Child U.k Passport Confusion

[justsignedin]

I have 2 children aged 6 and 11, I'm living in Thailand, I married my wife in 2007, she is the mother of both my children. After reading the regulations (section 3.1 on the home office site) on British Citizenship I'm a little confused as to wether My oldest child can qualify for a British Passport because we were not married at the time. Can anyone clarify this in simple terms. I already searched the forum but can't find anything so specific. Thanks for your time.

[nontabury]

I have 2 children aged 6 and 11, I'm living in Thailand, I married my wife in 2007, she is the mother of both my children. After reading the regulations (section 3.1 on the home office site) on British Citizenship I'm a little confused as to wether My oldest child can qualify for a British Passport because we were not married at the time. Can anyone clarify this in simple terms. I already searched the forum but can't find anything so specific. Thanks for your time.

No problem,if you have the Thai birth certificate with your name on, simple have it translated into English,take it to the B.E.

And Bob's your uncle.

Another way is to obtain a DNA for the child, go to the children's court, with the mothers consent,and have the child legally recognized as your,and then take the paperwork to the B.E.

[Waterloo]

I have 2 children aged 6 and 11, I'm living in Thailand, I married my wife in 2007, she is the mother of both my children. After reading the regulations (section 3.1 on the home office site) on British Citizenship I'm a little confused as to wether My oldest child can qualify for a British Passport because we were not married at the time. Can anyone clarify this in simple terms. I already searched the forum but can't find anything so specific. Thanks for your time.

No problem,if you have the Thai birth certificate with your name on, simple have it translated into English,take it to the B.E.

And Bob's your uncle.

Another way is to obtain a DNA for the child, go to the children's court, with the mothers consent,and have the child legally recognized as your,and then take the paperwork to the B.E.

Not necesscarily so depends on how the op obtained his citizenship, was he born in the UK or was it by descent, if he is a citizen by descent he can't automatically pass it on.

I am sure 7by7 will be along shortly to explain it in more detail.

[justsignedin]

I have 2 children aged 6 and 11, I'm living in Thailand, I married my wife in 2007, she is the mother of both my children. After reading the regulations (section 3.1 on the home office site) on British Citizenship I'm a little confused as to wether My oldest child can qualify for a British Passport because we were not married at the time. Can anyone clarify this in simple terms. I already searched the forum but can't find anything so specific. Thanks for your time.

No problem,if you have the Thai birth certificate with your name on, simple have it translated into English,take it to the B.E.

And Bob's your uncle.

Another way is to obtain a DNA for the child, go to the children's court, with the mothers consent,and have the child legally recognized as your,and then take the paperwork to the B.E.

Not necesscarily so depends on how the op obtained his citizenship, was he born in the UK or was it by descent, if he is a citizen by descent he can't automatically pass it on.

I am sure 7by7 will be along shortly to explain it in more detail.

Thanks for the swift respnses, that sounds quite straight forward, I'm British, born in Britain to 2 British parents. I should add that my name is also on the birth certificate and both my children have my surname.

Edited May 13, 2013 by justsignedin

[7by7]

No problem,if you have the Thai birth certificate with your name on, simple have it translated into English,take it to the B.E.

And Bob's your uncle.

Another way is to obtain a DNA for the child, go to the children's court, with the mothers consent,and have the child legally recognized as your,and then take the paperwork to the B.E.

Not that simple, I'm afraid!

Prior to 1st July 2006, British fathers could only pass on their British citizenship to children born outside the UK or a qualifying territory if they were married to the mother at the time of the birth.

So the 6 year old will be British if he was born on or after 1/7/06, but the 11 year old definitely isn't.

You can, though, register him, or them if necessary, as British.

Children born before 1 July 2006 whose father is a British citizen but not married to their mother - section 3(1) applications

How do I register a child aged under 18 as a British citizen?

Edited May 13, 2013 by 7by7

[justsignedin]

No problem,if you have the Thai birth certificate with your name on, simple have it translated into English,take it to the B.E.

