Same Sex Bill: Homosexuality Test!

[Jingthing]

I care about the majority of gay people who don't have children and have no desire to have children. To return to my original thesis, half a loaf in this case is infinitely better than no loaf at all.

If it is not a poison loaf.

[SaintLouisBlues]

If it poisons only lesbians my Care Factor is zero.

[LeCharivari]

Public debates over homosexuality are so funny because in the end all what we are debating about is two men banging each other's rectums

The "debate" and this thread are about gay marriage - no more to do with "two men banging each others rectums" or homosexuality per se than marriage in general has to do with heterosexuality per se or a man banging a woman's rectum (which apparently around 35% of heterosexual men and women indulge in).

Feel free to start another thread on that aspect if it fascinates you, but don't expect most posting here to bite

[Jingthing]

If it poisons only lesbians my Care Factor is zero.

Personally, I like that sexual minorities often stick together in their COMMON political struggles for civil rights ... internationally.

Also of course some gay men have children as well. There is adoption of course and then some have children from previous heterosexual adventures.

I'm OK with your honesty. I respect that anyway. Better than putting on an act.

Edited May 2, 2013 by Jingthing

[LeCharivari]

Back on topic!

Even IF the article is true it is still a step forward, albeit a small one, as it still indicates progress and would be a start in much the same way that the majority of other countries who now have full civil partnership/gay marriage started.

.... and even IF the "homosexuality test" is part of the process I can't help finding it amusing rather than seriously annoying as there can't be much greater "proof" of being gay than being married/partnered to another man! We probably all know gay men who have got married and had children to "prove" they were straight, for various reasons, but I just can't see why anyone would want to do the reverse.

On the other hand it does touch on the one reason why I would ultimately prefer a gay marriage to my Civil Partnership, and that is privacy rather than "equality". I don't care who knows if I'm gay or not - I'm neither proud nor ashamed of it as its just the way I was born - but I don't see why I should be obliged to tell people I don't know my sexual preference or register it both at home and abroad every time I have to tick my "marital status" on a form.

Edited May 2, 2013 by LeCharivari

[Jingthing]

Let's wait for the actual DETAILS, that is, if we ever actually get to see the actual details.

If I was betting money, I would bet at this point in time there will be NO BILL on this issue that passes.

[tombkk]

An anti-gay remark and some replies have been hidden from view.

[onthemoon]

If the 'homosexuality test' is anything like the driving test, there's nothing to worry about. You may not even have to turn up.

When I got married I had to provide evidence that we were living together as a couple. Perhaps this is all that's really required.. photographs of the two of you, demonstrably of the same sex and living together. I see no need for some of the scaremongering that's going on.

The other issues about rights and being told to be grateful and stop being greedy are certainly cause for concern. Of course the same people if born into countries such as Afghanistan or Iran would have a harder time of it, but one should not aim to be "just" better than other countries, one should aim for justice and equality.

-- edit -- I just realised that being asked to prove that a same sex couple are living together in the same way that my wife and I did ought to be enough. This issue of granting same sex couples the same rights, but under specific legislation that specifies that they are a same sex couple, is not yet equality. True equality would be when they simply have to prove that they live together and can get married, with no mention or regard to either of their sex.

Thai friends of mine wanted to avoid army conscription on the bases of being gay. (I'm not sure, but I think that by law you actually have to be katoey to be exempted.) They were asked to present proof in the form of pictures! The pictures also has to show that they were "buttom".

How undignified is that, I ask you.

[onthemoon]

Far too much speculation and far too little knowledge. I purposely limited this thread to the so-called homosexuality test because this did seem to be a topic we could usefully comment on.

Quite apart from the fact that there is no obligation in a civil union or indeed in a non-religious marriage to have sexual relations with the partner, and therefore the partners do not have to be gay or lesbian, can anybody suggest how homosexuality could be 'tested'? I cannot think of a way which is even possibly acceptable in a country which considers itself relatively civilised (I am not being judgmental here, just trying to distinguish Thailand from, for example, Uganda or Iran under the present regime).

I think there is some law in some countries or religions that a marriage can be annulled if it has not been 'consumed', i.e. the partners didn't have sex after marriage.

I am not an expert on marriage though; all I am interested in is same rights, and this will be (in some countries) or has been (in others) accomplished for gay couples.

[Jingthing]

If the 'homosexuality test' is anything like the driving test, there's nothing to worry about. You may not even have to turn up.

When I got married I had to provide evidence that we were living together as a couple. Perhaps this is all that's really required.. photographs of the two of you, demonstrably of the same sex and living together. I see no need for some of the scaremongering that's going on.

The other issues about rights and being told to be grateful and stop being greedy are certainly cause for concern. Of course the same people if born into countries such as Afghanistan or Iran would have a harder time of it, but one should not aim to be "just" better than other countries, one should aim for justice and equality.

-- edit -- I just realised that being asked to prove that a same sex couple are living together in the same way that my wife and I did ought to be enough. This issue of granting same sex couples the same rights, but under specific legislation that specifies that they are a same sex couple, is not yet equality. True equality would be when they simply have to prove that they live together and can get married, with no mention or regard to either of their sex.

Thai friends of mine wanted to avoid army conscription on the bases of being gay. (I'm not sure, but I think that by law you actually have to be katoey to be exempted.) They were asked to present proof in the form of pictures! The pictures also has to show that they were "buttom".

How undignified is that, I ask you.

They didn't have the cash for the payoff?

[LeCharivari]

Thai friends of mine wanted to avoid army conscription on the bases of being gay. (I'm not sure, but I think that by law you actually have to be katoey to be exempted.) They were asked to present proof in the form of pictures! The pictures also has to show that they were "buttom".

How undignified is that, I ask you.

They were conned by someone after some free porn - but if it worked, good luck to them as there is no exemption from conscription in Thailand for "being gay"!

Its all covered in other threads, but basically now any exemption depends on having had bits added on and bits removed.