga is sounding more ridiculous as each day passes?

Evra should be told to get over himself, acknowledge he was pissed off that game because he was having rings run around him and to stop being such a big girls blouse. Little Evra's shouldn't cry wolf.

The focus should be on the real case of the obvious abuse dished out by Captain Fantastic, that pillar of society deemed worthy by the FA of being reappointed to the England captaincy.

Edited December 17, 2011 by carmine

[smokie36]

Am i alone in thinking this whole saga is sounding more ridiculous as each day passes?

Evra should be told to get over himself, acknowledge he was pissed off that game because he was having rings run around him and to stop being such a big girls blouse. Little Evra's shouldn't cry wolf.

The focus should be on the real case of the obvious abuse dished out by Captain Fantastic, that pillar of society deemed worthy by the FA of being reappointed to the England captaincy.

Why is it taking so long? I mean if they have to interview the players well that'll take about a minute each before their vocabulary starts to struggle.

[Abrak]

My view is that a charge of racist abuse should be fairly clear cut - black or white - as you might say.

If a tribunal spends two days discussing the case after which they dont know, are not sure and cant reach a decision - and the case is extremely grey - they should perhaps realize that it is a debate that they shouldnt really be having in the first place.

I dont think Evra can be held responsible. One assumes he was clearly upset even if he misunderstood, misinterpreted or misheard what was said. It is the FA that chose to spend 1 month investigating the issue, another month while everyone puddled about cramming up on cultural nuances, foreign language interpretation, body language and video playbacks and then a six day tribunal. It seems it hasnt been good for either players reputation pretty much whatever the verdict and the FA is making a fool out of itself.

[alfieconn]

My view is that a charge of racist abuse should be fairly clear cut - black or white - as you might say.

If a tribunal spends two days discussing the case after which they dont know, are not sure and cant reach a decision - and the case is extremely grey - they should perhaps realize that it is a debate that they shouldnt really be having in the first place.

I dont think Evra can be held responsible. One assumes he was clearly upset even if he misunderstood, misinterpreted or misheard what was said. It is the FA that chose to spend 1 month investigating the issue, another month while everyone puddled about cramming up on cultural nuances, foreign language interpretation, body language and video playbacks and then a six day tribunal. It seems it hasnt been good for either players reputation pretty much whatever the verdict and the FA is making a fool out of itself.

How boring is all this Suarez calls him a negro, nigger, nig nog, whatever Evra calls him back a greaseball, spic, dago, thats it finished, never to be mentioned again, Alf Garnett must be turning in his grave

[StevieH]

team for villa away: reina, johnson, skrtel, agger, enrique; adam, henderson, shelvey; downing, suarez, bellamy.

go ed jonjo lad.

[Devil]

Liverpool FC statement

20th Dec 2011 - Latest News

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/liverpool-fc-statement-8

Liverpool Football Club is very surprised and disappointed with the decision of the Football Association Commission to find Luis Suarez guilty of the charges against him.

We look forward to the publication of the Commission's Judgment. We will study the detailed reasons of the Commission once they become available, but reserve our right to appeal or take any other course of action we feel appropriate with regards to this situation.

We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play - including Evra's own Manchester United teammates and all the match officials - heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken.

The Club takes extremely seriously the fight against all forms of discrimination and has a long and successful track record in work relating to anti-racist activity and social inclusion. We remain committed to this ideal and equality for all, irrespective of a person's background.

LFC considers racism in any form to be unacceptable - without compromise. It is our strong held belief, having gone over the facts of the case, that Luis Suarez did not commit any racist act. It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations.

It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'. The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist.

Luis himself is of a mixed race family background as his grandfather was black. He has been personally involved since the 2010 World Cup in a charitable project which uses sport to encourage solidarity amongst people of different backgrounds with the central theme that the colour of a person's skin does not matter; they can all play together as a team.

He has played with black players and mixed with their families whilst with the Uruguay national side and was Captain at Ajax Amsterdam of a team with a proud multi-cultural profile, many of whom became good friends.

It seems incredible to us that a player of mixed heritage should be accused and found guilty in the way he has based on the evidence presented. We do not recognise the way in which Luis Suarez has been characterised.

It appears to us that the FA were determined to bring charges against Luis Suarez, even before interviewing him at the beginning of November. Nothing we have heard in the course of the hearing has changed our view that Luis Suarez is innocent of the charges brought against him and we will provide Luis with whatever support he now needs to clear his name.

We would also like to know when the FA intend to charge Patrice Evra with making abusive remarks to an opponent after he admitted himself in his evidence to insulting Luis Suarez in Spanish in the most objectionable of terms. Luis, to his credit, actually told the FA he had not heard the insult.

[spongeman]

This is totally disgusting what has happened to Luis.

I wish to congratulate the FA for reaching a sucessful conclusion with no evidence , and I hope that they continue to be rodgered up the rear end by Fifa for many years to come.

Sick sick sick

[bkkjames]

It might come as a suprise to you guys but I don't think you'll find many (any) united supporters feeling good about this decision or the issue for that matter.

8 games seems quite high but I don't honestly know what should have been the penalty either.

Terry next? Na, can't have the england captain painted with the same brush.

[smokie36]

What a seemingly odd decision. The length of the ban is not what surprises me, if guilty then its right the FA take strong action. There just seems the flimsiest of evidence.

An appeal then perhaps a courtroom battle?