And Bob's your uncle.

Another way is to obtain a DNA for the child, go to the children's court, with the mothers consent,and have the child legally recognized as your,and then take the paperwork to the B.E.

Not that simple, I'm afraid!

Prior to 1st July 2006, British fathers could only pass on their British citizenship to children born outside the UK or a qualifying territory if they were married to the mother at the time of the birth.

So the 6 year old will be British if he was born on or after 1/7/06, but the 11 year old definitely isn't.

You can, though, register him, or them if necessary, as British.

Children born before 1 July 2006 whose father is a British citizen but not married to their mother - section 3(1) applications

How do I register a child aged under 18 as a British citizen?

Thanks 7by7, had a look at the forms, think it would be easier to build a time machine, go back and get married.

[bobrussell]

The 'expectation' is that children born before 1/7/06 will be treated in the same way as one born after! This is not set down in law but unless there are particular circumstances it is very unlikely that registration will be refused!

From the UKBA website:

Since 1 July 2006 both parents are able to pass on their British citizenship to their children even if they are not married providing there is satisfactory evidence of paternity. We will normally register any child born before 1 July 2006 to a father who is a British citizen father under section 3(1) if the requirements below are met:

we are satisfied about the paternity of the child; and

we have the consent of all those with parental responsibility; and

we are satisfied that if the parents were married:

- the child would have an automatic claim to British citizenship; or

- the child would have an entitlement to registration under sections 1(3), 3(2) or sections 3(5) of the British Nationality Act 1981; or

- we would normally have registered the child under section 3(1); and

if the child is over 10 year of age, they are of good character.

Don't panic about the time machine! Both my nephews are British. The younger one automatically and the elder one by registration. It sounds as if the paperwork you have covers all the bases other than good character!

Edited May 13, 2013 by bobrussell

[justsignedin]

The 'expectation' is that children born before 1/7/06 will be treated in the same way as one born after! This is not set down in law but unless there are particular circumstances it is very unlikely that registration will be refused!

From the UKBA website:

Since 1 July 2006 both parents are able to pass on their British citizenship to their children even if they are not married providing there is satisfactory evidence of paternity. We will normally register any child born before 1 July 2006 to a father who is a British citizen father under section 3(1) if the requirements below are met:

we are satisfied about the paternity of the child; and

we have the consent of all those with parental responsibility; and

we are satisfied that if the parents were married:

- the child would have an automatic claim to British citizenship; or

- the child would have an entitlement to registration under sections 1(3), 3(2) or sections 3(5) of the British Nationality Act 1981; or

- we would normally have registered the child under section 3(1); and

if the child is over 10 year of age, they are of good character.

Don't panic about the time machine! Both my nephews are British. The younger one automatically and the elder one by registration. It sounds as if the paperwork you have covers all the bases other than good character!

Thanks bob, but is the registration as complexed as it looks, that's a whole lot of forms to fill.

[7by7]

To which I would add that it is better to do it now than later.

Once they are over 18 they will no longer be eligible for registration as a child and will have to qualify in their own right; which, in addition to other requirements, means living in the UK for at least 6 years first! (5 years if they marry a British citizen and move with them to the UK.)

[wprime]

No problem,if you have the Thai birth certificate with your name on, simple have it translated into English,take it to the B.E.

And Bob's your uncle.

Another way is to obtain a DNA for the child, go to the children's court, with the mothers consent,and have the child legally recognized as your,and then take the paperwork to the B.E.

Not that simple, I'm afraid!

Prior to 1st July 2006, British fathers could only pass on their British citizenship to children born outside the UK or a qualifying territory if they were married to the mother at the time of the birth.

So the 6 year old will be British if he was born on or after 1/7/06, but the 11 year old definitely isn't.

You can, though, register him, or them if necessary, as British.

Children born before 1 July 2006 whose father is a British citizen but not married to their mother - section 3(1) applications

How do I register a child aged under 18 as a British citizen?

Thanks 7by7, had a look at the forms, think it would be easier to build a time machine, go back and get married.

Which could be done for a few thousand baht at your local amphur office.

[justsignedin]

No problem,if you have the Thai birth certificate with your name on, simple have it translated into English,take it to the B.E.

And Bob's your uncle.

Another way is to obtain a DNA for the child, go to the children's court, with the mothers consent,and have the child legally recognized as your,and then take the paperwork to the B.E.

Not that simple, I'm afraid!

Prior to 1st July 2006, British fathers could only pass on their British citizenship to children born outside the UK or a qualifying territory if they were married to the mother at the time of the birth.

So the 6 year old will be British if he was born on or after 1/7/06, but the 11 year old definitely isn't.

You can, though, register him, or them if necessary, as British.

Children born before 1 July 2006 whose father is a British citizen but not married to their mother - section 3(1) applications

How do I register a child aged under 18 as a British citizen?

Thanks 7by7, had a look at the forms, think it would be easier to build a time machine, go back and get married.

Which could be done for a few thousand baht at your local amphur office.

That's good to know, thanks very much for that, what about witnesses and such as it mentions on the forms ?.

[justsignedin]

Believe me Guys, I'm grateful for your help, for 11 years, like a fool I've been thinking this would never be a problem, I'm going home for my brothers wedding next year, and consequently thought that now would be the perfect time to Passports for my boys, now I've started looking into the matter I realize this is potentially very frustrating.

[7by7]

Remember that if you don't do it, they'll need visas to enter the UK.

[justsignedin]

Remember that if you don't do it, they'll need visas to enter the UK.

Thanks 7by7, going to do it for sure, may as well get it out the way, going to need a visa for my wife anyway, that was a bit of a runaround last time. If I do this at the local Amphur do I use the same forms as you highlighted for me ??.

[nontabury]

The 'expectation' is that children born before 1/7/06 will be treated in the same way as one born after! This is not set down in law but unless there are particular circumstances it is very unlikely that registration will be refused!

From the UKBA website:

Since 1 July 2006 both parents are able to pass on their British citizenship to their children even if they are not married providing there is satisfactory evidence of paternity. We will normally register any child born before 1 July 2006 to a father who is a British citizen father under section 3(1) if the requirements below are met:

we are satisfied about the paternity of the child; and

we have the consent of all those with parental responsibility; and

we are satisfied that if the parents were married:

- the child would have an automatic claim to British citizenship; or

- the child would have an entitlement to registration under sections 1(3), 3(2) or sections 3(5) of the British Nationality Act 1981; or

- we would normally have registered the child under section 3(1); and

if the child is over 10 year of age, they are of good character.

This is what i knew when i replied earlier, why do some people try to complicate everything?

[7by7]

Remember that if you don't do it, they'll need visas to enter the UK.

Thanks 7by7, going to do it for sure, may as well get it out the way, going to need a visa for my wife anyway, that was a bit of a runaround last time. If I do this at the local Amphur do I use the same forms as you highlighted for me ??.

You cannot register them as British at a Thai ampur; it's nothing to do with the Thai authorities!

You need to complete the form MN1 and follow the guidance from the UKBA linked to earlier.

Nontabury, it is, as said, a little bit more complicated than the advice you gave earlier! The eldest child is not currently British.

[justsignedin]

Remember that if you don't do it, they'll need visas to enter the UK.

Thanks 7by7, going to do it for sure, may as well get it out the way, going to need a visa for my wife anyway, that was a bit of a runaround last time. If I do this at the local Amphur do I use the same forms as you highlighted for me ??.

You cannot register them as British at a Thai ampur; it's nothing to do with the Thai authorities!

You need to complete the form MN1 and follow the guidance from the UKBA linked to earlier.

Nontabury, it is, as said, a little bit more complicated than the advice you gave earlier! The eldest child is not currently British.

Thanks again for the help 7by7, I can focus on what needs to be done now, just going to have to get my head around those forms.

[checkoutcomplete]

Jut make sure you have your full length birth certificate.

Edited May 14, 2013 by checkoutcomplete